How Many Akatsuki Members Does Orochimaru KILL?

[@bannanman3296]

I'm glad I got here before your 1k I see you blowing up with this channel eventually my boy keep up the work ❤

[@catchdog]

Unreal comment. Thanks Mate

[@catchdog]

@Orochimaru 🤣🤣🤣

[@SilverSuisei]

For the longest time, I thought Orochimaru would be the end game villain because of how hyped up he was in Part 1. Imo, he's way more terrifying than Madara and Obito combined. They did evil things to justify the means of bringing the world to a better place. Orochimaru's evil has no semblance of good at all. If he caught you, there's no telling what he would do to you. He's unpredictable and manipulative and that is what makes him such a sinister villain to bring tension to the story. I always like seeing discussions about how strong he is to other powerful opponents. I completely agree that Orochimaru folds most of the Akatsuki aside from Pain and Obito. But with his intelligence and if Kishimoto really used him to his full potential, he could have become the strongest person in the world period.

[@MrCruzin93]

I would argue that makes madara and obito better villains, it adds more depth that they are not evil for the sake of being evil. There are grey areas in the real world, different beliefs. So the fact that they are fighting what they believe to be right makes them better villains

[@phoenixnuhl]

Orochimaru could still be the end game villain.

[@friendlyelarts9042]

It's kind of interesting in Naruto how the most irredeemably evil villains were ultimately the weaker ones.

[@The__Deadman]

@@MrCruzin93 No it doesn't. So if a villain is actually evil that makes him worse? Orochimaru isn't evil for the sake of being evil, not even close. There is so much more to his character. You can watch Sage's Rain's "Philosophy of Orochimaru" he can explain it much better than me.

[@QuasarKen009]

That's a big opinion my brother

[@Kenseiblades]

This might be the best fight analysis video I’ve seen in a couple of years. Solid arguments the whole time. Great scaling statements!!!

[@catchdog]

Mate I really appreciate that

[@MartinLutherBurner]

Orochimaru as end game villain would’ve been so amazing.

[@kiravampira1456]

Still hoping for this in "Boruto". *All* the other villains combined (the entire Akatsuki and all Otsutsukis) don't come even close to his level of dark charm and ingenious powers. He was simply meant to be the perfect villain🐍

[@alibabat.v9389]

Orochimarus survival skills is maxed out he’ll just keep escaping and coming back until he wins😂

[@DarienJDees]

So basically the Sannin scale above the majority of characters who aren't blessed with Otsutsuki genetic advantages. So Oro especially was among the top tier non-Otsutsuki before he even got the Zetsu body. Anyway, Excellent analysis, y'all 👍🏾 Just subbed 😁

[@kevingbergiste7372]

Kisame himself still has a lot of chakra. And the fact that he’s already accustomed to that form means he’s actually been in that form many times to even have jutsu for it. Also, couldn’t orochimaru just poison the water?

[@brooklyn560]

I just wanna point out that we are 100% putting more thought in these fights than Kishi ever did lol.

[@jeremyjames2643]

I bet kishi watches videos like this just laughing at us overcomplicating and overthinking everything 😂

[@Ave_Satana666]

Obitp was more like sakura then naruto

[@MrHarshverdhan]

.........yeah no. I get the idea of trolling orignal author but Naruto is one battle system with very little oversight (except the ridiculous scaling in war arc).

[@tmd-w1552]

I think with the Kisame fight is we don't know what would happen if he actually manages to absorb Orochimarus chakra which is sage chakra thanks to Jugos Sage transformation which we know Orochimaru has.

[@bandit7459]

I think one of the biggest issues with the lower tiers of Akatsuki, even the hax ones like Deidara and Sasori...is Orochimaru has been keeping tabs on them and knows them better than anyone. He's knows their strengths and knowing he will have to deal with them long-term as they wanted him dead, he probably has counters for most of them outside Pain and Itachi.

[@spit-fire]

I agree, but it goes both ways too. Orochimaru is on practically every members hit list. I would still say Orochimaru probably benefits the most out of it though, due to his move pool and resources.

[@basedcommentor]

Those garbage paths were clapped by Konohamaru and chased off by Kiba and Tsume, captured by Ibiki and chased by Shino, his dad and another. Not seeing them scaling to sage Jiraiya unless you argue that was after Chaotic Shinra and they were all nerfed

[@Rck-vert]

Konoharmaru defeated the weakest path and even so, he caught it offgaurd by tricking him. Pain literally reacted to Kiba and his mom, then processed to outrun them lol, he’s literally faster than them which is impressive as he can run faster than a dog. Don’t remember Shino fighting Pain, wasn’t he fighting Konan? Jiraya himself admitted that he cannot defeat these paths of Pain without traps.

[@SlayingSin]

14:50 what's even crazier about that cutscene is that after Orochimaru gets blasted with a full power Shinra Tensei, the man just stands up and BRUSHES THE DUST OFF like it was nothing.

[@wilsoncox582]

honestly your take on sasori is probably the most based take i’ve heard

[@Sweetdude64]

Just found you through TG. W channel. I subbed

[@robertlee9602]

Congrats on 1k.

[@catchdog]

Thank you!

[@deathreaper4166]

Great video! I am glad I came across your account. You got a new sub! One major thing I disagree with however is the Kisame vs Orochimaru topic, although I did feel you and TG were fair and didn't clearly say it would go one way or another, I have some contentions. So I think the place to start is the Hiruzen scaling and I just don't think P1 Hiruzen scales to Shippuden Raikage, especially in speed. I think it's narratively implied that the Raikage was the fastest Ninja in the world after Minato's death and the Raikage says as much when he encounters Minato. So, I think the "strongest kage" statement can be related to Jutsu strength and Hax, but not speed. Moreover, the Raikage trains in the series so it is very likely that in the timeskip he got stronger and faster. We see that as a Jonin he gets blitzed by base minato but in Shippuden, the data books state that he has speed not inferior to the yellow flash. Then for the topic of who is more nerfed in the war I think it's clearly the Raikage, he is physically exhausted and missing an arm and I don't even think he fights in V2 after that. Meanwhile Hiruzen has infinite stamina and is not shackled by his old body which he considers a drawback. The Edo Hokage were also revived by unique means via Orochimaru so its not clear wether they would receive the same nerfs as the Edo's revived by Kabuto, in fact, the story seems to imply the opposite as Tobirama states that the Kage have been revived "close" to their original power, implying relativity. So anyways, I think this all points to Hiruzen not scaling to the Raikage in speed. Meanwhile, Kisame scales above Base Bee who is able to beat V1 Raikage with his Lariat and base kisame without Samehada made guy use the 7th gate (we know that in character Guy uses the lowest gate he thinks he needs to win as he says he has "no choice" before going 6th gate against 30% Kisame). Base Kisame is also able to release the Ultimate Water Shark Bomb Jutsu with relative speed to Hirudora and in the war 7th gate Guy is able to use Hirudora's to blitz Madara's Susaano clones, the same clones that an amped Raikage was struggling with. Overall, I think that this points to Kisame being able to outspeed Orochimaru quite clearly. At that point, it comes down to whether he has a win con against Orochimaru and I think he has several. Firstly, I think he negs Orochimaru and the edo hokage in CQC, because any prolonged contact with Samehada or Kisame's skin would result in their chakra being drained. Samehada is able to bring a full power base Bee to his knees within one panel in the manga and Kisame does the same to Aoba at the waterfall. Samehada is also able to reduce V2 Bee to less than 8 tails in V1 just by blocking one attack. Orochimaru and the hokage do not have that kind of chakra so within a few interactions they would be forced to fight long range or they would just straight up lose by attrition. Also, what does Orochimaru do to an Ultimate Water Shark Bomb Jutsu? Any ninjutsu would be absorbed so his best bet would be Rashomon gates, but those would run out eventually and Kisame could also manipulate his water jutsu around the gates by turning them into sharks. And as far as Orochimaru’s win cons, I don’t think there are many. None of his ninjutsu would work and any damage he inflicts on Kisame would be healed by Samehada. Even in hydra form I think his chakra could be absorbed as Samehada is able to absorb 9 tails chakra effortlessly which is considered toxic. Orochimaru’s best bet would probably be Tobirama’s bringer of darkness Genjutsu but even if edo tobirama is able to use it, I think Samehada would just snap Kisame out of the genjutsu. Samehada doesn’t have eyes so it would not get caught in the genjutsu and it is also an autonomous being able to give and take chakra as it pleases, as it does so with Killer Bee. So if it injected Kisame with chakra it could easily disrupt any genjutsu. To conclude, I think Kisame out speeds Orochimaru and has better win conditions. In a fight I think he blitzes and steals enough chakra from him and the hokage to win by attrition. However, even if you think they are relative in combat speed, Kisame’s strongest attack should be faster than anything in Orochimaru’s arsenal and with it’s, Hax should be able to put Oro and the Kage down. For some reason if you think all that doesn’t matter then Kisame still wins by outlasting them. Kisame states that he gets stronger as the battle progresses, which means that eventually he would get amped enough to out scale Orochimaru and the Hokage and win.

[@catchdog]

W comment, i agree the raikage and Kisame have some crazy feats and scaling.

[@buckashisensei]

Brudda I been watching all your videos and didn't even realize how small the channel is , I just assumed you were up there with swag an nem just from your content

[@catchdog]

My guy thank you! btw that could be the funniest name I've ever seen in my comments section XD

[@buckashisensei]

@@catchdog hahah thank you sir

[@Nine_Guinea_Pigs]

We never see sasori go all out or even really try all that much, he wanted the fight to last a while and eventually kill them but eventually he embraced his death in his parents arms, chiyo admitted he didn’t even bother trying to dodge,

[@user_miike]

10/10 video i jus found the channel and i like the energy you two have

[@Destroyer_of_Worlds]

It's weird Konan didn't use sealing tags too. Blow up Snake Man, sealing tags up the wazoo on the parts left to restrict movement to make it harder for him to regenerate.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

I can see him beating everyone until Itachi/Pain/Obito

[@Nara.Shikamaru]

Hashirama and Tobirama were in limbo after Hiruzen’s reaper death seal. They’re in there with Hiruzen and with Orochimaru’s arms. They weren’t released until Orochimaru used the mask at the Uzumaki shrine in the war arc.

[@TheEternalFlame57]

Congrats at 1k my guy!!

[@catchdog]

My guy, you'll be there shortly!!!!!

[@TheEternalFlame57]

@@catchdog Thanks man!

[@spit-fire]

Orochimaru’s most likely win cons (regardless if he wins or not) - hidan: striking shadow snake lol - kakuzu: sealing/destroy masks -diedera: catch him off guard after faking death to explosion. - sassori: go straight for the core. Probably has intel on it & poison. - Kisame: snake venom. Kisame is susceptible. - itachi: hide. use edo tensi to tire itachi out. Force a ninjutsu heavy fight. -pain: find nagato/after distracting pains. Or stall the pains while snakes look for nagato. Obito: get your edos into kamui. Orochimaru has venom specifically to paralyze zetzu cells. Get a snake bite off of Obito attempts to grab you.

[@Sweetlesishere]

21:49 Orochimaru's 8-branches sage form nullifies Kisame, even in water bubble it's worse

[@ajayimoses2495]

Nope kisame super shark attacks fused with sammehada would overwhelm it

[@Sweetlesishere]

@@ajayimoses2495 besides Biju, no summon in canon is stronger than the sage animals. The bubble absorbs chakra, and it may or may not be passive. But, Orochimaru's body is liquid-like, based off of Suigetsu's Kekkai Genkai, so physical attacks won't even do anything, that's why the Totsuka blade was required to beat him. They're also just ordinary sharks besides the big one that just absorbs chakra. 8-branches wins easily

[@shake4259]

W special Gratz on 1k

[@catchdog]

Appreciate that my guy!

[@trevionhenderson5721]

War arc Orochi is most definitely a serious threat, but war arc Tsunade is the strongest sannin though.

[@lukystarr883]

I think Orochimaru will become the strongest villain based on his abilities, ambition, and goals. You need to do a kabuto video too.

[@bijuutamer729]

I’ve always thought Deidara was stronger than Sasori. Deidara’s arsenal is more impressive and Deidara was one of the few villains who actually did train because he was planning to kill Itachi. He also knew about Sasori’s weak point exclaiming it like it would have been a doable feat to destroy it.

[@Mvfasalways]

Never seen your channel. But will support the growth

[@liberationpocket7950]

Now...imagine Orochimaru with 2 sharingan. Arguably Otsutsuki level lmao

[@dalwinlogan2594]

He would still lose to obito itschi and pain

[@liberationpocket7950]

@@dalwinlogan2594 Orochimaru would definitely be able to unlock Rinnegan on his own given his "immortality" and his collection of Hashi cells. So at that point, he would already surpass Itachi and Pain. As for Obito, it would come down to who has the better genjutsu or sealing

[@СергейКочан-ь3т]

@@liberationpocket7950 You know that to unlock rinnegan u need Ashura and Indra chakras combined and not just the Uchiha and Senju cells,right???

[@СергейКочан-ь3т]

@@liberationpocket7950 So he need not just the Hashi cells but a certain sharingan of Sasuke or Madara,not just random one

[@liberationpocket7950]

@@СергейКочан-ь3т I mean since this is a made up scenario, Orochimaru successfully takes over Sasuke's body and he already owns hashi cells. The rest is a matter of time, which he obviously has plenty of

[@numberhunter62]

Jiraiya is above Pein arc Kakashi but not by as much as Kakashi thinks. Remember Kakashi made the wrong assumption about Jiraiya fighting all 6 of them, which didn't really happen. Jiraiya himself admits it'd be suicide to take 3 of them on properly, let alone 6. Not to mention Jiraiya never fought Tendo Pein, the one that Kakashi fought. Not to mention Kakashi destroyed the Path of Pein that tore of Sage Jiraiya's arm. Kakashi simply gaslit himself into thinking Jiraiya was stronger than he actually was. Hell, jutsuless Orochimaru did a better job against 4 Tails Naruto than Jiraiya who was near deathed by him. That thing with Sasuke and resistance to poison isn't due to the Curse Mark or Orochimaru's chakra, it's just that he built that up in a similar way to which the Zoldyks in Hunter x Hunter did. Sasuke got them strong antibodies. And there's no way Orochimaru didn't do that same shit to himself.

[@B00MR0ASt3D]

Love y’all dudes man but saying Kakuzu had help against Kakashi cuz he had his own literal hearts, and Hidan who got isolated and took one of his hearts is crazy. He helped the enemy more than his partner. Y’all are sleeping on him, pain arc Kakashi is not that far from Jiraiya so it’s not fair to scale Kakuzu to part 1 Kakashi, he got wayyyyy stronger.

[@topcat59]

Cool vid bro.😺

[@SatorisYT]

Great video! I think You did the topic justice. I will say I do believe Kisame would beat Orochimaru, but You made fair points. Congrats on 1,000 subscribers!

[@catchdog]

Thank you my friend. I knew you were going to back Kisame here xD

[@SatorisYT]

@@catchdog What can I say? I'm his number 1 fan 😄

[@Julio9j11j]

😂 kisame is a beast

[@totallynotalazyguy737]

Kisame got folded by guy he isn't beating orochimaru.

[@LuhTwizzy__]

@@totallynotalazyguy737 Gai is a complete counter to Kisame dumbass argument

[@hiddenmarco]

I gotta video coming on it bc i think there are blatant narrative/inconsistencies with sasori's power that makes him hard to and so confusing to scale. Imo sasori is the hardest character to scale in the akatsuki bc there are too many plotholes and corners that u run into when trying to find a definitive spot of where to place him. With konan prolly being the 2nd hardest to scale bc we just dont see her fight. But with sasori like I said he's one of the hardest character to scale in the series. Along with ppl like hiruzen for the reasons u named in the video and I think in those cases is just blatant instances of kishimoto not thinking far enough ahead of certain things so he mistakenly writes himself into corners when it comes to establishing ppls power which is what cause so much contention when scaling certain characters bc when power scalers look back and analyze the series we go thru all these arcs and fights and that's when we notice the inconsistencies which are kinda bound to happen in a story like this bc kishimoto is only human so it's only natural he would forget certain things and change things or things will get retconned due to not thinking far enough ahead into the story. And bc he's not powerscaling his own series he's prolly not gonna go back into his own story and go over every fight enough to notice the inconsistencies and compilations that only youtubers like us are gonna notice and acknowledge bc we're trying to definitively powerscale characters and due to these reasons I just named above it just isn't possible for certain characters to definitively place them in the right spot bc of the blatant narrative inconsistencies and situations that just arent given enough context and clarification in regards to certain characters' power levels like sasori, tobirama, hiruzen, etc. Characters like sasori run into the problem of they should be more powerful based off of lore and statements but their actual feats that we see on screen/panel within the fights they participate in contradict them and just confusion and unsureness. Hopefully u read the comment and get where I'm coming from.

[@catchdog]

Totally get where you are coming from! The guy has the best lore but the worst feats I swear. Thanks for watching man, keep grinding

[@momotheone9700]

Sasori man its rough for his scaling bruh, like we saw deidara on screen reacting to sasuke with a sharingan, he did admit sasuke was way faster than him though, we also see deidara power mess with sasuke, sasuke had all of the counters to deal with deidara, yet it took sasuke everything he had despite having the elemental advantage and peopme are just gonna ignore this and just say sasori is superior? Come on right, thats what i would say, but then you have another thing where deidara can just not tank anytgink sasori dishes out, like deidara is getting poisoned if cut, which can happen easily, iron sand is gonna damage him it threatened sakura its most definitely scratching deidara if that happens he dies, C4 wont work as sasori does not have any blood stream for the jutsu to manipulate, its not like the jutsu were affecting the plants or the trees or such, sasori is a human puppet so that jutsu wont work, then you have the 3rd kazekage puppet which is relative to the actual 3rd kazekage as it is stated how the puppets are created they still have their kekkei genkai and stuff, and sasori himself is his best puppet so he scales over some form of the 3rd kazekage, who is the strongest kazekage over gaara who was keeping up with deidara, then you have to remember in the fight deidara did request tobis assistance to put landmines into the ground which was a big game changer in that fight and has nothing to do with deidara on his own, so feats wise yes deidara has better feats, but in a match up sasori has the edge and the different in speed atleast is not consistent to say sasori is atleast relative, thats why i just leave this and say sasori and deidara are equal.

[@hobbyhorse5848]

​@@catchdog I believe that Orochimaru clears Sasori, but I’m going to have to say that I believe theres some downplay going on, and that I hope I can change ur mind with what I’m about 2 say. This’ll be long so sorry lol but I wanna be thorough & not vague with my arguments. Speed It needs to be said that not only did Sasori actually blitz Sakura, but he blitzed her multiple times in the fight. He blitzed her with hidden weapons (Chiyo had to summon the mother & father to save her, she literally just couldn’t even react to it), he was going to blitz her with the third Kazekage’s pure melee speed which Chiyo had to yank her back & then save her with Hiruko’s tale, she was going to get blitzed by Hiruko’s needle spam without Chiyo, Sakura can’t even follow the movements of Chiyo & Sasori’s puppet battle, Sakura gets blitzed by the iron sand and needs to be saved by Chiyo twice. In fact it’s only stated that Sakura begins to dodge his attacks because she memorizes his patterns and starts Aim dodging, which she needed Chiyo to save her from multiple blitz attempts in order to do. Keep in mind this is a mental amp Sakura at peak strength, the Sakura that Sasuke blitzed was mentally nerfed (she was totally in shock from actually seeing him) as well as nerfed from being poisoned by the 9 tails chakra (this nerf would get so bad that she had even just collapsed earlier from it). Then Sai of all people who’s like…BoS base Naruto level immediately reacts to Sasuke’s point blank attack on Naruto, so let’s not take that speed feat out of context or act like this is the same Sakura that got slapped by Karui. Power In the scene where Orochimaru kills Rasa he states “I owe this victory to you Kimimaro” so it was very much a gank fight and Orochimaru himself implies it would’ve been more difficult for him if he was alone. This same Rasa can match early WA Gaara in the power and speed of his gourd sand, which is at least equal to his 5KS sand that can totally block a kick from the Raikages full power guillotine drop. It’s stated by Chiyo verbatim that iron sand is the most powerful weapon in the history of Suna, and Sasori states that it made him “the strongest of them all,” then a statement from the village elders that he was the most powerful either “by far” or just “than his predecessors” depending on the translation. But the important thing is that the raw power of the iron sand is what makes it so strong, stronger than the gold dust, stronger than Shukaku. And this puppet very much can use the iron sand to the exact same degree as the living third, since Chiyo states as much and even says that being able to wield a human puppet at such a level is what “Gives him [Sasori] such supreme power.” Did Sasori actually beat the 3rd Kazekage? Yes, every single statement we have on the matter says that Sasori beat him in a real fight. Sasori says “This one was difficult to finish/acquire”. It’s stated by the databook that “A difficult opponent, , and then turned into a puppet is pure ego gold for Sasori.” So Sasori did fight him in a difficult battle (probably max difficulty), and that defeating him and using his corpse as a trophy was a huge ego boost for him. Hell even Sasori’s durability is underrated, his puppet body eats a punch from Sakura who was stated by Chiyo to have relative physical strength to young Tsunade (not saying she scales in combat ability, but raw strength it’s directly stated). Yes this undoes his joints, but the actual puppet body isn’t even cracked or shattered at the site of impact. Keep in mind that Sakura’s physical strength at this point is no joke, Kakashi is under the impression that one hit from her would mess him up, the same Kakashi took a kick to the gut from Kakuzu and got right back up.

[@Mc_nice]

Part 1 orochimaru was godlike he was the reason why i became a narutard back then. what kishi did to him afterwards crawls my blood especially in boruto

[@mintmeister9663]

I agree the scaling for Jiraiya over kakashi at the time up to pain arc, but kakashi fought the 2 strongest paths , jiraiya didn't and when the 6 ganged up on him he immediately got fucked.

[@momotheone9700]

Ok so kakashi would got clap too.

[@mintmeister9663]

@@momotheone9700 of course

[@brodyday6509]

Love my boy Orochimaru

[@Sweetlesishere]

27:16 Manda is stronger than the shark summons too

[@momotheone9700]

24:44 im always saying this man kisame greatest power varies based on the person hes figthing, in base hes strong, but hes not that high level of fighter,when you look at the sannin they have great jutsus off jump that can be pulled to fight off and do very well and sometimes end the fight quickly, its not gonna be easy for kisame to just do that to an orochimaru like what he did to bee in the start of the fight.

[@orochimarupr]

Prime orochimaru which is war arc beats all of them except for WM obito. Akatsuki orochimaru is the 4th strongest after itachi

[@magnol1a_]

True

[@devinwalton408]

Plot twist, Kisame absorbs chakra directly from the pure lands and goes full ape on the verse.

[@eligreg99]

Orochimaru is a Kage level enemy. Could’ve been the next Madara if the author would’ve wrote him better

[@nhlanhlavusumuzimsibi867]

Would it be wrong to argue that orochimaru knew he could take the susanos attack already after itachi cut him I and didn't even try to dodge itachis kusanagi because he didn't know he had it.

[@BeerRunBennyTheKid]

A good analysis over all. Gotta disagree on the Jiraiya power gage tho. He clapped 3 Pains without himself taking a hit. When the human Path charged him, he cought Jiraiyas sandal to the dome. At the end of the Fight Pain even says, if they didn’t have the element of surprise they could not have won.

[@Rck-vert]

It’s 2023 and ppl still think Jiraya was on par with Pain. His chances of winning against Pain is 1/10 because genjutsu is the only thing he has that works against Pain. That’s why he would’ve won if he knew his secret but that genjutsu only works with prep time otherwise Pain will one shot the toads.

[@desmos5]

Okay, so of course ı agree that orochimaru claps sasori,but Sakura is never relative to sasori Both Chiyo and sasori stated that Sakura couldnt dogde hirukos omnidirectonal senbons. So Sakura gets slammed by hiruko with no diff (sasoris weakest form) then sasori used third kazekage and blitzed sakura horribly with the puppets blade,multiple hands and regular kunais. When the iron sand comes out,Chiyo said that “sakura,you are no match for him now” after the first iron sand attack,sasori also said that “is that it? Saving the girl is all you could manage granny?” I admit,sakura dogded the giant ieon sand blocks. But then sasori changed his attack pattern and injured sakura. Sasori also blitzed her with poisoned rope and nobody knows this,in the manga (actual canon fight) Sakura only destroyed one puppet and then sasori blitzed her with another puppet. 12:52 this scene is irrevelant because before that scene,Chiyo Said “ı will take care the other puppets” so sasori was busy to dealing with Chiyo,thats why Sakura was able to dogde it So overall sasori is much faster than sakura but other than that ı generally agree with you

[@redbirdtribe]

Damn 1000 subscribers says 6k now and now this is being shoved to my feed bro. Looks like you just hit the algorithm gj You've made it!

[@catchdog]

Thanks man that means a lot!

[@thanosbambi]

i remember needing my older brother to do the hydra vs. susanoo spam for me. sh!t was impossible. orochimaru wins just for that.

[@alexeiharp7676]

Cool video guys 👍 Just to add a few things I think Kishimoto made a mistake picturing Oro loosing against base sharingan static Itachi, even if it worked as a parallel with Sasuke taking over during their duel. He'd at least make him activate his mangekyo like during that Kisame fight. Then it would be over soon. Also against Pain and Obito considering how Oro is well informed their fights would be a lot more interesting. Still he'd most probably loose in the end but intel+edotensei+durability and versatility in jutsu for each fight would be an awesome thing to watch.

[@trafalgard.187]

Sasori lost on purpose againt Sakura and chiyo! He let himself die

[@momotheone9700]

ESasori man its rough for his scaling bruh, like we saw deidara on screen reacting to sasuke with a sharingan, he did admit sasuke was way faster than him though, we also see deidara power mess with sasuke, sasuke had all of the counters to deal with deidara, yet it took sasuke everything he had despite having the elemental advantage and peopme are just gonna ignore this and just say sasori is superior? Come on right, thats what i would say, but then you have another thing where deidara can just not tank anytgink sasori dishes out, like deidara is getting poisoned if cut, which can happen easily, iron sand is gonna damage him it threatened sakura its most definitely scratching deidara if that happens he dies, C4 wont work as sasori does not have any blood stream for the jutsu to manipulate, its not like the jutsu were affecting the plants or the trees or such, sasori is a human puppet so that jutsu wont work, then you have the 3rd kazekage puppet which is relative to the actual 3rd kazekage as it is stated how the puppets are created they still have their kekkei genkai and stuff, and sasori himself is his best puppet so he scales over some form of the 3rd kazekage, who is the strongest kazekage over gaara who was keeping up with deidara, then you have to remember in the fight deidara did request tobis assistance to put landmines into the ground which was a big game changer in that fight and has nothing to do with deidara on his own, so feats wise yes deidara has better feats, but in a match up sasori has the edge and the different in speed atleast is not consistent to say sasori is atleast relative, thats why i just leave this and say sasori and deidara are equal.

[@trafalgard.187]

@@momotheone9700 Sasori Is stronger than Deidara, it's stated in the manga and you can't deny that. Deidara only has one style of fighting and totally weak to a specific element (lightning). Sasori Is a better fighter overall, he can fight long and short range, and can use more chakra elements. He's One of the strongest akatsuki members: - 2nd higher databook stats of the members - Stated to be stronger than Deidara who was said to be 'quite strong' by Kisame - Killed the strongest kazekage - Conquered a nation Etc..

[@spit-fire]

@@trafalgard.187 I agree. But deidara isn’t as weak to lightning as u might think. But yeah deidera is one dimensional. He’s a terrorist, more than a shinobi. Sassori is a seasoned highly skilled shinobi KILLER. Onioki says he hated that about deidera, “always attacking from the shadows”. We even see him try to sneak attack off guard sasuke right off the bat. Sassori is the type to face the opponent in a fair start, starting off in a weaker puppet even. Basically sassori is more reliable meta good, deidera is more of gimmick that takes advantage of flight.

[@liberationpocket7950]

​@@trafalgard.187 Nah I am denying that. Deidara is definitely stronger than Sasori. Deidara "declares" that Sasori is stronger but look at who HE was fighting. He was fighting against Kakashi and Naruto. Meanwhile, they left Sakura and Chiyo alone. Deidara was basically letting them know that they shouldn't have split up

[@trafalgard.187]

@@liberationpocket7950 loool they left them because they had the antidote and chiyo knew very well the opponent, Also Deidara wasnt even fighting, Kakashi and Naruto followed him because he was just escaping, you think chiyo could have run to catch him at that age? 😂

[@AlexisTheDragon]

I really did think they wrote the anime bad to the point people think Itachi is immortal and can beat everyone and Orochimaru sucks. Or perhaps tbh, people are just that stupid, Kakashi was too afraid to fight Orochimaru and knew there was no way he could win, he wasn't afraid to fight Itachi. Itachi and Kisame knew they'd die vs Jiraiya, and Jiraiya wasn't even a perfect sage, orochimaru was (sage mode at all times) even greater than Naruto. People seem to not realize, that Itachi died from sickness, if he slipped up once and got his jugular slit, he'd die, he's REALLY GOOD at 1v1's due to his genjutsu, but in all out war or even a large skirmish, not so much, see his battles with Juzo. Yet if you by some miracle found the unbelievable force to damage Orochimaru's skin, let alone his flesh and bones and blew his head off, he'd prob just grow it back.

[@kennyyang6350]

you guys forgot something. Edo tensei needs sacrifice and Orochimaru wont have people all the time to use edo tensei. It needs preparation. Also, it is a one time use I believe. Orochimaru can bring the hokages on the war arc because he brought their souls back from the shinigami 8 trigram seal. If orochimaru can spam edo tensei however he please, he could of wipe out the entire akatsuki. 1st and 2nd hokage are way more than enough to wipe the entire Akatuski. only chance akatsuki might survive is with Itachi totsuka sword with sealing jutsu or pain somehow can suck the hokage soul, which i dont think it is going to be easy.

[@CH1C4N0444]

KCM1 level Pain is a massive W take

[@TheFanDEATH]

The only thing I would argue with here is you guys kind of ignore how the location nerfed Sage mode Jiraiya in the Pain fight.

[@Sweetlesishere]

7:53 I don't think he could avoid a C3 explosion. Even if reverse summoning, that would leave C0 open for a draw

[@sippinlosses]

I kinda forget that up until his "death" this man just had the first and second hokage on deck then all 4

[@catchdog]

Bro he also had Minato

[@Julio9j11j]

Cash dog and Thunder God like off the bat

[@Julio9j11j]

Also congratulations on 1K

[@amorbis4210]

Oro would have edos but not the hokage since they were sealed by the time the akatsuki were active in the story.

[@55ibman]

Cool video. Not subbing cause the burp. If another video comes up on my rec I’ll watch though. Commenting for algo.

[@catchdog]

Thanks for letting me know, I'll be sure to burp in every video

[@55ibman]

@@catchdog it gross but okay

[@catchdog]

@@55ibman Its all good bro I'm just messing with you, thanks for the comments

[@BlaxkSun]

Well for clarification when you look at Bee and Raikage. Ay is stronger then Bee, Bee didn’t really match him til the war. Remember he says at match during the flashbacks of them when bee was a kid and the 4th GSW

[@mariogrant9625]

It’s statements saying itachi and nagato have statements saying their invincible, but ppl can still say minato would beat him 🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️

[@johntrains1317]

If the sea of paper bombs would've killed Obito without B.S. Izanagi, it's killing Orochimaru. Also, what the heck is with people saying the rods affect healing and mobility and all this? You know, if your impaled with multiple of anything, it's gonna stop you from moving smh

[@Dosha.Khalid.22]

Was jiraiya really running from the weaker paths of pain or trying to understand why thier is 6 paths and understand the situation at the same time combat whatever is coming at him. He went in blind

[@matthewspencer2094]

Pain wins when you fight on his terms. A full assault on his base, or hiding in a cave while the pains attack a home you're forced to defend. I could see Orochimaru doing his homework and simply murdering Nagato rather than fighting the paths of pain.

[@kirinstream2910]

so you guys are basically using orochimaru part 1 peak and sick orochimaru part 2. but what about orochimaru after absorbing his cells from kabuki which gave him an amp and then orochimaru from Boruto. based on what we have from orochimaru in Boruto, orochiamaru should blitze even obito. what are your thoughts because he definitely got a lot more powerful

[@catchdog]

Yeah man we did say at the very end Boruto Oro slaps the whole team, probs at the same time

[@Nyehhhhhh]

Do keep in mind Sasori is not going all out, and fighting his grandma who is battling against fucking Hanzo, and Sakura was a borderline puppet in that fight most of it.

[@Sweetlesishere]

15:49 yes but she didn't even beat the aburame clan in the pain assault on the village

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

Depends, if you make Orochimaru use edo-tensei with the 4th, it's done. Nothing they can do with Minato, since he'll be back with a part of the nine-tail

[@itsthemonster9277]

Orochimaru could probably just poison Kisame's water with poison smokescreens and force him to keep it down and just do the same trap as Kisame but with poison instead of drowning. The rest I agree with.

[@ross.b8699]

Hidan is not relative to Kakashi lmao…it was essentially Kakuzu+ his hearts+ Hidan vs Kakashi early on and Kakashi was holding his own

[@Furryfattal]

I legit thought for 3 mins before clicking on the vid like....orochi didn't kill any of them....right??? Lol 😂

[@devinwalton408]

He slaps all they way up to Kisame, then gets shit stomped by everyone above him.

[@appleboss9742]

I'd like to say my input. 7:20 if Diedara used the bomb and killed himself and Orochimaru, at best, that's a tie for Diedara.

[@soulplayzyt9923]

W konan placement

[@bijuutamer729]

I think Orochimaru would avoid using the Edos. Tobirama and Hashirama would feed Kisame. Kisame could sap the chakra out of the tree constructs.

[@QuasarKen009]

Over hyped Orochimaru.... My god 😵‍💫 Oro got floored by out of the womb Shippuden Sasuke. Deidara and Kisame could take him down.

[@The__Deadman]

Nah he's underrated and rn you're underrating him lol. That was half dead Oro with his arm sealed vs Sasuke and EVEN THEN he could kill him if his plan wasn't to take over his body. When he paralyzed him with his poison he could easily bite his head off. Sasuke himself said that he could only do that cause Oro was literally dying. Kisame and Deidara aren't doing shit to Oro. Kisame vs Oro would be a good fight tho

[@magnol1a_]

@@The__Deadman Facts

[@keezyworldtv852]

I think the only one that can kill him is obito and pain , but he has epic durability and survivability .

[@emmanueluchiha162]

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[@bw5020]

I think Kakuzu would give him serious pressure. Dude survived fighting the first hokage and got hacked AFTERWARDS. Dude is no red shirt. Hidan's verdict was accurate. Deidara would lose. Itachi would definitely win. Kisame would give him big issues Zetsu is adorable Konan loses Sasori seems like it's a coin flip...ish. A draw favoring Orochimaru Obito without the rinnigan would give pressure as he seems to scale with war arc Kakashi

[@Noblesavage31]

Do a might guy vs akatsuki

[@shawnswan1894]

Doesn't orochimaru have Kabuto and a few headquarters worth of sound ninja and scientists by his side too

[@austinherzog8465]

Deidara definitely beats Orochimaru. C3 and C4 easy win condition, his range game is gonna be tough for Orochimaru to land a kill shot as well

[@Sweetlesishere]

7:23 he could C4 clone feint

[@averageguy1469]

Next we should ask if Shin Uchiha can take out the Sanin.

[@abdifatahaden4761]

I honestly think Orochimaru would defeat pain most of the time. The only character in series who has durability like the six paths is Orochimaru. Orochimaru also knows about the rinnegan.

[@ayhamahmad2277]

He we'll come prepared and he will summon a lot of edo tensi so how is pain going to deal with all of that and the only ones that can break are madara and hashirama

[@PlanetDiablo16967]

Wait how would Orochimaru have access to the 2 kage he summoned? They were both sealed away in the fight with Hiruzen and he was only able to get them back during war.

[@brantmorse1900]

Orochimaru beat them all? He’s still alive..

[@retrogamermax8287]

I think Orochimaru would be able to take down any of the original Akatsuki members aside from Obito, Pain/Nagato and Itachi. People can say what they want, but Orochimaru is still OP even if he lost to Itachi because of the Mangekyou Sharingan.

[@mikeymcdaniel9465]

C4 wouldn't kill him maybe it could beat him but any where there's a curse mark he be back

[@averageguy1469]

Why are you guys talking about one Akatsuki at a time these guys usually attack in pairs?

[@Lorenzoh_Victor]

why cant you bring up itachi with the edo tensei against itachi.you talk about how smart orochimaru is ,but get biased at any mention of itachi. i think if written well,orochimaru would have summoned fugaku as part of the edo tensei, to give a mental nerf to itachi and then fight from long distance.

[@divasrus5774]

Edo tensei wasn't a nerf for Hiruzen like it wasn't for Itachi. Chakra and age were an issue for Hiruzen when he fought oro. Edo helped him with that. Also bringing up Hashirama war arc Edo in Orochimaru arsenal is an invalid point because he can't control him. Hashirama only helped in the war arc because it was the leaf.

[@tmd-w1552]

That was only because Orochimarus did not place the sealing tags so he had to rely on his Chakra to suppress all the Hokage with Hashirama being the only one who could break out of it with ease. But yeah I've seen this misconception a lot its simply because he didn't use sealing tags in the war arc like he did literally any other time throughout Naruto it is also how Kabuto managed to control so many legendary Shinobi despite some of them lowkey being relative to his power.

[@Radical_racist]

Orochimaru would win cuz he can bring the dead back to life

[@Timquan.]

The Orochimaru Wank is crazy. His pt1 edo tensei were not that powerful. His use of edo Tensei 3rd Kazekage is filler and it does not feature poison, that is Sasori's addition. Orochimaru would lose to Deidara due to the C4/0 because he has no Sharingan or Byakugan. Orochimarus peak strength was seen in pt 1 where he lost to Sarutobi, and NEEDED HELP FROM KIMMIMARU IN DEFEATING RAZA! The 4th Kazekage. Sasori has 100 puppets some with sharingan byakugan and other kekkei genkeis, can control people themselves via Chakra strings, has the third Kazekage and his iron sand stronger than both Raza and Garra's sand, as well as his own body and the ability to switch his core to different puppet bodies that may be copies of his main puppet body. He has more than poison to tear orochimaru apart. The fact that yall said He couldn't even beat needed Orichimaru is ridiculous. Orochimaru literally planned to ambush Sasori with Kabuto while still being within running distance to Sasuke, who was waiting at the hideout. That hints that Orochimaru didn't believe he could take Sasori then. If we compare them at full power the Edo tensei could get controlled via Chakra strings or sealed via iron sand. This is n interesting topic but too many bad and not well thought out takes.

[@kyleblevins6349]

1k baby 👶

[@juantavares4867]

witch version of orochimaru? shippuden or classic?

[@doublehelix2167]

I just don't think orochimaru could beat jiraiya. Generally speaking his hax put him above jiraiya but in a fight between the two he can dodge orochimaru's blade which is really the only means of doing physical damage to jiraiya in sage mode that orochimaru has and he can 1v1 orochimaru while his frogs do their song. Orochimaru wouldn't know of the jutsu since it's a toad special and he's definitely not gonna be able to break out of the genjutsu once he's caught. He's really got a low win rate against jiraiya as he's got no way to keep him away long enough to win. His snakes won't work, his walls won't work, his summons won't work. A single kick from sage jiraiya would break him. He'd have to Regen constantly the entire fight while trying to figure out how to hurt this mfkr.

[@jimmytaylor4102]

All of them the dude was backed to be hokage by the Uchiha over Minato he killed 3 diff hokages

[@mikeymcdaniel9465]

The sand caught there own biju while harashima gave everyone else theres

[@tmd-w1552]

That's not really much of an accomplishment when u consider its the 1 tails arguably one of the weakest tailed beast. And let's not forget characters such the 3rd Raikage CONSISTENTLY fought the 8 tails to a stale mate when it went on a rampage by himself. This being the 8 tails the second strongest