How Internet Drama Clouds Your Judgement: The Ueffohe Situation

[@JuniDrawz]

[THIS IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER COMMENT] Once again, I do not support Kuri / vera / ueffohe's actions in ANY WAY. She is deserving of consequence for her behavior and everyone has a right to be upset. This is the comment where I'll be posting updates on the document, updates from Kuri herself, and stuff I missed in the video. This comment will be left blank until further updates on the situation.

[@Cleared__]

This is disgusting… ew.. (I mean the person that the video is about not you dw ^.^) I hope everyone involved is getting better!!

[@DarleneGreya-ql1cx]

Is this why her accounts gone again

[@Gl-tch-Studios]

​@@DarleneGreya-ql1cxShe probably deleted them due to hate

[@spider666bro8]

I want to say thank you for making this video. I was scrolling through TikTok mining my own business and every one or two scrolls. It’s about this person. I was so confused. I wanted to know more about this person and what they did and I didn’t know what they were doing, and even if I try to look up what they did, there was no information about it I moved on with my day in my life because I got you know stuff to do instead of focusing about drama when the new year came and as usual, I scroll through TikTok again and I saw a post about you explaining this so I decided to watch it I skipped some parts but I didn’t skip the important parts cause I needed to know what they’ve done now I know what they did and I do kind of feel bad but at the same time life is life there’s weird people we got nice people and you got you know fucked up people at the end of the day I don’t harass her anybody I just move on with my day and just enjoy what I like to do is painting my RC cars for holiday theme thank you for this video. I know you probably won’t reach this comment but thanks a lot and sorry for making this long.

[@semideadnat]

I just want to comment this. Grooming isn't just about sexual behavior or getting something sexual from the victim. Often times it's just for control and creating a power imbalance. Just wanted to leave this here as a lot of people seem to be using groom incorrectly and forgetting grooming comes in many different forms with sexual grooming not just being the only ones.

[@Lotus_Package]

Ty for info ^^ ❤

[@katsu_omi]

its a shame this isnt common knowledge smh

[@semideadnat]

@katsu_omi it really is.

[@graciedavis7266]

​@@katsu_omi it really is; a lot of people are really misinformed and use the word either too much or too little.

[@ametist4604]

Ahh I see, thank you for the info (Also I love your Lilia pfp)

[@pleurnicheuse1]

Doing nsfw art in private as a teenager is one thing, but doing public nsfw comission is wildly different. You as a minor can't consent to stuff like that, that's why it's called being below the age of consent. You just don't know how you'll feel about this once your brain fully develops. No normal person wants to see child-drawn nsfw, i know it's hard to be a teen, but at this point, you're willingly surrounding yourself with creeps, and it's stupid - i'm just saying this to any teens who planned on doing it.

[@Gl-tch-Studios]

Yeah, I'm currently a teen and struggled with being hypersexual from 11-12. Using drawings like that to vent is ok but commissions are not safe and can lead to creeps following them! (つ .•́ _ʖ •̀.)つ

[@essenceofherbal4125]

Seeing children post that stuff online is depressing, theres this one artist who draws phenomenally and mostly draws inflation stuff but this artist is a minor and when I found this out I began to feel sad thinking about all the creeps taking advantage of him and people being bullies to him because of what he draws He's a nice enough kid and he draws very well but I pains me to see him go throw this kind of stuff I just hope he gets out of this mess and further improve his art and himself as a person and not post inappropriate stuff online as a minor

[@Gl-tch-Studios]

@@essenceofherbal4125 Yeah, many people don't really think that it's extremely easy (and concerning) for creeps to find a profile and target it. *Moral of the story stay safe! ♡´･ᴗ･`♡

[@6Shots_ofEspresso]

honestly, id say just dont do commissions for ppl you dont know period. im 16 and used to do discord commissions when i was 14….it was probably the worst thing ive ever done to myself tbh

[@Lotus_Package]

I couldn't have said it better myself ^^

[@yummicactus]

what up yall i got a shoutout

[@Moo_dee_]

I love your animations

[@hideyourtracks]

What on earth are you doing here I just started watching

[@DogBat]

Good for you

[@cocoa.fishie]

HIYA!! :3

[@Angelzfoodcake]

I LOVE UR ANIMATIONS AAAAAAAAA UR MY #1 FAVORITE ARTIST AND HAVE INSPIRED ME TO DRAW MORE !!!!

[@hydrannoke]

As an admin from the server, all i wish for kuri is to be better. It isn’t out of hatred, it’s out of love. Thank you for talking about this .. -anno

[@kov3t]

FOUND U ANNO

[@Thango-Mochy]

Ur not an admin bra

[@dazaixxlivv]

@@Thango-Mochyshe was an ex mod in the server

[@hydrannoke]

@@dazaixxlivv I’m a male but yes I forgot to put ex mod LOL

[@hydrannoke]

@kov3t YELLS

[@Cr1sscr0ssaplesawc3]

YOURE 15? I LOWKEY THOUGHT YOU WERE 20

[@foxes_of_venus]

IKR she's the same age as me- I know I haven't subbed yet 😅

[@YaAlien2-y6w]

​@foxes_of_venussame here

[@ChEriBommb]

How are they younger than me what

[@machimaru]

no but fr i thought the same thing ToT she just got like a mature sounding voice fr

[@handsomejin]

Ikr?! The quality of the videos is so good i thought she was older

[@Squibi-t9o]

When i was younger, around 9 or 10, i was groomed online by an older man, and he sent pictures. before i didn't know it wasn't okay, and today that affected me both consciously and unconsciously. When i was 11, i drew NSFW are of my fav characters bc i thought it was ok. Now im saving up for therapy, but for now, im paying for online therapy. Im 14. Seeing this happen to someone else is upsetting too.

[@Mothcat.]

This also occurred to me. It’s been a few years since that occurred and I want to say that it gets better. You’re very strong for wanting to get therapy and saving up for it, I wish you nothing but good things

[@Squibi-t9o]

@Mothcat. Thank you. It's hard, but i push through it.

[@LinR-531]

THIS. Ive been through similar, and I never knew how painful it could be to see almost the same thing happen to another person, and worse, not have the world take it seriously. Even tho i'm late, I just want to say that you're a very strong person, and you did not deserve what happened to you. I'm glad that you're able to seek help, and hopefully wherever you are, you're able to feel safe and cared for, and I wish the same Kuri aswell, and again sorry for being late.

[@chronosrebirth]

Me who is 15 years old, if I ever see my 11 year old sister draw NSFW, I will be extremely concerned. (Even if it were a stranger) Not hating

[@Mothcat.]

Behavior like that is extremely concerning, no 11 year old should have knowledge of nsfw content, let alone draw it. Of course boundaries and what is appropriate and inappropriate should be taught. But drawing that stuff could signify that they’re being taken advantage of by someone older, whether irl or online

[@Gl-tch-Studios]

​@@Mothcat. I don't think it often means someone in their life is taking advantage/grooming them but yes the behavior is concerning! (つ .•́ _ʖ •̀.)つ

[@McTheOneAndOni]

​@@Mothcat. Dude, most 11 year olds are already going through puberty. People that go through puberty are ALWAYS thinking about this kind of stuff. I say that because I started getting these feelings at around that age. Of course, they should keep it to themselves to keep safe, but people who aren't prepubescent anymore will get these feelings sooner or later. -an underage person.

[@Mothcat.]

@Gl-tch-Studios Definitely, should have worded it as it could be a sign but doesn’t inherently mean they’re being groomed. With how easy access to the internet is, it is possible for them to find it themselves (as I did, not fun), it’s very upsetting as those experiences hurt me quite a lot, I wish it was not a common experience

[@ihatemyself640]

Awkwardly looks around the room 😥

[@chasensei]

I feel as though people, especially young children/teens have suddenly started to lose their ability to give people, especially minors the benefit of the doubt when it comes to certain cases. Like, especially as an adult who has actively grown up in the animation meme community and commentary community, I've seen really similar or exact situations as this before, and my first thought isn't "Omg this child should be crucified and thrown to the wolves", it's usually "Wait a second, this sounds like a victim of manipulation or grooming". Unfortunately, it's been so normalized on the internet that children being exposed to suggestive content is okay, that everyone seems to forget that it really isn't normal for a child, especially an ELEVEN year old, to be producing content like that. That is almost always a reflection of who's chosen to be around them, because unfortunately, I was exactly like that at that age too (mostly from being in the gacha/animation meme community). I could actively go on a whole other rant as to why I despise how TikTok users handle situations like this, because they are almost always NEVER handled correctly. Frankly, shame on the adults in that server who actively encouraged this behavior. Shame on the adults that were the ones to start this behavior. Shame on the adults who laughed along and pretended this was okay for a child to do. Hope they get exposed themselves, because they are the dangerous ones. This isn't to say Ueffohe is innocent, in fact I think not being online or being an influencer of any sorts is healthy for them until they can get the proper help they need. Genuinely hope they get help and never repeat this disgusting and gross behavior, cause that shit is not normal in the slightest...

[@coochiefruity]

I like how the guest commentator complains about being made fun of for her disability but continues to make ableist comments (the extra chromosome comment) towards her in response 💀 what a hypocrite

[@skulledduggery]

I was kinda weirded out by that too, but apparently they only had like a day and a half to come up with their part and just kinda talked some jokes out of their ass in order to make it seem memorable according to their comments? Definitely a learning experience for next time, setting aside time for scriptwriting is important if you want to look like a competent speaker (high school beat that lesson into me with a spanish leather belt)

[@coochiefruity]

@ my god this video is just absolute ass, isn’t it? I wish they had more time to prepare because the guest speaker absolutely ruined the video 100% simply because of how hypocritical and rushed it is

[@froggycolouring]

Not to mention the “I’m in your walls” thing she said originally being an ableist phrase used towards people with schizophrenia/other mental disorders who could be triggered by it…

[@grungestars]

right

[@Lotus_Package]

I think there's a clear difference with making a edgy joke and calling someone stupid for their disability (which ueffohe has done constantly), as far as I know ueffohe isn't disabled and doesn't have to deal with real life struggles I as an disabled person do face, I'm also Serbian and genuinely don't know what you westerners deem as "too much" or "offensive" since over here us disabled people are allowed to make fun of ourselves

[@Revlz-v3z]

Can I just say, if they were 13-12 when this art happened or gacha that would mean that, they have been shown this NSFW stuff or something has been going on at that time which does very concern me and probably everyone else. They were brave enough to expose themselves and they now understood that they did wrong, you won't see a lot of creators expose themselves. I do wish they could help some help if they really and I mean need it. Take the time with the document your doing amazing

[@AmeizeeCoS]

I think instead of people immediately hating on someone for their actions, we should ask ourselves why they did it in the first place. What if they didnt know it WASNT ok to show minors nsfw? What if they had another deep reason for their actions? Its not okay even if its an accident. People should think about what they are doing, and how its gonna affect them or others first. That is one very important thought. Why?

[@dreamyfeffy]

This entire situation is so? Heartbreaking in a lot of ways. Curry done a lot of seriously mentally damaging things to both herself and especially other people and it's so awful idk. I hope everyone involved gets help and they all stay away from social media for a while. Social media when you're a kid is already incredibly dangerous but especially the gacha space from what I've noticed.

[@DekoraRui]

Never ask another short form content creator for their input if their input wasn't that good with bad jokes please, I'm not sure why you even left it in but I won't shrug off your hardwork for this video. Unfortunately it's becoming common for children to draw nsfw and I'm disgusted really,my friend's little sister who was 12 drew nsfw too and I was one of the kids who used to be like that. Now I'm an older teen with my lines on whether a sexual thing good or bad very blurred cuz of it,but I managed. Kid or not , showing nsfw to minors or doing content with it in a place where minors can easily saw it is never an acceptable thing anyways..

[@kittencomicslol]

I feel so bad for her, curry is obviously a victim in this. Minors don’t see other minors as ‘minors’. It’s not predatory in intention. Of course it’s wrong but they need to be educated and need to get help for the things they have been through.

[@haru_luvx]

53:16 im sorry this is very off topic loved the vid btw but the random "SUBSCRIBE" scared me so bad while i was drawing😭

[@ИдаХейккинен]

same😭😭

[@valerievalentinesz]

real😭

[@solarichan]

ME TOO(messed up my lineart I will cry)

[@aleksandrawiatr4190]

LMAOO SAME I WAS DRAWING TOO

[@chicken1459]

even without being aroace clling strangers on the internet “mommy” and “sexy” is offputting

[@Lotus_Package]

THANK YOU, it is genuinely extremely uncomfortable and only people that are allowed to even utter those words are my family and friends (in a joking manner ofc), idk why it's so hard to explain to people that this is weird 😭

[@DeathOfAnExecutionerr]

One of my ex friends used to call me mommy occasionally, Thats how I found out how disgusting it feels to be talked to like that. Never letting that happen ever again

[@someone9814]

that off handed comment about chromosomes is definitely not it..😬😬nothing like casual ableism to make you feel like the bigger person, huh? not even defending the person drawing CSEM but boy, ableism certainly isn’t the right response.

[@someone9814]

36:04 btw for those wondering

[@Lotus_Package]

You are aware I'm disabled, right?

[@B4sil_88]

@@Lotus_PackageHi, I am too, but that doesnt mean insults like this are ok. Its very petty and comes off of immature when talkimg about serious topics

[@Lotus_Package]

this is my 1st time making a long formed video on a serious topic ^^, I usually stick to trends and I had only 1 and a half day to make my part, it's not the best but nothing in it is intended to be taken with malice, since I had only 12 minutes I wanted to make my part as Memorable as possible so yea I kinda shoehorned in a lot of jokes since that's the only kind of content I know how to make, thank you for your feed back tho I appreciate it :D

[@B4sil_88]

Thank you for taking my comment well, and hope you are doing well considering what you went through

[@alexstilldraws]

not to be rude but you make these types of videos so calming compared to other channels- 😭

[@k1dd1spog]

Thank you, Juni and Lotus for all your guys' hard work on covering this issue, giving your side/opinion on things, as well as informing people that Kuri is, in fact, still a minor and is a clear victim of grooming herself, while still needing to be educated and held accountable for her poor decision making/ past problematic behavior. Extra thank you to Juni, again, for handling this in a proper and levelheaded manner despite the hell storm of hate everyone's been giving Kuri and the others involved in this situation. The team and I are still working on the document and we appreciate your patience (as well as everyone else who need more information) regarding it and apologize for the wait as we are all handling other priorities at the moment but we assure you, we are actively working on cleaning it up + adding proof and testimonies from those involved to the best of our abilities! - BJ

[@Lotus_Package]

Thank you BJ and yea Juni genuinely did an amazing job at covering this and I'm thankful she gave me a place to speak ^^

[@Kaileighblue]

Something genuinely needs to be done about minors drawing adult art, especially those that young. Like you need to be taught that you're setting yourself up to be taken advantage of by adults. Stop encouraging each other to see nsfw as normal so you don't grow up to end up a spiral into worse and worse crap and then you're an a cult.

[@midwxnter..memento]

man I loved Ueffohe so much, it makes me so upset seeing the things that went down with her.

[@shinypaintf588]

WTF UR 15?? I'm 19 wtf I had no idea you were so young, you're doing a great job with ur videos omg

[@juliesgottacosyt]

Ough, normally don't comment on this account, but the respecting religion comment reaaaally threw me off. I agree with almost all of what you said in the rest of the video, but that comment made me feel really icky. As a religious person myself, everyone deserves respect. Yes, I am perfectly aware that not everyone is going to be my religion. Yes, I am perfectly aware that not everyone is going to respect it. No, I am not going to stand by and pretend it's normal. It's the same as saying disrespecting someone's pronouns and identity is okay because not everyone is going to accept it. Sure, a lot of people don't believe in transitioning, but that doesn't mean it is okay for them to go out of their way to disrespect someone. If someone's belief isn't actively harmful, then it deserves respect. Claiming otherwise is innane. I completely agree that this point should ultimately be moot in the grand scheme of all the allegations, but that comment just made me feel really gross.

[@akiraohalloran]

Pronouns and religion are entirely two separate things that aren't comparable. A religion is a choice, being trans isn't. Also disrespecting a religion doesn't mean they're disrespecting a religious individual. But misgendering someone is directly disrespecting the individual.

[@akiraohalloran]

@@juliesgottacosyt I never said religion wasn't a part of one's identity. I said that gender and religion are not comparable because one is a choice and one isn't. I'm merely pointing out that if someone says "I'm not a fan of religion" that isn't a personal attack, but misgendering someone is. That doesn't mean there can't be disrespect towards a religious individual, if someone walked up to a religious person and said "you're dumb for being x religion" then that wouldn't be okay either. But generally not liking religion and criticizing it isn't a personal attack. Making memes of Greek mythology doesn't mean someone will go up to a person that believes in the Greek Gods and tell them mean things. There's more nuance in this.

[@juliesgottacosyt]

@@akiraohalloran Deleted the other comment because I realized how harsh I came off and that my points weren’t articulated as well as I wanted them to be. I’m really sorry I accidentally took my crummy mood out on you. I think we’re making two separate points here, though. You are completely right about the nuances here, and that you cannot treat people’s tolerance - for a lack of a better word - of them exactly the same. I was not denouncing that the art is pretty inoffensive. Is it my cup of tea? No, but that doesn’t mean that it’s inherently bad, and it also doesn’t mean that someone’s evil for liking it. The point I’m trying to make is that religion and gender identity are comparable in the sense that they both deserve respect. You can not be a fan of something while respecting it. Everyone is deserving of respect, and it frankly baffles me that the creator said otherwise. Am I a fan of Satanism, for example? No; but that doesn’t mean I’m going to think lower of the people who do believe in it, treat them as lesser than, or make fun of them for worshipping who a lot of religious consider the devil. In the same sense, I am not going to treat a trans person as lesser than or make them feel small by misgendering them, because that’s what it means to show respect for something. I apologize again for being harsh and if I didn’t articulate this clearly in my original comment.

[@akiraohalloran]

@@juliesgottacosyt That's all good! And I believe we have quite a similar point of view in terms of not disrespecting someone on the basis of their religion. I can get into crummy moods too, that's just life and I won't hold that against you. We're all human at the end of the day. ^^

[@BatBitesTheBat]

But they never said it was okay, they said it wasn't as big of a deal as the illegal stuff and that people were being too dramatic

[@Anthology789]

Hi I’m in the ueffohe server and EVERYONE is making fun of ur art and stuff without even watching your video (I obviously don’t agree with it)

[@ecc14]

holy crap, thats insane

[@alexv3372]

Are you kidding me How tf are they still doing it? And shouldn’t they watch the whole video???

[@salt_56]

fr ?

[@frogmanjr]

Of course they are yikes, bunch of idiot kids trying to be edgy, they lack the attention span to watch even a 5 minute video

[@Anthology789]

@@alexv3372 yeah idk I have screen shots and everything they’re mostly making fun of Lotas tho they were making fun of her art and stuff

[@eujogounocombem-te-vis]

the 2 dislikes are the evil juni clones

[@Lotus_Package]

Probably

[@artsystem3844]

As an 18 year old adult, with the nsfw stuff came out I was completely concerned. But since when I found out their account was deactivated at the time so I couldn’t ask to help them. I am completely worried and I’m hoping they are okay

[@InfiniteX-b4d]

Fr like this is concerning behavior (Also we are the same age omg!)

[@artsystem3844]

@ it fr is, and people saying an 11-13 year old should know better? Like what? They’re a child. Their brain isn’t fully developed yet. I understand shaming a 16-17 year old but a a 14 year old? That’s a kid they don’t know better.

[@bugdoesstuff1944]

I'm almost through this video, and I think it was done very well and phrased in an educational and kind manner. however, Lotus's comment about Kuri having an "extra chromosome" was SUPER ableist??saying that since Kuri did some weird and dumb stuff she must have down syndrome? i understand it was a joke, but it was incredibly insensitive and gross to say

[@coochiefruity]

@@bugdoesstuff1944 nah man just look at my comment and the way she argued about it… it literally makes it 100x worse

[@bugdoesstuff1944]

@@coochiefruity that's actually so crazy?? "well ueffohe also said stuff about disabled people!!! also it was just a joke!" babe what's the punchline? what's the gag? other than that people with down syndrome are stupid because that's EXACTLY what she said... that's actually wild

[@lazy-frog]

When I saw lotus in the thumbnail I nearly had a heart attack

[@Lotus_Package]

LOL ❤

[@ZGC.01]

Ok so, as a teenage artist(15 specifically), I'm glad you talked about this topic. (TW!! ATTEMPTED GROOMING MIGHT BE MENTIONED!!) recently, i was 'friends' with a "17" year old- we'll call them kat- i shared an oc with them. A little thing about Kat is that they "had a crush on me" so uhm, it was interesting. Constantly trying to be my "online sister/mother" or date me, I ignored and kept it platonic luckily, but now for the reason i really made this comment. One time well drawing and chatting, they requested drawing nsfw of our oc, which when i declined, kat said "oh sorry i just wanted to see her b--bs." Which i suppose wouldn't be wrong (IF I WEREN'T A MINOR) since our oc is an adult. Buuut it wasn't long till they tried to pressure me to drawing both me and the oc in nsfw. This was only 2 months ago, but since then i stopped talking. Watch out for who you talk to online! And stay safe!❤️ :) (i apologize if this was confusing or against community standards-!)

[@Lotus_Package]

I'm sorry this happened to you and thank you for sharing, we genuinely need more stories like this out there, I hope your safe now ^^❤

[@ZGC.01]

@Lotus_Package thank you ^^❤️

[@kov3t]

seeing my old fanart for kuri (back when i used to be a fan and none of this was out) on KZbin on your channel that i just recently been following sure was a jumpscare 😭

[@Jitten95]

Hai bestie

[@kov3t]

@Jitten95 bestie jumpscare hello

[@Lukewarm-Cocoa]

I think I have a little bit of insight into why children were "ok" seeing and spreading NSFW. I was in the gacha community from 2019-early 2022 (6th/7th grade-9th grade for me). Some background information on the gacha community is how rampant NSFW was for YEARS. Part of this is because children would see it on accident on youtube, because it wasn't even in warnings for a while, and kids who wanted to become popular would replicate it. The gacha community also thrived on "spreading awareness" about things by really just romanticizing topics, so kids became very desensitized to a lot of topics they should really not be. Almost everyone in the community from before or during 2021 had at least seen one video of NSFW in it, even if they didn't want to, and it screwed up a lot of kids. While I don't know for sure if Ueffohe had seen this and it was the direct cause (I don't know her personal life or what she watched), this might give a little bit of context about how widespread NSFW topics were for a while in the community.

[@fuzziestoffrawgs]

I agree with you about the "disrespecting religion" part of the video. I never understood why ppl made it seem like its as bad as committing a crime...like obviously it's rude but it's not that big of a deal. If someone disrespecs your religion just don't interact with them. Edit: ppl are being too overdramatic about Locus' part of the video

[@Darlingcheese]

Im going to be honest, i really loved how you handled the video, but Lotus's part felt very off putting to me. Just. Slightly petty? Like ig theyre not smth id watch on my own but it felt very childish and agressive unlike the rest of the video.

[@B4sil_88]

I totally agree, plus the random insult about the chromosome reallyyy was unnecessary

[@Lotus_Package]

Yeeaaa this is my 1st time doing a long form content video and nothing in it is intended to be malicious, I kinda tried putting as much jokes as I can to keep people's attention 😅, also I didn't have a script and made the video in less then 1 and half days, if you don't mind sharing I wanna listen about what I can improve on if I ever decide to make another one ^^

[@Darlingcheese]

@Lotus_Package I don't think jokes are necessarily a bad thing, but this topic felt like it was trying to be a lil more serious and your part def tried to play more into a silly side that felt completely diffrent from the rest of the video. I don't personally make yt videos, but a script would probably be a good idea!! I'd ask advice from other creators though, idk if I'd have the best assistance ^^; Just from a viewer perspective, it went from being serious to just insulting them. Your bad experince with them is valid, but it was a hard watch for the continous insults. Ig their writing in the message you read off also wasn't great which made the entire message they wrote really difficult to listen to.

[@Lotus_Package]

​@@Darlingcheese yea- it was difficult to read too 😭 (Actually I did that reading segment in one take and it seemed to be the most liked part of my video)

[@cateatinglasagna3069]

As someone who was shown nsfw through gacha at a young age, I can kinda sympathize and relate in a way. Obviously I didn’t make cp or posted anything nsfw but i did consume stuff like that and it really affected me. I hope Kuri gets the help they need and I’m glad they understand now how wrong their actions were.

[@LinR-531]

Idk if u guys are aware, but ueffohe/Kuri/Vera has made a 3rd apology video, It explains a lot. including her truama. If you haven't already, I rlly think you guys should check it out

[@SabDaArtist]

Thank you for the video and the warning^^ Love the art and I hope you get more recognition

[@Lotus_Package]

Thank you 🥲💞 Edit: One thing I've ever asked from Ueffohe is to apologise to me, I am still open to an actual heart felt apology but I don't believe I'll ever get one from her, tho however I hope she gets better moving forward and that she actually improves since she is incredibly talented and I've been always saying this For anyone reading this I hope yall are safe ^^ ❤

[@Lazygirlypop]

1 min ago hiii

[@6.KONI.9]

22 mins ago, HIII

[@Kaiju.dragons]

IM WATCHING THE VIDEO IM WATCHING THE VIDEO 😭😭😭 DONT TAKE MY NOODLES

[@Lotus_Package]

​@Kaiju.dragons good 👹🫵

[@Kaiju.dragons]

@ AAAH SPOOKY 😱😱😱

[@Kris.The.Rat.2006]

I’m just gonna say it your art style looks so delicious. I love it.🍮

[@Cleared__]

Daisuke pfp spotted 👀👀

[@Kris.The.Rat.2006]

@ 🍮

[@doubleh333lix]

so i am like a minute in and this is a bit insensitive but oh my god their name is ufo. that has finally clicked. i feel so dumb edit: i didnt even realize that kuri** was this young. i’m 20, i lived through the deviantart ranting community, its sad to see a bunch of people piling on a child for showing clear signs of being in an unsafe situation.

[@pinguinking8996]

thankyou for helping Kuri, bieng so young she really needed someone to talk too. bieng so young and drawing that was and still is rather concering so i am glad someone looked out for her. now lets hope she takes it and stops with what she is doing

[@objfool]

this reminds me of what happened to me recently i was 13 when i said a bubbles guppies outfit looked like a prostitues (i am currently 15 and i know now it is wrong, along with other things) and a year later when i was 14, i was called a pedophile for this claim. this is by a friend group thats half disbanded. i am banned from a community along with my boyfriend for me "saying a cp joke", which wasnt right at all. my boyfriend was listed as defending it, which didnt happen. all he said was ew but no kill after learning i had daid the bubble guppy thing a year later. They decided to team up with someone who made me and my partner uncomfortable (another story) and found abandoned nsfw accounts that we moved on from because we knew it was wrong, yet it was still used against us. That same friend group constantly made racist jokes (most that made them were white) and one of them (who was white) had to be jokingly physically restrained from saying the n word.I dont condone my past actions nor their actions, however this was a horrible thing to do. im so glad that im not the only one who had this happen and i severly regret my actions in the past, even if not as severe or bad.

[@leavemealone802]

Hey... just a fyi Could you next time show what those abbreviations mean? I am not a english speaker, and i cant tell what Cxp, Csem and S/h mean I dont think they will be triggers, but it is hard to know if i should skip this video, if I dont know what it is

[@maxwellsweirdzoinker]

Im not sure what CXP means, but CSEM stands for Child Sexual Exploitation Material and S/H means self harm

[@Official.N04hXYT]

Pretty sure cxp is explicit child content (can't say the real word cause I don't want the comment to get deleted)

[@literalastro._1]

Cxp means what we will call cheese pizza. Cheese pizza is child "content" which i cant say on here. It is pretty much illegal (unless an oc or a character who isnt real, unfortunately.)

[@doubleh333lix]

i mean this kindly, but you can google “abbreviation meaning” and any of the ones you don’t know. it brings up a lot of good info

[@twisted_pretzles]

40:02 BUILT LIKE A YOYO BALL IM CRYING

[@Lotus_Package]

I'm glad I was able to make it entertaining

[@valerievalentinesz]

DESPICABLE ME LOOKING SELF 😭💀WHAT R THEY GOING ON ABOUT???

[@twisted_pretzles]

@@Lotus_Package no but srs what were they on

[@_bunnycorn_]

wtf is that dr seuss ahh poetry 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏 istg this is so goofy ass

[@Lotus_Package]

​@@twisted_pretzles if i knew I would tell you 🥲 but I genuinely don't

[@eeedndjdhd7173]

This is in relation to the "first thoughts" thing about 14 minutes in. ( timestamp for yall: 14:00 ) My first thought was "ew, gross, who would draw that?" However, I didn't know this person's age when I heard what they drew. Now that I know, I'm deeply concerned about this behavior.

[@anomalousanimates]

38:42 she tried to pack but forgot that you can't do that in text form, the tone doesn't show

[@Lotus_Package]

Like pack god 😭.? Even with that there's so many grammar mistakes it kinda defeats the purpose

[@anomalousanimates]

@@Lotus_Package yes like pack god

[@donellekirton8929]

bro ngl i sobbed when i heard about this THEY'RE MY INSPO OMFG!!!!

[@fwep903]

This situation sounds irresponsible Is like I’ve heard everyday drama And this video really explains well on what the hell is going on I honestly idk who is this girl but listening to this half way through the video while drawing at the same time you can already tell this situation is just another person who just immature and handle things irresponsibly. I hope this person learns better in the future. And also i hope she is doing well in school.

[@Vivee_Doodles]

I started reading along with the Ueffohe poetry

[@Lotus_Package]

Lol 😭

[@Entrooooopyy]

What has the black and white oc creators have done now…

[@Dingus-69420]

Bruh don’t categorize them and assume all people who draw like that are bad. People keep doing that and it’s pissing me off. “The (blank) fandom is so” and “The Art community is so” stfu. Stop judging people for the actions of others. Just because they have something in common.

[@DogBat]

@@Dingus-69420bruh its a joke

[@wait_thisisntmybedroom]

@DogBat -makes joke about something offensive- -gets reasonable hate for it- "woah dude calm down it's just a joke ahaha!"

[@Entrooooopyy]

@@Dingus-69420why you so mad bro

[@Yurieeee]

​@@Entrooooopyy They're just experiencing their opinion or rather a fact

[@jasperdrawings]

I wish I could say this is a new thing- it isn’t though. I knew kids who showed their friends shock sights when they were young. Anyone remember 2girls 1cup? Basically WHERE THE F*CK ARE THE PARENTS!

[@Ann_Sunny2011]

That's what I am thinking!

[@Lotus_Package]

Yea 😭 unlimited Internet access can fuck up a person

[@Nik0__]

I know none of these people and havent been in both the art and gacha community for years but goddamn this is insane

[@thekidnextdoor-lv5fi]

I hate how nobody is saying how they can LITERALLY go to jail for making cp no matter the age and I hate how they blamed it on being hyper sexual because it MORALS you don’t do that it’s actually weird and utterly unacceptable I don’t care if your art is cool or your also a kid it’s utterly unacceptable.

[@LinR-531]

I completely agree that what happened is unacceptable, but technically no she cannot go to jail for what she did. While I say this, no I am not saying that this is any better, but she did not draw actual cp, what cp is, is s3xual exploitation of REAL minors, and the minors that she drew were fictional charachters/oc's. Again this does not make it any better, and it's still punishable. But at the age she did it, and considering the characters were fiction, she cannot go to jail for it. Also I feel like people should stop throwing around the word "cp" when it comes to this situation, again because cp/csam refers to ACTUAL children being exploited. But yet again, this behavior is still punishable.

[@luckyslob3359]

I feel like if a teen makes nsfw art, they should keep it to themselves while checking with their parents (or the best trusted adult) just to make sure they’re good mentally n stuff.

[@DaikonDev_]

can we blame the parents?

[@r4zc4l]

was waiting for you to make something about this 😭🙏

[@Monikalollxx]

I jumped for joy hearing bre draws!!

[@Lotus_Package]

Bro Bre is so cool 🥹✨️ I reached out to her 1st about the story and she directed me towards juni

[@Monikalollxx]

@ she’s such a amazing KZbinr!!! I love both of your content lolz

[@Lotus_Package]

Aw 😭❤

[@JulioSilly889]

I JUST WANTED TO ENJOY AN ARTIST THAT ISNT PROBLEMATIC AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@andromeda_is_rad]

Lotus’ segment is magnificent. I am a different person now.

[@Lotus_Package]

Lol 😭, this is my 1st time doing a long form content collaboration and I was trying to make it as entertaining as possible since idk how else to do it

[@andromeda_is_rad]

@@Lotus_PackageHOLY SHIT?! You ABSOLUTELY succeeded. I mean you managed to fuse together comedy and the seriousness pretty well! Especially the long winded reading of whatever the hell that message was had me in stitches omg 😭😭

[@eliza_gameing6911]

to be honest for the lotus thing as much as she said that she's getting harassed for her character having titties is not the case some of her videos are actually suggestive and lotus hardly realized it though on the other side harassing her bullying her making fun and drawing her dead pets are insanely rude and disrespectful for her and ger dead pets. and she is still probably grieving about that pet. honestly blue meowbahh is in the wrong rightfully

[@lye_solution]

catholicism is a christian denomination. not a separate religion

[@totori.11]

I just started watching,, ( off topic ) but this is like the longest rant video I've seen on youtube XD

[@Dr.Loudpack]

Honestly I think your take about it being okay for kids or young teens to draw NSFW content is pretty bad. I get that they'll probably do it anyway,Im not gonna act like its not gonna happen if I say its not okay,but imo thats not an excuse to be okay with it. Drawing that stuff online for validation in itself as a young teenager is already a horrible sign. I should know because I used to frequently engage with NSFW content as a young teenager and I lowkey wish I hadnt because I shouldnt have been engaging in that stuff in the first place and its only had negative effects on me. So in my honest opinion,just because a minor will probably be curious and look at adult content if they have unrestricted internet access,i don't believe in the fact that its okay for them to do that stuff privately or publicly. ESPECIALLY publicly.

[@gensaidkys]

I used to be her friend, after her apology on TikTok she went and slandered people in her discord server for pulling her up about her actions..

[@Mossbear_creates]

Ngl lotus struggling to read was kinda funny

[@Lotus_Package]

The misspellings didn't help when you're dyslexic and have English as your 3rd language ^^

[@socksxoxo]

You said this video is for mature audiences, and in the video you talk of nsfw artwork, and yet you're 15? Im sorry but why are you, a literal child, trying to discuss this. Aren't you inherently putting yourself in danger by getting involved? Why not pass on the message to actual, trustworthy adults that can help. I don't comment this to be rude, it just seems like a bad idea??

[@MidnightCapricorn2696]

Minors in commentary, man... this is just yet another recurring thing on this side of youtube.

[@MysRyuza]

FR THE MATH AIN'T MATHIN. That's like being a minor whining about kink when kink is not for kids. This comment should be pinned.

[@doubleh333lix]

seems like literally everyone involved in the situation is under 16, so to them they probably are the mature audiences.

[@doubleh333lix]

@@MysRyuzausually when minors ‘whine’ about kink it’s because they keep getting exposed to it 💀

[@MysRyuza]

Internet drama makes you wonder what is really morally right or wrong. It fucked me up for several years. Its even more confusing when there are people who have been victims of SA, but have opposing views on the same topic. Also, why are we having a minor talking about adult topics in a video?? It just... doesn't make sense? I can't stand how people use "i was a teen i didn’t know better" as a deflection point because it pushes the idea that minors are inherently stupid. (They are not)

[@ZipperSplatling]

38:40 wow thats the peakest thing i ever saw my eyes are BLESSED (not) even tho i cant expect that much of a response from a minor, im YOUNGER and i would not do that 😭 jokes and stuff aside, i hope kuri just takes a break or gets off the internet and i wish kuri AND anyone effected by them a good mental heal th status,,, yeah

[@Lotus_Package]

Yea I hope she genuinely get off of Internet since its clearly not good for her, even tho I was making jokes I do whish for the wellbeing and for her to actually get help

[@somebudys]

Heya - admin from The bat cave. Boosting the vid by commenting ^^ (also Lotus part WAS HALLARIOUS 😭)

[@Lotus_Package]

EMOTIONAL SUPPORT LESBIAN AAAA 🥹💗

[@ziloleepic3390]

@@Lotus_Package is that a tongue or a heart emoji

[@ziloleepic3390]

oh its a heart

[@chicken1459]

MEOWBAH?!? IN 2025 IS CRAZYY

[@grey.themusiccat]

WAIT LOTUS IS AROACE!!!!!??? I DIDNT KNOW THAT!!!!!!!! LOTUS IS SO BASED FOR THAT!!!!!! (i love their content too)

[@Lotus_Package]

YEEE AND TYYY ❤❤❤

[@grey.themusiccat]

@@Lotus_Package !!!

[@hyunasgirlfriend]

unrelated to everything discussed in the video but i was redrawing the i depend on you thing while watching this and when i realized your speed paint was of the same thing i was like "no way" what a coincidence lol

[@wonder.ko1]

off topic but, NAH BRO CUZ KURI'S RESPONSE TO LOTUS'S CALLOUTS MADE ME LAUGH MY ASS OFF. I'm sorry but ain't NO WAY kuri thought the message will make someone mad. on topic tho, condolences to the victims and kuri, the internet is a scary place

[@Lotus_Package]

I'm glad yall found my botched reading funny 😭❤

[@wonder.ko1]

@@Lotus_Package NAH IT WAS STELLER MY MOM WAS ASKING ME WHY I WAS LAUGHING SO HARD LOLLL

[@H4nn0_]

off topic but this artstyle was so pretty it made me want to try it as you spoke😋

[@chicken1459]

i feel like kids below 15 shouldn’t have access to the internet, and if they did it should be supervised/monitered by their guardian and limited (heavily, they’re barely out of middle school/still in middle school). and from 15 to 18, learn how to navigate the internet, but still with supervision but less than before since they are mature enough to understand how the internet is. both stages though do need open communication, trust, and understanding between the child and guardian. and 18 onwards they’re legal adults and should be able to have full control, since at that point they should be mature enough to handle it and understand fully.

[@sres4]

No WAY i loved their animations on tiktok an even have some of them reposted i never would’ve thought 😭

[@totallynotsyren]

14:01 honestly i was definitely a fan of the uffeno or howrver you spell their name but im genuinely confused in wete they stated their age because i didnt know they were a child-

[@hoshiworks_aster]

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING HORRIFYING????

[@Lotus_Package]

Yea 😭

[@mina.suki_]

the fact that she has done such disgusting actions is insane. even drawing nsfw of a minor. she maybe have been young back then too but that's still no excuse.

[@View_V1]

Finally someone made a video on this! People on tiktok just won't tell us on what did she do and why she's canceled. Edit: I didn't watch the whole video, don't jump on me please😭

[@NyxieAus-j3f]

The fact I made kuri fanart the day before she made the callout post idk if I should laugh or cry (Alos aline stage mentioned in the lotus section)

[@aciduction]

why was lotus being so extra? i understand being upset but they could've told their story in a better way but instead it just came off as annoying and arrogant

[@Snvfkinchu]

yeah! if these are such serious things, why make a much of jokes and stuff? I get that Lotus had like a day to make their part but they could of taken it a bit more seriously? Them laughing about everything was so distracted and made things a bit hard to follow.

[@dani_wetrust]

They defend pumpkin gentlemen actions so it’s no surprise . 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@Lotus_Package]

​@@dani_wetrust oh yea before I knew what happened- that was completely on me 😭🙏, I shouldn't have jumped to defend him before I knew the full situation and none was giving me info about it at the time

[@dani_wetrust]

@@Lotus_Package When were you informed because you were not so long ago ((like a month ago if i remember possibly more recent)) defending him even more lmfao ? you seemed to be aware of what he’s done aswell, reading from what you said defending him.

[@Eli_the_fiend]

This is the reason I won't let my kids have internet access until they're 18.

[@Lotus_Package]

That's smart ❤

[@sanicinapanic4264]

@@Lotus_Packageeh 18 is extreme. I’d say 15-16 is a good age rather then till there an adult In which it’s less “allowing internet access” and more you can stop them from gaining access

[@Shr0nk.]

Most kids with lots of restrictions will get around it one way or another. Keeping an open conversation and lots of monitoring is best in my opinion.

[@chicken1459]

@@Shr0nk. and with trust with each other and a safe relationship also helps a lot

[@Shr0nk.]

@@chicken1459 yes absolutely! That’s what I meant by “open conversation” though I’ll admit that wasn’t very clear. Tbh I was too tired to verbalize that I appreciate ur reply

[@gemmiebear2532]

Crazy to think I’m also 15 and probably older than these people (some) this whole thing is insane.

[@Miss_menhera_gutz]

wait until you see Nyoka. his drama traumatized me badly...

[@dorobarbie]

35:52 lmao I remember this shit I think I commented on her video that she will live after seeing your video ( TikTok is cursed tool

[@KELSEY-v3f]

38:43 she has such a way with words 🤩

[@TrashyPeachy_]

Absolute cinema 🗿

[@Lotus_Package]

Ty ty ☺️

[@SuperNova_550]

What is she saying?

[@SilkMoth-w1c]

Youre the first person ive seen directly say they had drawn art of a real person. So thank you for that. I personally dont give a damn about drawings of fictional beings. So when i first heard claims of csem i just rolled my eyes cuz tiktok is full of the most melodramatic. But art of a real person/sona is actually problematic. I was more concerned about the fact a PRETEEN even thought about drawing stuff like that.

[@_pierr0t]

hello! may i ask the background music name? i really like it.

[@freeNyxiOnPaws]

a 11 minutes in I was disgusted I'm like 10 years old and I haven't even tried to draw nsfw I have been through SA so I don't want to disgusted my self with nsfw they really need help drawing that much at the age of 13! I do not support or hate this artist

[@furi_xvm]

lotus reading such a piece of poetry with chaotic classic music on the background was so *chef kiss* **pure cinema**

[@Lotus_Package]

Lol ty 😭

[@emanuelo4984]

Thank you

[@chicken1459]

VPRE OF YOUR FRIEND’S CAT IS INSANE OMG

[@najix910]

it got so bad that it even reached gacha youtubers

[@Baebaechu23]

HEHEHHEHEHHEHEHHEHEHHE I CAME FROM THE SERVER!!!!!!

[@Lotus_Package]

HEHEHEHEHE❤

[@Sovlstrr]

Was decently well until you had Lotus on. Just throwing hypocrisy and incessant whining onto an already flaming situation of shit.

[@penaconysdream]

I've never agreed with a comment more oh my god.

[@Katsu_.Karusakashi]

Sigh... Gacha community will never get a rest

[@alphapopcreator7113]

1:26 if this situation needs to be taken seriously, than why is ur guest talking as tho it’s light, bring petty stuff into this, there was no need to include that response that kuri made and take minutes to read it out loud in a serious video, It threw the video off. The usage of the word CS3M is out of place, if you were sure that this fell under that category, you would have properly reported it to the FBI who are more than capable of handling such a serious issue, and the fact that the writers were sent 5 of them is very much people distributing illegal content which is itself illegal. BUT, Gacha heat DOENST fall under such a category, since it is in such a style that determining age just by looking is hard. You should have focused on how these persona is not directly the person, but still represents them which is the morally fuçked up part. Because truthfully speaking, who other than the kid and the ones who want to fućk the kids persona will see that image? I think this should be handled by adults, not by 15yr olds. If u claim it to be that bad, you shouldn’t endanger urself to “solve” or get “involved”, it should be handed to proper adults

[@Marriedtofictionalmen]

Thanks

[@Allandacky]

Also a thing to remeber kids who are in puberty age or sometimes younger can also draw nsfw stuff wich is mainly for themselves, some are yes interessted in sexual topics and want to do them (i know wtf how, just lemme say kids can be horney too and do weird shit I should know I knew people like that) its not good but yes hypersexual kids exist and they often go under the radar