How is "Armor" calculated? {Ror2 Mythbusters}

[@spafnar]

Mistake on Mithrix too after looking at it closer: He only removes shattering justice. The Scorpion stacks disappear for a brief moment but they reappear with the full amount of stacks.

[@sergeylukin9111]

I realy hope ppl start use bucklers and stop grumbling about Collaps damage. same about Eclipse 8 permament damage. also hope ppl start use Opal from eclipse 3.

[@emeraldmay3612]

yo i didnt know RoR2 had a runescape graphics option. Jokes aside, lovely video, very comprehensive

[@m4rcyonstation93]

I can relate, pc can’t run ror2 well lmao I have the LDR(?) set to max though for sundered grove

[@narottamakarunanidhi1731]

My gpu can handle games nicely but the thing is, my cpu is a first gen i7... Games that needs alot of cpu power like ror2 plays like a powerpoint presentation even at lower stages lol

[@shawnbarton3670]

It's important to note that even though removing armor from and enemy doesn't scale well and is limited to 2X damage, stacking armor on yourself is extremely effective and scales much better even into the thousands. Every 100 armor will add your base hp pool to your overall "tankiness". 0 armor + 100hp = 100 effective hp. 100 armor + 100hp = 200 effective hp. 200 armor + 100hp = 300 effective hp. 900 armor + 100hp = 1000 effective hp. Its much more if you have some bonus hp from things like infusion or character lvl. 0 armor + 200hp = 200 effective hp. 100 armor + 200hp = 400 effective hp. 200 armor + 200hp = 600 effective hp. So even though armor scaling is hyperbolic. In practice every point of armor adds to your hp the same way infusions do. By 1 hp bar every 100 armor, no matter how much armor you have. A good example is if you are a lvl 20 commando you have 737 hp. So every 100 armor you will add another 737 hp. This is why I think that rose buckler is much stronger than infusion. Because 3 rose bucklers at lvl 20 is = 663 additional effective hp. That's over 6 infusions. And also its much easier to heal your hp back when your max hp is a lower number. Just keep sprinting for that value!

[@feinne7652]

That's why I always sigh and shake my head when Woolie scraps his Rose Bucklers while playing Huntress, or anyone really since you're mostly always sprinting, then being surprised when he randomly dies by a hit the armor would have saved him from.

[@zeppie_]

@@feinne7652 I don’t blame him honestly. The feedback the game gives from receiving armor is nonexistent, and a player can’t know if it’s having any effect if the game doesn’t show it in some way. For example something like a dull metallic sound on hits reduced by armor would communicate to the player that they’re being guarded, but the game doesn’t have anything like that.

[@redmattermage2129]

Huh, I never thought of it like that. You have opened my eyes to the power of armor, good sir.

[@DaH1pp1e]

@@zeppie_ I had a run where I had 10 rose bucklers with acrid and was basically invincible and I’ve never looked back since. It’s just not noticeable at lower numbers but at higher numbers it’s insanely effective.

[@nasher99]

@@feinne7652 eh woolie actually does know how armor works, he has stated it, he probably just scraps rose bucklers on huntress because playing huntress with defensive items isn't as effective as playing huntress with offensive items since she already has lots of mobility to dodge dmg.

[@3xample]

Just a lil' heads up Symbiotic Scorpion maxes out at a 2x damage multiplier

[@spafnar]

Yea its kind of underwhelming imo

[@mateigroza5969]

i mean u cant even reach 2x multiplier so it doesnt really matter

[@yesicpwee8545]

I mostly think it’s for the shredding of armor on bosses to take your dmg to 1x and any more is just nice

[@add6246]

I think the fact reducing armor gives a dmg boost separate from % Damage and Procs makes it a good legendary, though it definitely isn't flashy neat video ntw

[@Lincyna]

Player(s): "Thank you for changing my life." Symbiotic Scorpion: *"Dude I'm literally a scorpion."*

[@lunafoxfire]

An easy way to do armor calculations in your head is just think of every 100 points of armor as the next fraction for the damage multiplier. What I mean by this is 100 armor = 1/2 damage, 200 armor = 1/3 damage, 300 armor = 1/4 damage, etc. For negative armor, double damage is the max, and the damage multiplier goes like -100 armor = 2 - 1/2 = 1.5x damage, -200 armor = 2 - 1/3 = 1.66x damage, -300 armor = 2 - 1/4 = 1.75x damage. You can see why the initial negative armor is way stronger than later stacks.

[@roshanpaul8548]

Another easy way to think of it that makes more sense intuitively is to consider each point of armor as an additional percentage of health against damage. So 100 armor would be 100% additional health translating to 200% total health. With 200% your total health, each hit taken would do half of its damage on your health bar. 200 armor is 200% additional health, meaning 300% total, so each hit does 1/3 its normal damage. 300 armor would be 400% total health so each hit does 1/4 the damage. This is exactly how league of legends calculates its armor and magic resist values.

[@nathanharris9093]

Man Mithrix looks huge on Titanic planes

[@omegacalvin3383]

Fun fact: console risk of rain 2 the adaptive armor that mythrix have doesn't have a cap/max, it can go beyond 80% damage reduction :)

[@Ilovepoopin]

Yeah. I went on a run where I went and fought Mithrix at Wave 100. It was crazy! I was doing literally 0 damage to him. Then suddenly he just popped and took massive damage and died. So, I believe he was either taking .001% damage or literally 0% and the game said 'screw it' and killed Mithrix for me.

[@GenesisRTA]

I love this channel. Thanks for sharing so much information on the math and calculations of a lot of the behind-the-scenes mechanics! It helps a lot to show what things actually do, which combats the games biases and misinformation. Keep it up!

[@chomperwithcheesecake]

Blood shrines are not the only but it damage that are not reduced by armor. The void cartels, and the void seed debuff are also not affected

[@neetenshi]

Void cartels? Lmao

[@musik847.1]

So does combining shattering justice and scorpion even really do anything? It just makes you max the cap sooner right? I assume for that reason it's good for tanky normal enemies like elder lemurians and not as good as say bleed on bosses?

[@spafnar]

Yea basically

[@shauni_jade]

@@ghoulbuster1 basically what we have been doing all this time for shuttering justicer since you have to hit 4 times but for longer time x)

[@BagelSammich]

Extra debuffs for deathmark lol

[@musik847.1]

@@ghoulbuster1 yeah pull some quick stacks then unleash.

[@Srcsqwrn]

This is explained nicely! I wish this was explained in game, was intuitive, or was more useful.

[@Tropp-vd9sv]

A good way to think about it is each point of armor grants 1% effective hp so when you get 100 armor is 100% more hp meaning attacks do half damage

[@Cepaceous]

one thing to mention is that because of the way the armor formula works, every 100 armor increases the player's effective health by 100% of the base value. Since damage can't be reduced to zero, damage reduction can be thought of as a modifier to an effective HP stat (regular health * (1 - damage reduction value)). 400 HP and 100 armor is 800 EHP because 50% of the damage is negated. Increasing the armor value to 200 makes 67% reduction, meaning that the base health value is 3x to 1200 EHP

[@gomeezzzzz5213]

Great video man! Didn’t even know this kind of stuff existed in RoR2

[@therealjinwoohong]

Underrated channel

[@originalpear]

damage multiplier=1-armor/(100+|armor|) is the whole equation for calculating armor's damage multiplier. void fiend gets 100 armor in his corrupted form, so 1-100/(100+|100|)=1-100/200=1-1/2=0.5, meaning any damage he takes is cut in half. shattering justice reduces armor by 60, so 1-(-60)/(100+|-60|)=1-(-60)/160=1-(-0.375)=1.375. because of how armor is calculated, the damage multiplier will always be less than 2, but more than 0.

[@azurebrown3756]

Mmh more mysteries....it does suck that there is a cap to the armor reduction that can be applied.

[@TheTretex]

well the armor penetration isn't so impressive with scorpion hammer combo, atleast having one with the other puts you another debuff closer to consistent death mark procs.

[@jongameaddict]

At that point, 2 reds to make a green useful sounds kinda bad tbh. I get Scorpion too often, this vid made me realize it's not as powerful as I thought

[@aardvark_04]

Really informative video thanks! I'm glad I found your channel.

[@mago474]

this just made me even more curious about scorpion vs justice

[@Steleaf]

for those confused with the formula or that want a simpler explanation, think of it as an HP extension 100 armor = 50% Damage reduction, its as if you had 100% your HP 200 armor = 66% Damage reduction, as if you had 200% HP.

[@챙랴노]

ror2 education video? let's goooo

[@Frostycrypton]

Ok, now *THIS* is epic!

[@ZekeTheThunderWolf]

Jade elephant run here I come.

[@lightknightgames]

Ok, Armour does NOT falloff or is strong early or whatever. 20 armour at 300000 is the same 20%eHP increase. What does matter is in context, since HP and damage is not a float, damage gets rounded. If it decreases damage taken by a point, then it matters. So 300000 to 300001 could be a 50% damage resistance increase. But those breakpoints and their effectiveness are linear, because the amount reduced the breakpoint density only moves left and right depending on how much armour you have, and the enemy damage.

[@uwujettabuser-.-]

Yay, finally my favorite ROR 2 R - risk O - of R - runescape Just a little bit of trolling ;)

[@lmaogottem5984]

armor reduction debuff aka ez proc for death mark

[@KC9IUX17]

instructions unclear, still died

[@warriorwindsythe]

Love your videos, but you need some better capture software. Have a good day!

[@JackAllpikeMusic]

can we please get this guy something better than a potato to play this on? these videos are very interesting, but hard to watch lmao.

[@thisisyou6450]

what about damage when you go into the void?

[@CarmenLC]

you cant remove scorpion debuff tho? only prevent it

[@jeffyzefrench]

Very informative video but what the hell are those graphics? Are you playing on PS2?

[@nik_ms]

If you could narrate this or put some TTS it would help me a lot seeing your videos, a lot of the time I like putting vids in the background but I cant do it with your content :S

[@spafnar]

Ahh true

[@Mirage5892]

So the game effectively has warframe armor mechanics

[@vcjg287]

Let's remember that the guys from Hoopoop games studied math in college. So not surprising that they would have some spicy tricks up their sleeve.

[@AGENTX506]

This is pretty standard stuff - most games with an armor/damage reduction mechanic make it asymptotic in nature, as otherwise you have to worry about players hitting 100% damage reduction being completely invincible.

[@Cepaceous]

@@AGENTX506 Diablo uses nearly the same formula, just with a value of 3500 instead of 100. Asymptotic DR formulas are like an industry standard

[@vortexcookie7237]

So radiant perls 10% extra armor is useless on most survivors

[@CreativelyJake]

but is opal too op 100 armor without even stacking it?

[@ninjadel2]

For 1 hit. Then a 7 or 9 second regen without being hit again. I don't think so. Unless you manage to get alot of tougher times

[@Arxgxmi]

opal + safer spaces stack is insane. try it and youll pick up safer every run

[@TheTretex]

good on good players, kinda mid on bad players. If you aren't getting wombo combo'd and you can manage to only getting hit a only handful on times on a stage, then it's very strong.

[@m4rcyonstation93]

it’s scaling is busted too the better you are the better it gets

[@myd3b124]

@@ninjadel2 saves your life in eclipse mode

[@user-sn9ev6oc1c]

Bruh there’s no way to find out half of the shit in game without researching it

[@williamweeks6348]

i know it not a big deal to anyone else, but please can we stop referring to logarithmic scaling as hyperbolic scaling, they are different directions whereas hyperbolic would be (slightly) correct when talking about damage taken, as x approaches 0 y goes toward infinity. logarithmic growth is the damage reduction increasing with armor but less for each additional armor point. aside from that great vid.

[@IGanjaI]

Does Armour reduce the effectiveness of DoT damage, or does it get bypassed completely?

[@iluxa-4000]

Armor does reduce dots

[@snoozyyaloozy5511]

Huh... I always though armor was just a flat damage protection. Like 10 armor would remove 10 damage off any direct attack (excluding status effects like bleed, fire, etc)

[@snoozyyaloozy5511]

@@nefer-trebeledfomp-4129 what? the replusion plate just gives 10 armor, not a flat damage removal.

[@Sir_Steven]

@@snoozyyaloozy5511 "Receive flat damage reduction from all attacks." It's literally in the item's description.

[@aultorable]

Is Mithrix bigger when you spawn him in, or am I just losing it?

[@TlalocTemporal]

The arena in Commencement is bigger than ot feels, so Mithrix feels a lot bigger because Titanic Plains is (ironically) so small.

[@aultorable]

@@TlalocTemporal Neat!

[@sukidevil]

I see it's like how armor functions in Fallout 4, the difference is in FO4 it's Armor vs Attack. So the formula became Armor * ( Armor + Attack ) rather than flat 100.

[@shok9076]

When will sexy voice return?

[@spafnar]

Soon maybe

[@dexterity494]

the formula is wrong it's 100/(100+armor) also, a quick shorthand of understanding armor is like this positive armor is equivalent to +x% of your max health. 100 armor is +100% max health, meaning each hit point is worth 2 hit points (the reason why 100 armor is 50% damage reduction). 500 armor is +500% max health, meaning each hit point is worth 6 (the reason why 500 armor is 83% damage reduction). negative armor is equivalent to taking +1% extra damage. Justice lets you deal 60% extra damage, and scorpion lets you deal 2% extra damage per hit. Negative armor caps at 2x damage, so you'll never get too much use out of it, but I think it's still quite good either way.

[@spafnar]

Hello dexterity, no the formula is not wrong. The formula you provided is the multiplier and will be a number between 0 and 1. I provided the damage reduction which is expressed as a percentage. Thanks for watching

[@dexterity494]

@@spafnar ah, gotcha

[@1053Michael]

Let’s go

[@WOWtheBrit]

I understand armour very well every hit with symbiotic scorpion = more damage

[@neku-fn8dq]

why is your game looks like its made out of clay

[@henrygavin6034]

RoR2 mobile is out? 😂

[@vineveer4358]

So, +1 armor is the same as +1% effective hp. Repulsion plates are a lot better than I thought then.

[@AGENTX506]

Repulsion plates don't give armor, they just decrease damage by a flat amount

[@vineveer4358]

@@AGENTX506 RIP repulsion armor.

[@orbtalkz]

One myth I’ve been seeing a lot is that the Artifact of Swarms makes Sacrifice drop more items, has this already been covered? (Edit: it has not, plz do this, I’m 99.9% sure Swarms does not affect Sacrifice drop rate)

[@wolfdemonkid]

I believe Woolie did a video on that. The wiki says that the absolute minimum chance of dropping an item is 5%. The drop rate is halved when you're using swarms but it will not drop below 5%. So for lemurians and other starting enemies who start at around 5% there is no change but there are more of them. So you wouldn't be increasing the chance to drop from an enemy but you would have more enemies to kill.

[@EspyMelly]

If you experiment there is a consistent increase in the amount of items you get in your first stage when using swarms over not. This doesn't mean the chance to drop is higher, this is because there are more enemies to drop items from, and like Jiggy said there is a cap at how little chance an item has to drop from any individual enemy. The number of items evens out as your run goes on I believe but the initial stages are much easier with swarm.