How Incredibles 2 Wasted Dash, Violet and Jack-Jack

[@jackallope2200]

I think a simple thing to tack onto the further importance of Dash's track is possibly making Bob sympathize with him over a shared issue with holding back in sports. Bob and Dash are the only ones with powers that aren't immediately obvious when used, so all you would have to do is make Bob have played football or something in high school and bam, you could have a connection based around holding back even when it would be easy to go further. Bada-bing bada-boom, father-son bonding time

[@OdogRuby77]

They kind of showed that already, when Mr. Incredible returned home from his first mission incognito, and he's seen playing catch with Dash as he throws the ball super far and Dash runs super fast to catch it and run back into his father's arms in less than three seconds.

[@jairusjackson7799]

Yeah, they could have taken this dynamic between them further 100%, with Bob telling Dash this story about having to hold back when he was in high school as well. Since Bob is stuck with the kids, it would have been nice to see him bonding with them

[@windws7137]

Your pfp is crazy

[@noahboucher125]

I aways think of Helen saying, "This is not about you, Bob!" after Bob insists they let Dash do sports. That one interaction implies that Bob always wanted to compete, but his powers prevented him.

[@Thebroshow13]

I just noticed that none of the characters ever mentioned Syndrome at all even though that this movie takes place a couple of months after his death , what would have been a interesting plot point would be bob blaming himself for the supers death , bob’s pride is what created syndrome so him feeling responsible for the supers that died would’ve been a interesting plot point .

[@lifeiscats1337]

It wasn’t entirely Bob’s pride that created Syndrome. Watch Stuart Barron’s video on Syndrome.

[@Thebroshow13]

@@lifeiscats1337can you send me the link pls

[@Nic_2751]

Not necessarily, could it be an interesting idea? Yeah, we even have a deleted scene of Gazerbeam’s funeral, so it was on the table, but he didn’t entirely create Syndrome, Buddy was never able to mature and chose his path.

[@lasercraft32]

UGHHHH It would have been SO COOL if Tony _knew_ Violet's identity, but intentionally kept it secret for her. Secret identity reveals make for really fun dynamics, and having Tony openly _accept_ Violet being a super would really support the message of the first movie. But NOPE! They treat it like a joke, despite how honestly messed up it is that Tony got his own memories erased.

[@RedLeif1]

I don't think I'll ever quite forgive this movie for failing at the math part. Bob worked on insurance claims for years, which involves a lot of mathematics as you need to do the math to determine how much money the company pays per claim, given the full amount that can or can't be paid. I just can't see someone who had to work on insurance claims for years struggling with grade school math. Now Violet, that would have been more interesting. Say she was struggling with not her math homework, but her physics homework. Now THERE'S a difference. Instead of working strictly with arithmetic, now he has to understand the concepts behind what Violet is learning in order to understand the algorithms being taught. I'd also like to throw in that, unlike Bob, who mainly got around with a car and/or by jumping incredible distances, Helen got around the city by using her elasticity to launch herself (and projectiles) from place to place. Do you know what that takes to be able to do that? An advanced understanding of gravity, wind resistance, leverage, you know... PHYSICS. But oh no, Helen isn't around, so Bob needs to understand the material instead, meaning he has to obtain a better understand of how his wife's mind works in order to help his daughter. You could even have him have some flashbacks to the good old days, and have him use elements of that story to solve the current problem. I also wanted to point something else out: as I'm writing this, I think I understand a little more about single parents. They need to encompass both themselves and their spouses when raising their kids. I guess that's what this theoretical scene might help to demonstrate. Huh... when I started writing this, I didn't expect to learn something so... complex.

[@GengarLover1342]

One thing I have to say about the math aspect is that the movie is poking fun at Common Core math. This actually is a problem parents are facing where the curriculum teachers are being made to use requires them to teach math in a specific way, and solving the equations another way (like the way Bob and other parents were taught, and like the way Bob would have used it in his job) results in a failure because it wasn't done "properly".

[@dillona1001]

This video is criminally underwatched. Very good critiques. They had 14 years and countless notorious examples to know how not to write this. They put more emphasis and development on the upgraded hair animation than anything close to a plot.

[@Ghost-Toast819]

I really wanted a time skip for the sequel I considered many options for the movie and seeing the parents navigate violet in college dash in high school and jack becoming more overwhelmingly powerful by the day with his barrage of powers it would have been cool to see.

[@stuartbarron7117]

Incredibles 3 maybe? I don't know, at this point, I'm more concerned about whether Incredibles 3 will actually be good.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@stuartbarron7117 , I wanted Dash to be a professional track player since neither Smallville nor Luke Cage had the main heroes running for professional track.

[@AarnaAmbardar-n5d]

HATE INCREADIBLE 1 ANIMATION IT LOOKS UGLY BUT 2 LOOK GOOD

[@stephiis8882]

I truly think that the only reason they didn't do a time skip and age up the characters is so they could market baby Jack-Jack and sell baby Jack-Jack merch. They needed to give the audience that fan service at the expense of good story telling.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@stephiis8882 , they could've done the fan service if Violet and Tony being supermodels and bikini 👙 👙 models if they wanted to add in more fan service than the first film.

[@Moromom22]

This and Ralph breaks the internet were disappointments beyond measure.

[@MrTragedious986]

Yeah but I prefer Incredibles 2 over Ralph Breaks the Internet.

[@ErikWagner-qq5vl]

Imo Disney Wrecked This Movie is a much worse sequel than Incredibles 2.

[@KattinIsBrocken]

They wrecked both of the franchises with those sequels. Pun intended. Stick with the originals

[@MrTragedious986]

@@KattinIsBrocken Incredibles 2 has issues but it’s not as like disastrous as Ralph Breaks the Internet.

[@superninja493]

At least Incredibles 2 didn’t turn Bob into an idiot manchild

[@cameroncasio6778]

The "Jack-Jack is the best part of the movie and he's not even toilet trained" is what earned my like lol

[@superninja493]

Schaffrillas brought this up, why couldn’t Violet and Tony have a date where it’s something like The Tale of Zuko, where Violet has to hide her powers but secretly uses them to make the date a little better Edit: Your idea is really good too

[@Nic_2751]

It could be both funny but also a way to show how she’s mort confident in herself by playing around with her powers and experimenting for how much she could push them without getting in trouble

[@matityaloran9157]

11:07, honestly, Violet’s plan to pretend to be an actor playing a superhero should have been their first resort instead of erasing her boyfriend’s memory

[@07.quanghuy49]

i wish they showed the demo scene in the first movie where the babysitter girl became mindless & dull due to the effect of memory erasing, so in the second one the old man has to be more careful about it

[@matityaloran9157]

@@07.quanghuy49 To be fair, Jack Jack Attack was a DVD special feature

[@RedFloyd469]

My guess is that the lack of characterization for Dash and Violet has everything to do with the premise this movie went with as a "character focus", namely the plot significance switcheroo between Bob and Helen. Now that Bob's a stay-at-home-dad, a slight (and poorly handled, in my opinion) subversion of how his character was portrayed in the first film, the writers evidently thought it would be funny to ramp up the "teenagers are a drag to deal with" aspect a notch. Bob's struggles are essentially just comedic relief, minus the "staying up to learn math" bit which actually shows growth. Essentially, in order to play up the I guess inherent comedy of kids acting their age, both Dash and violet had to sacrifice character complexity. Dash is just a parody of an ADD riddled, attention-craving kid with far too much energy for his own good. But rather than make that into something fun and exciting like the first movie, it just got turned into a joke and nothing else. Same with Violet, whose character growth I actually really, really like in the first movie. By eliminating her character growth immediately at the start of the film (through indeed a stupid move, removing the mask.), she can become the "moody, irrationally angry at her parents despite the fact it's all her own fault anyway" stereotype of a teen girl. She definitely was also that in the first film, but at least she grew out of it out of neccesity. Ultimately, it's how I generally feel about this movie as a whole: It's just generally a comedic distraction. They thought just doing the switcheroo between Helen and Bob was enough. (as if it was even neccesary. As if Helen could only have value as a character if she was the main character, doing main character stuff instead of being true to how she was established in the first film: the best ass-kicking mom in existence.) This decision, also, in my opinion, brings down Bob's character significantly. What this movie essentially tries to imply is that Bob has never once, in his entire, what, 15-ish years of parenting, truly taken care of the kids in a way that was stressful to him. The movie tries to imply that effectively, Helen was the only functional parent, With bob serving as nothing but the guy that worked at insuricare and read the newspaper at the end of the day, ignoring his wife. Bob always struck me, in the first movie, as a deeply loving parent, who would absolutely jump off a cliff to help his family, even if in the first film his methods of doing so were a bit justifiably, sympathetically and reasonably selfish. He didn't seem like the guy that would just let Helen do all the work, but I guess I was mistaken about that. To summarize one of the many flaws of this film: In order to prop up Helen's value as a person and a character, they had to dumb down Bob's characterization and turn his scenes into comedic relief, resulting in a flanderization of Dash and Violet in return. Jack-Jack, in turn, serves as nothing but an annoying sidequest to deal with, taking up an absolutely ridiculous amount of screentime while adding nothing of genuine character to the story. (That whole raccoon fight, to me, is exceptionally grating, pointless, comedic relief that goes on for way, way too long and serves absolutely no purpose.) The first film was about the value of family over personal glory and nostalgia, which we saw through the eyes of Mr. Incredible, learning to work together and GROW together (let's not forget the STORY in our stories.) to overcome the odds. The second film was about a single member of the family getting glory for nostalgic reasons and NOT working together as a family, solving problems by accident and leaving less-fortunate and less adapted-to-the-task members of the family to do the dirty work of stuff like "taking care of the kids". It is infuriatingly disrespectful to these characters, and it's essentially treated as a joke in the film.

[@stuartbarron7117]

I'll give the movie credit that Bob would likely struggle since the problems his kids are having are issues that are coming up for the first time in their lives. Violet's first date, Jack-Jack's first powers etc. I just wish that it didn't feel like filler with no meaningful payoff in the story. Imagine if Bob slowly learned how to work alongside his kids and that made them more capable of working together in the climax. For example, if Bob learned to control Jack-Jack's powers and that helped them to defeat the Screenslaver in the climax. Instead Bob is out of commission for half the climax and barely interacts with the kids during the fight. As a side note, thanks for leaving such a detailed and thoughtful comment, especially so soon after the video has come out!

[@Nic_2751]

I really want to give the movie the benefit of the doubt loosing a year of production but at the same time so many of these ideas are much better than what they seemed to have for the final film after so long.

[@NorthernDruid]

The opening fight against the Underminer alone undermined the ending to the first movie to me. The ending shot of the family coming together as a new superhero team ushering the return of superheroes was a perfect ending shot and the discord between the parents suddenly wanting the kids to keep out of the fight was a complete tonal whiplash IMO. Anyway, the best part of the movie was the new supers, and rather than bringing back the old cast and trying to follow-up directly from a 14 year old(?) movie ending they should've focused more on this new generation figuring out how to be supers in a new era, instead of wasting them on the mind control plot.

[@randomreactionstv2721]

Did you know there is a short film that’s connected to the movie of jack jack and edna. and if shows you how she got jack jack under control.

[@DarkstarArchangel]

The way I see how it wasted the kids, I wanted Incredibles 2 to focus more on Jack-Jack than that stupid villain. The family finding out that Jack-Jack has powers should've been a whole lot bigger.

[@anlydaly5726]

I honestly hate how Jack-Jack is in this movie. He feels less like a baby and more like a toddler or young kid, there's no sense of young oblivious ignorance behind his actions anymore. He feels away to aware for what a 1-2 year old should be.

[@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967]

I'm not sure Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack were wasted in Incredibles 2. They did got a chance to shine by rescuing their parents which is my favourite part of the film. Jack-Jack did get more screentime with his powers

[@dogeshark204]

When he says that they were wasted, he means that they were wasted as characters, they have no progression as people.

[@dani-boy6420]

Elastigirl was highly wasted, in the first scenes she had potential but they just threw it out of the window.

[@lifeiscats1337]

@@dogeshark204yeah

[@CDHfilms]

What if the 3rd movie was focused on Violet Dash and Jack-Jack but mostly Violet?

[@randomguy9835]

The fact they comfirmed Incredibles 3 💀

[@channel45853]

Didn't the Incredibles 2 get screwed over by Pixar?

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Incredibles 2 got screwed over by Disney whenever Disney bought out Pixar.

[@allenj7613]

The production of the film got moved up a year from 2019 to 2018 (switched with TS4)

[@Office_chair]

Yeah a lot of people have said it lost one year in production because of toy story 4 which definitely wasn't worth it since no one was really looking forward to it unlike Incredibles 2.

[@naturegnatiggy]

Just about every sequel or remake has a video like this about it. I think the answer is that is simply cannot be done right.

[@matityaloran9157]

Puss in Boots 2 is almost universally regarded as better than the sequel

[@sailorearth2007]

Yeah they should have jumped forward in time instead of just picking up where they left off

[@wickdaline8668]

The villain of the movie was just as forgettable, too.

[@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967]

Apart from being the first female main villain in a Pixar film.

[@dani-boy6420]

Evelyn is creative, but her motive is just stupid it feels unreal.

[@isaiahvilla6691]

Syndrome was a way better Villain in my opinion because he's more memorable Hell I'll also Take Bomb Voyage and The Underminer Anyday Now despite their screen time.

[@DiegoMatos-u6u]

Both Incredibles 2 and Ralph Breaks the Internet are also my least favorite ones in their respective studios!

[@lindendrache8998]

I am glad that they did not make Dash even more annoying - they could totally have done that, his character is prone to that. I think his portion of the movie is ok. Violet's plot with Tony getting his memories erased is a bit unnecessary, but the most annoying part of the movie is Jack-Jack and the pandering towards his "merchandise-usefulness" ... I hate this character - he is absolutely unnecessary, steals screen time and is unlogical. And: He has far TOO many powers! The whole runtime of the movie I was thinking about that Jack-Jack could be the most dangerous villain ever. Why? Not even his parents can do anything against his powers. Imagine him being a problematic teenager! In my opinion the plot should have startet a few years after the first movie. The whole part with the underminer should have been taken out. The story about screenslaver is GOOD - and nobody seems to notice that this villain speaks the truth... I also like the role-swap between Helen and Bob without being too woke and feministic.

[@jeremy1860]

Disney sequels really are a hit-or-miss affair, aren't they? 😅

[@_V.Va_]

They also wasted the villain but there's already a whole video for her...

[@msoufen]

BRO, I DON’T CARE WHAT TOU SAY, BUT THIS MOVIE IS SO GOOD

[@TiashniqMiller]

It’s good as a standalone movie but as a sequel…..No. and for many reasons

[@nekonomicon2983]

I'd say it's entertaining, but I find that its prequel is overall the better movie.

[@TiashniqMiller]

@@jøy_what_riley_loves_the_most the original is close to a masterpiece though

[@jakehiebert8664]

Toy story 4 and httyd 4 kinda suck even though they got me emotional. That last scene with beard hiccup was a pretty cool scene though

[@matityaloran9157]

HTTYD 3. There is no fourth movie. There are twelve books but that’s a different story

[@SnoFitzroy]

@@matityaloran9157 THERE'S A THIRD ONE?!?

[@matityaloran9157]

@@SnoFitzroy Yes. It’s really good. It should have won the 19th Academy Award for Best Animated Feature instead of Toy Story 4

[@emmaelson6770]

What is Dash's personality? What is he interested in?

[@meta527II]

While I enjoyed this movie, Jack-Jack was annoying.

[@lavenderflowersfall280]

Rushed snd pointless heheheheh

[@GreatWideWonder]

Bro go to work 😭🙏

[@Match25]

A disappointment

[@AarnaAmbardar-n5d]

I HATE INCREADIBLE 1 ANIMATION IT LOOKS UGLY BUT 2 LOOK GOOD

[@OdogRuby77]

To be fair, The Incredibles was made in 2004 when computer animation was still evolving. So at least consider giving The Incredibles some benefit of the doubt, because it still has memorable characters, mature dialogue, and heavy topics that the sequel comes No. Where. Close to matching the aspects of its predecessor.

[@coachcherokee1488]

Dang 6 years later and people are still complaining get a life

[@sandwraith448]

People are talking about fiction since it started "existing". Of course people will talk about it. Besides criticism is needed. Thanks to this we can get much better movies in the future

[@Treeeee2008]

I know this might sound crazy to you, but a movie isn't suddenly exempt from criticism just by its age. If we neglect to look at the past just because it's the past, then we fail to be able to make any better decisions in the future.

[@solarvoid777]

Dang, Othello was written 400 years ago and people are still talking about it?

[@SonicPlayer2004]

@@solarvoid777 And I guess we can’t talk about Back to the Future because it was made in the 80’s, right?

[@solarvoid777]

@@SonicPlayer2004 was it not clear i was goofing with op lol