How Lionel is RUINING Nascar Diecast

For the past 8 years, Lionel has been the sole produce of Nascar Diecast. However, the diecast market is in deep trouble, with problems like the DNP list, quality issues, and excessive cost cutting. It's time for me to tell you my biggest problems with them today.
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[@EllyProductions49]

👏 beautifully produced video. I stopped collecting diecasts a few years ago and you nailed all the reasons why. Higher prices = lower quality? The math ain't mathing.

[@TheMullet11]

yo wassup elly

[@HughWanztino]

higher prices and lower quality probably comes from the fact that each scheme is one of as many as 20 schemes a team might run that year. its harder to mass produce a bunch of every scheme when each team runs so many every year. most schemes in the 90s and early 2000s would be the same every race for years at a time with some small subtle changes and the sport was at peak popularity. now nascar isn't as popular and most of the cars are irrelevant after a few races. theres probably other factors like this. all of this with NO competition because lionel has exclusive rights. the math probably maths if you don't over simplify things.

[@EllyProductions49]

@@HughWanztino If you'd actually watched the video, you'd know that 90% of those schemes don't even end up getting produced.

[@foxninjagaming]

Hey elly

[@mgtowoutlaw6950]

.....that was his point ​@@EllyProductions49

[@xander_jeffrey]

Saying a NASCAR diecast is “just a toy” is like saying a football jersey is “just a shirt”.

[@evanwilliams6406]

In fact, one advantage over football and other sports is that you can collect race cars and run a race with them as a kid. Nascar is a visible medium. You have to get all the drivers.

[@JWC924]

1/64 is literally sold in the toy department

[@Sallyam]

@@JWC924 And jerseys are literally sold in the clothing department, your point?

[@JWC924]

@@Sallyam my point is 1/64 cars are toys and people act like they aren't

[@gswizzy17]

@@JWC924maybe they are, it’s still nascar memorabilia and the most profitable form of nascar merchandise.

[@XTheManX]

The resellers are genuinely the worst type of people. They dont even want the cars they just want money.

[@NASCARRebirth]

and they always overprice them to like $50 a piece. Not to mention the horrible shipping

[@XTheManX]

@NASCARRebirth Dude yes!! I saw a Aj Allmendinger gain chase piece and he had it for 75$ as if I couldn't get the regular 1/24 for that price. It pisses me off so much

[@americanbadass88]

and if people stopped buying from resellers they would be sitting on inventory they couldn't sell........

[@Mr_Turbo_Lover]

Lionel should stop the MOQ bullcrap.

[@trev3971]

There's a reason no one else wants this license.

[@jasonlitz2907]

It's the same model that has been successful in their train line for years. I get it. Why produce what people don't want. It costs them money to put the time in of graphical, packaging and prepping a car to go to production. And if they sell 25 that doesn't recoup their investment, where atleast when it gets cancelled it was only a render image. I agree it is not the glory days where they were abundant. But also from back in the day there aren't mass amounts of diecast just warming shelves.

[@buckyes]

I understand MOQ and I don't think it's going to change. The biggest thing for me is I just started re-collecting a few years ago after having hundreds as a kid. I started re-collecting by just buying Authentics and then Gold Series cars I saw on Ebay or something. I had no idea most of those relied on other people preordering them so they hit a MOQ. I just started preordering a year or two ago and keeping tabs on cars available for preorder. I know a friend that just started collecting and I know he has no idea he has to preorder it. I know he just thinks he can order it when it's available to ship. They need to do more to promote and be transparent about the need to preorder I guess or change up that process somehow.

[@jacobevenson8702]

I seriously don't understand how people don't know this, but MOQ is NOT A LIONEL REQUIREMENT... MOQ has always been a thing with diecasts and it comes from the factories that actually make the diecasts. If it was up to Lionel they would absolutely be fine with zero MOQ and having the occasional super small run of diecasts because either way, they would be making money from selling them. MOQ does not help them in any legitimate way.

[@chancegheno8096]

If they want to produce more diecast and put the stupid DNP stuff in the past. Make 2500 1 64 Scale diecast and 500 1 24 Scale diecast

[@mattstewart9055]

Exclusivity contracts are bad for NASCAR fans. We saw it with video games, we're now seeing it with diecasts.

[@BrianIsTheGOAT594]

Lionel needs to lose their exclusive license. The factories in China don't care about us, based off of their quality, and MOQ limit, so why should we keep supporting them? Great video as always NasHawk!

[@ArnoldTriyudho]

I'd like to see Mini GT, Spark, & the others getting NASCAR license

[@7ine]

@@ArnoldTriyudhomini gt nascar diecast would be crazy

[@ArnoldTriyudho]

@@7ine With more qualities & cheaper than Lionel 🤣🤣

[@NASCARRebirth]

@@ArnoldTriyudho greenlight getting the license would be divine

[@trev3971]

@@ArnoldTriyudho Mini GT charge $80 for a 1/43 car. No doubt a Mini GT NASCAR model would be high quality, but you're dreaming if you think they'd be cheaper than Lionel.

[@Mr_Turbo_Lover]

I agree with Nashawk. I think Lionel can bounce back just like Kurt Busch did.

[@dcnascarboy0514]

This is why I'm collecting more older diecast.

[@polycube868]

Same plus I just hate the next gen especially the awful forward numbers, why pay $15 for cars I don't really like!?

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

Damn, Nashawk has dropped another banger and I wasn’t expecting this! I’ve been collecting Motorsports Diecasts from NASCAR to IndyCar to Motorsports Hot Wheels to NHRA to F1 to Trans-Am (and so on) for over a decade. It is just unfortunate to see the current state of NASCAR Diecasts the way it is.

[@BraydenBunch58]

I really wish Lionel could do better, Back in the 2000’s diecasts were REALLY good! They were accurate to the car, And the decal quality was the best. And back when the 1/64 adult collectibles were *HIGH QUALITY* and not just the regular cars with a beer logo. Now it’s just a shell of their former selves. And that’s probably cause of competition, Same with the EA Sports games. But we can do better, They can do better. We can still have hope for the best, But only time will tell….

[@TheClub94]

The longer we keep buying, the longer the problem continues...change only happens with change...

[@RolandoArreola6337]

0:37 - 0:57: This person said.. Me: What you mean they looked really good?!?! They're looked awful!! Lionel need to stop getting dnp so many good cars that people really wants

[@BraydenBunch58]

I have a Kyle Larson 2023 diecast, And the black decal on the bottom is tilted, And it aggravates the crap out of me. So yeah, They look *terrible*

[@RolandoArreola6337]

​​​@@BraydenBunch58Oh ok and agree Lionel did extremely worst to making diecast and dnp's so many good car

[@BrianIsTheGOAT594]

​@@BraydenBunch58 wow.

[@BrianIsTheGOAT594]

​@@RolandoArreola6337 I've got Bayley Currey's 2021 Mike Harmon Racing #74 Chevrolet Camaro Xfinity diecast, and you know how there should be a front number underneath the headlight? Well, it was missing, Lionel legit missed putting a decal on my diecast.💀

[@dracoarton94]

Just goes to show that Lionel should stick to making trains and let Hot Wheels have the rights to make Nascar diecasts again. The Hot Wheels nascar diecasts were really good and Mattel still has some of the casting molds on hand, such as the 2005-2007 gen 4 Dodge Charger.

[@brandencurtin4210]

While I agree. No one should have exclusive rights over all of it. We see the same problem with EA video games. With multiple able to pick and choose sets everyone up for competition.

[@dracoarton94]

@@brandencurtin4210 fair enough

[@MilesModelWorks]

Even Lionel's model trains suck and suffer from quality issues.

[@dracoarton94]

@@MilesModelWorks Have you seen their Vision Line models?

[@MilesModelWorks]

@@dracoarton94 Not yet

[@thicccheese4007]

The store I previously got diecasts, Kroger, doesn’t sell anything NASCAR which is fucking baffling considering they’re the primary sponsor for Ricky Stenhouse Jr.

[@22LIGHTNING4]

Fun fact the 2011/2012 spin master cars were based on the actual car bodies while Lionel used a generic mold (all the same) during those two years when they first took over.

[@glman99]

Brother, the spinmaster molds were AWFUL

[@TanDawg58]

"Exclusive Rights" always f*ck things up, i.e. 21 Ignition

[@LSTNSCRFN]

Amazing video NasHawk. Thanks for mentioning me in one of the images lol. PS. I think adding a segment of custom diecast and Lionel stamping them out with the paint resistent stuff from the Authentics would’ve been a great addition

[@nickhxll]

NEVER be excited about exclusivity, it’s a lesson in hindsight we all have to learn. Great video sir!

[@Hendrick_FAN]

Well said

[@TheFastLanewithIsaiah]

Exactly. He said it perfect.

[@etatboi]

Wake up babe nashawk's talking about lionel diecasts

[@Jon_FL]

Was that supposed to be funny

[@etatboi]

@@Jon_FL no im waking up my wife to tell her some important news

[@ineedmilkster6720]

as a Todd Gilliland fan, Lionel hurts me. in 3 years of him in the cup series we have only got TWO 1:64 scales, the 2022 Boot Barn, and First Phase along with the two cars in authentics, Gener8tor and A&W, which were both on the PTC mold. all the cars this year have dnp'd including his gorgeous Gener8tor throwback and i know he's gotten a fair amount in the 1:24 scale. but i just dont have the money to buy 1:24 scales that are like 80 dollars each. i got his Gener8tor 1:24 autograph, i cherish it, but i just cant keep buying them.

[@JWC924]

looks like you picked the wrong driver

[@jtd_8901]

Nascar diecast should be sold in Canada tbh.

[@gregd806]

NASCAR has to stop signing these Exculsive deals... It's bad for business...

[@johnnyroberts3761]

Stick to trains, Lionel.

[@THEDonnyB]

That's the problem with exclusivity deals. Without competition from another brand they have no reason to constantly improve quality...

[@RetroCarsForever]

Diecasts also help NASCAR as a sport...In the same way that the video games can be great intros to the sport for kids, so can diescasts!

[@Carsboy95]

The same thing happened to cars diecast back in 2018, they started making cars in Thailand, the quality got TERRIBLE. But, thankfully Thailand got better and now the cars look great again. Hopefully the same happens for nascar diecast

[@kraftydavid6864]

The old companie was just better.

[@packisbetter90]

All the old companies were

[@Rowdy_2469]

Acton/Acton racing collectibles

[@kraftydavid6864]

True

[@chelysnascarchannel]

I've been into diecast racing for 10 years thanks to the Ghostjerker channel and got interested in NASCAR through this channel. No one in France knew about NASCAR. It's understandable since it's a national sport, not an international one. I quickly became a die-hard NASCAR fan and indeed noticed the decline in the quality of Lionel's products. I started by buying lots of Racing Champions on eBay, Road Champs, brands like that. Then I quickly moved on to buying Lionel Racing or NASCAR Authentics. I’ve often been disappointed that the stickers or paint schemes were poorly executed, crooked, or sometimes even nonexistent. Plus, for example, Road Champs vehicles run on Hot Wheels tracks almost as well as Hot Wheels, but Lionel, they're just awful. The wheel axles are often misaligned, poorly assembled, and when they are well-assembled, they still don’t roll well. We're very far from the quality of Hot Wheels, for instance. I pay exorbitant prices for everything. I see you complain about prices in the States, but here in France, you add about $60 to $70 for shipping and deposits. So a wave of 9 vehicles costs about €130 ($125). So when you receive the cars after sometimes 1 to 2 months of waiting and see that only 2 out of the 9 cars roll decently, and that the paint schemes have been somewhat well reproduced, you're just disgusted. Thanks to the internet, more and more people around the world are getting interested in NASCAR. Last year, there was even a NASCAR car at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in France. I sincerely hope that Mattel will buy the rights and release real cars like they did in the 90s. Cars that accurately reproduce the paint schemes and run well on Hot Wheels tracks. And especially that could be found internationally. But maybe I'm dreaming a little too much. Anyway, I subscribed to your KZbin channel and enjoyed your video where you share your passion for diecast. See you soon, I’ll check out your upcoming videos (I watched your unboxing of the calendar because the videos I saw at Christmas were nonsense… people were opening all the boxes in one video… it seems they didn’t understand the advent calendar concept! I couldn’t get it because there was no delivery to France on the Lionel site, and on eBay, it cost more than €250, plus shipping! So I didn't get the chance to have it!).

[@JayStephens8]

NASCAR needs to move on from Lionel and get a different company to make their diecast so tired of Lionel’s price hikes and quality decreasing or if nascar could have Lionel make the bodies which they’ve always done great at that but have another company do the paint and decals

[@bartsmith2107]

I miss Action - the quality especially in their elite series was recognizable. While I appreciate Lionel trying to keep the diecasts collectable market alive unfortunately the models today just don't compare. The prices are too high for the product the consumer receives. The wait is awful sometimes its almost a year before receiving a preorder. Its what happens when a company is granted exclusive rights - the urge to compete goes out the window and the overall quality of the product goes down.

[@kharnthebetrayer1575]

And Team Caliber , there basic diecast was the equivalent of Actions elites . Man I miss those brands .

[@Itsgamingtime11-co5kp]

Yeah, we need new producers in the Diecast market. Like a company to make all the DNP cars from Lionel.

[@trev3971]

"We can offer you a license to produce all the things with less than 500 units of demand" is not a good pitch.

[@kenniboii192]

I feel like the "it's just a toy" argument is half valid in normal circumstances like say HotWheels or mid tier stuff like Matchbox moving parts but in this case where they hold the exclusive license for NASCAR meaning that a collector literally can't go anywhere else where the model isn't "just a toy" and is on a more collector level. In this case the models have to have a minimum quality where a collector can enjoy it but it's cheap enough for a 5 year old to destroy it in a year and that doest seem like that's what they're chasing. Hotwheels did something pretty neat in this regard by making many of their fantasy models that adults and collectors weren't excited for have engines under the bodies or other little pieces that a kid wouldn't care about but customizers could still use meaning they didn't have this problem of people not buying enough cars.

[@gorjlg]

Before they were stolen, I had a bunch of diecasts. Through a flea market, I had gotten my collection back to decent shape with older cars. Few years back, I went to a diecast store to get a newer car. I knew how good the cars looked in the late 90s and early 2000s. I was in shock at how bad the quality was. What should be the top brand with new technology to make them even better looked like Racing Champions of the 90s. You had to shell out big money for an Elite to get close to quality of Action in the early 2000s. It made me so sad. I wish Team Caliber was still around. Quality was amazing.

[@BaDArxz]

They’re honestly too expensive now. Like for the price of 1 Lionel Diecast, I could buy 3-4 basic Hot Wheels. And I’d be fine with it if the quality was consistent, but you get paint chips, decals that are wrinkled or chipped, and on one occasion an axle that’s only flattened on one side (leaving one of wheels free). Unfortunately this is something going on with most big name diecast companies, but spending $10 for quality at or below a $1.25 Hot Wheels is just not worth the money. For $10, I’d expect painted tampos and a layer of clear coat to protect the paint from damage.

[@Evom777]

Grew up with Action/Revell & Team Caliber being my go to brands with very few quality control issues. I knew Lionel had the exclusivity rights now, but I had no idea they were this heinous. It's amateur hour there 24/7.......and anyone buying their crap now is an idiot.

[@iceeblueburst03]

Ugh, such a shame that the PTC mold ruined the look of the Next Gen cars in the Authentics line alongside the grainy decals.

[@ArnoldTriyudho]

No wonder why the 1:64 models looks weird compared to the real cars

[@LSTNSCRFN]

Good news is that the PTC Factory is history. Lionel was reusing the bodies as cost cutting measure until they switched to the J Factory and now it’s a new factory that we will learn about soon

[@packisbetter90]

Wasn't just ptc sucking. Remember 2014 wls mold? By far the worst. The el although better still has problems. Blurry decals etc and of course chips

[@polycube868]

​@@packisbetter90I'd honestly rather have a PTC mold than EL molds with blurry decals...I've never seen a PTC with bad decals, they just feel weird.

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

I love collecting diecasts, however it’s hard for me to collect due to me living in a different country. It also doesn’t help that the quality has been getting g worse over the years

[@NASCARDUDE]

This video was great and was very well put together. It's honestly sad that we get poor quality diecast and then on top of that all the DNPs.

[@bungieman2810]

I was really worried this would just be someone raging and screaming about Lionel's QC issues while being super pessimistic, but I'm glad you did the opposite. Good video, Nashawk.

[@ashsherod6321]

Interesting timing to drop this right after that diecast mini-doc was made.

[@Moonayyy]

May be an unpopular opinion, but NASCAR diecast (especially the 1:64s) have been on the downhill since around 2010. In 2010 they stopped making Hood Opening cars, they stopped making them before the year ended as a lot of the hood opening cars cars from 2010 are primary paint schemes ie Jeff Gordon Dupont, Kyle Busch M&M's etc... I also think Elite 1/64 cars stopped in 2008 or 2009. The cars were ok until about 2014, I remember watching videos in 2014 with the new diecasts and the biggest change that I noticed was the interior changing to a black and its gone down hill since.

[@packisbetter90]

I miss the action motorsports authentics drivers select 1/64s so bad

[@dcnascarboy0514]

Almost gave off EmpLemon vibes. Great job!

[@Alex12Blaning43]

Don't forget the fact that you can't find any 23XI cars in the NASCAR authentics. Which means they're missing out on a huge opportunity with the McDonald's cars.

[@lilicewall4343]

that's not Lionel's fault, Michael Jordan refuses to let products with his name on it be in stores like Walmart

[@polycube868]

​@lilicewall4343 the first year of 23XI they did...I think Michael Jordan saw some of the early gen 7 authentics with blurry decals or PTC molds and said no to it...they made Bubba's 2021 Dr Pepper car with his face on it on a PTC mold...I'm guessing Jordan saw that and wasn't impressed!

[@NotMattyDYT]

Ever since I got a few NASCAR Authentics in 2012 as a gift from my cousin I liked buying most cars however after 2021 I didn't really collect as much anymore and really only opt to collect Xfinity and Trucks or paint schemes that catch my eye and its sad too bc if your driver is in Xfinity and Trucks they have a slim chance of making MOQ I mean 1/24 is the lowest MOQ so that's why a diecast is more likely to dnp in 1/64 but get produced in 1/24. How I would revamp the preorder system is release every driver and their primary paint scheme possible but extra paint schemes for said driver are the ones that you need to preorder bc it could possibly entice people to get more diecast because they already have the initial cars and they would want to add more but I'd lower the number to around 500 for 1/64 bc let's be real 2500 people probably don't all have the money to preorder I'd try to preorder too but I don't really have the money to. NASCAR Authentics are decent most times but waves like Wave 7 from last year and Wave 2 need to go or just be separate from the main line bc it's just a waste of resources and takes opportunities away from more Truck, Xfinity, and DNPs to get in. I'd just do away with the pegwarmer waves and at least put an Xfinity and Truck diecast along with a DNP in every wave bc Trucks and Xfinity don't get enough produced and often DNP so it gives collectors a chance to get them more.

[@siltstridersftw]

I'm glad someone is talking about it, I hate Lionel a lot right now and as a Diecast Collector myself, I see myself buying older ones because the quality was so much better and I can find stuff I've never seen before like my Brad Coleman 1/24 I've got.

[@littlewrangler3]

there no way my picture of the 24 Gordon error made it into this video. thats incredible! also this video in general is S Tier. awesome work

[@rvegas3240]

Kurt Busch reference was a pleasant surprise. One heck of a wild career. IROC, Cup and Daytona 500 Champion. NHRA and IndyCar competitor. Indy 500 rookie champion 🏁

[@TheMrtgamer]

So on the "Pegwarmers" bit... I actually found all the 75th anniversary diecasts for 1:64, and got them for less than the full collection ($40 vs $75 if bought at once in the collection), and I also bought the 3 individual manufacturers cars and only spent $15 on all 3 (not sure what they were priced as a set, but probably not $15) Those one-offs are a cheaper way to get collection pieces vs buying them at a markup

[@branonmac6084]

They canceled the Ty Dillon truck, I will never forgive them

[@need4speed5353]

I hate being a Ty Dillon fan. I even pre-ordered around 10 of them to help it make MOQ😭

[@Tunda2]

I don’t think Lionel is the problem. I think exclusive deals are the problem

[@kharnthebetrayer1575]

No competition hurts we the buyers. I miss Revell , Action , Winners circle, and Team Caliber.

[@j.jdouglas]

I agree with all of this Lionel should Only give cars that get DNP to the people who pre ordered it. They truly don’t car anymore about its customers

[@chasebriscoefan14]

My Walmart still has 2023 Wave 1 cars

[@wolfgamingnetwork3542]

Which those are cars from 2022

[@chasebriscoefan14]

@@wolfgamingnetwork3542 I know 😭😭😭

[@Rene27627]

@@chasebriscoefan14of the 3 Walmarts that are near me 2 have wave 10 11 Darlington 8 5

[@theloyaltheoristMP]

2023 Wave 6 + 7

[@dylanhale7300]

This is what Lionel does for their trains too. It's called Built to order, and it fucking sucks...

[@NIECSRacing]

This video made me cry TBH

[@Blaneybest]

Lionel isn’t the problem NASCAR is for creating this.

[@brandon42054]

Action had the best die cast

[@Itsgamingtime11-co5kp]

This really reminds me of an Elly Productions video

[@Payaso9]

I walked away from collecting the straight garbage Lionel produces and moved into collecting f1 models and man is it better

[@TomBoi]

This is why I collect IndyCar and dirt racing diecast. Quality is still high and I love the cars put out by Greenlight and ACME.

[@Brosati68]

Also side note the ending Pink Floyd 8bit sound was sick 😂👏🏻

[@johnsonracingdesigns]

Like Nashawk, I also, have come to appreciate the older diecast from the 90s/2000s because it has many iconic schemes/drivers from that era. Something that the sport needs today. Great video!

[@canaan56]

I had a whole side of one of my Matt dibedidetto come off paint wise

[@doubleutubefan5]

The DNP business model works for the trains. It doesn't work for the diecast

[@JacobLikesNASCAR]

All the Tricon trucks getting DNP makes me very upset yet in 2022 we got like 6 Chase Elliott Diecasts with the side sponsor different

[@josepedrorodriguez2376]

Nascar fans be like: “Lionel Racing only matters Chase Elliott and Hendrick Motorsports because Chase is the MPD and also the team are celebrating 40 years." 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 Well said buddy, unfortunately many people have complained on social media especially on Twitter about the poor quality, terrible production, PTC molds from authentics and high prices of this poor company. Of which it has been by a preorder system which fans should understand, for example: how looks Kyle weatherman diecast in 1/64? Lionel: looks short so far Me: looks short?? A few days later: Kyle Weatherman diecast has been cancelled in both escales. Everyone: the only hope for Kyle weatherman diecast will be produced by Nascar authentics. (Just an example guys) I hope Lionel Racing loses the license to produce Nascar diecast

[@polycube868]

Scalpers ruin everything from video games to diecasts.

[@carcrasher88YT]

The point about the liquid color chases is so true, the vast majority of collectors may never see one in stores, because all the scalpers grab them. I feel pretty fortunate that I was actually able to find one, that being the 2023 Wave 01 Kevin Harvick Hunt Brothers Pizza Liquid Color chase. It's pretty odd, though, since when I found it, it was literally sitting on the shelf beneath the pegs, and there was not a single non-chase version on the pegs. So, I bought it, and funny enough, the next time I went there, there were three of the non-chase versions on the pegs, and I was able to truly confirm that I got the Liquid Color version, because of how pale the red on the non-chase version was, and how deep and shiny the one I bought is. I'll probably never find another one in-store, so it's a pretty prized possession of mine.

[@polycube868]

I've never seen one, ever

[@QuietDriver97]

Another lesser known series is the Raceway Replicas 1/24 run from '92 to '97. Each car came with a COA and authentically replicated car cover. The cars in the run are Bill Elliott's '92 Budweiser Thunderbird, Hut Stricklin's '93 McDonald's Thunderbird, Davey Allison's '93 Thunderbird (with or without "Our Teammate Forever" on the C pillar, Mark Martin's '94 Thunderbird, Bill Elliott's '95 McDonald's Thunderbird, Ernie Irvan's '96 Thunderbird, Rusty Wallace's '96 "Splash" Thunderbird which is the only one to include a solid wood display base, Sterling Marlin's '96 Monte Carlo, and David Green's '97 Monte Carlo. These have to be the highest quality diecasts made until Action had their breakout year in 1998 with the updated Elite line.

[@polycube868]

Weren't these actually made in America? I remember getting an old NASCAR magazine and it showing some diecasts that were actually made in America and not China and thinking that was cool.

[@QuietDriver97]

@@polycube868 The Raceway Replicas are unfortunately made in China if that name hurts it for someone but, they are very well put together.

[@polycube868]

@QuietDriver97 yeah I think the company that made them in the USA made 1:43 scales not 1:24 now that I think of it, the real shame is they didn't make a 1996 Pontiac Grand Prix if they were so good...I've never actually seen one...and the '96-02 Pontiac Grand Prix is my favorite model in NASCAR.

[@oursonlovestrains]

Lionel pulled this a little bit with the model trains they produce - As someone who collects lionels latest model trains, some things that have changed in the last 10 years are: - No specific crew talk: Engines used to have road specific dialogue (the crew talk would mention the number of the locomotive you had bought and road name, stuff like that) that is COMPLETELY gone unless you buy the vision line engines, 90% of collectors don't have those funds. - OLD TOOLING: some of the stuff lionel produces is the EXACT same locomotive produced 10 years ago but with a 40% cost increase, it sucks. - AND FINALLY: LIONEL BOUGHT MTH TOOLING AND USED IT WITHOUT REMOVING THE MTH BRAND MARK LMFAO - I still buy lionel locomotives, theyre by far the biggest producer of locomotives and theyre still fantastic engines, but it does suck to see some obvious cost cutting while everything gets more expensive

[@milesnetwork69]

13:20 Yes Spin Master is making die casts at the same time they’re working on Paw Patrol, and the spin master cars look way better from what I’ve seen in your older vids nashawk. Edit: 15:27 the biggest issue that both me and my mom (who used to work at Walmart) would have with collecting diecats, and it’s worse because I live in a part of Indiana that’s close to Lake Michigan, and on the rare occasion I go to Target, no Winners Circle. They also missed the Chevy grille on my Larson car, and I preordered Kamui Kobayashi 1:64, and DNP

[@user-oq3oy6qf4z]

I’m a kid but the excuse that it’s just a toy is so dumb I’m a collector and I care about how the cars look I don’t want to pay $5.00 for some tall bulky crap I want a nice looking $5.00 car

[@thomasaaronartwork3867]

Bro when I was a kid 1:24 die cast had opening hoods, trunks, roof flaps, a soft window net, steering wheels that would rotate and actually move the front wheels, WTF happened man? Got my first die cast since like 2012 this year and was super disappointed. I will not be buying another one any time soon

[@Tylnorton]

The craziest thing that's happened to me was being sent the WRONG car. And when I say wrong, I pre-ordered Michael McDowell's raced win Indy 1:64 scale for $12. I got the right scheme alright. Instead they sent me an Elite 1:24 scale that costs like $130. That's the only time I will ever be happy with "quality control" lol. Getting a $130 1:24 scale when they were supposed to send me a $12 1:64 scale lol. Also my boy OBB is a great reviewer too. Met him twice and we chat online time to time. So shoutout to him and raising awareness on quality control!

[@chancegheno8096]

I was amazed at how many 1 64 scale diecast lionel cancelled days ago. I saw in an Instagram post that 33 1 64 scale diecast got cancelled and it straight up blew my mind

[@TimBrown17]

Few things here, the MOQ stuff is bullshit too because personally if I wanna buy a car I want it now, I’m not trying to wait until next fucking April to get a diecast that I want now. They wouldn’t cut costs if they sold actual good quality diecasts because more people might actually buy them. And lastly the long waits and pegwarmers have always been a problem with these guys. I had a 2016 Jimmie Johnson Superman diecast on my local Walmart shelf up until a few years ago… and my Walmart is still on 2023 diecasts and it’s halfway through 2024.

[@mootsym]

This is beyond the phrase “1st world problems”

[@Tonymeows43]

I have hundreds of dreams of a store of only nascar diecast from all of time such a dream it was

[@camstudios3155]

This video is extremely underated even for just being posted 4 hours ago. Many things are relatable in this and some being: I personally didn’t know that Lionel needed a certain amount of people to preorder diecast, I just thought it would be wiser to buy it when it was actually on the shelf’s. Great vid btw

[@mightychilster6215]

Not a wake up for Lionel, it is a wake up to NASCAR. I've got thousands of 1/64 personally, and this video had me consider why I buy less these days. Frankly, it is because there is less variety in the market. I spent way more with the independent vendors than I did with the sponsored trailers. BTW, anyone else shop the bootleg online shops in China for non-Lionel flavors?

[@oregonborn9769]

Action racing elite series and team caliber owners series were peak diecast. Lionel has gotten very lazy I actually emailed them regarding retro cars because that is a huge market they just aren't doing and they emailed me back said we only make cars for the molds we have and aren't planning on making new ones unless it's a new generation car....didn't they buy out or absorb action racing....wouldn't they have all those high quality molds of the old cars....idk maybe it's a fever dream.

[@packisbetter90]

Action elites and Owners Series were the best 1/24s ever. Remember how insanely detailed the interiors of TC Owners Series was?

[@Jacob20249]

Great Videos man! Your NASCAR Stop Motion Random Cuts still sometimes make me laugh today!

[@technonautgames4342]

"they're for kids" f those kids then I guess, I kinda think kids shouldn't get ripped off either.

[@Engrphotog21]

Exclusive rights to making it is what did it in. Lionel is the only one that can make it, they have no incentive to improve quality. You can either buy it, or don't, and sometimes Lionel makes the no decision for you. If there are more makers, there's more incentive to find the competitive edge. Maybe another specializes in the weird liveries that Lionel apparently doesn't want to do. It also drives the quality in general.

[@evanssego7647]

Ive been collecting since 97. It's sad how the die cast industry has change within the sport. Bottom line is that until masses of people stop buying Lionel die casts, Lionel will feel ok to put out mediocre products. Some people can't help themselves and buy it even though they don't like it. So to those who don't like it, stop buying it!

[@g_men2121]

Lionel is doing a great job. Imagine hating on them. If NASCAR was disappointed in them, they would end the contract

[@loganestes2841]

I loved the Team caliber/Action era. I haven’t collected seriously in years. I have a handful of Lionel diecasts. Quality is great on the ones I have. But I have seen the quality of what others have received

[@richreinhart7181]

Action and Team Caliber set the bar pretty high in the 90`s and 2000`s

[@ARUSApacecarHAMPTON]

Team Caliber are still the best in terms of quality.

[@rmullins6546]

My biggest complaint as a 1/24 collector is the issues with paint/finish..I’m super lucky to get one nowadays that doesnt have multiple paint blemishes throughout the car. Frustrating after spending so much $$

[@RacerJL73]

This answered so many questions I had, nicely done my guy 👌

[@totallytidmouth]

As a lionel locomotive fan and NASCAR fan, nothing bothers me more than preorders. I can't tell you how many awesome locos we've lost to the dreaded preorder requirement.

[@polycube868]

1994 Racing Champions was when they ditched stickers and used tampo graphics fully, 1996 they put clear windows on all cars and not just the premier editions.

[@OriginalBigBry]

This is the type of content I was waiting for, well said Nashawk!👏🏻

[@joshandkorinna]

I'm not making this comment to defend Lionel because all the problems in this video with the company are legitimate. However, the amount of people in this comment section who don't understand how a business works is remarkable. People are saying, "lower the MOQ," or, "get rid of the MOQ." So you're asking a business to just make products that lose them money???? The whole purpose of an MOQ is because it isn't profitable to produce that particular product below that quantity level. There are a few ways around this. They could increase the price and lower the MOQ or they could lower the price and increase the MOQ. But the correct way to do this would be to increase the quality control so they could incentive more people to buy there products to meet MOQ more ofter. But maybe the have some data that shows that increasing quality control doesn't necessarily result in more sales. Could be the reason they're letting quality slip. That's just me hypothesizing. I suspect the real reason is a lack of competition. More competition always benefits the consumer. Also funny that you released this at the same time NASCAR released their official diecast mini doc. I'm guessing that was planned lol.

[@packisbetter90]

If they made the cars people would buy especially if the quality improves. That's the big problem though

[@polycube868]

​@@packisbetter90Racing Champions made cars that didn't even need to exist, even relief drivers got a diecast! Fill ins for injuries got a diecast, Racing Champions actually cared...and they made the small teams that Lionel won't make...teams that even selling a little merch would help.

[@Bizz4r2m0ke]

Lionel started using cost cutting measures to take their prices from $3 to $5. Its sad because a few years ago they werent that bad. Seem like they cared and then realized they didnt have to care because they were the only ones.

[@santicar10]

9:22 I have that same Ty Dillon car. The front sticker was placed so off that there's just a black line on the front of the car, and the whole front looks skewed

[@packisbetter90]

Great video. Pretty spot on. I'm 34 years old and started getting diecasts when I became a fan when I was like 6 or 7 by my dad. I miss the late 90s to mid 2000s with Action, Winners Circle, Hot Wheels, Racing Champions, Team Cailber, Motorworks, CFS etc making cars. With Action Elites especially the 2007-09 and team caliber owners series being the best 1/24s. Lionel was decent until like 6 years ago I noticed. I have over 2700 diecasts and I love comparing today's cars to like 2007. Blows me away everytime.

[@megatron8490]

I bought a 2022 truex coke 600 diecast. one of my all time favorite cars. waited over a year to get it. and when i did get it i realised that they had crushed it in the mail. THE WHOLE ROOF WAS CAVED IN! and when I returned it, they told me that they were out of stock!

[@HubbaDuck.]

Every point here is very well said. The last 1:24 diecast I bought is from 2020. I've wanted to buy a NextGen diecat or two but the quality is just terrible for the price. Even the elite and "super" elite (forgot the actual name for them) are awful quality vs from even 3 years ago. I hope Lionel improves on this. Diecast are one of the forefronts to bring new fans to NASCAR, they should be a quality product.