How JPG can help you to be BETTER - [5 tips about using jpg]

[@aerialfilm1]

Bravo for speaking kindly of using jpg and art filters. Not everyone enjoys post processing and many people just want some simplicity to their photography. I feel too many starting and even advanced photographers get KZbin-shamed into using techniques and settings that are beyond their experience or needs, and subsequently give up in frustration. Thank you 🙏

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thanks.

[@youknowwho9247]

Yeah, how dare other KZbinrs encourage people to become better photographers by learning post processing.

[@valdiskrebs566]

I started photography shooting Kodachrome, it was the BEST teacher on getting your exposures correct. Now I shoot JPG only, and if the image is not good, it is feedback for the photographer on becoming better - just like Kodachrome was.

[@gabithemagyar]

I may be a barbarian but I shoot only JPEG. In practice, most of the shots I take while travelling are close enough to what I find satisfactory that the minor adjustments to brightness, contrast and sharpness possible on a JPEG are enough, if necessary at all. Mostly I may just crop a little bit to fine tune the composition. The instances where I would want to bring out the details in a deep shadow or do similar major corrections are so rare that I just can't be bothered to use RAW. I rather spend the time taking pictures and looking over my pictures than doing post processing. I should note that I am not a fan of photos which are over processed and unnatural looking, although there are some masters of post-processing that can achieve very artistic and dramatic results. Some landscape shots are almost "fantasy art". Depends on what you look for from your photography : to each his own :-) Different strokes for different folks !

[@robertcudlipp3426]

And another barbarian. Am way over those who seem seem to believe that unless you both shoot Raw and spend sooh much time in post. Maybe I am lazy, but the prospect of spending lengthy periods in front of a computer tweaking images.

[@brunoeiler8192]

One more to the barbarian tribe here ..... I also hate over processed artificial images .... Unless for artistic purposes as you wrote. I still use my sony A700 ....love this old hammer :-))))

[@youknowwho9247]

A properly post processed image will look a lot more natural than a jpeg, because the human eye sees with significantly more dynamic range than a jpeg can ever record. Simply loading raw files into lightroom and hitting "apply auto settings to all" will also achieve better results than in camera jpeg compression 99% of the time. Takes no time at all. And if there's one particular image one wants to spend more time on, all the data to do so is there. Shooting jpeg really is just giving the camera creative control over post processing.

[@Bleauskies]

I like the majority of my creative process to happen before I release the shutter.

[@robinwong]

Interesting Peter, my next video will be about Olympus JPEG too! Great minds think alike.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes, they do! Looking forward to your video and see if I missed something important. Always learning from your videos.

[@albertocugat9689]

Great minds have to speak of Color Creator, the beast misunderstood by many ... and very little promoted.

[@geebee2276]

Great. eagerly await your video Robin. Between your’s and Peter’s channels, we are spoilt for choice - both such high quality videos, Always make a point of watching both.

[@AaronSmith-sx4ez]

Thanks for posting this. Granted many camera snobs look down on OOC jpgs, but in reality they are super useful. For some spending 20 minutes per photo doing PP is too much...especially for large batches of photos. The convenience is important...this is part of why smartphones are so popular...no raw processing! Also you CAN do many post processing tricks with jpgs...extreme shadow/highlight recovery? No. But much of everything else...surprisingly yes..raw snobs don't know because they simply don't try. Additional tips that I would add.... 1) Kill "keep colors warm" 2) Natural is good for people...but for landscapes you need vivid or i-enhance 3) Noise reduction should be set to low to avoid excess blurring...off is too "gritty" 4) I-enhance has a low setting that looks very nice 5) Some of the scene modes (beach/sunset/etc) sometimes actually work 6) Auto-gradation can help reduce harsh shadows when using a flash

[@ForsgardPeter]

Good points, Thanks for sharing.

[@MichaelGerrard]

Thanks Peter, I agree, I like taking photos, not editing them! I learnt lot by using jpeg because there is no safety net, I need to get it right in the camera.

[@richardpriestley477]

More very practical thoughts and ideas Peter which continue to be welcomed to help make that difference,

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thank you.

[@RobShootPhotos]

I love the highlight and shadow curve and I'm actually impressed with how well the camera preforrms hand holding a slow shutter in HDR. I don't know if I'm will to shut off RAW but I have posted photos straight out of camera JPEG by carefully taking the time out adjusting settings.

[@wickie4801]

(Need no answer, but I wonder:) where from do you get the whole ideas/energy to make all videos, Live Chats, normal job as professional photographer, private life...so much (work) to do every day. Think, you are a passionate and excited enthusiast for photography. It´s amazing! And: Olympus can be glad to have such visionaires, ambassadors etc...Peter Forsgard, Robin Wong, Jimmy Cheng, (Fotomo) and so on. Seems, that they all are true fans of the company, having fun to explain the equipment and use for users. And this help is more worth than every advertising could be. Because of the real help and passion that is noticeable. Which other company in the game does have this craft/skill to convince People on this way? THIS IS A GREAT ARGUMENT FOR OLYMPUS! So you have the feeling, you are not alone after buying. And I hope, therefore too, Olympus will not be going down. They do more as others - to give fun and support to the people who use the cameras. I never heard this saying anyone but this Philosophy is so important. You buy Sony for understanding, Fuji for vintagefeeling, Panasonic for Video, Canon for simpicity (hey is there anyone buying Nikon out there, Smile) - but you buy OLYMPUS AT HEART!

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thank you very much. To be honest it is not always so easy to make videos twice week. On the other hand photography is a vats area and there are so many things that can be covered. I loved the way you said: Buy Olympus by heart.

[@Centauri27]

I remember being wowed by the Dramatic Tone filter on my E-P1. I think it's time to try JPEG again for the fun and simplicity! Especially for non-critical shoots like family events.

[@The58stupot]

Dramatic Tone in B+W Omg !

[@hurleygreen927]

Speaking as a primarily JPEG Nikon camera dude, I appreciate this information! Thanks...

[@ForsgardPeter]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Photo-Design-Studio]

Thanks for another great lesson or two :)

[@jannouta4801]

2:05, yes there is a contrast slider, from -2 to +2. Yours is on -2 actually :). Also there is a saturation and a gradation slider. Oly is perfect for jpeg shooting I think!

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes, you can use the slider for tweaking the individual picture mode. A universal slider does not exist, but a curve tool does. But you are right should have been more accurate what I said.

[@joeltunnah]

I’ve shot jpeg only for the last 10 years. I often edit them too. It’s never been a problem, and I prefer the in-camera sharpening and color over Lightroom.

[@geebee2276]

Great video Peter. Thank you. Very informative and will try some dedicated JPEG shots. The temptation to only shoot RAW and get that “amazing shot” in post is right up there - so much so, that maybe we don’t concentrate enough on getting it right straight out of the camera - like we had to do in the film era. Thanks to your video, I’m going to try this - it’s quite a challenge - to get that magical shot with no post improvements. That in itself has got to be one of the best teaching tools to becoming a better photographer.

[@ForsgardPeter]

I hope you try it and see what it can give. Remember you can always shoot both, raw and jpg. Just in case.

[@robfj3414]

I found this video quite insightful, Peter. A reminder that a well thought out and well planned photo shouldn't need hours of post-processing. I've gone back and forth over the years between shooting RAW + JPG or just JPG. I've recently started shooting both again just to gain some more post processing experience but I really don't see it as being a necessity. These points speak to what your camera can do for you at "the scene of the crime" with a bit of pre-planning to get great results.

[@ForsgardPeter]

What can camera do for you is a great saying.

[@fotofritte3586]

Great!

[@michaelconchscooter8940]

I love the simplicity of JPG and you have encouraged me to try adding an S curve to my custom black and white setting thank you. I was turned on to the shadow white balance setting ( the house symbol with triangle) which I find gives photos a richness of color that I like.

[@jerry2357]

I always take jpeg and raw together. I can use the monochrome mode or art filters to get something interesting that can be uploaded straight away, but I have the raw file that I can go back to if I want to try something different later. The selective colour art filter is great for photographing British post boxes! Also, if you've saved a raw file, you can process it later in camera when reviewing the images, for instance to try several different the art filters on the same raw file.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thanks for sharing. Good tips!

[@AnandaSim]

I see your other followers are happy to remind us of things you missed. * Colour Creator is a big creative tool and the later PEN-F etc had an enhanced one * Each Color Profile has separate adjustments for Contrast, Saturation, Sharpening, * Gradation set to Auto does Apical calculation of shadows, you can also have High and Low * White Balance is important for JPEG * Colorspace is not important in raw. Raw has no Colorspace, JPEG has. * Choosing of sharpening and Noise Reduction is important in jpeg * You can do Art Filter Bracketing * There is a Keep Colors Warm setting * You can choose a different aspect ratio than 4:3 for jpeg * You can shoot raw and develop to JPEG in camera with Olympus - so the raw did not leave the camera and the jpeg is not post processed outside the camera 😂😏😉

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thanks. Yes, there are a lot of things that can be done. There is a lot to cover for the part 2 video...

[@AnandaSim]

@@ForsgardPeter There is a Part 2? Maybe even a Part 3! :) Oh, and also to mention that one of the better ways to make a monochrome photo is to use the Color Creator, make the adjustment more yellow/orange/red and then roll the dial so that the image is completely desaturated :)

[@FRPORTER160367]

For many years, I shot only jpegs. Then I started shooting in raw. Whilst being able to post produce has been interesting, I have found the process of taking photographs far less fun. Know that you can get it wrong makes me think more about what I was shooting. I can shoot both RS and jpeg both but even that has not been as interesting. I have therefore returned to shooting JPEG’s only, even for critical photography. I have also been shooting film, and in many ways, I feel that shooting jpeg feels more like shooting film.

[@mfreider]

Nice points! Thank you Peter! This video will especially useful for someone who is using Pens bodies for travel, so he/she can do lots of adjustments right in camera and publish photos (jpegs) right away without need to post process them. And “built in” photoshop in Olympus bodies are quite powerful. Btw, for starter I would recommend to load some raw in OWS and play with it there. Because practically almost all adjustments in OWS available with camera. So, easy to replicate. Nice hoodie! Real cool one!

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thank you.

[@momchilyordanov8190]

I always shoot RAW+JPEG. If the jpg is good, I use it without corrections. Btw, I often tell people, that buying new model cameras will give them better JPEGs. These are changing too, not only the sensors. And about Olympus - in the last several years, I had cameras from Canon, Nikon, Panasonic and Olympus. I find Olympus JPEGs to be among the best.

[@joeltunnah]

I still have my Olympus C-5050 from 2003. The jpegs are great. :-)

[@patrick.771]

I noticed that when I downloaded lots of sample files from different cameras in the last weeks. JPEG files got a lot better (but also RAWs) ... I compared many cameras and lenses and the one's that impressed me most were Sony A7(R) III with Tamron lenses and Nikon Z50.

[@youknowwho9247]

Those jpeg advancements are utterly useless, because raw files and processing options get better at a much faster pace. A slightly better jpeg engine is a crutch for MFT, because manufacturers know the system is pretty much dead and don't want to invest huge sums into sensor R&D.

[@joeltunnah]

Landscope 360, go troll somewhere else.

[@ruuddirks5565]

Fix it in post is indeed a rescue mission for a flawed set-up. I consider post mainly as a way to achieve effects that cannot be done easily in-camera.

[@youknowwho9247]

Post isn't for fixing, it's for perfecting. Shooting jpeg is shooting yourself in the foot.

[@Bleauskies]

Perfection is subjective.

[@Linealo]

Raw+Jpg is what does it for me. Trying to match the jpg from the raw taught me a lot about how manufacturers process the images and how I should or can do it too for pleasing images. What I found is that sometimes I can't match those just with Lightroom because the cameras analyse the scenes in different ways. Just recently I photographed woolen socks for a product shot and while the jpg rendered the socks in their nice shades of grey, the rawconverter (Lightroom in my case) processed them with more blues in the blacks and yellows in the whites. When trying to desaturate the blues to fit it also changed the blue sky which was not desaturated in the jpg. The camera must have seen the difference between the sky and the socks and only chose to balance one but not the other. Without masks or Photoshop this would be impossible just in RAW. That's kinda when I learned that my JPGs are far more superior than I first thought - especially when well exposed. Raw really just is better when you do heavy lifting.

[@youknowwho9247]

Masking options exist in lightroom. The problem you had can be fixed literally in seconds. This comment is a good example of why shooting jpeg is a bad idea. People who don't shoot raw never properly learn post processing.

[@sstansm7f]

Concerning Art filters. I often use Adobe color profiles available in Lr. I would like to have them inside Olympus. I understand it's matter of intellectual property and it would be nice if Olympus would have an option to load them with firmware for additional price. May be Adobe won't sell them but there are lot profiles created by private photographers and designers. Anyway these profiles are whole area to improve the camera. Also I found that some Adobe profiles help saving pictures in situations with high contrast and too white bright light.

[@hoepfnerhusselmann947]

Greetings from South Africa Thank you Peter for a informative video. Your information is always well thought out and well researched. Winter started today and will probably be done by Monday, so I'll be hiding inside this weekend and will be experimenting with JPeg. Hoepfner

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thanks. We have had the first summer days here in Finland.

[@albertocugat9689]

When learning photography or the camera, it is important not to depend on developing or post-production. Better on-camera solutions and shoot and experiment. RAW processes should be left for more advanced phases, in my opinion that is the way to make the complex simpler and move forward. Anyway, most non-professional photographers can do without shooting in RAW, that will give them more time to shoot and more experience (or also shoot in RAW as a backup file for future use, or not).

[@ForsgardPeter]

Recording raw and jpg is a good choice.

[@albertocugat9689]

@@ForsgardPeter Yes, of course, but an Olympus is a lot of camera for any photographer and even more so if you are a beginner. I see it as a dosage of possibilities, for the first days and for many people who do not want to or cannot spend time in post production. I see it as a first step and also save in RAW, although that RAW is not revealed yet. It is a going from less to more.

[@rocking1313]

JPG only, can't imagine post processing almost every RAW file- hobby photographer shooting mostly during travel!

[@raymondbohn2852]

Will the muted setting allow easier highlight and shadow recovery? Is it the same as a basic reverse s curve?

[@ForsgardPeter]

Similar, there is also a curves setting in Olympus cameras.

[@DodderyIceDry]

Interesting but I do have a question although it is very small. "White Balance". I welcome your thoughts.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes White balance is also important and should have mentioned that using AutoWB is in most cases the best way.

[@xms111]

Peter - With this tutorial focusing on JPEG, does this change any of your setup recommendations from your ETTR tutorial from 4 yrs. ago? In that video you specified setting RAW for the camera and several other settings that to this unschooled amateur seem to be focused on the effect on RAW image captures.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes it does. Those recommendations are only for raw.

[@mne9476]

Peter, for RAW+jpg does setting the color space to SRGB restrict the RAW image to SRGB also?

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes, I think that is the way it goes.

[@neilcousineau4956]

Great topic. I generally only shot jpeg for a few reasons. I’m not a pro, I shoot for my personal enjoyment only, some of my photos make it to Instagram and Flicker, ans some make it to frames on my walls. These are mostly 10 x 12 and the jpegs look great.

[@paololarocca7684]

now I understand why when I upload on Instagram the colours change quite visibly (they desaturate)....I should export using sRGB instead of AdobeRGB...

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes, sRGB works better.

[@kornasteniker3939]

Peter, what's up with your intro? Missing something between "coming up" and "Hi there..."

[@ForsgardPeter]

I have not had an intro for a while. Do you think I should have?

[@kornasteniker3939]

@@ForsgardPeter i'm completely ok with both types, either with or without an intro. Just was wondering because it sounded like you forgot to edit your intro into this video ;-)

[@lorenschwiderski]

JPG is working fine for me. Smaller files, and a short bit of tweaking of the pics out of the camera, and I am good to go! Yes, I know RAW will have more data to work with. I enjoy shooting more, and pixel peeping less. JPGs take up less storage space, both at home, and on the Cloud. Faster uploads/downloads. I am using SmugMug for my photo site. lorenschwiderski.smugmug.com/ -Loren

[@zimagorec]

Подожди не торопись. Настрою переводчик и нажму лайк :)

[@douglasallen511]

Please say that in English. Thank you.

[@mfreider]

Douglas Allen “Please slowdown little bit. I will fix my translator and will press a ‘Like’”

[@extremelydave]

If you can take good JPEG's without needing much editing, you can do anything!!!! Now if we could only have a huge dynamic range sensor........

[@youknowwho9247]

You can. If you shoot full frame.

[@bikeandsee1647]

Whoever has not found a way to process with ease RAW files, there is a world apart separating him/her from the minimum potential of his/her digital file. Kindly notice that I am not talking at all about elaborated technics of photo finishing. Going down towards degrading what you have seen at the field, there is the option of even NOT processing your jpg. By shooting jpgs only you are already alike buying strongly outdated color film. No doubt you will have "something", to which you can adapt your expectations, but no more. Then, not even adjusting contrast nor levels of black or saturation, is a self defeatng way no expensive camera/lens can help you. The tragedy is that you will be bumping your head time and again till you get bored and leave photography. Tbe bigger tragedy is that by not learning to select you may be throwing away good stuff. Here comes the bad advice of this video, which equates to trying to post process your images already before they are born. Blind date. Of course that arranging your Menus is the abc, but Nature and Physics are more complex than your general pre-settings. The variables from picture to picture must be post addressed individually. Now, you can ask how are we going to deal indivdually wirh dozens, hundreds, thousands of images in post processing. Here you arrive to the basics of Photography, you are not suppossed to. Photography is based on Selection, to learn how to select the very few images that really matter from the rest. This is the job called Editing. You must learn by additive practice to select, and FOCUS your time on your few very best images. Arranging your Menus is as basic as buying your camera, but hoping here the job ends is a self defeating practice you will be repeating time and again without learning anything from the experience.

[@lawcch]

A real and true photographer shall not edit any digital photos because he/ she is the master of artificial or natural light understanding and composition

[@ForsgardPeter]

Not sure if this was sarcastic or not. Photos been edited as long as there has been printing.

[@youknowwho9247]

There's exactly one useful tip regarding shooting jpeg: Just don't.

[@ForsgardPeter]

I disagree. It is a good way learning to see and trying to get the image right in camera. It will help to make better originals also when shooting raw.

[@youknowwho9247]

@@ForsgardPeter A lot of high contrast situations can't be gotten right in camera with jpeg, because the compression simply deletes too much data. Shooting a lossy format when a better one is available is shooting oneself in the foot. It also teaches bad habits. A jpeg shooter can't apply ettr in many situations. He won't learn the capabilities of his camera properly. He won't learn how to properly shoot for the edit. Shooting raw and learning how to post process as soon as possible is what makes people better photographers. Toying around with in camera jpeg gimmicks may be fun for some, but it's a dead end if one actually wants to learn photography.

[@joeltunnah]

Peter Forsgård, “Landscope” is a very prolific KZbin troll. He leaves these idiotic flaming comments on dozens of videos. Your best course of action is to block him and delete his trash.

[@youknowwho9247]

@@joeltunnah The hallmark of a balanced person: Don't confront yourself with diverging opinions. Well done.