How Japan's AWFUL Work Culture Creates The WORST Problems With Anime

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[@gostchiken]

"There's a problem" "K" "Fix it" "No" - Conservatism in a nutshell

[@MsScarletwings]

“In fact, we’re gonna make it even worse now that you’re complaining”

[@greenshyguyfrommario]

Alternatively: “There’s a problem” “Nuh uh”

[@Fusilier7]

"Let me check with my boss" "God says no, he'll get back to you in the next life" - Religious version.

[@Turquerina]

"There's a problem." "Thanks we tried to make it worse." "Fix it then." "We like it like this." *Cue a bloody revolution.*

[@Juniversal]

The left: Hey there are a lot of poor people and corporations are making record profits. Maybe we should raise the minimum wage. Conservatives: Naw, just get two jobs.

[@comedyman4896]

Japanese boomers: Make baby Japanese millennials: Ok but I need time off work to make a family Japanese boomers: No time off! Only baby!

[@KrowwJaeger]

There's literally a manga about a dude who hates work so much that once a zombie apocalypse happens to him it's basically a paradise due to how liberating it is to not go to work anymore. It's actually pretty good too

[@melaniey.5596]

Oh! That one manga recommended by Gigguk? Zom 100: Bucket List of the Death. I usually trust his recs so it must be good, but gotta admit I haven’t read it because zombie apocalypse stories are usually not my cup of tea lol

[@KrowwJaeger]

@@melaniey.5596 oh yeah it is good. It's more about the characters then the zombies themselves. I...can't really explain better without spoiling anything, but basically the dude makes a bucket list of things he wants to do now that he's free and gets fixated on doing them despite the zombies. It's more comedic if anything

[@lljkgktudjlrsmygilug]

On a related note, where do you think the Isekai genre came from? Its practically the secular cultural equivalent of the promise of 72 virgins after death, but for Japan.

[@KrowwJaeger]

@@lljkgktudjlrsmygilug there are only 2 good isekais and they are Overlord and Uncle from another world

[@Linkman95]

@@KrowwJaeger imagine thinking digimon isn't a good isekai

[@onlyfacts4999]

Vaush is spot on about how negatively Asian men are portrayed in media when it comes to sexual contexts.

[@Alaskan-Armadillo]

Honestly I think a lot of media also effects how other men of color are treated as well. My intention isn't to sound whiny and down play Asian men in media but I have been thinking a lot about it and to be honest I think that men of color are seen as aggressive/rape-y. Sexplanations did a video similar to this topic and talked about sexual racism and how sometimes people will reject others based off of their race and I highly recommend it.

[@cookie5535]

japanese insecure men write it mostly lol

[@fluidthought42]

It depends on the context. In Japanese porn it's not that Japanese men are portrayed as particularly emasculated when compared to foreign men. 9/10 for their cuck porn they just have different Japanese guy tropes being the bull. They have however certainly internalized to some degree western stereotypes, including the near mythic BBC, but all in all their fetishism dynamics are more comparable to how white people portray themselves in Western porn, including a fear of political and gender war emasculation rather than that of already being without representation in masculinity.

[@Kuntphuck]

​@@cookie5535 for real. Overwhelmingly in shonen/slice of life anime, any man who makes the first move on a woman is depicted as a creep who is instantly punished for transgressing. Most male protags have a girl throw themselves at him, with no courting on his end, despite his utter lack of charm.

[@Tester-sh1mn]

@@Kuntphuck Rizz or Rizzless? That is the question.

[@Westlander857]

I know us Americans are really disillusioned with our country, and understandably so, but that doesn’t mean that any country that isn’t us is a utopia. Japan excels at many things and their government does a better job of taking care of its people, but its work culture is absolutely brutal and horrendous. So much so that it’s one of the main drivers of Japan’s population decline. It’s also incredibly socially conservative, just as much, if not more than the US is. Basically everything Vaush talked about here was spot on.

[@inteallsviktigt]

That's not really true. Being socially conservative in America is night and day if being socially conservative in japan. Example their bathing culture is nude by default. And it was mixed sex nudity in public baths was normal until usa changed the laws. Same with prostitution etc.

[@MsScarletwings]

@@inteallsviktigt it really depends on what parameters we are measuring here when it comes to social progress. In many respects there are DEEPLY conservative tendencies in how much of their culture is stubbornly traditionalist and patriarchal. Rampant ethnic and racial bigotry, conformity pressure, some holdovers from their ultra-nationalism arc, etc. If I ever wanted to go there, I literally couldn’t bring along my adhd medication because it’s completely *banned* there without exception. They may have a little leg up over the sex-obsessed puritans, and they are pretty secular, but that’s honestly about it. Like, are you going to mention that they still have NO national discrimination protections for the LGBT community, or any legal recognition of same-sex unions?

[@SeanStrife]

@@inteallsviktigt Plus, Japan IS getting better, slowly, in terms of treatment of LGBTQ+ people (in the sense it's actually viable for them to start fighting for equal rights).

[@inteallsviktigt]

@@MsScarletwings indeed it depends what metrics we use. Traditionalist japan is in some metrics millions time more liberal in comparison and also anti liberal in other parts. They might not recognize same sex unions but that's because usa constructed their constitution. And they are deeply against changing anything because ww2. While at the same time they have legalized LGBT sex industry and sex work is seen as a normal job while you will commit sin in the west. And what do you mean racial bigotry? I know they have ludicrous nationalism in comparison

[@inteallsviktigt]

@@SeanStrife well ironically some of the fights are made harder because of the US involvement. Before it was normal for everyone to bath naked together with zero shame. But it just became worse later when American sexual morals become more prevent

[@bryanmaine]

Highschool in Japan was not considered freedom. It was school, clubs and study school from sun up to sun down. University in Japan is when life chills out.

[@kattkatt744]

Second this!

[@Sunaki1000]

I mean its not free, but its free'er?

[@falconeshield]

And then if you eff up once, you're doomed for life. No wonder these poor guys lock themselves at home.

[@Sunaki1000]

@@falconeshield Not every human beeing is a blind Idiot, there relaize there have no real futur even if there "successfull" so there get depressed, and give up. Working 11 House a Day, whit extra overhours, and beeing the dirth under your Bosses Shoe, thats no living, and thats considered your good end.

[@carlwheezer2766]

I've heard high schools in Japan are super competitive so you have to get really good grades to actually make it all the way through high school (unless your rich ofc)

[@Fusilier7]

South Korean work culture is every bit as draconian, both Korean chaebols and Japanese zaitatsus treat their work forces as robots, their crunch culture is basically a legal form of forced labour.

[@Luigi_Mario_1997]

Confucianism and Legalism, both are inherently totalitarian and anti-human.

[@smileyp4535]

Yup, they are basically fudalist capitalism

[@moustachio05]

*zaibatsu

[@nielsjensen4185]

South Korea is slowly improving. The keyword here is slowly. The recent debacle about the artist of the manhwa "Roxana" at least had one good consequence,. The artists of SK have begun wondering if forming a union is a good idea so they'll never be mistreated like she was.

[@renlevy411]

​@@nielsjensen4185 Wait an obscure Manhwa that not many people knew single handedly improve the labor condition of an entire nation?

[@MANUELEYTOR]

I'm not sure how valid is the "high school is the last time they were free" theory for the Japanese youth fixation. Their school culture is also really oppressive for what I understand.

[@Abhorrence353]

Their school culture may be oppressive, but their office culture is MORE. Everything is relative.

[@madnessoverload7824]

It's probably more of an escapist fantasy, because high schools in anime are nothing like in real life.

[@kattkatt744]

The high school = freedom is very much a wrong take. Unless you are an delinquent, every minute of your day is planned out as a high school student in Japan. The place where Japanese people experince freedom is university. The reason that so much of media is focused on high school is because of how group dynamics work in Japan and how high school is the last place where you can be naive and innocent about Japanese society in general so it makes for great escapism.

[@thestoneddog]

@@madnessoverload7824 yeah that was my assumption too

[@emilchan5379]

It is more like adult working life is even worse. Also they are free in the sense that in high school, most Japanese still live with their parents - they have food and lodging accounted for without having to work their rears off to pay rent. In other words, high school is the last time they don't have to deal with adult responsibilities.

[@FatalAlcatraz]

As an anime, I can confirm this is 100% correct.

[@wursthaendler2825]

As a japanese work culture I can confirm this is correct

[@xenovialvsumi]

As Japan, I can confirm this is indeed the truth

[@sea_triscuit7980]

As an underage Japanese girl, I can also confirm

[@queenbean7071]

As a high school this is so true

[@andreabenton7798]

Based

[@HowardAltEisen]

Minor nitpick that Vaush will likely never see: The "my hips are moving on their own!" trope in hentai isn't related to conservative views, it's a direct translation of some sexy talk idioms that don't translate comfortably into English. It sounds jank sure but its just a cross-cultural figment rather than some broader thing

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

what would be a better translation?

[@inteallsviktigt]

@@Doctor_Straing_Strangethers isn't one. Take any stereotypical sexy talk and translate it. I can take any English sexy talk and it sound awfully raipy in Swedish

[@TJ-yf6gz]

Tbf it's still correct in the context he used it in. A lot of times in hentai that phrase is commonly used in the context of a noncon encounter where the girl is all like "I shouldn't like this but my hips are moving on their own!" type shit.

[@Turisteiro291]

It can be both though

[@BleedForTheWorld]

I like it when they have muscles

[@Whitepawprint]

I went to Japan recently and one thing that really struck me is the sheer number of "men's bars", most of which were very explicitly sexual, but I also include stuff like maid bars in that bracket as well. The fact there were SO MANY of them, even in small towns, often as many as regular cafes, made me think about how many regular clients they must have to be able to fund so many business like this. And, how many young women must work in these kinds of jobs, especially because I imagine the turnover to be relatively high as people either get sick of it or age out of being "attractive enough" to work there. It also really felt to me like there was a very particular single standard of beauty for women, and that seemed to be the same general "look" for both adverts for professional business women on the train, and porn stars. OBVIOUSLY this doesn't justify anyone's bad behaviour, but I can really picture how this could all really blur the line between fantasy and reality for someone. Not only might you be looking at porn that looks like someone you work with, if you're also visiting these mens bars and having this incredibly transactional relationship where the women's jobs is to form a parsocial relationship with you while being essentially there to look pretty and please you... I can see why someone would internalise some ideas about women that aren't great. To also be clear, I think generally the women in these jobs are themselves being exploited, and I imagine it's generally men running these clubs and making the most profit. But again, you can see how it would feed into a lot of incel narratives. And as vaush mentioned, a lot of this is highly stigmatised for women, so despite it being (presumably) a relatively common job for a lot of women to have engaged in sex work (to some degree) at some point in their lives, it doesn't seem to be discussed or acknowledged, AND it's frowned upon for women to be unmarried and dating. It just seems really bad for everyone involved

[@sithisrants4154]

I'm living the Japanese reality myself right now. The only real way to learn this language is through immersion, or so I've been told, so I registered for a Japanese language class on this international exchange before I realized what they really meant by "intensive". I do not have time to sleep. My commute is an hour both ways, so I have to be careful not to waste those 2 hours and study while on the train as much as possible. We have quizzes every day and long, multi-faceted tests every week. We got only 3 days off for holiday and I will spend all of today and the weekend writing an essay (in Japanese) and reading for other classes. I must be spending over 80 hours a week working, and this is still pretty tame compared to Japanese high school, which is supposedly significantly harder. It is an awful, awful work culture and I am beginning to understand on a whole new level why everyone here seems to have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. The icing on the cake, of course, is that as an undergrad, I'm paying THEM for the privilege to be overworked.

[@VengefulAzana]

Damn

[@sithisrants4154]

@@VengefulAzana 日本語で「くそ」と言う。YW :D

[@VengefulAzana]

@@sithisrants4154 ah Kuso means damn, ok ok

[@julianbell9161]

Damn that’s some crazy shit

[@emilchan5379]

I am guessing the editors just googled otaku anime and grabbed the first image that appeared, because Wotakoi actually has a relatively positive depiction of both otakus and Japanese adult working life. Unlike what Vaush says here about most anime taking place in high school, the main characters in Wotakoi are all adults working in an office.

[@LittleMissMadeline]

That’s definitely what happened. I was expecting him to talk about Wotakoi but he didnt.

[@PlatinumPoint]

Japan is a case study of how conservativism and capitalism erodes the soul of their citizens. But hey they have a better healthcare system the U.S.A. is better. We need to push for healthy work life balance on a global scale.

[@Korihor666]

At a graduation ceremony I was at the student speaker they picked said that she admired Japanese work culture when she was there so strove to work just as hard and wants to keep doing so. This was a moment I couldn’t help but roll my eyes and come dangerously close to saying “oh honey no” out loud.

[@IshtarNike]

I once met an American girl in a Chinese hostel who said basically the exact same thing but about Chinese people. She didn't speak Chinese or have much experience with China at all. She just saw Chinese international students in the library for 8 hours a day and was inspired. I didn't know how to break it to her but the real china is like any other country. 90% of people aren't working like that lol.

[@LDIndustries]

The fact that a lot of hentai (like a worrying amount) has the premise of “there are no more/very few men and all the remaining ones are allowed to fuck whoever they want” demonstrates the underlying worry (and subsequent fetishization) of a declining birth rate.

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

No, i think it's actually saying that declining birth rates are based (because they are)

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

Don't forget isekai and harem anime where all female characters want to be with the OP main male character for no real reasons. Also, ridiculous amounts of fanservice.

[@user-gx9uv6qo3q]

Why spain and Italy are low birth rate? West is just hiding by immigration.

[@failuregaming6611]

@@ExtremeMadnessX Those existed long before you were born, zoomer.

[@MrGksarathy]

I'm a bit puzzled that the thumbnail image for this video and topic included Wotakoi, one of the healthier workplace adult romance anime.

[@smileyp4535]

Japan has a great foundation for becoming an incredible social democracy, they have great transportation, housing, healthcare etc (relatively) but they don't have a great public/community leasure culture. You have private units of atomized groups that don't involve or invite others (unless it's drinking after work, and even then it's with your co workers, not like public parks and stuff, even though their public spaces are BEAUTIFUL, but it's usually a look not touch society from what I understand)

[@cosmosofinfinity]

Don't they have all sorts of crazy festivals all the time?

[@smileyp4535]

@@cosmosofinfinity yeah but between them, and obviously nothing is 100% but Japan has a culture of very repressed emotions and actions, you are NOT supposed to stand out. Like in the US we hate when someone plays their music loud on the bus but they are waaaay to focused on fading into the crowd, and not expressing themselves (except in certain contexts but even then generally on in specific ways) I'm not Japanese and I don't live there and have never gone, but this is what I have heard and seems to be the general gist, it's actually really bad how much people don't want to "make a fuss" because they have a terrible problem with people groping women on the bus and then the women are too scared to say anything, though I've heard both sides of that are getting better I think, less s/a and less being too meek to say something

[@inteallsviktigt]

@@smileyp4535 no its not about standing out. Their culture is extremely collective in nature. The idea of the individual coming first is very foreign to them. The groups always comes first. How do you think they can keep cities clean with close to zero trashcans available

[@thecoolannishatk.]

The Americans are headed that way. COVID made me realize that.

[@smileyp4535]

@@inteallsviktigt it sucks because they're so close to makeing the perfect society, if they put a little bit of their efficiency and focus into making sure that individuals are fulfilled while also generally putting society above themselves they'd have the perfect society. Everyone doing the best the can for themselves without feeling bad for doing so while still doing what's best for society as a whole

[@TheHenrytouchdown]

I remember reading a comment on a forum, so take it with the finest grain of salt you could imagine, years ago that one of the reasons Japan has so many specific fetishes in their porn was due to the large amount of private schools that were only for one gender. So boy's would go to kindergarten and elementary with girls, and then in Middle and High school they'd go to boy's only schools. Which, along with the idea that you'd go to school and then immediately go home, meant that the only girls guys would have for personal reference during puberty would be their family, teachers, and the memories of girls they knew earlier. So incest, teachers, and young girls would be their only real reference for what they'd be attracted to when their sexuality started kicking in. And then those kids grew up, and some of them made porn/hentai that adhered to their fetishes, and it was super popular and profitable, and then the internet happened and made the porn that much easier to find which would make this horrible cycle of fetishes being passed on. Again take all of this with a grain of salt, but it makes sense to me.

[@thecoolannishatk.]

That makes sense to me, their culture is so sexually repressive that they're gonna go for some fetishes of teachers banging their students (according to you they're into that stuff) to get a quick dopamine hit?

[@blessingo7449]

Lol the Japanese are so depraved

[@darkvoid.0938]

It's strange that Japanese anime also has lots of female characters that are really horny when it's considered really inappropriate for a woman to get interested in sex at all in Japanese culture. I wonder if it's bc people there have fantasies about women wanting to have sex with them since Japanese culture doesn't allow that in the real world

[@emilchan5379]

Kinda. It is kinda like a sexual liberation thing. It might come as a surprise to Westerners, but anime in general is actually very liberal when compared to mainstream Japanese culture.

[@Saltyoven]

​@@emilchan5379it really is. A ton of isekai are left leaning on the method of transportation alone, seeing how increasingly common the transportation method is death by overwork.

[@SeanStrife]

I run a Discord server and we actually had someone back in the day who is from Japan and... yeah, that kinda lines up with what Vaush is saying about women being expected to be pure because she didn't like dressing in the cutesy style and her uncle accused her of dressing like a prostitute.

[@LarsCaesar]

When I got out of a night club in Osaka at around 7am me and a couple locala who were also in the club got ”breakfast”. I asked if they were heading home after this, the older of them said ”no i’ve got work now, i’ll just have to go to a swim hall to shower first. I basically said ”wtf” and asked the other if he was also staying up. He said something like ”well i’ve got school, so ive got to go, but i’ll just sleep in class.

[@Armitaco]

Well Wotakoi is especially interesting because it is basically a way of branding otaku culture that sanitizes it of all of the "weird" stuff Vaush is talking about (lolicon/hikikomori/NEET) in order to make it suitable for the needs of capitalism. For all of its incel-adjacent rhetoric, the open refusal of otaku to show interest in "three-dimensional" women and become the ideal salaryman-type was a big problem for capitalism - otaku were excessive consumers and insufficient producers. To solve this, there needed to be a separation of "cool otaku/Japan" and "weird otaku/Japan," and the abjection of the latter. Wotakoi is basically a way of imagining the former - you can be hyper-consumerist, we like that, but maybe drop the "weird" shit and maybe come work in the office and fall in love there and then go make babies, yeah? Basically, it is absolutely the policies of Japanese conservatives that produce "weird" otaku, but it is also important to acknowledge that Japanese conservatives have rarely ever championed the "weird" otaku lifestyle itself, which is not to redeem the behaviors we are talking about - they can be bad and still be victims of alienation, basically.

[@x999uuu1]

Don't lionize the weird Otaku. They're still shit goblins

[@smileyp4535]

I'm ok with fan service but I like I wish it was more both ways, I'm not bi but I get tired of the women being the only sexualized people, guys can be hot and fan serviced too 😠

[@dydx_]

Read JoJo

[@unluckyone1655]

As a pan, I am in complete agreement. The only series that comes to mind where they show sexy men is the JoJos Bizarre Adventure series.

[@nikkidarks6658]

Sir, have you ever read any BL/Yaoi lol???

[@anonymousinfinido2540]

Gintama ed 7, search it on KZbin. Magnum Opus 😂

[@anonymousinfinido2540]

​@@unluckyone1655 yo, try gintama, you won't regret it.

[@archangelofcoffee922]

I live in Alaska. So, getting outside in the sun is even more impossible up here due to the fact that A: I live in a temperate rain forest and B: there's times of the year were you get up and go to work in the dark and come home in the dark. I usually walk to a grocery store in brutal rain, snow, etc that's 6 miles one way and 6 miles back. I'm also a decently popular cosplayer up here, so kids and families enjoy seeing me in full blown cosplay in my off time (Diluc from Genshin Impact at the moment) due to the fact there's not much to do up here. Not all of Alaska is like Anchorage. Boring as SHIT here. But, I make the best of it and for others as well. Beautiful scenery though. We also get the PFD every year, so more money for cool shit for me. Problem with alot of U.S. anime fans, they think we all live in big cities or liberal like areas and that's not always the case.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

You walk 12 miles to the grocery store? Omg

[@burkles4456]

Am I not far enough into a video about anime to have heard him discuss Alaskan anime fans in rural areas?? I hate to say it but who asked?

[@kameradin8964]

@@BleedForTheWorld average Alaskan traveling back to civilization once a year to buy lucky charms for Walmart

[@archangelofcoffee922]

@@burkles4456 No one you neo lib. I guess Vaush is right when he said a lot of you don't care about natives. It's relevant to pulling your head out of your butt to other points of view and living.

[@smileyp4535]

@@burkles4456 if you hate to say it then don't, like I hate to say it but, who asked your opinion?

[@MagusMirificus]

Legend has it that once Vaush had a main channel he uploaded to, but all records have been lost in the mists of time.

[@cadenlorenzo3345]

One interesting aspect of Japan's history is how it was treated relatively well by Western powers compared to most East Asian Countries. That combined with heavy Western influence post World War II led to Japan being more opened to "Western" cultural norms than ther Asian countries. this makes sense, considering that Japan's social norms when it comes to gender, race, work culture are akin to those of the US in the 50s.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

Yeah Japanese people are in fact more progressive on social issues than South Korea and China. LGBTQ stuff and so on.

[@thecoolannishatk.]

We nuked those guys LOL

[@hallhenry6135]

Most Japanese go to university or college after high school. This is considered the last time you are free. In high school, you have to study quite hard to pass university entrance tests. In university, it's generally low pressure, depending on what kind of course you are doing.

[@daze3x87]

13 Sentinels is not a game I'd describe as weird anime bullshit in any way. The most fanservicy aspect of the game is the giant booby lady. As hard as it is to believe, the characters piloting the mechs naked is a legit important plot point and was not just meant as fanservice. Genuinely think the game is masterpiece

[@btchiaintkidding7837]

i just constantly keep hearing crazy insane amount of praises of this game from trustworthy reliable sources i do watch all sorta anime even can handle weird anime bs and play tons of all sorts of games, but i for some reason literally cant play games with anime aesthetics for some reason i dunno it just feels weird. but 13 sentinels might just be the one where i bite dust just to see whats all the fuss is about.

[@cruizlee214]

I loved visiting japan and i want some of their stuff like toilets and trains to come here. However im well aware that there are cultural problems that, as a tourist, i wasnt abke to see or comprehend.

[@cruizlee214]

@Apollo it's not just about my personal toilet. I want the magic toilets to be adopted across the board in America. Unfortunately I am an over the road truck driver. Every truck stop restroom I go to reminds me that we Americans aren't ready for the responsibility of magic toilets.

[@Apollo-iq1vx]

@@cruizlee214 I get that, but if Americans are too dumb to know how to install a $23.99 bidet off Amazon that's their own problem. As selfish as it is, I literally don't care if bidets become mainstream in public restrooms because I have my own private bidet that even a minimum wage worker could easily afford.

[@deadfr0g]

Truly unreal stuff. The more I listened to this, the more I became wide-eyed in amazement. And as I continued to listen, my eyes grew wider and wider. Eventually, by the end of the video, my enlarged eyes had widened to the point that their combined surface area now constituted upwards of 30% of my face. In my mind I knew that this was likely a serious medical emergency, but in my heart I knew that I looked adorable. My irises glinted brightly in the ambient light. I opened my lips and quietly spoke the only sound that my soul felt was right: “Uwuu?”

[@panpan3303]

Wide eyed? You are being infecting by the anime virus

[@k-master973]

Okay, but why do you gotta use “Wotakoi: Love is Hard for Otaku?” It’s a very down-to-earth and mature “romance” anime that handles things in a adult manner and has a good work/life balance Everything else is trash though, but that particular anime is pretty much the only one I enjoy from the genre

[@alexwynters600]

Shout out to Ryan and Tempest for scouring through the vods to bring us content during Vowshs hiatus o7

[@francescawhite4166]

If anyone wants some good modern anime/manga with lgbt rep, body positivity, and just good vibes i recommend Witch Hat Atelier and Skip and Loafer

[@beo3828]

The rampant sexualization of minors in Asian media overall is a serious issue that I see way too many people try to cover up as "cultural differences" and motherfucker that's just you saying that someone somewhere is getting off at kids (fictional or not, doesn't matter) getting raped and you think that's acceptable.

[@Seth9809]

I was a very confused 17/18 year old watching an anime once and I was very confused till I learned two things. 1. The Age of Consent is lower in Japan 2. The show was made for 15 year old boys.

[@beo3828]

@Tevo77777 which makes no sense since the last thing you'd want to show young boys is, well, rampant sexualization but here we are. It sells so fuck it. We both know the main audience is ultimately NOT young boys.

[@adeptdamage3669]

It's not like Western media is innocent in sexualizing teen characters in media either.

[@thecoolannishatk.]

False correlation.

[@blessingo7449]

THANK YOU

[@youreverydayrae]

I love anime but god i cannot stand 90% of whats out there. Hell even some if my favorite things had weirdass shit in it

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

Especially isekai/harem anime where all female characters are obsessed over OP male character for no apparent reason. Also, ridiculous amounts of fanservice.

[@MakayaAlexis-zl7xf]

It’s made for teenagers and their sexual fantasies it’s not supposed to be mature smh

[@youreverydayrae]

@@MakayaAlexis-zl7xf teens don't have the money to buy the expensive ass Blu rays and merch, it's adults that do that mostly so yes it's aimed at adults

[@MakayaAlexis-zl7xf]

@@youreverydayrae You would be suprised

[@MakayaAlexis-zl7xf]

*surprised

[@shawnhenderson2091]

The WORST problem with Anime, outside the childish slapstick comedy is the depiction of every male protagonist as aloof and women salivating over him for it...nonsense I tell ya, the most attention I got around ladies was when I was attentive and upbeat around them...when my introversion inevitably kicked in, I would never see some measurable increase in attention, rather the opposite.

[@N9ndo]

There's this thing called cultural difference.

[@shawnhenderson2091]

@@N9ndo I studied Japanese in college and had friends from all over Asia at that time, none of them found aloofness remotely interesting...maybe they are like that in Asia but it doesn't translate over here at all. Even among Asian students who came directly from Asia to study here, so not like Asian Americans, I mean actual Asian students who grew up in these places supposedly culturally inclined towards aloofness that you're implying...I'm skeptical, but maybe you're right. Tbh, I was trying to have some fun about an anime trope...nothing serious.

[@dydx_]

@@N9ndo No, no matter where you are no one will be interested in the boring person. What you watched were fantasies meant to express wish fulfillment.

[@dydx_]

​@@shawnhenderson2091 "aloofness" is counter productive at getting along with other people. I assume you know about 迷惑 in Japan since you studied the language? People like people with whom they can have a good time with, no matter the nation they are from or are currently living in. Since meiwaku is born out of a desire for harmony, this "aloofness" being appealing can not translate. People who are emotionally distant might be cool in fiction because of how mysterious and tough they seem, but in real life where multiple factors influence our ability to function such emotional coldness just adds to isolation. People are already annoyed by how difficult it can get to connect with other japanese people because of our reserved nature (Which is born out of not wanting to cause trouble for/on others or just 迷惑 ).

[@shawnhenderson2091]

@@dydx_ Exactly, I always found the aloofness being treated as mysterious and cool to be at odds with reality.

[@Kuudere_Fanboy]

Straight up negating and banning certain types of content in Japanese media is not really a good solution, because it can cause a psychological reactance. (Just like what happened when drugs got systematically illegalised, for example) And it can also cause more crime if people don't have an outlet to engage with their fantasies in a ethical way.

[@blessingo7449]

How "ethical" is it if the very act of engaging in the fantasies leads to their increase in society. Content should absolutely be banned. Every change has a reactionary opposition. It doesn't mean you should embrace deg3nracy

[@spike1000]

Vaush wants to ban weird otaku shit like loli? It’s one thing to not like it or wanna see it but that’s ridiculous.

[@wulfleyn6498]

That's maybe why some of my favourite japanese manga is about adult punk characters or characters who don't follow normal work culture and do other things, the story between the characters isn't ever restricted by the environment and can often be expanded by enviornmental storytelling.

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

Plz give me recommendations\favourites for series in this genre

[@amethystimagination3332]

This is part of why I think the amount of manga and anime being released where the main character dies and is reincarnated into a fantasy world is a bad sign. In a country with sky high suicide rates, having so much media based on the idea that your life would be better if you died is really irresponsible to say the least.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

The amount of isekai anime has become absurd. Give me more yuri giant mecha anime for change.

[@dydx_]

What fucking sky high suicide rate? Like I swear y'all just talk out of your ass here based on shitty ancient stereotypes. Japan's suicide rate is by 12.2 per 100k, placing it at 49th if we rank nations by suicide rate globally, to contrast this compare it with the US which ranks 31 with a rate of 14.5/100k. More context, Sweden is place 47th, India 41, Finland 38, Belgium 35, South Korea 12th, Russia 11th, Lesotho 1st. Stop stereotyping based on your shitty racist gossip.

[@hydrolox3953]

​@@ExtremeMadnessXno. Give me an Ace Combat 7 anime.

[@Kuudere_Fanboy]

Wasn't there a study about the isekai genre where people consuming it were actually not trying to commit suicide?

[@msaoichan]

Shinzo Abe wasn't a fascist, but he was one in training. Considering that his grandfather was Nobusuke Kishi, let's just be grateful Abe didn't have the sort of power his Grandpappy did.

[@neidhardt8093]

This might be a nitpick, but Vaush is wrong about Blurays being the source of money for Anime. Bluray sales no longer matter in how much a show is successful because of the popularity of streaming in the past couple of years. Also his definition of Otaku is really outdated.

[@BrandonPilcher]

How much Western porn do dudes in Japan actually consume? There is porn being made in Japan, and I presume most of the male as well as the female actors are ethnic Japanese. So, while Japanese men in Japan might be familiar with the "small East Asian penis" stereotype circulating in Western culture, they may not be as affected by it if they mostly watch Japanese-made porn. So I don't know if I agree with Vaush's argument that Japanese men are insecure about their masculinity due to how Western porn portrays Asian men.

[@inteallsviktigt]

Probably nothing. Walking around their porn stores it's close to zero western content surprisingly

[@femboyexpert313]

They have like, a lot of bbc stuff in Japanese porn too

[@dydx_]

Japanese men are not insecure about their masculinity due to western porn. Vaush is doing the opposite of anime weebs who think they know japan because they watch anime. It's really gross and I wish he would take his time to actually research and ask japanese people instead of blatantly spouting this nonsense. There are almost no foreigners in Japan, no japanese person cares about western men and most japanese men do not even care about penis size. The size thing is some weird American obsession. The entire video is really gross.

[@WeenusMcMenace-dm6ep]

I would guess around the same amount as an average American watches foreign adult films- not a lot but enough to know a thing or two. There's this interview channel (I think it was Asian Boss) that asked Japanese people what they think about Western P*rnos vs local ones. The one through line that both the male and female interviewees mentioned was "tree trunk"

[@melaniey.5596]

It would be difficult to know, as Japan has very stringent pornography censorship laws, in that they can’t show/need to have censored/blurred pubic hair and the s*x genitalia. Western porn doesn’t usually doesn’t censor the genitalia, even less the pubic hair, so their distribution must be ilegal in Japan, or at least heavily impractical as it requires the extra work of doing the censoring manually. So it’s consumption would be done “underground” and so difficult to census its rate of consumption.

[@muthesquirrel]

I notice in Japanese romance manga, just holding hands is a HUGE deal. Plus other childish things like indirect kisses or a hug, even though the people involved are 17 rather than 7.

[@emilchan5379]

It is a Asian culture thing, where social interactions are very context heavy and reliant on non-verbal cues. Not too sure how to explain it. Where I grew up, people were very wary about things like that, though it has changed nowadays.

[@muthesquirrel]

@@emilchan5379 I understand it's a culture thing, but putting pressure on people to believe even the slightest touch has deep meaning and that you must just KNOW what others want is ganna make them just not wanna interact at all.

[@smileyp4535]

Hentai is really bad about the labia minora thing, idk if I've ever really seen it, it's probably just easier not to draw it tbh

[@armeetapus16]

Anyone here seen Princess Jellyfish? Co-lead character is a drag queen and its great

[@BurningRubber454]

Mid

[@dragonicdoom3772]

The work culture is so bad that there's an official legal term for death by overworking: karoshi

[@nielsjensen4185]

The thing with youth in Hentai is also a consequence of the culture of Conservative ideology. In Japanese culture, women are considered Christmas Cakes, only desirable until they turn 24.

[@SilverDragonJay]

welcome to: the shit that made me give up my teenage desire to move to japan. I'd love to visit, don't get me wrong, but I don't think I'd ever want to stay there for more then 6 months. Ah, how your perspective and priorities change as we age and learn....which is a polite way to say that we're all stupid when we're young. That being said: I am extremely envious of their infrastructure and incredibly walkable cities. Those trains man...mhm...those trains....

[@thecoolannishatk.]

I love their trains and bike rideable pathways but I would never live there, as an American, like you said. Prefer Germany or the Netherlands instead. I don't even watch anime, if anything, I was a contrarian to anime for a while

[@sea_triscuit7980]

I'm extremely particular about my anime, my brother said i have the best recommendations because he knows he doesnt have to worry about Otaku type stuff or Harem anime. Also theres the squealy voice work, if i hear it once, i cant watch it anymore. Black Lagoon is what Anime should be, God Troubles Me is another good one if you like whackiness. Theres plenty of great anime but its all like diamonds in a coal mine, and the coal are fan service anime with no substance

[@samuraimai4874]

Thoughts on Lupin The 3rd? The fanservice can be cringe at times and Fujiko annoys me but overall its an all time GOAT

[@youreverydayrae]

Black Lagoon! I adore that series

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

@Sea Triscuit Have you recommended Paranoia Agent yet? It’s an easy 10/10 in my book.

[@sea_triscuit7980]

​@@samuraimai4874 Lupin is different because he's old-school, without the fan service, it'd lose its flavor haha I agree with you It can be cringe but I'm talking moreso the anime like "Records of Ragnarok" or that terrible Roman Bath one we pretend doesn't exist haha

[@adeptdamage3669]

Still better than modern American animation.

[@Turquerina]

Bro, I'm still salty that Stars Aligns got cancelled! It had so much potential and there was even a teaser at the end for another sequel but I guess good shows can't last long I guess... That being said, I might check out that Little Witch Hat Atelier though, it looks pretty wholesome.

[@bobbybooshay5388]

w- what does "servicing their sons" mean? Please tell me it doesn't mean what I think it does because that's fucked beyond belief.

[@thestoneddog]

As a hentai connoisseur i will tell you its exactly what you think.

[@ChaseDarkFox96]

I know approximately fuck all about Japan, but I'm left wondering how much of that conservative dating culture (guy always makes the first move, chick shouldn't be outwardly interested) is perpetuated by the existence of extremely influential organised crime groups.

[@Windmill360]

I think the emphasis on middle school and high school has more to do with the main demographic of shonen and shojo manga, which is aimed at teenage boys and girls. School dynamics are also a universally relatable experience and an easy setting for coming-of-age stories or other stories involving character transformations and "improving one's rank" which is highly valued in Japqn.

[@stephennootens916]

Is it me or is thicker women in manga growing popular? I have come across a few in the last couple years.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

We have so many physical spaces for people to congregate because us millennials at least still do that you know actually go out instead of relying on social media

[@Notllamalord]

I never realized that the reason all anime takes place in high school because Japanese people cannot relate at all to happy adults

[@magnadramon0068]

That's not true at all that's just some twitter anthropology.

[@NoFuqinIdea]

Consumerism in Japan is a problem in general. When I lived there I was walking by a very cheap looking western style church and I kept wondering if it belonged to a christian community or a cult or sth. I looked it up on Maps and I shit you not: They built it for western style weddings exclusively. That was the buildings only purpose. In the middle of the city.

[@SidheKnight]

That is quite common in Japan. People there liked the whole paegentry of western style weddings (due to the influence of western media) but aren't really interested in the religious meaning behind the "aesthetic". It's no different that western people getting "Yin-Yang" tatoos without any understanding of the symbol, only that it looks "cool" and "asian".

[@Cless012]

My wife decided to pick up 13 sentinels on a whim and it turned out to be one of my favorite games that year just because of its story. One of the few games where i would love to forget the story just to experience it again.

[@alexcamarillo3240]

Just farted

[@sea_triscuit7980]

Sasuke Kun!

[@fisheryboi835]

Cutting edge sociopolitical commentary.

[@caad5258]

Holy fuck, its so fucking weird that every second anime is set in highschool. Its good anime as well...

[@velelimaka9040]

As a Japanese person it's really funny to hear that' how western weeb's think understands Japan and analyse it. don't get me wrong I don't think they're wrong, but no matter how weeb they are, I often find they can only see things from a Western (American?) point of view.

[@LittleMissMadeline]

What about it is western, may I ask? What does the Japanese point of view look like?

[@velelimaka9040]

@@LittleMissMadeline Vaush says that Japanese men feel inferior like Asian Americans but Japan is almost a homogenous nation, so in the first place, we are not conscious to race as Americans are.

[@aa9945]

it seems you are the unaware one. Japanese people are very aware of race, they literally had a “we are the superior race” type empire during WWII in which they committed major atrocities. There are still nationalists in japan who claim that they should control korea. America exported their media to the entire world for a century, everyone in a major devloped nation is at least somewhat aware of race. Plus, japanese people consume porn made outside of their own country (because it’s uncensored) in which asian men are emasculated. It doesnt matter that there are no americans there to emasculate them.

[@MakayaAlexis-zl7xf]

I also think it’s strange that vaush uses Hentai as a reference for how Japanese guys when we wouldn’t use porn as a reference.

[@aa9945]

@@MakayaAlexis-zl7xf ...u seen JAV? it's like really r4pey and the actresses literally look sad most of the time. hentai and jav are not too far apart in execution. Also, i think u might have missed the part of the video where he was talking abt how western porn affects men in the west as well. he basically said something along the lines of "average dick size in the US is 5 inches, average dick size in porn is like 7. it leads to a lot of american men feeling insecure about their dick size" which is true. Admittedly, such a problem couls be stopped with better sex ed but oh well; this is just the way things are at the moment

[@jakublutek9361]

What a gross segment, bunch of stereotypes for 15 mins with nobody having actual knowledge of the issues talked about, plus chat that feels comfortable being racist again Japanese.

[@goodpol5022]

9:40 Has anyone found this article??????????? I refuse to believe this until I find the news story. Did the title have all caps or emojis? Di it have any all caps anywhere in the text? Buzz words? Credible/consistent news source?

[@Alex-cw3rz]

My issue with it, is I worry that if you get obsessed with anime, especially in a onanism way. It could make you have unrealistic expectations for who you would want as a partner. As the proportions in most anime don't exist on real humans, and lets not talk about the private parts and the faces are obviously very different from how a human face actually looks, i.e. no one's nose looks like that.

[@samfish2550]

I mean... Do people actually look for that tho.... Like the sheer lack of any realism being remotely attempted.... Ok on second thought we're talking to people online in 2023 of course this is an issue.

[@otadota8864]

This is genuinely silly

[@x1toxickiller]

I highly doubt people are going to Japan and are expecting a Rias Gremory out there

[@Alex-cw3rz]

​@@otadota8864 why?

[@BleedForTheWorld]

My issue is that it's more than that. You can get rid of the entirety of anime but you still won't be able to get rid of the same structures that exist in the real world when it comes to commodified beauty standards under capitalism. Thus, it's pretty neoliberal and SJW of leftists to keep bringing that up about anime. What next? Video games for unrealistic proportions?

[@alecburrett7482]

8:20 To increase birth rate: reduce work hours, 37.5 a week max, maximum 2.5 hours overtime, overtime and Sunday working are paid at a minimum of 1.5 normal rate by law, minimum 1 hour lunch break by law; build high quality, council houses like crazy, town houses that have large floor plan and are 5 stories high; this is to reduce land footprint; a quarter of these must have a lift and the rent for these is the same; less mobile people get these from council. Cities must be well designed with cheap public transport; buses, trams, etc; no less than, a quarter of the land use in a block area must be green space; touching grass is important; each front door must always be within 500m of a park, a third of the green spaces must include a children's play area; that cannot take up less than, half of the individual green space; a green space, containing a children's play area, must be within 500m of each front door; no less than a tenth of the green spaces must be dog parks; a dog park must be not less than, three times the minimum green space area; zoomies are important; dog parks must be within 1500m of each front door. There's more, but these are a start.

[@thecoolannishatk.]

Are we talking about the Japanese or the Americans because the latter has something to gain from everything you're talking about

[@alecburrett7482]

@@thecoolannishatk. I was talking about Japan. Hmm, seems strange America could benefit from the same things. Almost if, these were universal good things.

[@bigj7867]

As a conservative I 100% agree with you on this take

[@meltryllis6239]

Jinako Carigiri is an example of a chubby anime girl (woman she's like 29 or 30, she's a NEET/nerd type of character.) Her design is also really pretty too! She has long brown unkempt hair and glasses. Wears jeans and a yellow tank top with a black cardigan with a small white cross-body purse.

[@ultraprincesskenny6790]

I got an ad for oil and gas. Unrelated to the video but I'm not happy about that how do I make that go away permanently

[@Kenshinxxx0019]

Please don't just generalize a whole group as pedophiles 😮‍💨 it's way to Republican Right

[@lapiscenturion]

I mean he calls Republicans fascist all the time so why wouldn't he generalize anyone else.

[@emilchan5379]

It is just Vaush being hyperbolic, just ignore it when does that.

[@BurningRubber454]

@@lapiscenturion says while the left are pro terrorist groups (black live matter and antifa

[@CrossbonesCMC32]

Why is it stuttering audio when he says "sex"?

[@tylerhackner9731]

True

[@EllipsisMark]

What is Vaush on about with 13 Sentinels? I've been meaning is play it, but I went to find an LP, and there's no sex stuff in it. I'm skipping around to prevent spoilers, but is mostly just menus. Looking boring in fact.

[@IEcLiPsEI95]

This is so funny comming right after an Anime page says the otakus are angry on so many non virgin girls in Anime.

[@malum9478]

13 sentinels is one of those hidden gem games that no one knows about and in which no one who knows about it can TELL YOU anything about it other than "fucking play it it's insane". and yeah, it's referencing basically all of sci-fi. men in black, war of the worlds, matrix, bodysnatchers, alien, irobot, etc. and it ain't subtle either, they literally quote passages of sci fi literature in game, it's nuts. it's also a little too comfortable with imperial japan but that's another topic. edit: also yes, there is legitimately, a VERY GOOD story reason for the nudity and that isn't even cope

[@pretzel1313]

The newest Gundam seems to have some positive representation of plús sized characters so far as I've seen (no spoilers please). Also, NEET ≠ hikkikomori. Some NEETs go out, some are shut-ins.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

You mean Gundam Witch from Mercury. Actually great anime without forced fanservice, also great yuri that's actually an important part of the plot.

[@BurningRubber454]

“Plus characters” Fat people

[@VooshSpokesman]

Love from a MothersBasement and Nuxanor fan!

[@N9ndo]

The most popular genre in anime/manga is shonen, like its name indacte they are targeted toward teenagers, which is the reason they are mostly in high school/have high school age characters. On another note, thinking hentai is reflective of japanese sexuality is like thinking porn is reflective of Us sexuality, just like with everything there's plenty of cultural context that is most likely hard to grab because of how different the language is. Hikkikomori means shut-in, and there's a big cultural context other than them being incels, because, japan is after all quite different culturally. On a final note, i'm surprised few talk about Yamato/Oden/Kaido's son, in One piece who is clearly trans and contrary to the okamas, it's meant to be taken seriously rather than in the joking way the okamas are taken.

[@x999uuu1]

Yeah its different culturally and shit culturally

[@melaniey.5596]

That’s true, though there should be noted that their is a big preference for the financing and promotion of shounen content over shoujo content in the anime and manga industry because of Japan’s pervasive misogyny (also because most big wigs are old dudes that make the money and opportunities flow to what appeals to them). So while it seems that shounen must be the most popular genre because it’s the one most pushed forward, it’s also a lot the opposite in the shounen is popular “or the most common” because it’s the most pushed forward. Colleen Anime Recs in her “The Decline of Shoujo Anime” video and basic boy in “the shounen urge to be… shoujo?” talk about it. Very interesting, also to learn a lot about what differentiates shoujo from shounen.

[@MakayaAlexis-zl7xf]

It’s because power fantasy is more popular than romance not because of misogyny

[@user-nz2kw2ol9d]

I started working as car salesman. And I'm thinking about quit my job. It's not so bad work condition. 5days working in a week 9hours a day. Salary is not bad as a new face. But as u know, pressure is fucking heavy. I made one mistake,my boss blames me. If I have a trouble and I don't know how to solve it, Because of office atomo sphere is so bad under pressure and busyness I can't ask coworkers or boss. My character is not sociable so it made pressures heavier. I think it's normal that work is something like that but I can't endure.

[@aquack9919]

Witch Hat Atelier is quite good. The creator is really cool and progressive

[@halleffect5439]

This comment boosts the algorythm, or how ever its spelled

[@Invalourrr-vb3xo]

algerithem*

[@q.s.9810]

algebra

[@hoofie7371]

aligator

[@halleffect5439]

Ah yeah here is that guy after which it is named: Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī

[@Diogenes_ofSinope]

​@@halleffect5439 such a cool name

[@aristizle8797]

You want a day off? Get isekai'd.

[@deadcaliph6414]

Imagine being a young man who is dragged to go have drinks with his boss after work because said boss' son doesn't call him, because he is dragged to have drinks with his boss after work because said boss' son doesn't call him, because he is dragged to have drinks with his boss after work because said boss' son doesn't call him.

[@TheSnoClan]

Doesn’t the tendency for women in japanese media to not be actively sexual contradict itself with the trope that in anime only the guy friendzones like every girl. Maybe it is inherently contradictory.

[@viCoN24]

Thank god Vaush didnt talk about the idea of teenagers having to repopulate planet in 13 Sentinels.

[@eduardorivera8996]

Why is this guy an expert in japan society? Just curious, did he live there or something?

[@inteallsviktigt]

He isn't. It's surprisingly how wrong he is

[@BurningRubber454]

He’s not he’s a fake anime fan Taking about Japanese culture while knowing nothing

[@heyy1829]

hes into hentai

[@rogue8903]

In Japan, IT IS NEVER LIKE WHAT YOU SEE AND WATCH ON ANIMES. It is actually the opposite because in anime, the setting is bright, and the characters are always optimistic no matter what. In reality, Japan has had a fluctuating suicide rate over the past few years because depression is very common with the workers in the country. Many of them decide to quit their jobs and end their lives because they feel trapped within the labour system.

[@Echo81Rumple83]

so the japanese culture is somewhat similar to the Victorian era? aka "like back and think of England" sort of sexual repression? JFC, what IS it with how it psychologically breaks a person's brain like that? even i think Freud was off the mark. no, seriously, i'm asexual; i only just want cuddles and that's it, so i can't understand the obsession with getting laid. hell, i HAD a sexual relationship before, and i was lying to myself that i could be demi despite being truly in love.

[@poposterous236]

didn't realize Timothee Chalamet played anime Karl Marx

[@zleeven]

13 sentinels was made by the same studio that made odin sphere, muramasa and dragons crown. So they are know for gorgeous 2d art that can be sexualize.

[@lordabaddon8683]

Vaush shitting on 13 sentinals’ plot shows that he hasnt played it lol

[@michaeljames2349]

I lived in South Korea and they have a very similar problem

[@mikelcampbell6072]

I've lied about my size saying it's an inch smaller

[@MomsterGirl]

More 👏Vaush 👏anime 👏 content! 👏

[@dillydilly1595]

I really hate how some words like sex, porn, fighting is censored in KZbin vids because people want it demonetized so they can get more money and shit

[@Alias_Anybody]

Regarding hot Marx, I wouldn't rule that one out at all. I mean we for example all know Bismarck as that Walrus looking old guy but he was apparently considered to be really charming and attractive in his 20s.

[@JuliusCeasar-sd6uj]

Off-topic but are you anti-feminist? I think I saw someone with a similar name and pfp commenting something really sexist

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@JuliusCeasar-sd6uj No. And now please take your meds.

[@NyJoanzy]

6:08 - "Guys they want more sex but also slut shame the women who get more sex. " It's not a contradiction of your gay🌈🌈🌈

[@dydx_]

"conservative dating culture" lmfao, yeah maybe visit the country first before talking about it? You're talking about Kokuhaku, I would assume? Which I guess? But dating doesn't really exist here the same way it does in the US. Japanese women are fairly open when it comes to their sexual drive, it's not uncommon to hear people complain about the lack of initiation in japanese men. This entire video is making me question where Vaush even got his information from, it's kinda gross...

[@francescawhite4166]

YOOOOO WITCH HAT ATELIER MENTION LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO

[@crusader4536]

So basically working conditions in Japan are no different from America's