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@obiwanskywalker1174
@obiwanskywalker1174 Жыл бұрын
Don't worry to much, worry about you're health.
@YassineKAOUANE
@YassineKAOUANE Жыл бұрын
Congrats on hitting 1K. happy for you.
@cascadepinball
@cascadepinball Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@NiekPlasman
@NiekPlasman Жыл бұрын
I really wouldn’t worry about it, the oldest flash memory based devices for gaming would be the PS1 memory cards, which we haven’t seen go bad on a massive scale and they are almost 30 years old. In addition you can both read and write to these cartridges further reducing lifespan and they often have been left unused for decades and still work. The DS cartridges are also approaching 20 years and we haven’t seen issues there either. Lastly, flash technology has also been improved greatly since the mid 90s.
@SerenadeURA
@SerenadeURA Жыл бұрын
I remember a post back when NintendoAge was still around in which a user worriedly urged people to check their DS games for save failures or outright failure to boot because they had read that 10 years was the average NAND flash shelf life, but so far so good, even all these years later. We're lucky that most of our storage technology seems to be far exceeding the expected life as advertised by the manufacturers - I remember reading that standard Hard Disk Drives have a life expectancy of 10 years and my oldest HDD from the PC I purchased in 2009 is still kicking, though it does run a bit slowly nowadays - I suspect that's more an issue with the mechanical components. Given that Switch cartridges are read-only, we're hopefully looking at several decades of use.
@TransCanadaPhil
@TransCanadaPhil Жыл бұрын
​@@SerenadeURA I've got 30 year old hard drives from 1991-92 that still work with the data preserved. I think Hard Drive life expectancy especially when talking about cold storage (a disconnected drive just sitting on a shelf) has been vastly underrated.
@aryinc
@aryinc Жыл бұрын
i even got gba games still saving on the battery backup. Heck my old sonic and knuckles sega genesis cart still works even.
@Nin10Guy
@Nin10Guy Жыл бұрын
I think the Sega Master System's Card Format games might also use Flash Memory for holding game data. I could be wrong however so don't quote me on that. All I know is they still work even now.
@TransCanadaPhil
@TransCanadaPhil Жыл бұрын
@@Nin10Guy I'd be quite surprised if the Master System used flash, we're talking 1986 era and I don't think it was around. The first time I ever even heard about rewritable solid state flash of any kind (ie, non battery backup) was the original PlayStations memory cards. I know Neo Geo used memory cards too a few years before but I'm not sure how those work either.
@dferred
@dferred Жыл бұрын
Anything under 40 years shouldn't be acceptable.
@theakiwar9118
@theakiwar9118 Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@teogabrielsson4717
@teogabrielsson4717 Жыл бұрын
Fully agree. I would even go as far as 50. By that time I guess emulation would be considered ok. I mean our grandkids does not necessarily need to be able to get a physical game as a heirloom but we (the buyers) should be able to play them for the larger part of our own life.
@jayb8934
@jayb8934 Жыл бұрын
@@teogabrielsson4717 Most people will lose interest in a game long before then anyway, or will have other means of playing it.
@Vans_WW
@Vans_WW Жыл бұрын
I bet you anything CDs will outlive Switch cartridges after seeing what is happening to Wii Us.
@markusvhane5087
@markusvhane5087 Жыл бұрын
@@jayb8934 that’s not the point though. My reason to collect to begin with is because I like that game know that will not lose interest on them. I’ve been doing this for a long time now. I guess he’s right that nothing lasts forever.
@illusionofmana_Personal
@illusionofmana_Personal Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the SO, Its an interesting topic. I hope no one took your videos for fear mongering. I found your approach very informative, collectors should know about their games and the tech thats in them for longevity and preservation. I work with applications that need memory to be solid for a very long time with little to no maintenance, so finding out what options are out there is always on the mind. I never thought to apply that to modern games though until your last video came up. Like everyone else, I just shut my brain off after work and pick up a game to play to relax.
@gamingwithstand6886
@gamingwithstand6886 Жыл бұрын
I think some companies might still backup to tape.
@illusionofmana_Personal
@illusionofmana_Personal Жыл бұрын
@@gamingwithstand6886 Absolutely! A lot of companies still back up to tape. There are also plenty of modern adaptations to tape archiving where cartridges are often in the size of multi terabytes.
@gamingwithstand6886
@gamingwithstand6886 Жыл бұрын
I remember I think in 2005 Gmail something happened and Google had to recover a lot of peoples emails. Only a few they could not recover. In the news story they said they backup to tape. I don't work in IT so when I think tape I'm thinking of someone loading Doom on tape on some retro PC.😂
@shdowhunt60
@shdowhunt60 Жыл бұрын
This is why, more important than having physical copies, is being able to backup your games. All physical media has a shelf life, and the way consoles are made means that they may not necessarily last forever being subject to mechanical or other types of failure that something like a SNES didn't have to worry about. Physical was always just a stopgap to real preservation.
@jfitnesshealth
@jfitnesshealth Жыл бұрын
yep which is why i stopped buying all games for my switch and getting them from GOG. so i can just use OneXplayer2. And emulate the rest of switch. its like all the modern consoles have no flexibility or future proof. not to mention Nintendo's horrible user account switch issues. all the primary secondary BS
@TransCanadaPhil
@TransCanadaPhil Жыл бұрын
​​@@jfitnesshealth yeah I mostly game on PC these days for many of the same reasons. I love the fact that PCs can always play my old games from 5, 10, 20 and often even more years ago on any modern PC. You don't have to keep and maintain an old PC lying around from every 5 year era just to play games from that era. Backwards compatibility is just assumed as a given. I hate the idea these days of buying into consoles that feel like a "black hole" where every 5 years the platform gets wiped out and your games all exist in a "silo" in which it's anyone's guess if you can play then on a future console, or if instead you'll have to meticulously maintain an old platform in working order just to keep access to your old games. In the past decade I'm largely done with that and consoles. Like you said I have PC games now from the past 2 decades plus that I just have nice easy access to and I don't have to worry everytime I replace my gaming laptop every few years about losing my investments. I still play all my GOG, Steam, and itch.io games I've purchased since 2003-2004 on my latest gaming laptop I bought in 2021. ✌️😊
@jfitnesshealth
@jfitnesshealth Жыл бұрын
@@TransCanadaPhil yep same here! I remember making my own collection of PC demos from file planet.. Backing up patches etc. Once we stopped using memory cards and consoles started having hard drives is when I started getting nervous lol
@火災のアイスクリーム
@火災のアイスクリーム Жыл бұрын
Piracy wins
@slapshotjack9806
@slapshotjack9806 Жыл бұрын
Yo everything has a shelf life
@box700
@box700 Жыл бұрын
I like how your videos are informative and straight to the point, I hope your channel sees more growth in the future!
@speedyink
@speedyink Жыл бұрын
Your channel seems to have gotten a large influx of traffic, that's awesome to see! You deserve it! Gives me hope for my channel as well. I mean, it would help if I would make more videos again.. been kind of burnt out mentally, need to get over that.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 Жыл бұрын
Pirating and making digital copies will be the future of video games.
@shaunhall960
@shaunhall960 Жыл бұрын
If you look at what we had with floppy disks we have come a long way with retaining data. Hopefully the future will bring better technology for data storage.
@daedalus547
@daedalus547 Жыл бұрын
I still have 4.25" floppies that are perfectly fine. My copy of Rick Dangerous runs flawlessly. And data on floppies are only supposed to last for 15-20 years, yet this game was made in 1989 so don't believe longevity numbers, nand storage has not even been out for 20 years so all we have are gusstamates on how long they will last
@Azuris190
@Azuris190 Жыл бұрын
@@daedalus547 It is really a Matter of Quality. I also have Floppies still living, newer ones i've bought late in the Life Span (3,5") are dead. Same with CDs, most are fine, have a few cheap ones that i burned myself and they are also dead.
@daedalus547
@daedalus547 Жыл бұрын
@@Azuris190 I find it's not so much the discs/disks but the drives that determine the life of the media, I've had floppies fail in the past, but then I noticed something, I bought a NOS floppy and only used that drive, I found that the media to this day lasts as long as you keep the drive clean, back in the day I used to use floppies for school so those disks got dirty. Same with optical media, I found that my 4x or 8x drives won't damage CD's however the vibration from a 48x or 52x drive actually damages the top layer of the disc as it vibrates.
@Azuris190
@Azuris190 Жыл бұрын
@@daedalus547 Oh you are absolutly right, thats also something to take into Consideration.
@Bustermachine
@Bustermachine Жыл бұрын
@@daedalus547 It's also a matter of statistical failure rates and when the risk of failure becomes unacceptably high. The manufacturer estimated lifespan is basically what they feel comfortable telling their customers the product will last for without significant issue and barring manufactured defects.
@Azuris190
@Azuris190 Жыл бұрын
i wouldn't have guessed that CDs have a better Live Span (25-50 Years)
@HustlerHorstRuediger
@HustlerHorstRuediger Жыл бұрын
Wow, I wanted to learn more about this for a while now - found your channel just yesterday. Lol
@hikarisontheirlaststraw
@hikarisontheirlaststraw Жыл бұрын
This is a super interesting topic though, and it's definitely got me thinking about my collection as a whole.
@tictac8556
@tictac8556 Жыл бұрын
I remember you mentioning potential future solutions/repairs in the last video. I still hold out hope that there will be some sort of resolution to come about out of this the next 20 years or so. The idea of an “infinite battery” mod for a GameBoy game seemed impossible 20 years ago, and look where we are now… Technology is always progressing, and humanity’s always looking for a way to cheat the system lol. What’s impossible today might be commonplace tomorrow. Keep up the great content 👍
@tr1bes
@tr1bes Жыл бұрын
Jurassic Park Ian Chaos theory. "Life finds a way. It's not always permanent."
@RTU130
@RTU130 Жыл бұрын
Hmm
@Lord_of_eels
@Lord_of_eels Жыл бұрын
It's honestly sad to think about. I rarely buy digital so this sucks to hear
@JCpNK
@JCpNK Жыл бұрын
I still play my Wii with GameCube games that are already 20 years old.. If they end up dying yes you can play with emulation but it’s not the same.. The feeling of nostalgia you get from playing older systems is priceless IMO
@beeryye
@beeryye Жыл бұрын
Stay excited and feed the algorithm just like you're starting to do my dude! Looking forward to seeing more from you.
@hippo2020
@hippo2020 Жыл бұрын
My Neo Geo cart already 30 plus years old and still working fine. Thank god
@mottzilla4858
@mottzilla4858 Жыл бұрын
I don't think you were trying to fear monger or anything like that. You're just bringing up interesting questions so everyone can learn more about it. Great follow up video.
@Eteric
@Eteric Жыл бұрын
I wonder if there will be a point where we'll be able to re-flash them?
@delresearch5416
@delresearch5416 Жыл бұрын
They do have a write command, the gigaleak gave us the keys and everything.
@michealfunickrr3717
@michealfunickrr3717 Жыл бұрын
@@delresearch5416 i definately need it. i have over 45 physical switch games from limited run. i'm also interested in upgrading a few gba games from 2mb to 4mb. the only issue is if i go and upgrade some gba's from forums it looks like that some work some don't. Let's see how this write command mentioned fares against gba upgrading. if i can put a game like shantae or cursed castilla ex on larger cart sizes i would absolutely do that.
@RTU130
@RTU130 Жыл бұрын
Ye
@ThisWillCharacter
@ThisWillCharacter Жыл бұрын
If the flash is like an SD card, it has a short-ish life before the data disappears but plugging it into a powered system resets that timer. It works similarly to old gameboy carts but instead of a battery, the sections of data are powered by the device you plug it into and refresh their charge without the need to replace a component
@infiniterecursion9550
@infiniterecursion9550 Жыл бұрын
How long should I plug in my Switch and 3DS carts into the system, and does the system just need to be powered on or do I need to boot into the game too?
@ThisWillCharacter
@ThisWillCharacter Жыл бұрын
@@infiniterecursion9550 it’s probably like, once every 20 years or something. SD cards last 10 years but our game cartridges clearly last longer than that. The bytes would have to be powered by the system so the system would have to be on and able to detect the card at the very least. That’s the best case scenario. I’m no hardware expert but it’s possible that it may also be that the bytes have to be accessed which would mean you’d have to load every line of code and every asset in the game to stop them from being corrupted. The worst scenario is that the bytes have to be rewritten. Game cartridges are read-only so unless you were able to back them up and force them to accept being flashed again which I’m not sure is possible on a hardware level the bytes will die and the cartridge will become completely empty one day. It may be possible to rewrite a proprietary flash cartridge or it might be impossible without changing it on a hardware level (like how SD cards have a lock switch). If you want to preserve data for long periods of time without using it, use hard drives as they don’t rely on a charge to keep data. If you really want to keep that data as securely as possible, use CDs. They can be scratched but are more robust than hard drives and store the data in physical form. If the CD is intact and undamaged, your data is there. This comes with the downside of having read-only and needing to fragment some files such as switch games but you would fit multiple 3DS games
@redcrimson1028
@redcrimson1028 Жыл бұрын
Never thought about that until now. The old carts from the nes all the way to the n64 including all gameboy systems used a different kind of cart, those were the ones that holds memory forever that's why they still work today lol. I always wondered what kind of carts the switch used because they look a lot cheaper than the carts of yesteryear. Now I know they won't last decades like the old carts which will be my deciding factor of buying physical switch games going forward and I'm a physical collector. I hope nintendo solved this problem by making a better cartridges with the switch 2
@Tonywizart
@Tonywizart Жыл бұрын
The only thing is when you purchase digital games on the switch you technically don’t truly own it because it constantly checks if you’re allowed to play it in the system. And if you don’t have internet you can’t play the games at all. But for the physical copy the system doesn’t need to check if you can get access to it. I noticed this while on a plane and I couldn’t play ANY of my digital games unless I payed for internet. Plus it takes up storage on your system to have digital games anyways which you have to purchase a separate SD card
@DeesBees85
@DeesBees85 9 ай бұрын
That only happened because your Switch was not set as the “home” console. If you have it set that way you can play your digital games without an internet connection
@Carlixyz
@Carlixyz Жыл бұрын
Damn, We're takin on a saint war fighting in defense of the old classic physical releases while considering how much time & which media will last longer: cartridges, optic discs or the servers that holds our purchased games....
@CCRexKanin
@CCRexKanin Жыл бұрын
We can always reflash cartridges. If a disc gets scratched, it can easily become beyond repair. Servers for live service games are a scam. Cartridges for the win tbh
@TheFugliestGamerEver
@TheFugliestGamerEver Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. It has helped address some of the concerns that I have had with the Switch cartridges. The Wii U on the other hand....
@Nocholas
@Nocholas Жыл бұрын
I have 3 Wii U's. 2 of them I rarely take out of storage. I have them mainly as spares for the long run. But I checked them and it's all good.
@zeniktorres4320
@zeniktorres4320 Жыл бұрын
I have also spare WiiU's for backup. I use them every 6 months or so for a short time. Don't know if that helps.
@evodannyt
@evodannyt Жыл бұрын
My wii u died, sitting in a box for awhile. Saw the videos about them dying so I wanted to homebrew it but I was too late. Happened this week
@cascadepinball
@cascadepinball Жыл бұрын
Sorry that happend
@valletas
@valletas Жыл бұрын
All hardware dies eventually Thats why emulation and piracy is so important Maybe i wont be able to play my games in the future but i sure as hell can download a copy from the internet
@s0lid_sno0ks
@s0lid_sno0ks Жыл бұрын
I've never been big on emulation, but after recently realizing that all of my disc-based consoles are dying and rebuying off ebay only buys maybe a year or two of time and will eventually run out of supply, and learning about the shoddy modern carts, I'm now 100% on board with emulating my entire collection. At least I can preserve it by buying new drives.
@zusretro
@zusretro Жыл бұрын
Great info! 20 years go by so fast 😬
@AwesomeCardGames
@AwesomeCardGames Жыл бұрын
I was hoping to have my physical collection of Switch for life. I hope there will be a solution to fix these games in the future.
@borisdg
@borisdg Жыл бұрын
The chip usually is wearing when you read data from it. Just from sitting on the shelf - I doubt there is any change in lifespan.
@gastheleft6535
@gastheleft6535 Жыл бұрын
Everything is moving toward digital downloads to the point that I think gamestop will go out of business. "You will own nothing and be happy" - Klaus Schwab
@JCG105
@JCG105 8 ай бұрын
Great info, man. I know this is from awhile ago, but I appreciate the optimism 🙂 Now if I can just find the time to play these games before they go bad...🤔
@Nicomanism
@Nicomanism Жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on the longevity of blu-ray discs like PS4 physical media discs? As in how long will they last?
@Jerry4050
@Jerry4050 Жыл бұрын
I have a PS3 which most of those games are from 2007 and those are Blu rays but it all depends on the disc drive, that's why I am glad I bought the last PS3 revision which looks cheap but I believe the disc drive would last longer since there's no physical moving parts. The laser starts going and the game starts with no problem. I do have a PS2 slim that's already 20 years old and only one game doesn't want to read from the drive so I just burn it on my PC and play it emulated, which I believe that's how most games are going to be played in the near future. PS3 games can be emulated but you need a beefy graphics card while PS2 games can be run on my laptop without any dedicated graphics.
@gamingwithstand6886
@gamingwithstand6886 Жыл бұрын
I think CD disc are said to last 50 years. I used the Netflix disc on my PS3 for a few years it died. I thin it was the heat from the PS3 that killed it. The problem with disc media is plastic disc don't last long. Some Blu-Ray disc are said to last 1000 years if you store them good.
@madjoe8622
@madjoe8622 Жыл бұрын
a thousand year
@madjoe8622
@madjoe8622 Жыл бұрын
@@gamingwithstand6886 CDs can last centuries.
@gamingwithstand6886
@gamingwithstand6886 Жыл бұрын
I know Bill Gates said CDs can last about 50 years because you need to burn another backup. I think it also depends on how you store your media.
@Scorpionbe
@Scorpionbe Жыл бұрын
My wii-u still works, and my son it's wii-u also. That last one was about 2 years not used.
@notthemaster763
@notthemaster763 Жыл бұрын
i saw your video about the wii u then this and decided to sub cause i learn more in 10 seconds of your video that i do in a hour of anyone elses
@Jerry4050
@Jerry4050 Жыл бұрын
I keep them in my Switch case pouches but at least its zipped up and no light or hot air can go inside. I am afraid of dust damaging it from over time. I keep an eye on that
@marshmower
@marshmower Жыл бұрын
Static
@immortallix
@immortallix Жыл бұрын
Even if 20 years is accurate for the smaller games that is pretty short
@cascadepinball
@cascadepinball Жыл бұрын
The smaller games 1 2 or 4GB carts can be as low as 10 years. Its the 8,16,32,64GB carts that are rated for 20
@julianmunoz7836
@julianmunoz7836 Жыл бұрын
Any info about Nintendo DS game (those are small :( )
@teogabrielsson4717
@teogabrielsson4717 Жыл бұрын
@@cascadepinball 10 Years..that is pretty short. I am glad that Sega Genesis, SNES, NES, N64, Gamecube does not have this problem... 10... would that even be enough to create nostalgia for someone? I feel sorry for todays children.. think about all the 5-10 years old that will want to revisit their childhood memories.. when they are 20. We have had it good...
@infiniterecursion9550
@infiniterecursion9550 Жыл бұрын
Will sealed games corrupt faster since they aren't being recharged by the system?
@vev4104
@vev4104 Жыл бұрын
indeed I Prefer Physical. Its like having collector bookshelf. Reminds us of our preferences and revisiting it. Stores data in the disk and less on your hard drive.
@ee_li
@ee_li Жыл бұрын
Good information--thanks!
@BobbyK19
@BobbyK19 Жыл бұрын
These are really informative, thank you! Can I ask how this applies to 3DS cartridges? How will they degrade?
@imprisonedone8054
@imprisonedone8054 Жыл бұрын
3DS games will just die out and your saves will be deleted😂😂😂 most Nintendo games with Cartridges aren’t that future proof they will however last 40 or 50 years depending how you take care of it. Luckily the wii games are future proof though.
@EatingCtrlV
@EatingCtrlV Жыл бұрын
Nintendo is the only company that manufactures Switch games. All publishers purchase their games from nintendo. So that's a good sign.
@MegaManNeo
@MegaManNeo Жыл бұрын
I kinda doubt I will look back to playing Switch games in 30 years from now but even so, I am happy I picked up a second Switch which itself is hacked so I can dump these cartridges.
@jasonmyers8278
@jasonmyers8278 Жыл бұрын
Basically they will outlast me. I could careless how long they last after I am gone.
@murkywaters5502
@murkywaters5502 Жыл бұрын
Cool video! I think it's just a sign of the times, but it's hard to strike that balance between some digital and some physical because you know game companies will do everything they can to sway people towards digital (low overhead costs), unless they're selling expensive collector's editions.
@jengelenm
@jengelenm Жыл бұрын
I will never buy digital. If physical stops with Nintendo, XBox, Playstation, i go Everdrive or so. And buy old games, there’s so many good, old games now, you’ll never be able to finish them before you die.
@ConsoleKits
@ConsoleKits Жыл бұрын
Ah good point on the fuse to be used like masked rom. That’s interesting. One company I worked for we used One-Time Programmable (OTP), which I understand to be the “blown fuse” memory. But this little security microcontroller stored just a few RSA public keys keys in there to valid the signed rom. Hadn’t though about OTP being used to store everything. I wonder the failure rate. I recall we proved we had a small percentage of failure when one bit of OTP would “blow” in the field. We read the memory later to prove it. But I guess everything has a rate of failure.
@edurevelfood
@edurevelfood Жыл бұрын
Great and helpful video. I panicked because I have more than 200 physical switch games... Rds from Spain
@carloslecina9029
@carloslecina9029 Жыл бұрын
It depends on quality materials and manufacturing process. I've seen lots of PC-EngineCD and Saturn games that lasts 20+ years without a scratch. Most current platforms features media that will last about 5 years at max. We should push companies to manufacture long lasting electronics sometimes...
@madjoe8622
@madjoe8622 Жыл бұрын
CDs last centuries if you don't play freeze-be with them.
@M-Batman
@M-Batman Жыл бұрын
Yep, just had my launch edition switch just died on me... the Nand became corrupt so it bricked the console. China would have to torture me as slave for me to buy Nintendo stuff ever again.
@teogabrielsson4717
@teogabrielsson4717 Жыл бұрын
@@M-Batman Yea since Wii U everything went downwards.. Gamecube was tbh the latest really good console. I would say SNES & Gamecube still stands the test of time pretty good. I purchased Wii U at launch but sold it pretty quickly afterwards. I still own the Switch but I am annoyed by having to worry about potential stick drift.. Not sure but maybe there is some 3rd party manufacturer that makes better joy-cons.
@tubguinace
@tubguinace Жыл бұрын
10 years is not a long time for something like this at all, it's looking like ripping your games with a hacked switch will be a necessity in the future.
@DragonProtector
@DragonProtector Жыл бұрын
sadly seems so. I really did not want to hack my switch though. Its a v1 model.
@cookiesusa3143
@cookiesusa3143 Жыл бұрын
Don’t worry about it he says. It’s like when someone tells you safe and secure! Lol first time viewer, live the video
@richardmullens4707
@richardmullens4707 Жыл бұрын
Carts only lasting 20 years is still going to be a major problem for both collectors and investors. Gameboy, Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance cartridges will still be working after 50 years. So collectors will be able to play them throughout their lifetime. Similarly they will hold and gain in value for investors. But for people who buy DS or 3DS or Switch games either to collect and play, or as an investment... they are sitting on a ticking time bomb.
@aldentetheplatypus7258
@aldentetheplatypus7258 Жыл бұрын
i've had conversations with other collectors it's going to eventually turn into action figure display items is what i'm thinking emulation is basically going to be the choice soon
@NiekPlasman
@NiekPlasman Жыл бұрын
GBA games use flash memory to hold save files.
@teogabrielsson4717
@teogabrielsson4717 Жыл бұрын
My thought exactly. 20 Years is far to early for a game to stop functioning. Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) still functions.. 1983. Sega Genesis still functions perfectly fine. It released 1988. Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) still functions 1990 Playstation 1 still functions.. 1994 Nintendo 64 still functions 1996.. Playstation 2 still functions 2000.. Gamecube still functions 2001.. Imo Gamecube is the last console which can be considered "Retro". When Switch becomes retro it's basically when the games starts to die off given that timeframe..
@richardmullens4707
@richardmullens4707 Жыл бұрын
@@NiekPlasman Would the carts still be playable (without saves) if the save game flash memory failed?
@RPGreg2600
@RPGreg2600 Жыл бұрын
​@@richardmullens4707 yes
@ryutenmen
@ryutenmen Жыл бұрын
Aside form physical degradation I'm more interested about the data retention that is affecting the FLASH memory after some time(around a year of not being used) that happens to all FLASH memories(Micro SD, SD cards, USB sticks, SSD, etc.) that are non-volatile memory, and Switch cartridges also uses non-volatile memory. What good are Switch cartridges is after a year or two of sitting on the shelf start to lose(by degradation) the data in it?
@therealjaystone2344
@therealjaystone2344 Жыл бұрын
Exposure to the oxygen onto metal causes degradation overtime.
@ryutenmen
@ryutenmen Жыл бұрын
@@therealjaystone2344 ok, but the metal of the actual chip is not exposed; its inside of the epoxy resin(the black outer shell of the microchip that is meant to protect the actual microchip inside).
@therealjaystone2344
@therealjaystone2344 Жыл бұрын
@@ryutenmen even so, the cartridge of the game inside is prone to dust and heat that makes the inside of the hardware itself to have dust and rust. The fans were meant to keep heat out of the hardware but like an ordinary fan we had to keep it clean because dust is there.
@bernbern309
@bernbern309 Жыл бұрын
I collect for switch only games I want to play of course cause it’s fun. I’m not too concerned as 30-40 years from now I’ll be 50 or 60 and probably have other means to access these games by then.
@AllieRX
@AllieRX Жыл бұрын
Good thing there's emulation with Yuzu, Ryujinx and Skyline. In the event that the Switch cartridges stop working, you can use back up ROM files in the far future, when Nintendo is no longer supporting the Switch.
@RetroCheats
@RetroCheats Жыл бұрын
Are you saying my NES games will last longer then my switch games?
@cascadepinball
@cascadepinball Жыл бұрын
Very well could
@DijaVlogsGames
@DijaVlogsGames Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. I've been worried about it since we started hearing about DS games failing. It's too bad, but that seems to be the tradeoff for (cheap) storage.
@ssmelche
@ssmelche Жыл бұрын
My Wii U has the problem. I was able to use Xenoblade Chronicles X to apply an update and then my Nintendo Land game worked. Doing the System update didn't help at all so idk why Xenoblade Chronicles X helped. I then deleted and redownloaded Wind Waker and it then started working.
@verdman54
@verdman54 Жыл бұрын
I just got my four copies of contra physical anniversary collection two of them for switch I wonder what limited run games uses?
@Kamodomon
@Kamodomon Жыл бұрын
Yeah, happy this is making people look at their stuff and hopefully realize that there's a timer going on it. Granted, def seems like people are blowing it out of proportion but still. Everything degrades and fail and if you want it to last for a long time, either power it on once in a while, or back it up some how.
@daydreamhero1374
@daydreamhero1374 10 ай бұрын
This video gave me peace of mind..and i don't even have a switch yet..Lol
@deku812
@deku812 Жыл бұрын
I think Nintendo still manufactures all carts as far as i can tell. Anything over 4GB is just a chip with pins in the back. They are all Made in Japan still.
@Cosmic-Turtle
@Cosmic-Turtle Жыл бұрын
About two years ago I was going out of my way to obtain physical Game Boy Advance games from the Facebook market, as well as sites like Amazon. I managed to obtain a lot of really amazing GBA games but I had to stop once I found out about flash memory, and that physical game cartridges don't last forever. I'm 30 years old and I went through my whole life without anyone telling me about that stuff. It made me so sad. I really thought games lasted forever. Also I'm pretty sure some of those GBA games I got from Amazon and eBay are fake, not that it matters anymore.
@infinityeight8705
@infinityeight8705 Жыл бұрын
Original gba games use rom chips and will last many many years (50+) so I would not worry about those. it will be ds, 3ds and switch that will have the shorter lifespans!
@rynobehnke8289
@rynobehnke8289 Жыл бұрын
GBA just like most consoles before it used Mask Rom Chips which have far greater Lifespans. Fake cards however use flash often.
@silvania1989
@silvania1989 Жыл бұрын
I have gameboy color games that still work today!!
@infinityeight8705
@infinityeight8705 Жыл бұрын
@@silvania1989 And they should for many years to come as long as they are cared for (might need the battery changing but that's it). All my nes and master system games work perfectly and their from the 80's. The odd game cart that no longer works and the rom chip is dead, has usually been stored in extreme hot or cold conditions or damp conditions etc.
@silvania1989
@silvania1989 Жыл бұрын
@@infinityeight8705 That’s very true. I know people with SNES, N64 etc collections that still work perfectly fine. It you take good care of your games they should last you a long time.
@BackForwardPunch
@BackForwardPunch Жыл бұрын
What about the switch itself? Does that also have flash memory inside that will degrade over time?
@ryutenmen
@ryutenmen Жыл бұрын
Yes. The non-volatile memory inside the Switch will degrade over time, and its a double edge-sword, because to stop the degradation(data retention loss) you must use the Switch(using it will electrically charge the flash cell memories) but also using it will wear those cells. Thats the nature/limitation of flash memory.
@anonymoushuman8443
@anonymoushuman8443 Жыл бұрын
How long until then
@See_Sharp
@See_Sharp Жыл бұрын
If it still tastes like a Switch game then its still good.
@turbinegraphics16
@turbinegraphics16 Жыл бұрын
So mask rom is almost like a vinyl record in that the data is physical rather than just static charges. Plenty of roms have worn out, just look at the c64 scene.
@popculturehero
@popculturehero Жыл бұрын
It's going to degrade differently. Nes cartridges were not by design intended to last forever either. Vulnerable to rust, heat and dust. Everything has some entropy to it. It's still possible that a switch cart could boot up in sixty years under the best conditions.
@therealjaystone2344
@therealjaystone2344 Жыл бұрын
ACNH is unplayable after 2062
@IDreamOfGaming
@IDreamOfGaming Жыл бұрын
I had heard Switch games have a lower shelf life. It seems older consoles don't suffer from this, but its where video game preservation and ROM dumping becomes a necessity for future proofing.
@therealjaystone2344
@therealjaystone2344 Жыл бұрын
Let alone your micro sd cards to be shorter too. All of your update patches and paid DLCs will be gone forever if you don’t backup.
@RobertFierce
@RobertFierce Жыл бұрын
So back them up on the new Porcelain and Glass SSDs coming out and they now last forever.
@ginmil3436
@ginmil3436 Жыл бұрын
Wow man what camera are you using cause this was pretty criiippss !! 👍🏽 Real 4k if it isn't 8!
@cascadepinball
@cascadepinball Жыл бұрын
Sony ZV-1
@ginmil3436
@ginmil3436 Жыл бұрын
@@cascadepinball pretty good camera then! Thanks for your answer and your videos!!
@aballofgrime7273
@aballofgrime7273 Жыл бұрын
Is there a way to find out which WiiU's are at risk? Does anyone have an easy guide to fixing the problem?
@BloodVersus
@BloodVersus Жыл бұрын
My house is very cold during the winter and pretty warm during the summer. Hopefully my collection won't die faster.
@Mike09017
@Mike09017 Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to dump cartridges?
@davless152000
@davless152000 Жыл бұрын
Ok so do I have to worry about my 3 most fav switch games metroid prime remastered Mario odyssey and Mario kart 8 cause those are my fav switch games will those last atleast 20 years?
@backslash_iii
@backslash_iii Жыл бұрын
Is that Cactus Canyon I see?
@cascadepinball
@cascadepinball Жыл бұрын
Yes I also own a Deadpool and TMNT. I stream them on twich on Wednesdays at 5PM PST and Saturdays 2PM PST on twitch under Cellprocessing. Up this week is Deadpool.
@jaycris6338
@jaycris6338 Жыл бұрын
So in this case, isnt it better to use good quality sd cards which could last long compared to nintendo switch cartridges? I maybe wrong tho. In comparison to nintendo switch cartridge and ps5 discs, given that you are taking care of them both, which one will last longer? Thanks!
@markus9641
@markus9641 Жыл бұрын
What do you think about disc based games like PS4-PS5 games?
@pogman15
@pogman15 Жыл бұрын
they will develop disc rot
@markus9641
@markus9641 Жыл бұрын
@@pogman15 I'm referring to blu-rays, not cheaply manufactured CD's from the 80's and 90's
@pogman15
@pogman15 Жыл бұрын
@@markus9641 yeh i understand, but its the same. the material printed on the plastic disc would suffer the same effect, afaik every cd,dvd, blue ray ever will suffer from it eventually
@Z3llix
@Z3llix Жыл бұрын
Do you happen to know if the technology in Vita carts is similar to Switch/3DS?
@zombee38
@zombee38 Жыл бұрын
I went through my SNES cart collection and two games showed some issues...Starfox and super SW return of the Jedi...some years ago my Sega Genesis copy of Forgotten Worlds wasn't working right it was going through the intro and after you pressed start the intro sequence starts again making the game unplayable.
@NOTRIPFORTHEHIVE
@NOTRIPFORTHEHIVE Жыл бұрын
Part of that could be degradation of traces in the circuit board, broken solder joints, or simply dirty contacts, all of which can be simple repairs. If those are ruled out first, then data corruption may be the culprit.
@animemaster4861
@animemaster4861 Жыл бұрын
I had a copy of Batman forever for Genesis do exactly the same thing you would get to the start screen where you would press start where was supposed to go to the game and it would just always reloop and start from the beginning upon pressing start. All I had to do is just take a q-tip and put some isopropyl alcohol on and run it across the pins and clean them and then I let it dry for a little bit and try it again and it worked fine. As for the starfox cart counl just need to be cleaned or maybe there is a problem with one of the chips I know starfox use this one of the special ones
@timsnyder8431
@timsnyder8431 Жыл бұрын
Man I've seen convicting accounts of ds games anyone know if they are flash or mask?
@therealjaystone2344
@therealjaystone2344 Жыл бұрын
DS carts have save data to be stored at the cart itself.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Жыл бұрын
What is the point for buying physical games nowadays? You don't get instruction manuals, no concept art, no other cool stuff and these companies charge 60 dollars for a AAA release. Isn't like buying a CD or Vinyl Album that offers way more for a cheaper price and can last a very long time
@U9DATE
@U9DATE Жыл бұрын
So you actually own the game you’re buying.
@imprisonedone8054
@imprisonedone8054 Жыл бұрын
Just get your license and buy a motorcycle.
@The5hark
@The5hark Жыл бұрын
Will Switch games last longer if you fire them up ever year or so? Does feeding them in some periodic electricity help them last longer?
@therealjaystone2344
@therealjaystone2344 Жыл бұрын
No
@rubyjones7151
@rubyjones7151 Жыл бұрын
20 yrs from now you'll be able to get the entire switch library on one card from a foreign country for peanuts 🥜
@delresearch5416
@delresearch5416 Жыл бұрын
Its mlc flash like a ssd. The system sends a refresh.
@viridionwaves
@viridionwaves Жыл бұрын
I have to say you just said 30-40 years with some confidence but no one really knows. The marketing from Macronix said ***as long as*** 20 years at 85 degrees Celsius. That to me means at the long end, not on average. Now higher temps were mentioned to increase rate of degradation, so in a climate controlled environment, it should last longer than whatever they tested at 85C. However, we don't really know how long they will last. The charge in the memory cells slowly drains over time, getting replenished when it's used, and the cell integrity weakens over time. So it's unclear how long a cart left untouched vs one used every few months would fare. They should last relatively long, hopefully around the two decade mark plus, and I personally think they'll last as long as 30 years... We can make guesses and predictions, but it's impossible to know for certain until we get there, unfortunately.
@AB-sr9mc
@AB-sr9mc Жыл бұрын
theres an interesting thread gbatemp titled ""Nintendo Switch/3DS cartridge lifespan"" worth reading.
@Thros1
@Thros1 Жыл бұрын
By design or chance thanks to cost cutting? What kind of legal ramifications are there for selling a product they possibly know will fail relatively soon given Nintendo's history?
@M-Batman
@M-Batman Жыл бұрын
From the Joycon Drift lawsuit we learned people forfeit their rights to a lawsuit as soon as they purchase a Nintendo product. It's in their TOS. A case could be made that they need to explicitly mention in big bold letter that their product have a short term shelf life. That's is if we get anyone pissed off and sue for damages and false advertising.
@zeniktorres4320
@zeniktorres4320 Жыл бұрын
Nintendo cost cutting of course. They went cheap, and their OS wasn't good either, and they didn't bother fix it. No support. Nintendo don't care. So I don't support the company anymore.
@plaztik767
@plaztik767 Жыл бұрын
Physical copies should last indefinitely. Anything else is a cost saving measure to push the consumer to digital only purchasing.
@absoluteclownworld
@absoluteclownworld Жыл бұрын
I bet switch games will last 100 years
@javierdelgado3915
@javierdelgado3915 Жыл бұрын
Maybe things just weren't meant to last forever. Maybe we're meant to enjoy them as they exist. No one is really using old radios from 40, 50 years ago
@simonbellmont
@simonbellmont Жыл бұрын
This is the most ….I have know words. Time to find another hobby. This is ridiculous! The standard was Atari, Nintendo, Sega carts. This is some bullsqueeze straight up.
@CorruptedShadowDarkStar
@CorruptedShadowDarkStar Жыл бұрын
Say how long would gamecube games would last?
@BookerT91
@BookerT91 Жыл бұрын
If you don't mind me asking, about how long will our PS3 consoles last?
@traewatkins931
@traewatkins931 Жыл бұрын
if the switch carts are played like once a year or so would that help them last longer or are we just screwed long term?
@gamingwithstand6886
@gamingwithstand6886 Жыл бұрын
Screwed long term. It's a issue with SSD drives and USB drives. Look up wedding photography memory card fail. I would only be buying games I want to play and would not be collecting as a hobby because long term it's a waste.
@viridionwaves
@viridionwaves Жыл бұрын
Actually yes I believe it should. Do your own research but from what I read the cells benefit from being recharged as they are used. The charge trapped in Nand memory cells slowly drains over time so if it's not used for years and years it could possibly drain away resulting in corrupted data. Now I've had data sticks that lasted 10 years with data, but it's supposed to be a thing. Of course the cells will still lose integrity over time so they will fail eventually, like all Nand based memory. Hopefully it's a very long time
@remedy334
@remedy334 4 ай бұрын
How accurate is this..has Nintendo agreed..
@LidiaVTuber
@LidiaVTuber Жыл бұрын
10 years lol, no way... the games will be dead before the console is even discontinued
@Jazzatic2011
@Jazzatic2011 Жыл бұрын
Speaking of preservation. Anyone got a channel recomend for a wii u game list? Lets juwt say im dumb or not up to speed on what nintendo is now but i bough a modded wii u and 1 game didnt load right. So if i want to remedy that i just need to know what im doing
@zombee38
@zombee38 Жыл бұрын
Worrying about Switch games is way too much in my opinion..those could probably last 50 years or longer....and anyways who would care by then !
@juicetimer
@juicetimer Жыл бұрын
People still care about NES games and they are already 40 years old
@MsZsc
@MsZsc Жыл бұрын
It is the standards to which they are built, and the premium price nintendo has forced upon us all.
@markusvhane5087
@markusvhane5087 Жыл бұрын
Wait!!! Now I am discouraged to collect any longer! 😢
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