How I Would Have Made "Star Wars: The Clone Wars"

Come travel back in time with me to 2008, where I'll put on Dave Filoni's shoes (or hat rather) and explain how I would have made the smash hit TV-show, "Star Wars: The Clone Wars". I go through what I liked about the series, disliked about the series and how I would avoid some of the mistakes the creators made and touch up on missed opportunities that would have made this show 10x better than it was in my not-so-humble opinion.
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[@gamerofcomics492]

Here would've been a good idea: Make Ahsoka Plo Koon's Padawan and have her and Anakin go on missions together as friends instead of master and student, that would've made more sense especially since it's been established that Plo is one of Ahsoka's closest friends/mentors

[@Sabastian2000]

Wow! That would have been interesting.

[@FMK03]

That would've also shown why Anakin's friendship with Ahsoka is special, as in the EU, Anakin had no friends in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant.

[@SardonicJosh]

Wow, this makes more sense

[@DIEGhostfish]

That would have also worked but if Anakin having an apprentice was George's idea I'd still start TCW later into the war.

[@MrPikaGammer]

Holy shit that's a good one.

[@MRDLT00]

34:05 GOD not only was Grevious better in the Original Clone Wars show, but so was Dooku. He came off so much more in control when he was on screen...not getting captured by OC pirates or joke slammed by Sidious for no reason. 😑

[@nathanjora7627]

Me : Honestly I don’t really care about a reimagining of TCW. The Mandalore : TCW with SWTOR’s cinematics style of animation Me : SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY !

[@Goodsoldiersfolleworders99]

You should care about clone wars coming back, because every fan cares

[@nathanjora7627]

@@Goodsoldiersfolleworders99 Then I’m not a fan I guess XD

[@matane2465]

I view Filoni's clone wars as being something like the Real Ghostbusters. It's a fun enough show but shouldn't be considered canon to the EU or the movies as it doesn't really fit with either. It's basically it's own thing.

[@trevturp6891]

How come it doesn’t fit with the movies?

[@thatonenerdwhoreadsbyhimse5429]

​​@@trevturp6891The inhibitors for one, it's clearly explained that the vast majority of clones are genetically manipulated to follow orders without questions, inhibitor chips make this redundant(Mind you there's no material prior to TCW that even remotely mentions them ). Ashoka is clearly an afterthought. Dooku and Anakin's constant fights take away the weight of their final duel, same goes for Grievous and Obi-Wan. Another thing, it's quite clear that Obi-Wan's fight with Grievous is their first confrontation with each other.

[@MoodKapProductions]

​@@thatonenerdwhoreadsbyhimse5429that and the Jedi found out that Dooku was Tyranus. Them not knowing that was the reason they used this mysterious army with an unknown origin

[@chheinrich8486]

That’s how i see it, we have the EU and films together, and then their is the 2008 show with whatever actual good material Disney made, as a transformers fan i have no problem with 2 Star Wars continuities, transformers has like 2 dozens😂

[@garyconstanza3120]

I do wonder why TCW didn’t have episodes that showed Anakin’s promotion to jedi knight or the first encounter with Ventress, or the first appearance of Grievous, or even the introduction of the clone commanders. They don’t even have to be the first episodes, frame them in the context of a flashback or a story that Ahsoka was curious on and was told by either anakin or another jedi. With TCW’s approach of episodes being released out of chronological order, they could’ve been placed in any season and even forego the flashback approach, instead serving as self-contained episodes. It’s strange that key moments like these haven’t been explored anywhere in the disney canon, but shown very clearly in the EU canon.

[@Tracer_Krieg]

I think it was because early on the show was supposed to tie in with the old material, especially the Micro Series. After all, Rex and Cody both mention the Battle of Jabiim.

[@matane2465]

And it doesn't show C3PO getting his gold plates.

[@blue_wolfproductions12]

It's because Filoni was heavily influenced by the 2003 Clone Wars series. ANd made it semi-canon. He basically wants fans to experience both series since they tie into each other.

[@saberiandream316]

@@blue_wolfproductions12 TCW doesn't complement the Microseries, the EU, or the movies.

[@histguy101]

TCW wasn't made under Disney. Anakin wasn't shown being knighted because it was already shown in the original clone wars cartoon, and TCW was still following the continuity of everything else when the show began.

[@allowableman2]

The changes i would make while changing as little as possible about TCW: 1: Have Ahsoka just be Anakin's friend but someone else's padawan 2: Give Grievous more cool moments 3: Give Ventress's story to some other character 4: Don't make Barriss Offee into a villain, somebody else blew up the temple 5: Order 66 is a brainwashing trigger not a control chip

[@ariq4209]

the chip is brainwashing, when it was executed they truly believed that the Jedi were just as bad as the CIS.

[@allowableman2]

@@ariq4209 But having a chip makes it harder to turn against the order

[@ariq4209]

@@allowableman2 of course, because if not, Order 66 might fail. Palpatine is a genius and he would ensure his master plan worked.

[@lukescrew1981]

@@ariq4209 Wrong

[@S3rp3nte]

As @gamerofcomics492 said already Ahsoka be Plo Koon's padawan would had been perfect.

[@under_score3829]

Mace Windu: You're on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of master. Anakin: But you gave me my own padawa--- Mace Windu: TAKE A SEAT, young Skywalker.

[@obesebird]

Yea but she was never knighted

[@sippeon9047]

@@obesebird Anakin did a good job teaching Ahsoka though, the only reason why Ahsoka never became a knight was simply because she left before the otherwise inevitable promotion.

[@FMK03]

@@sippeon9047 Ahsoka only left because she couldn't have trusted Anakin enough to stop running away and as a result made herself more suspicious. Ahsoka never grew or developed, as proven by I'mYourAlibi and Carolus Magnus. It's all framing done by Filoni, just look at the countless war crimes Anakin and Obi-Wan committed.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@FMK03 What videos do you mean? She developed somewhat. And as for war crimes Perfidy seems to be the norm for good guys in the SW universe. Literally from ANH on with Leia using a diplomatic ship to transport stolen intel.

[@aarondoesyt3194]

She wasn't even thought about when ROTS was made, she was Filoni's after thought

[@Tracer_Krieg]

Here's something a little ironic I found in my research on TCW's early development. The original plan proposed by Filoni before Lucas personally included himself in the project was quite similar to your proposed plan: "Filoni's initial idea for the series revolved around a recurring cast of characters who traveled aboard a spaceship similar to the Millennium Falcon; the ship's crew would have included a smuggler, his girlfriend, a gungan named "Lunker," a Jedi padawan named "Ashla" and her Jedi Master. This early concept for The Clone Wars was designed not to interfere with existing continuity, and as such would have included only occasional appearances from film characters such as Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker. However, once Lucas became involved, he decided that the show would focus on the film characters, but would also include some of Filoni's ideas, such as Ashla (whose name was ultimately changed to Ahsoka).[54]" I suspect then that this early show setup was then re-purposed into Rebels. What that speaks of the possible quality of the show then is a little hard to say.

[@75JUNAKI]

J Sailer As much as I like the TCW we got I dig the original idea wayyy more imo

[@bionic-tale4313]

@Chosen One Well, at first, but Grevious lost so much in the show begs the question of why he's a general when he fails so much. Not mention, in revenge of the sith, Grievous states that he's been trained by his Jedi arts by Count Dooku, even though Obi-Wan duel him so many times, wouldn't obi-wan already figured out?

[@SpiritofFeanor]

@@bionic-tale4313 because Obi Wan has never fought or even see grevious until the captial ship in revenge of the Sith all of TCW is a hot mess and a continuity disaster

[@tymgames8307]

@@bionic-tale4313 just like all those duels with anakin and dooku

[@clonecommando-cn6bo]

@Chosen One it all went between dave filoni's dumb cowboy hat and never came out....he wants to make his own crap with someone else's ideas instead of making his own story...like Jar Jar abrams...cause they are frauds.....ahsoka tano is a waifu to everyone...thats half of his fame

[@germain5024]

Wow I never really got into the old EU and really had only seen The Clone Wars TV Show, but now I've lost some respect for TCW for just stomping all over the established Lore. I always questioned why Anakin was Knighted so quickly and on top of that he was given a Padawan it just made absolutely no sense at all even just from what we know in the movies. The only thing I absolutely liked about TCW was the Clones and their personalities and how they felt like real people forced fighting in a war they didn't really understand nor care about. I appreciate you making these videos and for making me now want to explore the old EU, although there's a lot of it and i'm not sure where to start.

[@histguy101]

He was knighted quickly in both Clone Wars shows. When a Jedi becomes a knight, they're allowed to take a Padawan. He was knighted because he had already gone through the trials, such as his experience on Geonosis, and the Jedi were desperate for Jedi Knights to lead troops in the war. They didn't have enough people.

[@ItPreach]

That wasn’t the case when it first came out though.

[@bionic-tale4313]

@Mackenzie Bauroth But in the EU Clone wars project, Anakin didn't become a knight until early 19 BBY. Since he was a padwan for most of the war. Also Captain fordo already brought this up in his other videos.

[@bionic-tale4313]

@Mackenzie Bauroth But the dark horse comics showed the dark and depression feeling of the clone wars a lot better than the early seasons of the show. Showing that the republic is at the low ground position in the early years of the war. Because the separatists already have a fully functioning military while the republic were barely aware of the clones existence until episode 2. Also at this point the venator class star destroyer(not cruiser, I still don't know why they're called that even though they are a carrier/destroyer hybrid) only having assault ships and a few support small ships in the early years of the war.

[@bionic-tale4313]

@Mackenzie Bauroth I know you're trying to connect the two, but to me it seems like you're kind of making up excuses to solve Anakin's early knighting. He was rebellious teen/early adult in episode 2. The council wouldn't knight him after he constantly disobeyed their orders time and time again. Not to mention Yoda sensing him slaughting the tusken raiders on Tatooine in anger for killing his mother. Why would they instantly promote him after failing to stop Dooku from escaping? Why would they give him a padwan even though Anakin wouldn't be a perfect choice given his state of mind at the time. I mean Anakin was a padwan at the time, but the war has taken a toll after witnessing many tragic events like seeing padwan sacrificing themselves in a losing battle, and force to make hard decisions which some are influenced by palpatine. He didn't become a knight until proving himself after two years of battling for the republic. Even then, the Jedi didn't trust him due to his emotional problems, and would in no logical way give him a padwan, because of how his problems could influence the young one. Quinlin Voss although have problems, mostly kept his emotions under control until he was spying for Dooku.

[@xd666xd]

I liked Ahsoka Tano, aka Snips since the beginning of TCW 2008, but I will always prefer Clone Wars 2003 over TCW 2008, especially considering the so- forced return of Darth Maul, when it is a fact that Maul was literally cut in half by Obi-Wan Kenobi.

[@morswestford2398]

Dave Filoni was/is the Creative Director of both, TCW 2008 and REBELS, not George Lucas. 🤷‍♂️

[@user-ml8pp3qn2n]

If practically the 90% of all things shown on TCW was because of Filoni. George had little.. to.. nothing to do with it. Whether if it's about the Darth Maul so nonsensical return or almost anything else.

[@thomaskelly597]

The only thing that is "fucking bullshit" in that thread, is the claim "He created ahsoka and made anakin a jedi knight."

[@thomaskelly597]

Even in pages like wiki anyone can easily verified that Ahsoka Tano was a character created by Dave Filoni and barely co-worked by George Lucas, in fact the only stuff that Lucas decided for Ahsoka were 2: 1-Lucas, who had two daughters, back then just wanted a new character to appeal to girls. 2-Early in development from Filoni, Ahsoka's name was "Ashla". Lucas renamed her after the ancient Indian emperor "Ashoka the Great", but the spelling was then later altered by screenwriter Henry Gilroy.

[@thetruth1025]

@@morswestford2398 [TRIGGERED FILONI FINBOI DETECTED]

[@Tracer_Krieg]

The problem with trying to do TOR animation is that was done using motion capture animation, which can shoot the price of the show through the roof. According to SWTOR's site, each trailer cost somewhere around six million dollars to make. TCW's animation already was close to a million per episode, and that was with Season 1.

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

So you're saying we should use the film's budget for more of those trailers.

[@Tracer_Krieg]

@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 Let me spell it out for you. 5 Minutes of TOR = 6 Million. 30 Minutes of TCW = 1 Million. 20 Episodes of TCW = 20 Million. 30 Minutes of TOR = 36 Million per episode. 20 Episodes of TOR = 720 Million. So, you're spending close to $1 Billion per season if you use nothing but motion capture animation. That is not sustainable.

[@nathanjora7627]

J Sailer Yes, hence we should’ve invested the sequel trilogy’s budget into the series. (Also, and more seriously, I agree that it wouldn’t have been possible to make it as good as SWTOR’s cinematics, but it would’ve definitely been possible to make it smoother, more detailed, and more realistic than what we had. Also motion capture isn’t the only option, after all there have been movies... Well, at least one movie, that didn’t use it in order to get realistic facial animation. And yeah, I do know what was that movie’s budget, I wasn’t saying it would’ve been sustainable ^^)

[@histguy101]

@@nathanjora7627 Even a million per episode wasn't sustainable. If the show had a normal budget for a daytime animated series on a cable channel, it would have been considered very profitable going by the strong viewership ratings it received, but because of the crazy budget, it was basically a passion project for Lucas, that he was willing to lose money on.

[@ewokshoterz]

Yeah that hope was painfully unrealistic

[@TheNuisanceBird]

Pretty much agree with everything here. Even as someone who grew up with the show looking back on it there are a lot of things I don't like about it and Filoni is nowhere near the Star Wars angel everyone makes him out to be. I'd say that Grievous should've been alluded to and and have his introduction in the series built up to.

[@Tracer_Krieg]

After reading quite a bit of the Republic series, I'm convinced Genndy should've just been given the go ahead to adapt the comics and dare I say some of the books into his animation style (perhaps one made to be a bit more realistic to more match up with the style of the comics) under a new show called Star Wars: Republic. This would've brought those stories into a much more accessible and digestible format; this being the reason why so many know about TCW but not the MMP.

[@MRDLT00]

What I would give to be in the alternative universe where that was reality. 🥲

[@histguy101]

How do you adapt books to his animation style? Do you mean the covers?

[@bigjawline9235]

@@histguy101 they animate the events of the book?

[@heltongomez8865]

I agree.. That would've been way better

[@delta2372]

​@JellyNightSquid69no chance in hell that's ever happening, disney and modern lucasfilms is hard at work with cultural marxism on burying the old material and propping up their new stuff, you try and look for any of the old stuff and it's mostly disney, only stuff that hasn't gotten that treatment it is more so slowly and surely is the post endor stuff from the EU

[@Upsedriss]

I dont agree with the art style being that of the cinematics from swtor. Not because I dont like them, love them in fact, but because it would be far too expensive to create an entire show looking that good. It wouldve worked fine if this was a fantasy what if video where the project had an unlimited budget and all that going on, but earlier in the video live action is deemed to be impossible. Dont get me wrong, I would LOVE a legends show that looks like those cinematics. I just personally don't think it would have been possible to create an entire show with how much money and work went into even just those trailers.

[@jam1531]

I would like to see TCW TV show art style like Republic Commando or The Force Unleashed. Then TCW movie art style could be like SWTOR CGI trailers.

[@GAdmThrawn]

I agree. I was brought to the same conclusion while having a similar discussion with someone online. That's why there's only a few of those trailers and their release dates was spaced out.

[@nathanjora7627]

Grand Moff Druan Vale /Dennis Could’ve been made smoother and more realistic looking though.

[@histguy101]

@@nathanjora7627 That's what Rebels did, and it looks awful compared to TCW. I art direction of the show is a big part of why it became so popular.

[@nathanjora7627]

Christus Regnet Having smoother animation and more realistic designs (which I don’t know rebel has, for the latter) doesn’t guarantee quality. Which I wasn’t even talking about, I was just talking about what was or wasn’t possible to do visually. I was just saying that the show « could’ve had » smoother animation and more realistic looking models, wether it would’ve been better with those... Well, I think it would’ve, I know I would’ve preferred it with smoother animation and designs that didn’t make me wanna vomit, but I don’t speak for everyone. And more importantly, it’s still irrelevant to what I was addressing (technical options the showrunners had).

[@ariesstorm9577]

I had no problem with Savage Opress, so having him as another Dark Acolyte in this series your building should fit in rather well, but please just don’t bring back Darth Maul. Darth Maul’s role is being filled by Savage Opress. Give him more in depth character development and have him as a competent foil to the main hero of the series (Ahsoka is a great character, but she should have been Plo Koon’s Padawan). Savage is one of Dooku’s top Acolytes and has an obvious rivalry with the likes of Asajj Ventress and Sora Bulq. As Dave Filoni admitted they make so many great characters that only live for a single episode. Admiral Trench should have been the tactical and military genius for the Separatist Navy while Grievous was superior in the sense of hand to hand combat.

[@Tracer_Krieg]

The series had the golden opportunity to make Savage the Kurgen of Star Wars. Hell, they're both played by the same guy, Clancy Brown! kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6fRopKNZc5meNU

[@GuardianAngel871]

Yeah, Savage Opress is sadly a severe case of wasted potential. Same in regards to Ahsoka's familial relationship with Plo Koon as well. Your ideas in how to make use of these characters are pretty good though I imagine Savage Opress would also go after Obi-Wan Kenobi for killing his brother Darth Maul akin to Boba Fett wanting revenge against Mace Windu for the death of his father, Jango.

[@larryfoulkeofficial8609]

Ashoka being plo koons padawan was something I've thought of aswell

[@jediknightjameslunagazer7632]

And maybe another idea for Savage I have is that during one mission some inexperienced padawans suddenly see Maul and for a time they and the audience think, "Wait Maul's alive!?! But that's impossible!! He was chopped in half!" But then it turns out Savage disguised himself as Maul as a way of using it as intimidation factor and as a way to spook Obi Wan by effectively being a ghost from the past, but in reality Savage could never hope to be what Maul was, and the arc would be Savage eventually or not realising that he can only be his own person not someone he cannot be.

[@theketaminefrog6366]

Yeah, I think it would be a great idea, as long as he would have no connections to Maul and Darhomir, and would be just another Iridonian zabrak

[@lukewarren9069]

Even as some who likes and (in a way) grew up with TCW, this concept of a Clone Wars successor is great. Awesome work dude.

[@Enigma-wn6et]

it also could also incude Rahm Kota's sevearly underrated padawan: Falon Grey. It could also show how the kaminoans got his DNA.

[@under_score3829]

14:30 I remember Yoda saying something about Anakin "needing to learn to let go" or something. Like, he was given Ahsoka as "attachment" practice, with the idea being that one day, he'd have to say goodbye to her eventually and that would help him not be so afraid of losing attachments? It's still weird that they would entrust him with a student of his own, especially since in Ep3, they made it clear that he was NOT a master.

[@ggt47]

I think they wrote in universe you are not a master until your apprentice graduates but yes,you are right. It does not really explain why.

[@firestriker3580]

@@ggt47 No

[@Gooooofey]

It’s not that he’s not a master. Qui gon wasn’t a master either, he was knight. Masters are the ones who sit on the council. The thing that IS the problem is after all the wrecklessness in aotc and after the autrocities AND him being incapable of controlling his emotions which is substantial for a Jedi he’s still promoted to the knight status. Let’s remember that the only reason he was given a seat on the council is not because he proved eligible, but because they needed a way to get close to palpatine because they didn’t trust him and they used anakin because of the bond he had with palpatine

[@under_score3829]

@@Gooooofey Yeah I think when I wrote this I might not have known that both Knights and Masters can have apprentices. But yeah, you're right.

[@a_fine_edition2746]

@Gooooofey this is just incorrect. The Jedi Council aren’t the only masters in the entire Jedi Ordet. That is utterly nonsensical and runs contrary to what we’ve seen. Qui-Gon is a Master, but just not on the Council. Being on the Council has never been a prerequisite for being a Master. If anything it’s the other way around.

[@theprophetessbabe8577]

There are a few good things about TCW but I prefer the EU clone wars stories.

[@BlyUehara37]

EU Clone Wars is more dark

[@matthewtuckman4447]

@@BlyUehara37 yes but it fits better

[@matthewtuckman4447]

@ true but thats not the point

[@egitimedebiyat8046]

@@matthewtuckman4447 wait... The clone wars fits to eu more than..eu? ._.

[@matthewtuckman4447]

@@egitimedebiyat8046 i meant the original 2003 clone wars fits better with the Old EU

[@sonofluke3172]

Ugh, imagining what could've been hurts.

[@delta2372]

Ik dude, so much wasted potential I imagine this is how the writing team thought "ok so we don't have to hire writer's at all we have all these books to choose from to make a TV show all we need is actors." "Filoni fuck the content I want to waste money and time hiring writer's and make a new story'

[@histguy101]

@@delta2372 Good grief. As much as this show is loved, they clearly made the right choices for the show.

[@delta2372]

@@histguy101 they made the right choice by retconing abunch of books and wasting the authors of those books time? they even fucked up the galaxy layout by making annaxes which canonically was next door to coruscant and now it's in the outer rim.

[@histguy101]

@@delta2372 A retcon(retroactive continuity) is something applied when two stories have a contradiction, and a third story, or sourcebook is introduced to reconcile the apparent contradiction, so that both stories are still completely true. The "contradictions" people complain about from the Clone Wars are mostly ridiculous complaints, and work out just fine. In fact, Lucasfilm was in the process of creating a new guidebook for The Clone Wars that included both shows, as well as novels and comics, so that they were all consistent and part of the same continuity. This project was abandoned with the canon wipe, which had nothing to do with the Clone Wars. As for Anaxes, it is in the core in both Legends and Canon, but for the sake of argument, the planet is featured in season 7 of the Clone Wars, and unlike seasons 1-6, season 7 is not part of Legends continuity. Here's what it says for Anaxes under the "canon" tab on Wookiepedia: Anaxes was a rocky planet located in the *_Azure sector of the galaxy's Core Worlds region._* A majority of its surface was covered with tall, red plant-like life. In the early years of the Imperial Era, the planet was destroyed in a cataclysm, with the remains becoming the Anaxes asteroid belt.

[@jacktheflash8478]

Delta 23 they didn’t move Anaxes

[@Nathan-tz5fr]

Even ignoring the EU continuity at the time, the Clone Wars just doesn't fit between the films very well. I don't buy that the Anakin we see in Revenge of the Sith had ever had a padawan. Originally, Filoni's Clone Wars was supposed to follow a Jedi padawan named Ashla (who would become Ahsoka) and her Jedi master, who was also an original character. I think this would have fit much better.

[@Goodsoldiersfolleworders99]

We are trying to forget the prequels, think of clone wars as the REAL prequels with real characters and not puppets of M Night Shyamalan, and shit George Lucas has nothing to do with it

[@leglesssnoke3742]

@@Goodsoldiersfolleworders99 Get the fuck out.

[@nathanjora7627]

Aiden Hutchison Except if clone wars it the real prequels, it still doesn’t fit in the previously established canon, and is functionally useless since TCW’s whole purpose was to connect epII and III. Finally... If you are trying to forget epI, II and III with TCW, you’re just advertising your horrid tastes. The prequels were good, sometime even great, and many of the best additions to the whole of SW canon were made by these three movies that have only the runtime of, what, one TCW season ?

[@Goodsoldiersfolleworders99]

@@nathanjora7627 wait didnt the father made Anakin forget about the whole Revenge of the Sith Vision ?

[@Goodsoldiersfolleworders99]

@@leglesssnoke3742 why should I, I'm just saying, the clone wars is the best thing to happen to star wars, why can we all agree that it's better then the prequels, that's a fact about that

[@Little-Oshawott-2010]

Regarding the thing about Anakin being knighted two months after the Battle of Geonosis, I was harrased in the comments section of one of Star Wars Explained's videos when he reviewed a Disney Canon comic about Anakin between Attack of the Clones and TCW.

[@Little-Oshawott-2010]

Shame on Marvel for not going into full detail of how Anakin got knighted early in that comic.

[@Randaches]

The comunity of SW Explained is cancerous af

[@noahfessenden6478]

I refuse to support that guy. He's no Star Wars fan, not truly. His audience reflects that.

[@75JUNAKI]

Noah Fessenden Who?

[@buildup3592]

Randaches how the fuck? It’s one of the most calm Star Wars communities on KZbin this group that harassed the guy is clearly a minority of it

[@theduxabides9274]

It would be interesting to see interactions between the various "types" of clones, ie the ARC Troopers, Clone Commanders and Commandoes, then the regular Kamino troopers, and finally the Spaarti clones that appeared later in the war, and see how their varying degrees of independence and different origins affected their cooperation in battle or on missions.

[@danielkong6767]

I would make it like tartakowsky anime style, so the budget doesnt go through the roof. Also, you can do more scale with classic animation: Lets compare the invasion of Muunulist in CW 2002 with any invasion sequence in TCW. In the Muunulist attack u have hundreds of ships while in TCW u have like what 20 at most? It doesnt make any sense that 20 ships would be enough to take an ENTIRE PLANET. With trad animation u can do a galactic war more believable with scale.

[@clonecommando-cn6bo]

one of Many reason why i Hate filoni's ahsoka tano warz.....nothing is realistic in HIS stories or sensible..just a dumb little boy making others look stupid to boost his waifu the clone wars was intense with combat....he can only think about playing it safe

[@danielkong6767]

@@clonecommando-cn6bo It really does feel very child friendly, like something from a disney channel series. Yeah people die, but that dosnt make ur show mature. All those episodes of "the weak can do it if they believe in themself" really dosnt fit this war and it also made the villains feel less of a threat. CW 2003 was for kids to but i think they took it more seriously imo!

[@clonecommando-cn6bo]

@@danielkong6767 gendy kicked off revenge of the sith the best way and the best way to end a TV show to promote the movie. dave filoni pisses me off with the child friendly crap...thats not what star wars is about....george lucas ment for litterally everyone to watch it....dave filoni acts like he is afraid of it and his mom has to comfort him....if he cant do it then hes not making the right stuff.........the show is for kids to learn about life...but he add these elements to the story that are stupid instead of make it stand out like how star wars does it

[@danielkong6767]

@@clonecommando-cn6bo Totally agree! And now people think hes gonna save star wars? Hes no better than kennedy imo

[@SwfanredLotr]

@@clonecommando-cn6bo Are you sure you can call TCW a completely childish show? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mImbmoFsicSAlaM

[@jaffarebellion292]

You know what would be cool? A "Band of Brothers" or "The Pacific" type of show following a single company of clones through the war and into the Dark Times, in the same vein as Battlefront 2's handling of the 501st.

[@mattmortar1325]

I love this concept. So much creativity and great ideas. I love Rahm Kota being in it. It just makes so much sense.

[@alessandrofabiano2819]

Dude a Dark Times tv series would have been amazing

[@noahfessenden6478]

Agreed. Rebels has potential, but not what I'd call a Dark Times series.

[@noahfessenden6478]

@@gamerinthehousepower1671 Why do you insist on such an extreme?

[@ricardowesker9416]

@@noahfessenden6478 It had so much potential that the Inquisitors' Lightsabers could even fly on it.... (Sorry, I couldn't help it)

[@rcbmmines4579]

30:13 OF COURSE! I should’ve thought of that before! Kota definitely needs to appear.

[@aapokorhonen9340]

Star Wars fans: TCW is the best Star Wars thing since Original Trilogy Knights of the old republic: hold my lightsaber

[@ironinquisitor3656]

Lol! Exactly.

[@BlyUehara37]

For me the Darth Plagueis novel is the best Star Wars story ever the second one is KOTOR 2

[@gamerinthehousepower1671]

@@BlyUehara37 so so so wrong

[@gamerinthehousepower1671]

@@darthrevan7710 so so so wrong

[@gamerinthehousepower1671]

@@darthrevan7710 don't like the video

[@obitwokenobi9808]

Hey, Captain Fordo. I wanna see you debate with Star Wars Only on the top that "The old EU was/wasn't canon." He is of the belief that it was never canon at all based on what Lucas said and he's a fan of TCW.

[@hexogramd8430]

Super Smash Revan that would be fun to see.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

StarWarsOnly is an idiot. He was debunked and disproven several times by people but he just plugged his ears and continued to hump the Starlog Magazine quote.

[@caleboch8181]

I agree with a lot of your ideas, that said, if you have to have Karen Travis I have one thing to say, Keep her away from writing Jedi Characters for the love of god, don't let her touch them! as for the idea of the show being done in the style of the TOR trailers... that would not be really feasable, because well it took 6 million dollars to make each of those trailers, if we're keeping the same limitations you would only have a budget of 1 million dollars, per episode

[@Tracer_Krieg]

I'd be fine with Karen in an advisory role only. However, under no circumstances allow her to write anything, especially when regarding Jedi. After all, this is the same woman who killed off the Jedi character Etain by having her dive between a random Clone Trooper and a Padawan's blade... during Order 66.

[@violentscorl697]

J Sailer I don’t see what is bad about killing her lead Jedi like this? Her universe is a gritty one, where the protagonists aren’t safe from harm. This is reinforced when the one we thought was going to have a wonderful future died without getting a taste at freedom and happiness. It was great writing

[@Tracer_Krieg]

@@violentscorl697 Because Etain and Darman (the Clone Commando who is trying to get her out of the temple, and whom she is married to) have a child. You're seriously telling me Etain would leave her child motherless to save some random clone she doesn't know, and who is trying to kill a Jedi Padawan? If it had been Darman she had saved from that Padawn's blade, then I'd understand but it wasn't. It was a random 501st Trooper. Gritty does not equal nonsensical. Unfortunately, Traviss often doesn't know the difference between the two, and stoops into Grimderp territory.

[@violentscorl697]

J Sailer uhm, dude- you realise that it was a heat of the moment-kind of reaction, right? It’s even said in the novel. Etain jumped inbetween them because she was so used to protecting troopers that she didn’t think twice about it. She acted on instinct. And in the worst possible moment she regained her senses and realised she couldn’t whip out her lightsaber to defend herself because that’d mark her for death as well. She didn’t want to die. But Etain was by this point a soldier in mind, drilled to protect, and those instincts don’t think about possible consequences.

[@Tracer_Krieg]

@@violentscorl697 I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. These Troopers are killing people she's known since childhood. In such a combat situation, I sincerely doubt that such instincts would kick in. Even if they did, what's to stop her from just I dunno Force Pushing the Trooper and Padawan away? Answer: Because Karen Traviss has always had a special hatred for the Jedi, and it's shown in her books. This stupendously stupid death was just the cherry.

[@luketurnbull9023]

Guess whos back Back again Fordo's back Tell a friend

[@modmaker7617]

Is Captain Fordo/Manda-LORE are credible source of Legends information? From your comment I believe the answer will be no.

[@luketurnbull9023]

@@modmaker7617 wait how so does my joke comment ruin his credibility as a source for legends info?

[@modmaker7617]

@@luketurnbull9023 "Guess whos back" That phase speaks itself. It implies that Manda-LORE or Captain Fordo is the bad guy in the situation but it is a joke so it doesn't matter.

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

@@modmaker7617 Dude, it's a reference to an eminem song, Without Me.

[@charlesgray6385]

Mod Maker The leap in logic is bizzare and unfounded buddy. As long as you understand how he sees the EU, and what headcanon he uses as a result he’s pretty darn reliable as far as I can tell.

[@Darksnovia]

Holy crap this is a Trilogy now? I'm going to sit and watch this for the next hour.

[@thegreyjedi2372]

Technically, it’s a tetralogy with the EU vid.

[@jacktheflash8478]

Have fun

[@redenginner]

Honestly this sounds like it would have expanded the star wars universe in a way that wasn't really touched on in TCW. Giving the clones a little more independence during the battle of Jabiim,hell putting Kota in a role similar to Pong Krell and having to be forced to command clones alongside his militia after all thats left is the padawan squad. He wouldn't defect or cause friendly fire incidents,but his attitude towards clones would cause casualties so astronomically high (frontal attacks against entrenched positions with no artillery,afterall he has to save that for his milita) a different ARC trooper (maybe Fordo?) would take a squad of disgruntled troopers and attempt to execute him before his second in command convinces the angry clone to stand down(A-17 would have gunned down a Jedi without hesitation if they where in the way,Fordo in the early war would likely be the same)and the work to evacuate the survivors. It would also make Kota's hatred a two way street,as rumors would spread to other clone units. Meanwhile a book set after the battle thats from Kota's perspective showing that he's been made a pariah to the rest of the republic military. His militia would find itself without orbital gunfire support,resupply would be sparse at the best of times which would set him up for having to acquire equipment outside of the normal GAR supply structure,setting his militia up for Force Unleashed.

[@ximthedespot4673]

One thing I didn't like about TCW was how the regular clones were treated like the Star Trek red shirts in certain situations. For example, the episodes that took place on Maridun all the clones died except for Bly and Rex. The R2 rescue arc was another, the only clones to survive was Rex and a clone with blue marking. If you were a regular clone in TCW, you were going to die. Edit: A cool addition to the writers board is the MedStar author J. Michael Reaves, who has had a long career as a screenwriter for such shows like the Batman the animated series, Batman Beyond, the first Transformers cartoon as well as the Droid and Ewoks cartoons. Only as an adviser though because in 2008 he was writing the Coruscant Nights trilogy.

[@naquris4241]

Personally, if I was going into an oversaturated area of the timeline and wanted to maintain continuity while still being fresh and new, I would tell a clone wars story from the perspective of the CIS. It would go into ordinary civilian life within the separatist controlled territory (similar to that one episode of TCW), as well as demonstrating battles with the Republic's forces. Perhaps it could focus on recruited soldiers fighting alongside the droids, with some of these soldiers feeling uncomfortable with their fully automated comrades (droids would be more ruthless and more reckless since they feel no emotion). It could still feature known battles during the clone wars (preferably the ones that featured living soldiers as well as droids), with various Jedi and clones acting as antagonists. Of course, there would be episodes from the perspective of characters like Dooku, Grievous and Ventress, though I feel new characters would be necessary. I like your idea of multiple main characters with their own stories, so perhaps one protagonist could be a CIS soldier who joined the militia of his or her home planet in order to fight off the Republic (maybe this character lived on a backwater planet that was suffering economically thanks to being forgotten). Another could be one of the Dark Acolytes, I'm thinking a former Padawan of a Jedi Knight, with said knight acting as a major antagonist of the series. Another character could be a general who is very fond of the droid army, preferring them over soldiers because they follow orders without question. Perhaps at one point he or she is placed in command over living soldiers, resulting in tension when they are ordered to do a suicidal attack that the droids would've done without question (similar to Pong Krell in TCW). I would call it "Star Wars: Heroes on Both Sides", as a reference to the opening crawl of Episode 3.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

That's a neat idea too.

[@FMK03]

What I dislike about the idea is that it still presents the Jedi in a negative light like TCW and Filoni's other "Star Wars" work.

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

I literally just had this idea today, and even thought of the same name, it's crazy. I think a very good way to start the series is to begin at the Battle of Jabiim, it sets the stage for a much darker show and shows the CIS in a more nuanced light. Then we can follow a group of organic(for lack of a better term) Separatist soldiers throughout most of the series, only having them occasionally interact with famous people like Anakin Skywalker or Obi-Wan Kenobi. War crimes and atrocities should still be shown on BOTH sides, as the CIS did just as much as the Republic, if not more, but it is still paramount to show that most of the Separatists are people who geniunely believe in fighting the tyranny of the Republic. Maybe we can even show a growing rift between the Corporate factions of the CIS and the member worlds, manifesting in power struggles between the Separatist Council and Senate, there's so much untapped potential.

[@naquris4241]

@@KaiHung-wv3ul who'd have thought that one line from the opening crawl could show so much potential? "There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere." I had forgotten I even wrote this, but reading it again 3 years later, plus your ideas just makes me disappointed we never got to see anything like it. I guess TCW's approach of "Republic good, Separatists bad, Palps pulling the strings" is the norm now.

[@dianapadilla9578]

03 clone wars and the Expanded Universe all the way I'm not against TCW sometimes it's just thiers some things in 08 clone wars aka TCW that they got wrong.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

PACIFIST MANDALORIANS! Wrong on so many levels!

[@delta2372]

I haven't really ever liked the 08 clone wars, the animation is weird (I am a 2d animation purist I hate CGI shows unless it's the type.of CGI used on halo 2 anniversary cutscenes and TOR cutscenes) the clone wars portrayed in legend's is way more interesting than the 08 show.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

@@beanbunny607 Here here!

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

@@beanbunny607 it means yes, yes!

[@stranglestrong]

I agree with most of what you said. This hypothetical show sounds awesome and clearly fits better into legends vs tcw. Tcw did have some music that to me was memorable I. E savage opresses theme. You are correct about grievous character arc conversion. But mace windu also added to that character change by showing why he had physical differences between clone wars and ep 3 by force crushing his chest.

[@councilofflorence4896]

Captain Fordo, what about a hard timeline retcon of changing the Clone Wars from 3 years to a 5-6 year long war so that both the original MMP plot, and a restructured TCW story might exist? This way, it's still 2 years and 6 months into the war that Anakin is knighted, he can still have his padawan as Ahsoka (one of my favourite parts of TCW), and we can just delete or change the New Mandalore plot. Potential plot fixes: the New Mandalorians are not on the actual planet Mandalore, but Satine's homeworld of Kalavela, which was meant to be a desert wasteland. They change the name to 'New Mandalore' and set up a society in opposition to the true Mandalorians. Quinlan Voss' TCW storyline is deleted entirely. Rex is turned into an Arc Trooper and replaces Alpha-17 later in the war, so that Alpha can train the other Arc troopers. Maul is retained as a late comer into the war. Ventress' original story is retained with only scant mentions of Dathomir's witches. However, her redemption Arc can be kept and she becomes a more unique character due to Voss (but no romance). Barris can either just not fall, or fall later due to her time as a healer, becoming crazed due to the loss of her friends. Also, her age is retained in MMP and she is a mentor to Ahsoka Anakin can grow into the character we see in TCW and ROTS All the TCW timeline changes are explicitly moved forwards into this last extra 2 years of the war, and any conflicting details is retconned in TCW to match the MMP. Thus MMP takes precedence between the two. Release rewrites of Labyrinth of Evil and ROTS novelisation to mention Ahsoka's death (because an authentic padawan of Anakin must die). Which creates greater disillusionment with the Order and gives significant reason for his fall. Ahsoka being Yoda's hopes to teach Anakin to let go of attachment, but due to the Council's mistakes leads to strengthening his attachments. Also Anakin's age is more sensible, around 25 in ROTS, and Obi-Wan will look closer to his ANH self, ultimately tying in those details properly into the OT.

[@councilofflorence4896]

@@thezman9522 I have always scratched my head at how young they are in the OT 🤣 also thank you. I've thought a lot about a merger timeline

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

I definitely agree that the Clone Wars should’ve gone on much longer.

[@railfandepotproductions]

Wasn't the clone wars 4 year long war and not 3 years?

[@zshah3107]

It sometimes makes me even throwing a fit cuz of Filoni's TCW constant contradictions in Legends timelines!

[@noahfessenden6478]

Throughout this whole, all I thought was "Yes, you get it. Yes, I agree with that!". At the risk of shilling for you, another excellent video Tadd. As a side not though, Rise of the Empire's taken by Battlefront 2 classic's campaign, and Griskey (legendary composer indeed) also did tracks for the Jedi Starfighter video game. I suggest you listen to some of those.

[@rcbmmines4579]

Why not make it directly adapt the original Clone Wars comics? Edit: 10:32 Exactly! My favorite arc from the series. That had a lot more character development for Anakin than the entire TCW IMO.

[@conradojavier7547]

You have Animes Adopt the Manga for a Wide Audience.

[@bluehero-96]

Exactly what should have happened for Anakin and Obi-wan. I'd still have Anakin in the jedi traitor/terrorist arc, but switch Ahsoka's and Barris's rolls.

[@mr_z_____]

Great video Tadd, lots of good points, most of these things I've thought about while watching TCW. How many times I've rolled my eyes when something is depicted in a too childish way or when something happens and breaks established continuity. Haden Blackman wrote a ton of my favorite Star Wars stories, he, just like Genndy knows what's cool and interesting when he sees it and gives you the story in a way that keeps you interested. Dee Bradly Baker is a good actor, he's done some amazing work on other shows and he's talented but he just doesn't sound anything like Temuera Morrison, I don't know why they picked him. Every time I watch TCW and I hear his voice for the clones all I manage to think about is "sounds nothing like him" and this breaks the little immersion that this show provides for me. We've heard good Jango Fett voices in KZbin audio comics - if youtubers can find an actor that sounds like him then Lucasfilm should have too. The Clone Wars started with episode 2, ran for a while with the comics, the books, the OG 2003 Clone Wars animation, the games and ended with episode 3. Maybe after Revenge of the Sith they should have gone directly into Dark Times stories that were less explored as a time period or they could have gone into a period after episode 6 and into the Legacy era and Geroge could have told the stories he wanted to tell before he "retired" that would focus on Leia and her kids, Darth Talon, etc.

[@vr5076]

Star Wars: Fall of the Republic is a fitting title.

[@a93alberts42]

May I suggest another title, possibly a better one? I’m thinking “Star Wars: Rise of the Empire,” because the Wookieepedia described the Clone Wars as being in “The Rise of the Empire” era as well as the 2005 Battlefront II campaign name.

[@zshah3107]

But... what about The Republic Heroes?

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

Anakin's butt-chin in TCW makes him look much more like Sam "Starkiller" Witwer than Hayden Christensen.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

Great video my friend! Your ideas sounds much more interesting than TCW. Also thanks for the collab we did last month.

[@nathanmalik7056]

Or you could just go with the original version of TCW in which a group of smugglers work behind the front lines to assist the Republic. That was basically what TCW was supposed to be and would have fit into the Expanded Universe neatly.

[@DarthHuys]

It's both funny and sad to listen to people back then wishing for live-action star wars series. It's 2024, and I wish they never existed

[@rcbmmines4579]

44:30. Huge Ostrander fan. Besides the SW Republic comics he also did (the real) Suicide Squad and the Spectre from DC comics.

[@twil2978]

RCBM Mines he was my childhood comics-wise

[@colbyjames7205]

You are correct Fordo if you had been in Filoni's place you would have saved the show made it better then it was before. I also liked the idea of the Clone Commandos' what you could have done for them that having been my favourite. Oneday if we had time machines maybe we could go back in time fix that error if they're was a way but as always it's unlikley will see time travel and it was totally unfair how and what they did to Karen Traviss at the time was unfair stopped her from writting the final Republic Commando story for Omega Squad that I now hate most of all Dave Filoni and his repuation and anyway I'd say screw Disney and their reputation. for what they have done to Karen Traviss. I wish we got closure on Omega Squad and Clan Skirata but it never occured. I'd have loved to seen what happens to our heroes. Darman and Niner. and everyone else and all of Omega how they get out of Mandalore if they find a new future if they do consider to be on good terms with the Rebel Alliance. I wish you had been in Filoni's place and not Filoni himself.

[@caleboch8181]

I don't really like Karen Travis but still what they did was bull shit

[@violentscorl697]

Cale Boch well, you don’t have to like the woman. Her stories and characters though were superb.

[@caleboch8181]

Her stories read like self insert fanfiction where she uses the Mandos as a mouth peice to unfairly target the Jedi for things they didn't even do like the clone army Sure I can buy the mandos thinking that actually no I can't since Kal should be familiar with The name Tyranus from Jango himself

[@GuardianAngel871]

@@caleboch8181 Yeah, I honestly would have loved for a major Jedi character to actually come in and straight up call these particular Mandolorian characters out for their arrogance and, most especially, their hypocrisy. To me, they really make the Jedi, even at their worst in and out of universe, seem pretty damn modest by comparison.

[@thesentinel5523]

TCW and Dave Feloni were Disney Star Wars before Disney Owned Star Wars. He paved the way for that kind of "I Don't Give A Shit About Canon" storytelling. The only reason no one holds his face to the flame is his bullshit smelled less worse than what Disney produced. Add that to the fact you have a bunch of channels (like Geeks & Gamers for example) misleading unsuspecting viewers in to thinking what Dave did as the best of what used to be, and you have a very good case for why he contributed to the argument for why Disney aborted the EU in 2014.

[@christiannoriega428]

Except pretty much every canon breaking decision in the show was made by George

[@filmgoblin5016]

@@christiannoriega428because George didn’t seem to give a fuck anymore after the prequels since he thought at the time he wasn’t going to make anymore movies.

[@filmgoblin5016]

I honestly don’t know why TCW even existed when there was already a clone wars animated show in 2003. Out of all the time periods in Star Wars lore I don’t get why George was so stuck on clone wars era when he could’ve made an animated series set between two trilogy’s.

[@christiannoriega428]

@filmgoblin5016 Because it's an era in time that needed more fleshing out and is probably the most interesting time period to explore. The 2003 CW had some cool scenes, but it didn't really flesh out the lore, politics, and effects of war the same way TCW did. It was a gold mine of things to explore.

[@Bona_D._Roosky]

If I were making TCW, it would be 2D. I would just take the books, comics and games and adapt it in the show.

[@Bona_D._Roosky]

Anime style.

[@necrom002]

Same honestly

[@michelecastellotti9172]

The cgi promos showed a galaxy where weapons are powerful projectiles fly fast as bullets and all is sooooooo quick, adrenalinic, *BADASS* and so on. I feel like from TCW onward star wars lost most to all of its badassery.

[@beskamir5977]

Getting Blur Studio to make a clone wars or better yet something set during the New Sith Wars and the rise of Darth Bane would have been amazing!

[@CameronKiesser]

I always wondered why Anakin's hair grew so slowly for 3 years. Lol.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

I really wished that actual TCW included Captain Fordo as the Master Chief type ARC Trooper he was - being a leader of few words and using a multitude of hand signals - with him, Alpha 17 and Rex (who would be an ARC Trooper from the beginning in this idea) being led by PADAWAN Anakin in the first few seasons as an elite team - possibly the Muunilinst 10 from the original Clone Wars - in Obi Wan's Legion/212th assigned specifically to Anakin by Palpatine. Also 19:13 has the additional point of all the clones having the face of someone who was beating the shit out of him the last time they saw each other.

[@lukatomas9465]

Rex was originally supposed to be Alpha-17.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

@@lukatomas9465 yeah, heard about that.

[@Legomanarthur]

Looking at the state of Star Wars now and how the Clone Wars could've been expanded upon saddens me. I genuinely love this concept, and you can't go wrong with this team of writers. Awesome video as always!

[@josesosa3337]

I know this is an old video and im half way through it, but an idea i had with ashoka is that she was a padawan along side anakin and became a knight around the same time as him. Instead of master and student, they could have a relationship of friends on the same level who respect eachother. Since in legends it took longer for Anakin to become a knight and Ashoka, as anakins apprentice isn't even mentioned in revenge of the sith. Great video so far.

[@dianapadilla9578]

Captain fordo if you went back in time and you were in control of Star Wars and Disney never owned star wars and your clone wars idea from the Expanded Universe is a great idea I would love to watch it no lie I would.

[@latviandragon2718]

My idea for a star wars series, is a 2D animated series with arcs based on the dark horse comics, with the first 3 arcs based on the trawn trilogy. another could be based on battlefronts 2 2005 games campaign and the canceled battlefront 3 story.

[@bluehero-96]

I agree with you on the voices. I disagree with you on changing the name, since originally and in this hypothetical scenario, it's supposed to be a continuation of Clone Wars 2003. Story-wise I'd say that General Kota stories would give you the most diverse points of view. His is a jedi's point of view (albeit non-traditional). His militia as the soldier's points of view (they can be grunts or commandos and circumvent the problem of clone individualism you mentioned). Kota could work with non-military personnel allowing him to operate outside of his jurisdiction, giving us the smugglers and bounty hunters points of view. I'd only keep Ahsoka around as the padawan of Plo Koon, and have Plo be the traditional-point-of-view jedi protagonist in the B plot. I'd adapt Anakin and Obi-wan's previous stories into the show as the c plot. D plot being divided among the jedi that time forgot, like Jax Pavan and the wolfman/others from Clone Wars 2003 shown in this video.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

A better title would of bin Star Wars: Heroes of the Clone Wars or Star Wars: Clone War Diaries. It's like if we had Star Trek in the 60s. Then Next Generation was called "A Star Trek". We need better a sounding difference.

[@bluehero-96]

@@TheMrPeteChannel Or maybe Clone Wars Continued, or the new adventures like with Batman tas.

[@jediknightjameslunagazer7632]

Or perhaps: Clone Wars: Missing/Lost Chapters or Side Stories or maybe since Transformers Animated was airing at the time: Clone Wars: Animated?

[@james501001]

The thing I disagree with is relegating Anakin and Obi-Wan to cameos, especially Anakin. The hypothetical series should specifically focus on Anakin, his jounrey, his struggles and his psychology that led him down the dark path. Show through the war how he became dissilussioned with the Republic and the Jedi ways, how the Dark Side seemed more and more seductive and how he started craving more power, not just to save his loved ones but for himself too. Show Palpatine's manipulation of him, orchestrating events, missions and even tailored confrontations with his Dark Acolytes to turn Anakin.

[@bluehero-96]

To quote Treebeard, "Your part in this tale is over. Go back to your home." Both Anakin's and Obi-wan's arcs have already been completed. Unless you're adapting preexisting yet un-animated material, it would be counterproductive to use those characters more than a few times. I firmly believe that Plo Koon should have been in Anakin's role as "protagonist" and Ahsoka's master. After watching this video though, I think the show should have split the primary focus between Plo & Ahsoka, and General Kota & his militia.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

@@bluehero-96 Ahsoka was orginaly going to be Plo's Padawan.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

@Robert Ortiz-Wilson Exactly. Orginaly Plo & Snips where to be the main with Obi & Ani as the support.

[@yospidey0078]

Read and watch the multi media project. Also watch the prequels.

[@ariesstorm9577]

The fact they had Anakin and Obi-Wan each face Asajj Ventress in the TCW movie and season one without introductions heavily implied that at the very least the original clone wars cartoon was still part of that “canon”. At the very least Clone Wars Seasons 1, 2 and chapter 21 of season 3 all take place at the beginning of the war, with TCW movie and seasons taking place after and for much of the war. The series ends as already established in chapters 22 to 25 of the original clone wars cartoon. That’s how I make TCW seasons 1 to 5 fit in with the original clone wars series in my head canon anyway. It’s damn refreshing to see Star Wars KZbinrs like yourself still keeping the original clone wars events and timelines alive. Thank you 👍🏻

[@rikudoubapeck]

The guy already established that isn't possible. Anakin becomes a knight late into the clone wars according to the legends canon. In TCW he becomes a knight near the beginning of the clone wars. Obviously both can't be true at the same time.

[@matane2465]

Nope. Only Anakin met Ventress in Tartakovsky's clone wars. In Filoni's clone wars obi-wan acts like they both have a history with her right from her first chronological appearance in that series.

[@maverickay5807]

Thank God there are fans like you out there. You care more about Star Wars then Filoni ever will.

[@heltongomez8865]

I agree. Fuck Filoni

[@ironinquisitor3656]

The KOTOR 2 soundtrack is great.

[@Cashtron-d8b]

Wow, this is much better than what we actually got, this is perfect. Great job dude.

[@sarahnonagintanovem3461]

2008 Clone Wars should have been just a expanded version of Genndy's Clone Wars. Operation Durge's Lance would have been bad ass on screen. But no instead we have Filoni and Disney rewriting Star Wars as a whole. If they could they would rewrite the movies themselves.

[@emzonik8851]

I agree your and Tadd's versions would have been much better, but to be fair, unlike Tadd says, George was involved in TCW to a large degree and while Feloni stood behind most of the retcons, the general ideas were provided by the big man.

[@gplgs4640]

I wouldn’t put it past Disney and Filoni to have contemplated remaking the prequels and originals in their iconic soulless, stunted, mediocre way. You just KNOW they’d make Luke a secondary character while the main character is Ahsoka or some other diversity quota character.

[@spartacus936]

I think Ahsoka would have worked better as a 22 years old Togrutan Jedi Knight in command of her own Clone legion/batallion. Maybe she could have worked with Anakin and Obi-Wan one or two times during the War, but nothing more. TCW would have been much better if the series was focused on her and her Clone legion/batallion, with Obi-Wan and Anakin as cameos in one or two arcs.

[@zackfilmsentertainment3048]

I like your idea. That concept is actually going to be the focus of my Clone Wars fan series

[@spartacus936]

@@zackfilmsentertainment3048I'd like to read it when you will finish it!

[@Brendan-kx8iy]

31:35 completely agree here. Show both his power and his MFTL speed, and do him proper justice against Jedi. He should not be a trivial threat that struggles with or even loses to Padawans, Knights, Low Tier Council Members (Eeth Koth, if it was Agen Kolar at least it would’ve made sense for him to keep up with Grievous, albeit he should still lose), or fucking GUNGANS when he speedblitzes armies of clone troopers, Mandalorians and could even do the same against an army of most Jedi.

[@superpaytonmars8852]

I get what you're saying dude. I love TCW, I love Ahsoka Tano, and I think the show probably would have worked better as a self-contained series. It's already a semi-anthology.

[@GaryTheNeutral]

Any video from you is worth the wait! As always, this was an enjoyable video with valid reasoning and the research is there I love the passion you put into stuff like this. Never change Manda-LORE!

[@Little-Oshawott-2010]

Here's some errors in this video... 1. Star Wars The Clone Wars was Rated TV-PG-V not Rated TV-Y7. 2. Star Wars The Clone Wars concluded in 2014 not 2012.

[@alessandrofabiano2819]

Not like those mistakes actually matter that much

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

He got confused with Star Wars Rebels. That was rated TV-Y7.

[@alessandrofabiano2819]

@michael cooper Still doesnt make any difference with what he was trying to say. You guys are just nitpicking

[@modmaker7617]

@@alessandrofabiano2819 Would it be better if it was TV-14-V or TV-MA-V?

[@DigiPen92]

michael cooper There are deaths in Star Wars Rebels such as Obi-Wan killed Maul, The Imperial Inquisitors get killed by Maul, Ashoka, and Suicide, Stormtroopers got blasted, and so on.

[@vr5076]

27:13; The Ghost Prison comics by Dark Horse includes characters that could have been Separatist heroes. Stories centering around them would be nice.

[@jurassicpark1fan920]

The Clone Wars animated series should have never considered a part of the old EU/Legends. TCW is a enjoyable series but it just contradicts and outright retcons so much of the previous books and comics.

[@imyouralibi6208]

Tbh, I would love it if they rebooted the series, put someone other than Filoni in charge, and had it tie into the 2003 show as was originally planned

[@liamlinson7563]

I think everyone knows that TCW is not part of legends what so ever and that it was its own separate thing during that time

[@75JUNAKI]

Yee people with the knowledge of the EU would know that.

[@liamlinson7563]

@@75JUNAKI ya dave filoni doesnt seem to care about the source material that much fe bad batch episode 1

[@Johnathan_The_Terrible]

Your concept for _Star Wars: Fall of the Republic,_ set between Episodes II and III, sounds awesome! _Star Wars: Rise of the Empire_ sounds like a fitting title for the potential continuation between Episodes III and IV that you mentioned!

[@kortovos]

Clone Wars: Fall of the Republic Dark Times: Rise of the Empire Two CGI animated shows with these titles that connected with the EU and using their actual potantiels unlike Filoni's shows would be so so awasome

[@BigRed3000]

I love the clone wars but it’s honestly kinda disappointing to hear it just changed a bunch of continuity stuff just because. Like quinlan vos was in one episode, how’d they mess him up so bad? I don’t know if I prefer the changes this clone wars made to the continuity, I like the way they’d try to humanize pretty much all the clones and I think a pacifist mandalore is interesting and they get some cool stories outta that but I hardly know anything about the expanded universe and stuff it changed.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

The Mandalorians were interesting but how I fix the retcon is the Mandalore we see in TCW is a different planet. There are two independant Mandalores that claim to be the real planet.

[@inventorking9124]

I came up with a retconned timeline: The Clone Wars Movie and show start seven MONTHS after Geonosis, with minor retconning this allows enough time for most of the pre-Anakin knighting storylines, such as Jabiiim, Alpha’s training program, the spread of individuality in the clone ranks, to take place. In fact, the 2003 micro series even had Anakin’s promotion take place right after Grievous was revealed, since they needed more knights for the war effort, so the original CW itself messed up the timeline by saying he was a padawan for most of the war. If something only contradicts TCW because it happened after the fact, it could simply be moved so it happened earlier, (Ex. Yoda: Dark Rendezvous could take place before Ventress was betrayed, it did even set up the possibility of Dooku eliminating her.) When addressing the arguably biggest continuity error, Mandalore was already explained. The idea is that Mandalore is divided into New Mando territory (ravaged deserts) and the disorganized clans (everywhere else). Since the New Mandos were a far more organized and apparently more technologically proficient society, the Senate recognized them as Mandalore’s leaders. When Satine died, the subsequent civil war allowed the True Mandalorians to resurface. I personally enjoyed Anakin’s portrayal in TCW, he was far less annoying, still had his dark moments, cared deeply about his friends, appeared to be far less easily manipulated, was still reckless, vocally sounded more like a younger Darth Vader, and still grew to distrust the council. Giving him a padawan before he was really ready suggests that the council was desperate, hoped responsibility would humble him and justify his premature promotion, ultimately placing too much faith in their chosen one, which was already the cause of their undoing anyway. Ahsoka’s trail and subsequent abandonment of the order does add depth to Anakin’s schism with the council. I also really liked the TCW portrayal of the clones, since Baker, likely because of his voice acting background, was able to create greater variation within his portrayal of the troopers. I’m not saying Morrison wouldn’t have done a good job, but I think that Baker did a better job conveying the youth of these troopers, since even the oldest of them are only 26/13 by the end of the war. I do agree that the accent he used was a little stupid, though, but I think that, like Ahsoka’s portrayal, his portrayal and acting got better as time progressed and he eased into the role. However, that being said, let’s face it, most people don’t even know about the Expanded Universe, and constantly trying to adhere to it would mean TCW would have been far more constricted in its storylines. This show was made for an audience that had only seen the movies, and, from what I know about Dave Filoni, I think that he was just trying to tell a good story. Was TCW perfect? Absolutely not. But was it good? That depends on your point of view. I say yes, particularly in its later episodes. Again, though, that is just my opinion, my point of view. You are entitled to disagree. Please do so respectfully, though. If you simply wish to troll/insult me, I will simply report your comment, dismissing it as the spam it is.

[@violentscorl697]

Inventor King but do the viewers have to know about thr EU? Because really, they don’t. We didn’t know what Sand people were, or how beautiful Alderaan was when we watched Episode 4. Still everyone loved and enjoyed the movie. The trick is to let the references go smoothly, so that everyone can understand and is intrigued to find out more. This opens the rabbit hole tht is Star Wars expanded universe.

[@inventorking9124]

@@violentscorl697 No one HAS to know about the EU, I agree with you there. I was just pointing out ways in which it could be S-canoned into the EU. Dave admitted that he knew that TCW caused problems in the EU's continuity, but felt that this didn't invalidate them in any way. He just viewed them as another way of looking at Star Wars. That's how I view Legends: It's still as validly Star Wars as anything Disney makes, it's (usually) true to the spirit of Star Wars. Personally, though, I think that the biggest problem with the prequels (CGI, crappy dialogue, and a lack of classic star wars banter aside) was that there was too much story to really fit into three movies. I personally think that the prequels would have been better as a TV show, where we could explore all the political intrigue in greater detail and see Anakin mature and better develop his relationship with Obi-Wan beyond what you see in the movies. I love how George worked with EU writers and incorporated a lot of EU material into the story. But, to get the full emotional impact, you have to see it all in order to care as deeply about Anakin and his and Obi-Wan's friendship. The problem with the prequels, as CinemaSins (I don't really like them, but they were spot on with this criticism): is that they contain innumerable references to storylines that sound awesome and were explored in the EU, yet it was merely referenced as backstory. Anakin and Obi-Wan were brothers? Aside from the intro in Ep 3, we don't see any of that. Anakin is a gifted warrior and capable commander? Watch TCW to understand. The Prequels just don't work the way George intended without the EU or TCW. I know that I'm unlikely to find fans of the new canon here, but I also enjoy the new movies (Force Awakens and Last Jedi are my favorite films in the Disney era), mainly because they recapture the aesthetic of the originals, especially in the former's increased use of practical effects, hero's journey plot, and classic banter. You really don't need to explore anything else to understand those.

[@violentscorl697]

Inventor King I agree with everything, except for the words about the disney episodes (but let’s not delve into that here, as that’s not the topic). Star Wars is just too great for it to be sufficiently captured in three movies, though I believe the Prequels aren’t as bad as people make them out to be. And since they spawned a large part of the EU and incorporated the brilliant Ewan McGregor, I’m totally fine with them.

[@inventorking9124]

@@violentscorl697 Again, I think the prequels had a really good premise, and interesting characters (Jar Jar aside), and good actors, but they're the best example of "Star Wars is too big to fit into three movies." There's just too much story there to fit into a movie trilogy.

[@inventorking9124]

@@violentscorl697 Good point. I think that the prequels would have worked better as a TV show, since everything that is merely mentioned in exposition could have been explored in detail for mainstream audiences, rather than just fans that read the EU. I thought that Darth Plagueis, Yoda: Dark Rondevous, Republic Commando, Battlefront 2, the first two KOTOR games, and 2003 Clone Wars were great, but most people won't take the time to read about them. As for the sequels, I don't want to argue about them at all. If you don't like them, go ahead, feel free.

[@DarthBalsamic]

I have to say, I really like your ideas. I would much rather your storytelling ideas than what they've currently been doing. Your's would be much more cohesive and exploratory of the lore which we all desire, instead of this mess they've put out under Disney. Here's to hoping we get this someday.

[@firenexxus5767]

I can’t even tell you how happy this would make me, very very very few things would make me happier

[@christopherbarker1048]

This sounds so good. I wish it were real.

[@dr.coffinnails]

"For of all sad words of tongue or pen, The saddest are these: 'It might have been!'"

[@priscyllathewitch298]

Overall I like the ideas presented here, and as a fan of Grievous I agree TCW should've handled him much better, I don't think saying he lost to Ahsoka is accurate. He always bests her in duels and she runs away. Saying she beats Grievous is like saying Grievous in TCW beats everyone because he always escapes.

[@dianapadilla9578]

I still watch the old republic trailers I love it

[@twil2978]

Sub Money those are gonna never get old

[@dianapadilla9578]

@@twil2978 True

[@noahfessenden6478]

"Return" has one of the best Saber duels in the franchise.

[@kiankier7330]

I will like to episodes or a show base on the republic commandos books

[@violentscorl697]

Kian Kier Imagine a multi-season retelling of The Republic Commando novels- oh man, TAKE MY MONEY!

[@magtegi2]

I mean I think the hand drawn animation that gendi did was awesome

[@ArcTrooperRod-269]

BUT ALSO UNIQUE, & I DOUBT IT WOULD WORK FOR ANOTHER SHOW

[@zshah3107]

Rahm Kota & several TFU references should have been included on TCW also then Kota is likely to be canonized also!

[@HolyknightVader999]

I would have just taken the 2003 series and art style and made more episodes in between. Granted, I'd still take in the better parts of 2008 TCW like Admiral Trench and Darth Maul coming back, but I'd fit it in, like how I'd have Maul's Death Watch and Bo-Katan's loyalists have such a bad civil war on Mandalore, that it allows a pro-Separatist Mandalorian Protector faction to swoop in and take over.

[@james501001]

Tiny observation : The Old Republic "Deceived" trailer aired on 2009.

[@GAdmThrawn]

However, it was in development before that, probably years. So, it wouldn't be hard to collaborate with the animators who did that. The biggest hurdle (and most likely an unfeasible one at that) is how expensive that style of animation really is.

[@MRDLT00]

Thank god this is here. I love your videos on this topic. Long live the Clone Wars Legends material!

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

Photorealistic CGI like the SWTOR trailers is cool, though don't know how cost-effective that would be, unless it's a miniseries. But Imagine how many gaps it would fill : Besides Rahm Kota during the Clone Wars, what about Qu Rahn, Roblio Darté (the original crossguard saber wielder), or seeing more of A'Sharad Hett and how his Tusken Raider upbringing plus Anya Kuro's harsh training made him into a tough, but volatile fighter ? Maybe have Maw, one of Jerec's Seven Dark Jedi, be an aspiring Dark Acolyte, and that's kind of how Jerec recruited him in his cadre. There are so many loose ends from the EU which could have closed in a show like this....

[@imyouralibi6208]

Lots of good ideas. That's the beauty of Star Wars. There's so many untold stories 💜

[@RMV1560]

I thoroughly enjoy everything you did in this. and I agree completely. Romoda is one of the coolest Jedi who deserved more not just screen time but history in general would be books comics movies everything

[@wolfpredator1000]

Great video! Are you working on more ideas for EU material? Because this kind of videos exploring the possibilities are inspiring

[@harrissyed1417]

Captain Fordo, Honestly a number of your proposed changes for Star Wars: The Clone Wars either don't work or wouldn't happen under George Lucas: * The show can't begin at the start of the Clone Wars and show Anakin Skywalker's progression from Padawan to Jedi Knight since that was covered in the 2003 Clone Wars. * The show was already quite mature just look at Season 5 and some of the earlier seasons even having a TV-PG-V rating for crying out loud. * The animation style evolved gradually to look better over time and it can't be something out of Star Wars: The Old Republic since that's more costly than an animated series. * Matt Lanter does a good performance of Anakin Skywalker and he's done some live-action work before Vampires Suck same with Dee Bradley Baker for the Clone Troopers and the latter is a very accomplished voice actor with a deep resume. * Ahsoka Tano was going to end up as part of the show anyway regardless especially since the original concept sketched in 2005 had her albeit called Ashla and a Padawan learner for Sendak in the Rebels-esque cast. * The Game of Thrones anthology format can't work because Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi are the main focus of the series. The only changes I think that could have worked is the portrayal of certain EU elements for example I'd keep Mandalore as an arboreal, forrest world home to many different people that are Mandalorians but the New Mandalorians under Duchess Satine Kryze could have emerged given what we learn about the Mandalorian CIvil War between Jaster Mereel's New Mandalorians and Tor Viszla's Death Watch in Jango Fett: Open Seasons, Letta Turmond as the Jedi Temple bomber instead of Barriss Offee, Asajj Ventress having a Rattatak-focused story arc, the Nightsisters/Nightbrothers engaged in a civil war of sorts on Dathomir, Quinlan Vos teaming with Obi-Wan Kenobi after the events of Star Wars: Republic #75, Darth Maul being brought back, the inclusion other Sith Acolytes besides Savage Opress and Quinlan Vos, Even Piell lives after Order 66 only to die, Adi Gallia also lives until her death at the Battle of Saluecemi, Have Korriban not be called Moraband and just it's original name, Darth Bane donning his Orbalisk armor appearance alongside Darth Revan to the Son on Mortis, the military ranks of certain characters like Wilhuff Tarkin, Wulff Yularen and Gilad Pellaeon, EU characters and locations such as Rahm Kota, An'ya Kuro/The Dark Woman, Durge, Nelvaan and Muunilinst making recurring appearances and the inclusion of writers such as Karen Traviss, James Luceno and Hayden Blackman on the writing staff of Star Wars: The Clone Wars to advise Dave Filoni on continuity.

[@75JUNAKI]

Harris Syed The Matt lanter part is that it doesn't sound like Anakin from the movies

[@harrissyed1417]

@@75JUNAKI Whatever his performance was great.

[@bionic-tale4313]

@@harrissyed1417 Well, he doesn't exactly sound like Anakin, he sounds more like a young han solo than Anakin.

[@mattmortar1325]

Maybe you could make a video about things you would like to see if Disney continued the old expanded universe

[@RMV1560]

I would pay to see a fanfic of this

[@RoachDoggJr2112]

I need the fucking werewolf jedi so bad it's not even funny Also, your note about a squad of clone troopers being followed a-la Band of Brothers is literally all I want from a Star Wars show. I want it to be as dark and violent as BOB, too. I want to see blood and viscera when someone is hit by a charged particle blast. I also want to say that I desperately DO NOT want them to be supersoldiers. No fucking Arc troopers or anything like that. Rank. And. File. I'm so fucking sick of Star WARS only focusing on Special Forces. I want a bloody, traumatic WAR experience, not Call of Duty.

[@bluehero-96]

25:34 Every time this scene is played Diavolo uses King Crimson's power to try escaping from the death loop. That's why everyone forgets that TCW got the clones wrong.

[@Avalon-tr4vk]

Great video on what you would have done for TCW, Tadd! Now we have a great TCW trilogy by you!