HOW IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS?!?! The BEST Way To Complete Dungeon Divers!! RAID: Shadow Legends

[@Aleyssah]

Thank you. As to your calculations: while your worst case 10 point rare piece is correct, for this exercise to apply you must also perform expected outcome. For a fire knight hard (super raid) run, the long term average points will be 34 points for 40 energy. So the calculation becomes 3,700 divided by 17, not by 10. The final result arrives to an expected 4,350 energy, not your worst case 7,400. In terms of time spent, yours is an improvement. However the end result is perhaps not so exciting as presented vs worst case, which is not statistically relevant in practice.

[@Garbearishere]

@@Aleyssah thanks for the break down! This video was meant to be a very basic showcase of the fact that stage 3 is in fact the best points to energy location, even once considering averages. Plus you farm food at the same time

[@Aleyssah]

@ in a similar fashion for an ice golom turn tournament using normal level 8 provides 25 points for only 12 energy use and takes only 8 seconds to complete each round. The entire tournament is over in less than five minutes when done with super raids. FYI

[@Garbearishere]

@@Aleyssah fantastic call out!!

[@S.D.0000]

Most efficient stage to farm during Dungeon divers is Normal 20, in all Dungeons. the difference in points between Hard 10 and Normal 20 is 8-11 points where the 8 energy difference isn't worth the point difference. 32 energy for 35-48 points vs 40 energy for 43-59 points in 400 energy, Normal 20 can get you minimum of 437 while Hard 10 gives 430. Simple. Any stage lower than 20 drops Brews and Shards more often causing point loss.

[@hammerhiem75]

It is but doing this why he's now complaining he only has a 360 Speed Arbiter. You have to play the long game, farm teh best stage you can in a reasonable time and grind that shit out. Gear is Still EXTREMELY important in the game.

[@Turtleshellon]

You are doing it all wrong.. you farm FN until you get rare then you farm Spider until you get the rare.. Small amount left that will be finished with champ training. You should be saving every energy pod you get every other day free until fusion starts. Selling the gear from all those runs will get artifacts done. All the brews you get from CB and other sources will aid you in champ training.. you should have plenty of rares and champs to lvl up from previous summon events. The summon events in this event will get you through the rest of the champ training. CB shards saved will be enough to do the fusion if you saved until the fusion. I’m FTP and I do this in every fusion. It’s simple as pie.

[@Garbearishere]

Great advice for a lot of players!! And you’re absolutely right. There is a large portion of folks however that don’t have energy stock piles due to participating in other events, boosted events, etc. This video targets those folks!

[@Turtleshellon]

@ I save all my free energy from login every other day when we get them for the fusion. Let it sit in mail until then. I only focus on fusion events and nothing else. I have a good bit of champs so my next focus will be sand devil and shogun to power up my champs and take this new boss down. Also get stronger for hydra to get better gear. Basically focusing on getting stronger over collecting a bunch of champs.

[@Turtleshellon]

@ also with the brews I should mention 2 brews to lvl 3, 4 brews to lvl 4 and 6 brews to lvl 5 for champ training

[@YourSoulEater4ever]

you can't finish dungeon divers by just completing bare minimum from 2 dungeon tournament so I assume you don't know what you're talking about. You still have to spend gems because you physically don't get that much energy even when finishing everything.

[@Turtleshellon]

@ read it again. I clearly explained where the energy comes from. I have been doing this for a year in every fusion. I have 2100 DD points right now. Only need 1600 more and spider hasn’t even started yet. I don’t know what you guys are doing wrong. It’s very simple.

[@guin3666]

Great tip but add the champ training and it is a nice double dip. I just run quintus and 4 food. Thanks again!

[@Garbearishere]

@@guin3666 that’s a great point!! You were already using this tip?

[@guin3666]

@Garbearishere never tried such a low level before but it makes sense as the points don't scale for the difficulty. You just took the time to really show the difference in energy needed. I am getting 100 dungeon diver points per refill vs 65 (avg) on hard 10. But the time savings are also awesome.

[@theblitz8798]

The best way to do this sort of analysis is to run simulations. Take the drop rates, put the formula into a spreadsheet and simulate 1,000,000 runs then check the efficiency of the drop rates. I did this to work out which event was best for legendary drop rates for sacred shards. It's quite revealing.

[@andrew6661]

This is a great help for those who are really struggling with fast runs and energy conservation. I just tested it myself and it really does work. Whilst you cant get any useful pieces of gear you can run champ training at the same time and save some of the silver for artifact enhancement.

[@renato1282]

I use 3k and left 2k to finish on the spider that starts 12/19.

[@Garbearishere]

@@andrew6661 absolutely!! We had a champ training event at the same time, so it’s perfect

[@Dread_Freak]

This was the tech in 2019 when the game came out, but it has evolved stage 20 is best farming spot/per energy for silver/points

[@chadsmothers1]

I believe cored had a video on this a couple years ago and it showed stage 7, and 11 are best for energy and gain. So that’s what I’ve done every sonce

[@chadsmothers1]

Colred* or maybe it was YST

[@EJBinIndy]

Your Queen Eva can clear it by herself, but you could add 4 farm champs and get points in other aspects.

[@lobofka.1543]

Thats a nice take for f2p like me. For example at this moment i dont care about items and i dont have the energy nor the time for that matter. Run this super fast get the event done. Easy. BUUUT, if you have a champ that can solo the stage + 4 foods and champion training you are way over in plus. Not always the case tho. Still a good tip to have. Thanks

[@JeromeGodbout]

I would do it for spider instead, make more silver along the way to clean those dungeon divers. Also it seems like accessories on average are better. (ice golem would be the worst I think)

[@Cedreazy]

Great video! I’m sure a lot of people will find this little trick useful

[@Garbearishere]

@@Cedreazy I hope so!

[@gracefulhunter6479]

Those calculations are in a vacuum where mystery shards don't drop at all

[@Garbearishere]

Even outside that vacuum, math has still decided stage 3 is optimal

[@Gorgruth]

9:34. In what planet are you living that every day has 12 hours? :D. Good video numbers might be absolutely accurate but in some scenarios that energy is tight in a fusion is a good alternative.

[@kropcioGames]

your math is not correct. Stage 20 Normal is the perfect place to farm points for DD as stages below are dropping brews and green shards

[@Garbearishere]

@@kropcioGames “inteleria” has a break down on their site, wherein they have the same conclusion as me. You average 0.8 points per energy on stage 3, 0.765 on stage 20. Not to mention the bonuses like time spent, food farming, etc

[@aplear87]

​@Garbearishere your number are off, but the conclusion is correct. The difference in energy is far greater than points so it makes it worth on that alone. Then add in all that gear is instant silver, and you have open spots for food training it's definitely the way to go

[@vohbovohborian28]

These are the actual numbers: Farming stage 3 normal: 0.8975 DDpoints / energy Farming stage 20 normal: 0.76425 DDpoints / energy Farming stage 10 hard: 0.682 DDpoints / energy What SHOULD you be farming ? Almost certainly stage 10 hard if you can because you are not progressing if you are not getting Mythical / Legendary pieces. What is most efficient to farm ? Stage 20 normal. It has high points per energy, and you can usually take food along, and earn very good silver, and still get occasional legendary pieces. What is the best way to throw away energy to convert it into DD points ? Stage 3 normal seems good for that. If you are super endgame and don't need anything gear wise/don't want food, and all you care about is energy, then this is what you should do.

[@kropcioGames]

@@vohbovohborian28 agree here about stage 3 that is more efficient but only for DD points but totally bad for Tournament points

[@GlennWise-ck6gu]

Haha excellent work my friend..I tried a much earlier stage to check it out while watching and I got a. Ancient shard from the first run..but yea if you are done with the tournament dungeon diver points appear to be cheaper this way

[@Garbearishere]

@@GlennWise-ck6gu thank you kindly!! Tell you what I think most people are missing - I’d rather a chance to get a potion that I’ll use instead of spending >2x the energy for a 5* rare piece I won’t use 🤣🤣

[@GlennWise-ck6gu]

@@Garbearishere yea exactly it’s good for dungeon divers tho like you said not really a good idea for the tournament

[@cnirvana1]

Thank you for this brother, doing God's work 🙏

[@odiumhh]

Stage 20 for all except spider stage 10 normal spider has been proven broken and is the mosr effective for events even with the occasional mystery shard drop. Just do the dungeons till u get what u need and usually pick up the extra for dd by completing ct sometimes takes a few sctra runs of a dungeon to finish it off. Just set it to sell all and walk away 🤣 dungeon farmed gear is obsolete after you reach a certain point.

[@bladeaddison3189]

The champion training one is the one that kills me...brutal.

[@Garbearishere]

@@bladeaddison3189 it can be tough for the event certainly. The tournaments I always like, they are super easy - books and ascensions go a lonnnnggggg way

[@rastamole]

A few CC's have gone over champ training. you need to use pots on chickens before feeding them. so much more points this way.

[@YourSoulEater4ever]

Thank you, I really have too much gear that is pretty good anyway and Im fine to just get the champ normally and the rest of point just dunk into lvl 3 and sell. because it's a pain to do lvl 20 especially in FK where you can't put just one champ and I can't do hard aswell.

[@Kalivath]

I hate farming hard stages due to the energy costs, but i trying to get thw mythical missons and they are proving most taxing.

[@blainewillson5075]

I just farmed fire knight 20 normal to get the tournament champ and then spider 20 normal cuz it's so fast, there is no reason to do anything higher than that or hard bosses since the points you get in return are about the same

[@coss_the_boss_84fernando8]

This better not be about farming stage 10 😂 let’s see where he’s going, I’ll keep watching

[@StaticStutter]

i dont think your math is correct in comparison to stage 20 normal which you referenced as a worst case scenario number at or around 7:30. you would have to do 370 x 16 which is worst case 5920... not 370 x 20 which is farming stage 25 or any hard mode. you have to change the energy consumption when you are talking about normal 20. most people (except the people who spend large amounts on energy) are running normal 20 of all the dungeons to complete the event. which is still more than the 4228 energy amount for running normal 3. but not as dramatic of a gap.

[@Garbearishere]

@@StaticStutter you are very correct with the math on that particular stage, my apologies. It would be 16 energy, which still results in >1000 energy difference

[@StaticStutter]

@@Garbearishere yes still a massive savings. as your mentioned it would be up to the player to decide what is worth it vs energy savings to get the fusion done vs getting some usable gear from running stage 20. im curious about the silver per energy breakdown too. in any case i shared with my clan for them to watch and see if its worth it for them to run stage 3. something that has to be warned is spider 3 does drop common gear so in that case its not worth it. stage 20 is probably best bet.

[@elvenstranger]

It may be against the maths but I hate the idea of doing something wasteful, yes FK hard may suck energy but maybe 1 in every few hundred runs will drop me that next piece of gear to improve my champions....maybe :)

[@gizmotron7931]

an turn off the auto sell too right?

[@Garbearishere]

Why?

[@whom382]

Didn't they fix that years ago?

[@jaantrag]

nobody talking about it since its been talked by others in the past serval times ....

[@jgarrisonTVGuy]

Correct. Running Stage Three is a known strategy. You can Google it.

[@halo2something]

great math and advice, but i am on marius missions for 20 mythical pieces of gear, so yeah...

[@Garbearishere]

Understandable. Just passed that one myself…best of luck!

[@ArieusblackRSL]

Why would you do DD on hard mode?

[@Garbearishere]

✨ mythical gear ✨

[@marcziiulian]

You're right it's insane amount of points in energy spend plus time so it's not worth it🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😮😅😅

[@JohannDaart]

Respectfully, but I think this is bad advice bro. People should either farm best Hard stage they can for best gear possible or Solo/Duo farm Stage 20 with food champs, to double dip with champ training and most efficiency. As for energy requirements for f2p, that's why players should save energy from events/cvc/gifts/codes into inbox and use it during fusions. That's how the game is played correctly.

[@YourSoulEater4ever]

what do you mean by "hame played coorectly"? there's no such thing, everyone can play it as they want.

[@JohannDaart]

@@YourSoulEater4ever Yeah definitely, everybody can play how they want to play, they can play it badly too if that's what they enjoy :D

[@Cedreazy]

You clearly ignored his whole points for this, also there is really no one way to play the game “correctly”, there are multiple factors to take under consideration like champions and gear. You cannot say it is bad advice if it isn’t relevant to you, many people could find this to be the best way for them to play efficiently according to their account.

[@JohannDaart]

@@Cedreazy What's your frame of reference? Mine is being a new player that plays for 1 year, completely f2p, $0 spent, no CC perks like free gems etc. Yet I'm able to complete fusions with gem count that stays more or less the same as it was at the beginning of the fusion. And I am farming either Stage 20 or Hard dungeons for DD points. My account is as bare bones as you can get. Dumping 3700 energy into Stage 3 is bad advice. You want to be efficient, then build Solo farmer for Stage 20, to double dip with Champ Training.

[@YourSoulEater4ever]

@@JohannDaart you want to say that changing clans to fully ham hydra isnt beneficial? cmon

[@aaronwalcott513]

This title was NOT clickbait. Thank you, first-time-viewed Raid KZbinr. This actually is timely, because since Raid effed up the DD return rates, I've not completed a single fusion.

[@lougait4362]

I disagree with farming stage 3. You not only are wasting energy on obtaining brews. You also end up getting many mystery shards too

[@jgarrisonTVGuy]

Running Stage Three is a known strategy. You can Google it. The efficiency is point eight.

[@GorchaxGaming]

Redacted so plarium don't nerf the area is mentioned.

[@GorchaxGaming]

i thought everyone was already doing my strat, but seeing the comments here it seems thats not the case.

[@Garbearishere]

No kidding. And apparently it’s controversial - somehow 🤣🤣

[@jacquesoosthuizen8537]

yeah but why spend 4k energy and get nothing for it id rather do stage 25 use 7400 energy and get some gear i can use

[@alicelaybourne1620]

Well 25 is worse than normal 20 and Hard 10, with similar drops. Not sure why you would do that.

[@Gabster_TheSwede]

"Speed set which is directly upgraded by Preception gear" No its not.

[@Garbearishere]

@@Gabster_TheSwede explain?

[@Gabster_TheSwede]

In high ranked PVP, speed is still king and speed set will still give you more speed then preception set. Your probably meant 'Impulse' or 'Divine Speed' both give you the same amount of speed (12%) as a speed set.

[@Garbearishere]

@ I get where you’re coming from. For 99% of players, perception is a direct upgrade due to the accuracy. Late game PvP players are generally not relying on speed set, but instead impulse, and super sonic. Thanks for your input!!

[@michaelbrown538]

Math is biased and not thought out. You have to consider the chances of epic legendary and 6 star gear to determine how energy efficient each run is, or your rounding so hard your math is pointless. And you have to also consider pulling potions in your math or once again your rounding too much

[@Garbearishere]

Inteleria has a break down on their site. For dungeon divers the most efficient stage is in fact 3. My video to showcase that fact. Now to mention you can / should farm food at the same time 😉

[@TheRagzzz]

wrong.

[@Garbearishere]

Right.

[@TheRagzzz]

Read down all the comments and you will see that I am not the only one who says that. Plenty of other people have addressed this over the years and your method doesn't come near to being correct.

[@Garbearishere]

@ thanks for the feedback