How Important & Effective Were TV-Guided Bombs In The Vietnam War? | DCS

Today we look at the use of the AGM-62 Walleye and GBU-8 HOBOS TV Guided bombs during the Vietnam War.
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2:38 Predictions
3:48 Attempt 1 (Dumb bombs)
19:54 Attempt 2 (TV Guided bombs)
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[@theshermany]

I don't know where else to ask Grim Reapers questions but I would like to see a scenario where 10 fully loaded B52s with conventional guided bombs could have prevented pearl harbor attack or 10 fully loaded B1Bs could have sunk the attacking japanese fleet. I know in Iraq B1s few 2 percent of the sorties and dropped 80 percent of all the Bombs dropped. So it could be interesting.

[@simba1113]

Cap does read all the comments and will probably jot your idea down.

[@Wyomingchief]

They've already done the B-1 mission, and I'm pretty sure they've done the B-52 also. It's in one of the playlist, they've done just about every Pearl Harbor scenario you can think of

[@grimreapers]

US did actually use carpet bombing against ships in WWII using B-17 and B-29 but had very limited success: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqfSin94lsuDm7s

[@Davros-vi4qg]

F4 vs Commercial airliner. 1971 F4B collides with DC9 in California, with all but the F4’s RIO killed. A mix of VFR and IFR traffic as well as limited visibility was blamed for the incident. The F4 squadron was also questioned as to why the allowed the plane to fly with an inoperable transceiver, effectively making it invisible to ATC.

[@gerryflanagan8291]

Mil and civilian air traffic did not communicate with same air controllers

[@CMDRSweeper]

This crash was with Hughes Airwest Flight 706 and was the final straw that brought about the max 250 knots below 10000 foot rule that exists today. Of course some heavies such as 747 and A380 do "bust" this speed with permission from ATC as they need a faster speed to climb "clean" that is without any flaps hanging out and have good maneuverability.

[@Maeyanie]

I'd never heard about it before Cap's mention but I was just reading up on it now, and yeah, apparently the F-4 was in pretty broken condition with a lot of inop systems. Aside from the broken transponder, it was also restricted to low altitude due to a bad oxygen system leak, and it couldn't see the DC-9 on its own radar either. If any of those 3 systems had been functional, everything would have been fine.

[@johnsmith-gk4td]

The other thing with this F4 model is that the pilot can't eject if the RIO ejects first.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@eaches]

Cap actually said "Guys, pull out your magnums" without a "giggity". Absolutely amazing.

[@ColeDedhand]

Check out the history of the Thanh Hoa (Dragon's Jaw) bridge in Vietnam. It survived hundreds of sorties dropping thousands of unguided bombs, with American aircraft losses exceeding 100 planes. But the first time it was attacked with laser-guided bombs, the bridge dropped.

[@Wyomingchief]

What's not laser-guided bombs they were TV guided bombs. We didn't have laser guided Munitions until long after the Vietnam War was over

[@raven229a6]

@@Wyomingchief Paveway I series of LGB's were used during the Vietnam War.

[@grimreapers]

I read about this today.

[@ravneiv]

These videos have been so nostalgic. I loved the F4 as a kid, and my modern perception of it is has been a bit less, well favorable. But watching these new F4 videos feels like I'm playing with the die-cast models again.

[@timbaskett6299]

The F-4s were my first experience with "high performance" military aircraft, and I miss them. My was from watching RF-4s taking off from Gowen Field. Later I got to fly the simulator there.

[@tetraxis3011]

Here’s an idea: Use the main combat assets of the Mexican Airforce(6 Active F5s and 3-4 in reserve for a total of 9-10 F5s + 3 Embraer AWACS) and do a mission with these. Maybe attacking a Cuban Airfield?

[@AnthonyAdrianAcker]

Oh man I would love to try this mission out. I haven't touched the TV Guided bombs much yet but this seems like a nice mission to learn them in. I'm gonna try and run a similar mission against a SAM-2 cuz I am such a noob. Your path through the mountains with your wingmen looked so cool!

[@vexingrabbit1824]

Dude, Watching the Grim Reapers in their F-4s on that second run reminds me of Star War's Red Squadron in their x-wing doing their trench run on the Death Star. Very fun mission to watch.

[@timbaskett6299]

I think for comparison, you should run this with the F-15E and JDAMs. Here's a bit of trivia, on the F-4G "Wild Weasel" late in their life cycle, were modified to accept the belly tank from the F-15 stressed for 5g instead of the standard 3g of the original.

[@onefansview9874]

“Wait, are you lost?” Comedy

[@11481]

I have never played this game, but I enjoy these videos tremendously. Keep up the good work!

[@John_SlideRule_Bullay]

Catching up on GR missions. What a fun mission with the F-4. She's on the list to get for sure. Hope you are doing well Cap! Video Valued by Valued Viewer! - Fly Army 🚁

[@Maverick0451]

Night and day between the two runs. Excellent proof of concept for the differences between the guided and unguided munitions!! I gotta say, the highlight for me though was biting my freaking nails while watching Super Cap follow Simba so freaking close at low level on BOTH runs!! Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!

[@kbozzie5951]

When you pop the canopy in flight I'm reminded of the time one of our F-4E pilots accidently opened his canopy in flight. Was during the colder weather as I recall (Elmendorf AFB). We also had a crew receive the nick names of baskins and robins, they wanted to take ice cream to one of the remote sites. They put it in the gun bay (heated) it was melted all over the place.

[@jadefalcon001]

Anyone that wants to take baggage on a fighter, always ask the ordnance people for an emptied-out and cleaned napalm can. plenty of storage volume in there!

[@cowshark1232]

the f-4 crash you were talking about did happen, I watched a documentary about it.

[@Madeyes6]

The F4 incident is covered on the Mayday crash investigation TV series.

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

The valued F-4 Phantom !!

[@jmtpolitico80]

Good Mission TEAM GR!

[@Boxmediaphile]

i finally got Janes USAF up and running on my pc so i can now play those missions and recreate them in DCS

[@joebocsy4240]

The Weasels needed Rockeyes to back up missiles

[@totalNERD-eo7wx]

For the Phantom, could you do a modern wargame where you play as Turkish F-4s, and your job is to hunt down Russian cruise missiles fired at Turkey? The idea would be that F-16s defend you from Su-30s and Su-35s while you use AiM-7s on Kh-55s fired from Tu-95s

[@douglasarthur2673]

Didn't know the Teletubbies fought in Nam. Everybody's got a past I suppose.

[@lutfullahkarahanl2998]

I love you Cap! Been saying this for few years now 😂❤ anyway, i hope you live forever 🥰

[@KH990j]

You guys should redo the Vietnam era planes vs WW2 era ships now since you have F4E with Walleyes. The Walleyes would probably make that scenario more of a cakewalk.

[@grimreapers]

Yup cool.

[@fzr600dave]

You should repeat this but with F14s, then F18s and F16s and see which is better at doing dumb bomb vs smart bomb with new updates and increase A/A defensive with new planes and old planes until unsuccessful?

[@t44e6]

The DCS Vietnam map is lit.

[@Wyomingchief]

This isn't a Vietnam map, there is no DCS Vietnam map😂😂

[@tonyswan6834]

Phantoms Phorever !!!

[@paulh5027]

USMC F-4 heading to El Toro flying by the rules at the time, unseen by the DC-9 cut the cockpit in half by its tail. Like most rule change written in blood.

[@guilhermebechtinger]

Thanks cap!

[@swamprat9018]

June 6th 1971, flight 706 and f4 collision.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@Wyomingchief]

Good Lord the Bots are truly inspiring😂😂 Nah actually they're pretty damn nauseating. But hey what do you expect it's KZbin

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

Hughes Airwest Flight 706 was a regularly scheduled flight operated by American domestic airline Hughes Airwest from Los Angeles, California to Seattle, Washington, with several intermediate stops. On Sunday, June 6, 1971, the McDonnell Douglas DC-9 serving as Flight 706 departed Los Angeles just after 6 p.m. en route to Seattle as a McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II of the United States Marine Corps was approaching Marine Corps Air Station El Toro near Irvine at the end of a flight from Naval Air Station Fallon in Nevada. The two aircraft collided in midair over the San Gabriel Mountains near Duarte, killing all 49 aboard the DC-9 and the F-4 pilot; the F-4 radar intercept officer ejected and survived. The crash of Flight 706 prompted the United States Armed Forces to agree to reduce the number of military aircraft operating under visual flight rules in civilian air corridors and to require military aircraft to contact civilian air traffic controllers. I know you think I went to Wiki to copy and paste this. Nope, did it from memory. True story. (well, partly true...I did go to Wiki) lol

[@Slikx666]

So the TV part of the name is actually TV.... Leant something today. 😁👍

[@captain_kirkyt2481]

Cool!

[@user-kd2ij7te5v]

It’s great DCS shows clearly why the phantom is referred to diesel powered lead sledge. What a trail of smoke. Enemy does not need radars, I guess 😳😜

[@spebonne]

I thought the seads f4 where also carrying a load of rockeyes . They would Lure the Sam to shoot and mark the launch area shoot their shrikes. Then drop rockeyes over either the Sam site to kill the launchers or aaa sites

[@craigreimer4117]

I know you are having fun with the phantoms ,but when you swing back to ww2 how about the last part of Empire of the Sun. The P51 Mustangs shooting up the runways and skip bombing the hangers at the airfield slash prison. I'm sure you will give it the grimreapers edit to make it challenging later Cap

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

Try the same mission with the AGM 12 Bullpup. lol I just watched the tutorial with Poosh, then I went straight into DCS and never hit a target. I suppose it's like everything else in DCS, the more practice the easier it gets. This may be the exception. The amount of rage quit is strong when you flew 130 nm and hit nothing, not even the parking lot.

[@user-wl5bs5lg4l]

No smoking in the cockpit -- LAUGH!

[@user-wl5bs5lg4l]

In the video, the F4E had occasional extra puffs of dark exhaust from the engines? Is that real? Or DCS. One other questions: the NG had a base near us and the F4Es had a much different engine sound. Did they change engines later on? Thank you CAP; GrimReapers... Enjoy these videos immensely.

[@Wyomingchief]

Yeah the black smoke coming from the engine is literally what the F4 Phantom is known for. If you watch any old footage it's quite obvious

[@user-wl5bs5lg4l]

@@Wyomingchief I checked a few out; did not see it, but I believe you...

[@TylerTheDestroyer]

Honestly, looks like the planes are on rails

[@tonyswan6834]

Phuck i Love Phantoms!!!!

[@nuclearTANK]

Capt. Is the Walleye still your favorite weapon in DCS

[@grimreapers]

May be Bullpup now.

[@highonimmi]

Maybe I’m nuts but, I would have loaded nothing but napalm. Whatever is in the general vicinity would have received damage. I would’ve gone in first for fear factor (keeping the enemies heads down), inflicting maximum damage using minimal effort and allowing the rest of my team to attack other targets. I wonder if napalm ordinance was an option

[@dobster5819]

The first sead run seemed a bit off, great mission though. Thanks Cap & Boys.

[@tetraxis3011]

Ukraine suffered worse results with HAARMs. Granted the Modern Russians have my better radars and anti missile tech than Vietnam in the 60s but the Anti radiation missiles of the 60s were also terrible.

[@Wyomingchief]

​@@tetraxis3011the hell are you talking about😂😂

[@exoterric]

A6's and A6E's plz

[@dexlab7539]

EZ McEZ Face 😂😂

[@tonyswan6834]

Sliced a cable car cable somewhere i think!?

[@johnsmith-gk4td]

I think that was an Intruder in Italy. The F4 collision was in California.

[@melotronv4]

Hello my name is melo and I am new to the channel. Not sure if this is something you guys have ever done before. A battle between carriers where the fighter wings can only use guns an laser-guided bombs at altitude . So the scenario I envision a modern US aircraft carrier what is full complement of Fighters are armed with standard loadout of guns and or gun pods also armed with radar guided bombs to eliminate the enemies carrier of Chinese or Russian. No missiles whatsoever no missiles that can lock on to the carriers carriers only defense machine gun based Point defense c, Ram just curious if that's something that has ever been done

[@Wyomingchief]

Go to their playlist of Naval battles and I'm pretty sure you'll find something very similar to this on several different missions

[@melotronv4]

@@Wyomingchief thank you, I did go through all those videos and I didn't see anything similar to what I'm talking about basically modern carrier versus carrier fighting each other with their Fighters or Fighters with bombs attached attacking each other no missiles whatsoever guns only. So think of it like a World War II Type carrier battle but with modern aircrafts

[@yodaslovetoy]

Vietnam war - tv guided bombs 2024 - tv guided aircraft.....

[@svensvensson2724]

2024 - Aircraft and bomb are the same machine.

[@cowshark1232]

18 minutes!!

[@ColeDedhand]

14:09 Bombs are more effective if you arm them before you drop.

[@grimreapers]

Yup, helps.

[@captainfoxythepiratefox8874]

I would say the doing multiple runs is not the best idea, in Vietnam there was a saying to follow when doing bombings: one pass haul ass. Basically drop all your bombs and get out because the AAA would now be manned and targeting by the time your second pass come. Other than that amazing video as alway

[@galaxy11plays]

Are you not able to find the general area you want to hit and lock a random patch of ground then slew the camera around and it locks the first target you move over? you just seemed to be using the A/C controls to move the camera centre line over the target and missing multiple locks. The LLTV pod on the SU25T allows for this so i wondered if the F4 did too.

[@grimreapers]

Not this weapon.

[@marcseclecticstuff9497]

I've always loved the F4 because it was the coolest jet in the early 70's when I was growing up. It was also one of my favorite models I ever built, I think it was a Revell? kit. It was the Navy version, white body, NG on the tail, all in black. Unfortunately I really can't afford to get the DCS model right now, currently laid-off from work. The company I work for was building the steel framework for VLS then AVLS launchers for the Navy. The contracts made good money but somehow management saw it as a dead-end and sold off the division. Apparently nobody on the management team pays any attention or bothered to look into the current military situation, the world swirling the toilet due to a couple of insane narcissists starting and threatening war, and the fact the US is now putting AVLS launchers on pretty much anything in response to these a$$wipes threats, stockpiling missiles and, now being dic&heads. But hey, de-diversification is always a smart idea when you're a manufacturer. Eyes rolling into the double face palm... At least I can live vicariously thru Cap and the handsome boys he gathers round him. Today's mission was a lot of fun. Thanks Cap, you didn't kill us!

[@davidaustin1276]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_Airwest_Flight_706 Hughes Airwest Flight 706 was a regularly scheduled flight operated by American domestic airline Hughes Airwest from Los Angeles, California to Seattle, Washington, with several intermediate stops. On Sunday, June 6, 1971, the McDonnell Douglas DC-9 serving as Flight 706 departed Los Angeles just after 6 p.m. en route to Seattle as a McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II of the United States Marine Corps was approaching Marine Corps Air Station El Toro near Irvine at the end of a flight from Naval Air Station Fallon in Nevada. The two aircraft collided in midair over the San Gabriel Mountains near Duarte, killing all 49 aboard the DC-9 and the F-4 pilot; the F-4 radar intercept officer ejected and survived.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@DrTenZero]

yes..that crash happenedin CA....it was the marine base near southern CA that the phantam was out of...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_Airwest_Flight_706

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@matthewpatton8693]

To any who may care, this is the story. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Cavalese_cable_car_crash

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@jimgreen3041]

re f4 vs dc9 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_Airwest_Flight_706

[@grimreapers]

thx