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@Kon_san3
@Kon_san3 3 сағат бұрын
Why Makima Would Beat Satoru Gojo in Most Scenarios 1. Versatility and Range of Makima's Abilities -Ranged Telekinesis (or mental attacks, whatever you want to call it): Makima has demonstrated the ability to use powerful telekinesis without the need for physical contact or proximity. Against the Dark Demon (ch: 66), and against a yakuza man (ch: 33). Since Gojo's Infinity is a spatial barrier that prevents physical attacks, but not necessarily mental ones, Makima could attack Gojo without needing to get close, nullifying his main defense. -Use Cosmo: Makima has the ability to use the "bring people back from the dead" abilities to utilize their contracts or powers (ch: 76). This includes Cosmo, which has the ability to overload the opponent's mind with infinite knowledge of the universe (ch: 70). Since Gojo's Infinity does not protect against mental attacks, Makima could use Cosmic Consciousness to force Gojo into a mental breakdown. Extra: Chapter 83 and Chapter 90 also show Demons who were theoretically also killed but Makima "brought back to life" in quotes 2. Rituals and Manipulation Abilities -Crushing Ritual: If Makima knows Satoru Gojo's full name, she can perform a ritual to crush him from afar, as she has done with other victims. This ritual does not require proximity, meaning that Gojo's Infinity would not be able to protect him. Makima's ability to perform these rituals quickly and accurately puts her at an advantage, especially if Gojo has no prior knowledge of her capabilities. Extra: Since Gojo is so showy and carefree, it would not be difficult for Makima to find out his full name with a simple question. Furthermore, Gojo would not know anything about the crushing ritual, which would make things even easier for her. -Mind Control and Orders: Makima has the ability to give orders that her enemies are forced to follow. If she considers Gojo just an ordinary human at the beginning of the battle, she can order him to kill himself immediately. If Gojo does not realize the gravity of the situation quickly, he can be defeated before he even understands what is happening. This ability is particularly effective due to the Machiavellian, calculating nature of someone who sees normal people as dogs. Extra: This scenario would only be viable at the beginning of the fight, before Gojo shows any power, or if Makima manages to subdue Gojo in some way. 3.Contract with the Prime Minister of Japan -Partial Immortality: Makima has a contract with the Prime Minister of Japan that makes her extremely difficult to kill. Every time Makima suffers fatal damage, that damage is transferred to a random Japanese citizen. This means that even if Gojo manages to land a killing blow, Makima can keep coming back, making her nearly immortal in a prolonged fight. Gojo's only chance would be to completely disintegrate her, but that would require a very specific and devastating attack (Gojo is a Japanese citizen so he would be affected by the contract). 4. Difference in Attitude and Behavior in Combat. -Gojo is Playful and Underestimates Opponents: Satoru Gojo is known for his carefree attitude and often does not take his fights seriously from the start. He tends to toy around and test his opponents before using his full power. This attitude can be fatal against an opponent like Makima, who would not hesitate to exploit any weakness. -Makima is Calculating and Ruthless: In contrast, Makima is extremely meticulous and strategic. She assesses situations quickly and eliminates threats decisively and effectively. Makima would not toy with Gojo; she would act lethally from the start, without giving him time to assess or react properly. 5. Gojo's Only Chance and Its Limitation - Domain Expansion and Purple Technique: Gojo's only real chance of defeating Makima would be to use his Domain Expansion to overload her senses and then use the Purple Technique to disintegrate her at the atomic level. However, this would require Gojo to act quickly and with absolute precision, which may be unlikely given his carefree demeanor in fights. Furthermore, the uncertainty about Makima's ability to return even after a complete disintegration further complicates the situation as it was never explained or stated whether she would be able to do so or not. 6. Gojo's playful and carefree nature Gojo is very intelligent, but it is undeniable that his carefree and playful nature would get in the way, as has happened on several occasions, such as: •First encounter with Toji, where he was defeated, because he did not follow Geto's recommendation, which was to rest; •Battle against Jogo, where he let him escape, because he kept playing with him and, in addition, brought Yuji to the battlefield; •He let Kenjaku take possession of Geto's body, not doing what should be done according to the rules of Jujutsu with Geto's body when he died; •He let Itadori live, against the rules; •He did not prepare for the battle against Sukuna; •He was sealed in Shibuya; •He worried about Megumi during the battle against Sukuna, even when the priority should have been to kill the King; •Gojo did not study Mahoraga in depth in the Zen'in clan records; •Gojo did not create a clear tactic to kill the King of Curses; •Gojo did not kill Geto Na at the first opportunity when he became a criminal in chapter 78. All of these things happened because Gojo was playful, overconfident, carefree and a little stupid. This is very important to add in a Makima vs Gojo battle, because then we could know whether or not Gojo would notice the danger of fighting Makima. 7. Would Makima be able to come back to life even after being disintegrated at the atomic level? So far, we do not have a definitive answer, because this was never shown or discussed in the work. What we can do is assume what would be the most acceptable probability. For me, the fairest alternative would be to state that Makima would not be able to come back. So far, neither the Chainsaw Demon (in chapter 88, he had to rip out his heart to regenerate his body when he was thrown into space) nor the Primordial Demons have demonstrated the ability to regenerate from this type of disintegration throughout the series. On the other hand, some argue that Makima could return, since her contract does not specify that a body part is needed for regeneration (although I believe that this would not happen). Still, this issue may change if the Chainsaw Man series shows or explains that it is possible to regenerate from nothing. *Conclusion* Makima wins most scenarios against Gojo because she has a wide range of mental abilities and rituals that can be used from a distance, nullifying Gojo's main defense, Infinity. Her partial immortality and relentless approach to combat also give her a significant advantage, while Gojo only has one specific and risky chance of defeating her. Makima's calculating and lethal nature, combined with Gojo's tendency to underestimate his opponents, reinforces the idea that Makima would have the upper hand in a fight between the two. warning: the text was translated using Google Translate so it may contain spelling mistakes or seem artificial
@cleophas_69
@cleophas_69 Күн бұрын
Gojo just has no way to put her down for good, so she outlasts
@Marina-lm8ye
@Marina-lm8ye 3 күн бұрын
Love it
@IJJ5914
@IJJ5914 3 күн бұрын
0:43 that would never happen
@catchdog
@catchdog 3 күн бұрын
Why not?
@Magnificent-S
@Magnificent-S 3 күн бұрын
Realistically makima has access to all the devils under public safety so realistically if there was a speed difference, it wouldn’t matter as she could see the future, using the future devil and she should be able to one shot gojo using the mold devil who has the ability to cause anyone’s organs to instantly fill with a mold so realistically, she just uses that on his head and his brain turns into mush.
@thatguy779
@thatguy779 3 күн бұрын
I’m not personally convinced that ‘bang’ as used by Makima wouldn’t work on Gojo. When she uses it, there’s never shown any kind of physical projectile, and it’s even able to bypass the Darkness Devil’s invisible barrier that blocked Denji earlier(I want to specifically highlight that when Denji hits it, we see sparks indicative of his physical contact with the barrier, whereas Makima’s bang/point just seems to instantly internally damage it). There *IS* some question on that one as she doesn’t say bang in that scene so it could be a different power of hers, but I haven’t seen any evidence for that so Imo it’s most likely the same ability. And even if we say ‘bang’ is different from that pointing ability, she still *has* it. Not only that, but it behaves similarly to her nebulous ability to cause people to bleed from the nose and likely die but at least become instantly incapacitated. This ability seems to be different from her ‘say this guy’s name & hand crush’ thing & we possibly see it again later when three gunmen ambushing Aki fall the same way, it being directly implied to be Makima’s doing. It very well could’ve been the same as the shrine but we don’t actually see any evidence of the preparations or sacrifices present for that in that scene.
@revenantronin8377
@revenantronin8377 3 күн бұрын
16:59 this statement is 100% false. Gojo is stronger in terms of raw power. But regardless, the statement is not referring to planet destruction but societal collapse, the kind that Viltrumites cause when they conquer a planet, people lose their human rights, the economy goes to sh*t and chaos ensues. He threatens to destroy the societal construct or society "as we know it", not the "planet" as we know it. How else would we know the planet? the "as we know it" is indicative of society, not planet.
@JohnnyClark-g5w
@JohnnyClark-g5w 3 күн бұрын
Yap yap yap
@Tom-jg9de
@Tom-jg9de 3 күн бұрын
I wana ask abot makima contract Could Gojo try to feal some love then kill her? Do you nead to show his love or just say "eh lets say i love her"
@daltoniospizza9175
@daltoniospizza9175 3 күн бұрын
He answered that in the vid, Gojo likely couldn't do that because it'd take too much mental prep, and also wouldn't be as ingenious as denji to know eating her would bypass the contract.
@Tom-jg9de
@Tom-jg9de 3 күн бұрын
@daltoniospizza9175 oh ok
@Kongongongg
@Kongongongg 4 күн бұрын
Makima can win against Gojo without use any physical attacks or ability. She only need to order Gojo to obey her. Her control works on beings that SHE believes are inferior to her. Humans falls under that category. In the beginning of JJK Nature Curse used flowers to put Gojo’s mind in delusion and it’s worked for couple of seconds. I don’t see how Makima’s control ability can be countered with RCT if Gojo would be in her full control immediately.
@seanbaby1060
@seanbaby1060 3 күн бұрын
I think Makima would win but I don’t think she’d view Gojo as inferior. His birth literally shifted the balance of the world I forget the exact quote but that’s a paraphrase. She would be able to tell he’s powerful before the fight even starts
@Kongongongg
@Kongongongg 3 күн бұрын
@ well there is the catch: Makima viewed Pochita superior to her just because of his erase ability, not because he is super strong and powerful. Be powerful and famous isn’t enough. And Gojo is still a human.
@NoIdeas529
@NoIdeas529 2 күн бұрын
Here is the fact, Gojo litterly shook the entire world when he was born thanks to the six eyes (metaphorically). Saying that Makima would think of herself superior to gojo simply isn't a thing.
@Kongongongg
@Kongongongg 2 күн бұрын
@ he is a just a human. And he doesn’t have erase ability of Chainsaw Man. Why should Makima consider him superior to her?
@Арлан-ы6ч
@Арлан-ы6ч 4 күн бұрын
Reinhardt vs Rigulus type fight
@bubbajoe117
@bubbajoe117 4 күн бұрын
People regularly underestimate the power-scaling in Chainsaw-Man's universe I think because power isn't conveyed as traditionally, with linear named attacks and destruction feats, and there's no better example of how people misunderstand CSM devil powers than Makima's protection contract with the prime minister, most people treat it like it's some generic regeneration/healing factor boosted to some absurd degree and simply calculate it from there, but that's not how it functions at all, Makima doesn't "heal" the damage because reality is being actively rewritten by the contract in real time so the damage was never there to "heal" to begin with, that damage was taken and then applied to a random unfortunate japanese citizen. With this in mind, Makima wasn't even lying when she blankly stated "It's not my blood, I wasn't shot." after the train incident, and once moreover one fact that literally NOBODY brings up, is that Makima's contract only goes into effect after an interval of twelve seconds, you can reference Kishibe's surprise attack on her towards the end of part 1 for that, which means if all damage that's applied to her only gets transferred to a single japanese citizen every twelve seconds, there would be no reality in which Japan was inadvertently rendered extinct through Makima's contract alone as thousands of new Japanese children are born in that time frame. So yeah, that good ole hollow purple DB Gojo hit her with is definitely gonna suck for the poor bastard that it's going to be flicked off on, but that's not going to be nowhere near enough to put Makima down for good, she doesn't need any cells or bodyparts to regenerate from when reality itself is being rewritten to say she was never hit by it at all, and while I appreciate the attempt to pull from an in show reference (in this case equatting cosmo's halloween to Gojo's infinite void) seriously keep that trend up even if you don't always land... But maybe make sure the person you're comparing feats too isn't someone Makima casually walks up to and decapitates with no fear or regard for herself in the slightest... My suggested alternative? Sealing techniques, preferably of the sort that would place her in a state of complete solitary confinement cut off from anything that she could influence or that would try to kill her, Kishibe was on the right track trying to use the hell devil to send her back home, but even assuming she couldn't get back that would have led to a lot of unintended death as Japanese citizens were randomly torn apart and who knows what else in Makima's place as the devils she'd angered (primal fears included) came to collect their due. Again though that's just under the assumption Makima DOESN'T have some transportation devil she could loophole herself out of there with.
@OmniDan26
@OmniDan26 4 күн бұрын
Both of them are Klein Moretti victims anyways.
@birdmanharvey4868
@birdmanharvey4868 4 күн бұрын
The only reason gojo almost gased was because he killed over 1000 curses in like 1 mins while trying not to kill any of the humans with his curse technique. No one in chainsaw man can make him tired, makima would have to summon every devil she has and try to kill people innocent people at the same time to make gojo catch his breath. And even still gojo might say F it and let some die to kill makima's devils. Now it's one on one again. Makima can't hurt gojo so why would she think of him as inferior. When he can murder anything she brings out, but chainsaw man cause he would just come back from hell.
@Kongongongg
@Kongongongg 4 күн бұрын
Makima believes in superiority of Chainsaw Man because of his erase ability not because his powers.
@mitu5071
@mitu5071 4 күн бұрын
Talks about how no one reads JJK. Proceeds to show that he doesn't read JJK... But seriously though, half the you said about both series are just plain wrong.
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
In what ways? What did I miss?
@slimshazy2819
@slimshazy2819 4 күн бұрын
Sukuna isn't stronger than Gojo. We blatantly saw that Gojo was on the verge of killing Meguna, who very OBVIOUSLY has a greater power set than Heian Era Sukuna. And that Gojo excels in H2H combat, with the only one at his skill being Kenjaku as stated by Gege. Sukuna only killed Gojo by literally using a Technique adapted PERFECTLY to killing him and making a binding vow to counter his Six Eyes to ensure he couldn't see it lol. Also, in NO WAY shape or form does ANYBODY "scale above" Yuki's black hole lmao that's just utter nonsense.
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
That's why Yukis black hole is a "highball" I agree 100% Gojo is far better at hand to hand than Sukuna, but in terms of CT and DE I have Sukuna as much stronger than Gojo.
@jackaboynaylor9273
@jackaboynaylor9273 4 күн бұрын
The two things that mattered only mattered in the latter end of the second half of the fight. Mahoraga is clearly weaker than Gojo and Sukuna as he gets his ass pushed down to the floor and blitzed with Agito being so weak, Gojo no sells her punch to the back of his head. Heian era Sukuna would fair much better than Meguna for have more arma to fight with that scale to himself who is above both Maho and Agito, along with the ability to amp himself through hand signs and chants. He would also use the fire arrow since he isn't trying to adapt since he doesn't have Mahoraga, his arrow is way way stronger than his slashes for one shotting Maho while his slashes couldn't. Gojo needed maximum healing to keep up with his domain, so addin' in an arrow that he can use whenever in a 1v1 that is even more potent results in Gojo's healing simply being overwhelmed and him dying.
@bennogb5069
@bennogb5069 4 күн бұрын
25:10 It wouldnt even be impressive to her, even if you take that wank argument. As we've seen her already transcend DEvils who can do this exact thing, as the Eternity/Infintiy Devil literally represents Infinity. And it created an physically Infinite realm with tis own space-time, as the Hotel goes on forever. And if you also argue Devils base power and size are equivalent to their concept when they dont have any fear amps, then this is just unfair. As we know the Chicken Devil is literally at chicken strength and size due to not being feared. And this apllies to every Devil we've seen in the series that isnt a Fiend. So transcending a mathmaitcally Infinite Devil is just crazy. And also makes sense as Primal fears at full power are portrayed at incomprehensible and eldritch beings.
@bennogb5069
@bennogb5069 4 күн бұрын
14:10 her Chains are intangible, so they would pass trough Infinity. We know this, because Six eyes is stated to detect an attack based on its mass, velcoity and shape. If it has no mass it will just pass trough. We literally saw this when Gojo used an omni-directinal HP, wich damaged him trough Infintiy aswell as it doesnt have any mass as an attack.
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
When are they shown to be intangible?
@bennogb5069
@bennogb5069 4 күн бұрын
@catchdog when Nayuta, who is an inexpierenced Control Devil shot it trough a wall with no physical interaction. We see it constantly pass trough clothing and bodies when Makima controls the Public Safety Agents. And we know spiritual things exist in CSM, as the Ghost Devil is stated as intangible by Makima herself when explaining that Angels Weapons can damage such things.
@jackaboynaylor9273
@jackaboynaylor9273 4 күн бұрын
@bennogb5069 Why does intangibility bypass Infinity? The object still exist in space for having the dimensions of a chain.
@leixalkvinay2729
@leixalkvinay2729 4 күн бұрын
​@@jackaboynaylor9273The chains may *exist* as in you can see them, but they don't have mass and aren't tangible, ergo the Six Eyes shouldn't be able to stop them.
@jackaboynaylor9273
@jackaboynaylor9273 4 күн бұрын
@leixalkvinay2729 Where was it said they don't have mass? And I ask again, why does being intangible stop infinity from working?
@deez4251
@deez4251 4 күн бұрын
I might be wrong since i haven't read chainsaw man but wouldn't Makima die from drowning since there is no intent from the water to do harm? So if Gojo could force Makima underwater and keep her there wouldn't that be an easy enough win con?
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
😅😅😅 I'm not sure that'd work
@jackaboynaylor9273
@jackaboynaylor9273 4 күн бұрын
Drowning would indeed kill her because there is no intent, BEING DROWNED by SOMEONE clearly has malicious intent, lol.
@daltoniospizza9175
@daltoniospizza9175 3 күн бұрын
that's a reach
@kata4300
@kata4300 3 күн бұрын
if he somehow put together a Willy Coyote trap to make Makima fall into water and drown completely unaware of his being behind the scheme I guess, but that's pretty impossible for a number of reasons
@daltoniospizza9175
@daltoniospizza9175 4 күн бұрын
Makima wins because Gojo would never kill all of Japan just to kill her. Plus, he doesn't love her, so he couldn't eat her to get around her Prime Minister contract.
@Kongongongg
@Kongongongg 4 күн бұрын
To be fair the whole eating thing was pure nonsense and bad writing anyway and should not be part of discussion
@stelle_81
@stelle_81 3 күн бұрын
we can run ts, imma use itadori vs comp csm lmao
@daltoniospizza9175
@daltoniospizza9175 3 күн бұрын
@Kongongongg you're a little slow if you think that genuinely
@daltoniospizza9175
@daltoniospizza9175 3 күн бұрын
@@stelle_81 what are you even talking about when did yuji even enter the debate
@YeshuaIsHim
@YeshuaIsHim 3 күн бұрын
😭😭😭😭, we can debate this
@Pite7419
@Pite7419 4 күн бұрын
Don't even need to watch the video to know that Gojo wins
@colossus9186
@colossus9186 4 күн бұрын
💀💀💀 who’s gonna tell him?
@Pite7419
@Pite7419 4 күн бұрын
@colossus9186 ... Don't say that......... I gotta watch chainsaw man right now
@Pite7419
@Pite7419 4 күн бұрын
@@colossus9186 gojo already lost to megumi-sukuna, give bro some rest 😭🙏
@colossus9186
@colossus9186 4 күн бұрын
@@Pite7419😭😭😭 you won’t regret it. Chainsaw Man is Gas. Come to the other side brotha 🗣️
@colossus9186
@colossus9186 4 күн бұрын
@@Pite7419😭.
@bennogb5069
@bennogb5069 4 күн бұрын
16:00 This EM wave feat is EASILY debunkable, as Sukuna is shown in the exact panel before to react to KAshimo charging the attack. This immediatly just makes it an aim/pre-dodge feat, wich means he never scaled to the speed of the projectile while its moving mid-air. We never saw him dodge the projectile while it was mid-air, so its a completely unapplicable feat when Gege intentionally put the reaction panel right before to contextualize the feat.
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
It's extremely weird that they went from Mach 3 to light speed
@slimshazy2819
@slimshazy2819 4 күн бұрын
​@@catchdogIts fiction. Writers aren't power scalers, which only adheres to logic & physics.
@jackaboynaylor9273
@jackaboynaylor9273 4 күн бұрын
@slimshazy2819 writers can be power scalers and battle Mangala are DEFINITELY power scalers, lol.
@framdeo1800
@framdeo1800 4 күн бұрын
That statement is so dumb. Maki at the start did a mach 19 level feat. But she is now hyping mach 3 💀💀​@@catchdog
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
@framdeo1800 yep I go over how weird that is in a few videos
@SpiderWithaGun-spiderJit
@SpiderWithaGun-spiderJit 4 күн бұрын
FINALLY someone brings up the cosmo devil in this match up
@TylerTyyang
@TylerTyyang 4 күн бұрын
I think one thing people forget about (or don’t even realize) is that in the attack makima made on the gun devil, she did not only use punishment devil. In the panel you can see the snake devil's jaws, weapons that were made with angel's powers, arms inside the snake devil's jaws (which definitely have to belong to the punishment devil), and since we already saw all of makima's major devil contracts being collected around her before the fight, future and spider devils' powers are probably used to teleport the attack and use foresight in the attack.
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
Daam, you cooked
@daltoniospizza9175
@daltoniospizza9175 3 күн бұрын
@TylerTyyang To put it in JJK terms, she can overlap her contracts for higher damage like geto does with curse spirit manipulation.
@Magnificent-S
@Magnificent-S 3 күн бұрын
@@catchdog realistically couldn’t she lure gojo into the eternity devil and just trap him there and wait like a week for him to die of starvation she can formulate a plan using the 6 hybrids who should be fast enough to avoid some of Gojo attacks and can regenerate so they would be really good distractions while she sets up contact to to go to hell to retrieve the eternity to the devil
@Magnificent-S
@Magnificent-S 3 күн бұрын
@@catchdog she should also have access to the mold devil and based off, it’s only appearance. The user has to draw some blood point at the target and the targets organs instantly fill with mold so realistically couldn’t she just use that on his head eliminating all RCT and oneshoting him?
@Nefata
@Nefata 4 күн бұрын
Fuck the powerscaling who has the worst simps?
@bennogb5069
@bennogb5069 4 күн бұрын
The low-ball for CSM is that Pochita ate the nuclear weapons devil, wich is stated by Yoru to be plural, meaning the nuclear weapons Devil should consist atleast of multiple or inummerable nukes like the Gun Devil. The Gun Devil for reference is millions of times the size of a gun and being made of them, due to its level of fear, meaning the same could apply for the Nuke Devil. The Devil should represent the fear of people, sp things like the Tsar Bomba should also be included, wich with its full yield scales to mountain level and ther should be numerous warheads. And Pochita scales to the Primal fears, wich transcend Devils like it anyways. This is mountain to island level due to how many warheads and what kind they porbably are, like the Tsar Bomba. Yoru even confirms this by saying "nuclear wepaons" plural in ch 98. Primal fears like the Falling Devil simply with their presence are stated to disrupt the gravational influx around the earth. Overpowering the gravity exerted on earth like that would mean she wouldve needed to exert more energy than the moon exerts on earth, wich is 1.98x10*20 Joules. Thats moon level and yet this is a weakend form of the Falling Devil after being turned intoa pawn by Fami. This nerf is so great that the literal guillotine Devil cant cut humans or their heads, only cutting up their weapons/clothes with its power. Meaning this is a massive nerf to the point the Devil barely can even exert the power of the cocnept they draw power from. The mid-ball for CSM is that with how Devils mechanics and their fear amps work, is that when a devil has no fear they are as weak as the concept they represent, like with the Chicken Devil itself saying its as weak as a chicken. Devils grow in size and power with fear and consuming the flesh of stronger devils. That also includes the includes the sun/star Devil that Pochita ate, wich resulted in the sky being devoid of stars and that in the calender in ch 71, there is no sunday in it. Meaning it was a star devil that was erased. The base form of devils is as their concept themselves, as seen with every devil like with the Chicken Devil being stated as chicken level. Fear amps allow Devils to grow massive, wich also should include the Star Devil as its mentioned in the same vain as Devils logically equal or above it in fear. The Gun DEvil even with 20% of its body is millions of times the mass of a normal gun. As the Gun Devil completely dwarfs trees that should be 10-20 meters tall when it stood still to shoot Makima. With pure size then Pochita would also have to far surpass FTL to even fight it, or the simple fact Primal Devils transcend even what the star Devil being named as representing "a star and its light that breaks childrens minds". With the sun/star being talked about easily being the size of the sun itself, since its been conceptually erased and Makima says she only still knows of a few Concepts and their exact names slowly fading from her mind. Pochita reacted and moved faster than a light like attack, in the form of the 1000 years spear. The Gun Devils attack was able to hit Makima from 500km away in one seconds, making that a mach 1469+ feat at only 20%, making its actual speed then being mach 7295. Wich is far above the speed mid-balls for JJK, with this Gun Devil being a low-ball cuz its literally stated. The Gun Devil is shown with order of travel and time frames given in the manga to travel from Hawaii to Canada in 0.4 seconds, wich is a 5000km+ distance. Depending on where it lands that would make it mach 30000-80000, wich is a upto nearly a tenth of the speed of light. And thats only travel speed and doesnt include combat speed wich is way higher as showcased with other feats should scale way higher. Pochita also intercepted Makimas 1000 year spear from inches away from Kobeni, wich is portrayed as a beam of light from a star. Makes sense, as Pochita would atleast have to fTl to fTL+ to be able feasibly decimate the sun/star Devil, that Pochita and Primal DEvils should transcend. Gun Devil and Tank Devil arrived to Yoru in like less than a second and Mount Elbrus is loacted about 8000km from Tokyo and Gulf of Mexico about 11.500km. Its actually a low-ball to say about a second, as Pochita is just that fast that it would easily happen in fractions of a second or less. That would mean they traveled at mach 33500 and this is considering the fact that the Gun Devil is only at 20% so its true speed is mach 167500, wich is 19% the speed of light. And putting Pochitas slash at Yoru to an entire second is massive low-ball for the feat, as thats like assuming Pochita is attacking with a slower speed than a normal dude and his saw was inches from her face. And due to fact not even a normal person takes 1 second to move their slash at someones face, it easily scales into FTL speeds or higher as Pochita realistically noly takes fractiosn and fractions of a second. The Aging Devila also preception blitzed or literally froze time at a logically stronger and faster attack from the Gun Godess and Pochita has statements putting him on par with it, when he isnt off-guard. Pochita traveled from Hell to the human realm door in the space of a short conversation, wich in recent chapters is shown that each door holds its own realms/space, with the human world door leading to a universe-sized realms. Wich means these realms can be upto human realm sized and there are innumerable doors so going trough each to reach just one door. The Darkness Devil and other Primal Devils were also able to travel from one corner of another realm to the humans in Hell in a short time, but wasnt able dodge or blitz Makima. This is confirmed by the line by Pingtsi, who has an information gathering ability that the Devils watching them are watching them from remote places in Hell. Also another interpretation of high-balls for the verses, wich also doesnt inlcude the fact the Eternity/Infinity Devil created an infinite realm with its own space-time. It embodies the concept of Eternity and Infinity, as is shown by its true form and infinite 3D being equal to 4D. And the 4th dimension is time, when Eternity is infinite time itself Primal Devils are stated as transcendant to normal Devils, by a character with an information gathering ability. Transcendance quite literally means to be of a higher spatial dimension/higher plane of existence. As normal devils already exist that can be considered 4D by their very nature and their feats that would make Primal Devils 4D-5D. Hell itself can also be scaled higher as just the human realm door contatins a universe-sized realm and there are innumerable doors and Primal devils being stated transcendant in there as a multiversal/5D structure would make them 6D.
@colossus9186
@colossus9186 4 күн бұрын
HOLY SHITTTT 😭. W’s in the fucking chat. Thanks for this bro. Big Chainsaw Man dubs 🤝.
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
Bro should make CSM video 💪
@sensunuki
@sensunuki 4 күн бұрын
um the nuke devil or wtv would embodiy humanity's fear of nuclear war and isnt necessarily tied to the physical attributes of numerous nukes. 4 example The Gun Devil's size and power come from fear , not its composition from millions of guns. For the falling devil feat, Disrupting gravity locally doesn't equate to overpowering Earth's entire gravitational system. the "Star Devil" being tied to celestial phenomena is head canon, and we see stars in the sky in chainsaw man for the speed calc Pochita intercepting it at close range is approaching sol not FTL and the Star Devil's size and speed remain unquantified and its headcanon that its attacks are sol. for high ball, the manga doesn't confirm that each door leads to a universe-sized realm transcendent nature of Primal Devils is thematic and not taken literally of indicative of higher-dimensional existence as no chainsaw man character takes characteristics of higher dimensionality (invulnerability, invisibility, teleportation, etc) The Eternity Devil traps characters in a looping space-time construct it doesn't necessarily mean it exists as a 4D being in a higher spatial dimension. Its abilities are manipulating a Pocket Reality if it manipulated the real world and not the pocket realm maybe its 4d but thats generous. for gun devil speed combat speed doesn't exuate travel speed or vice versa.
@GOJOSENSEIAKAGLAZINGKING
@GOJOSENSEIAKAGLAZINGKING 4 күн бұрын
Although i think that Makima can still(probably)resist UV,Infinite Void doesn't work in the way you seem to claim.
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
How so?
@kanyesgambit
@kanyesgambit 4 күн бұрын
@@catchdog.01 seconds causes sukuna severe brain damage, sukuna scales way above makima
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
@@kanyesgambit sukuna doesn't have the same resistance to damage
@kanyesgambit
@kanyesgambit 4 күн бұрын
@@catchdog still infinite void doesn’t usually get used in the way which the .2 second domain expansion was used, and seen with sukuna, the target is instantly hit with an infinite amount of information, .01 seconds severely damaging sukuna
@ScrollerGNL
@ScrollerGNL 4 күн бұрын
This was genuinely, very well made. And it was insanely accurate, however there's a slight problem w/ the argument of Go/Jo having inaccessible speed. - It's not a definite statement and the statement could as well just mean that the prisoner’s perception of time within the realm is distorted. Geto’s statement implies that prisoners can kill themselves within the realm which wouldn’t be possible if time were stopped unless if Every prisoner automatically scales to inaccessible speed. And; Gojo’s statement means that time actually doesn’t pass and it’s not just his perception as a prisoner. Gojo’s own feats in combat prove otherwise. He had to resort to using a domain expansion around where the humans were so he could kill the transfigured humans. Someone with inaccessible speed wouldn’t even need a cursed technique and would just have blitzed the transfigured humans or blitz Mahito, Hanami and Jogo before they could even start killing people around. Besides that, I agree with everything else as well as the outcome. Finally someone not glazing Go/Jo for once. Oh and by the way, a possible video idea could be Akame from Akame Ga Kill vs Obito from Naruto.
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
Thanks man! Really appreciate it 💪
@seanbaby1060
@seanbaby1060 3 күн бұрын
What would stop Akame from instantly getting sucked into kamui? I’m a fan of both manga’s but It’s not even close. Naruto just has higher levels of scaling. Obito’s speed is comparable to KCM2 Naruto who out speed the 4th Raikage in KCM1. He would speed blitz Akame before she could even get a cut on him to active the instant kill.
@Thegoldenringsyt
@Thegoldenringsyt 4 күн бұрын
I believe Makima wins. With prep time I think she would win easily, I mean, she can definitely find a devil that counters infinity or maybe use an ability she controls remotely, like what she did to crush the yakuza in the katana man arc, and she ONLY has to do that if bang doesn't already go through it. Not to mention, if she just happened to meet Gojo randomly she SHOULD be able to control him. In a purely physical fight, Gojo does win, but they scale similarly in speed and strength. Against the domain expansion, remember how Sukuna passed the damage from infinite void to Megumi's soul? Knowing Makima, she can do something similar and push the information in a way that limits the citizens affected. Hollow purple? It clearly doesn't erase atoms, but even if it does, the damage would be translated to japanese citizens. If you want to go down the "Oh bUt MAkIMa cAn't rEgEnerAte if thEre is nOne of her left" route, contracts tend to be loose in definition of how, but strict of what they do. If Makima takes damage in this fight, the damage will go to a Japanese citizen and Makima's body will be restored to hiw it was before the damage was taken. And don't argue that 1 purple can kill many citizens or even the whole population, because it dissipates after hitting its target. It would hit Makima, dissipate and then Makima's health would be restored.
@colossus9186
@colossus9186 4 күн бұрын
W comment 🙏. And good callback to Sukuna vs Gojo and how he transferred the damage to Megumi. I totally forgot about that argument 😂.
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
Purple definitely lost stocks in the last few chapters
@TheOvervoid2099
@TheOvervoid2099 4 күн бұрын
W Video W Explanations W Debunks You absolutely Cooked
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
W comment 💪
@amam-r2p
@amam-r2p 3 күн бұрын
@@catchdog can you make a video on aizen vs jjk verse
@catchdog
@catchdog 3 күн бұрын
@amam-r2p Seth did that video yesterday and I fully agree with his stance
@100-People
@100-People 5 күн бұрын
Makima has Power’s Head, and we know she has a form of necromancy, so what if she just uses Power’s Head to make blood swords spawn in him - she can empower devils greatly
@GOJOSENSEIAKAGLAZINGKING
@GOJOSENSEIAKAGLAZINGKING 4 күн бұрын
Oh...
@bennogb5069
@bennogb5069 4 күн бұрын
she has other Devils that can just merk Gojo. The mold Devil, Cosmos fiend, Power, Angel Devils weapons that are launched like light. And other Devils like Primal fears can easily do this and we know they can control space-time based off the showcasing of tthe Aging Devil stopping time. Wich means the Darkness Devil can prob do something like taht with tis barriers
@GOJOSENSEIAKAGLAZINGKING
@GOJOSENSEIAKAGLAZINGKING 4 күн бұрын
@bennogb5069 stopping the jjk fan before he comes and types the counter arguement Regarding the Statement of a Sorcerers body being like a domain,that logic would only apply to cursed technqiues and the mechanics in jjk's logic as innate domains are tied to that,it does not apply universally to every verse,therefore it's irrelevant.
@thyentity6295
@thyentity6295 4 күн бұрын
Wouldn't work, sorceress have there innate domains, which prevent anything from spawning into their body.
@victorkaranja1420
@victorkaranja1420 4 күн бұрын
​@bennogb5069 with angel devil it could even be argued depending on the limits of his hax he could just pull an asa during aquarium arc and bypass gojos hax
@100-People
@100-People 5 күн бұрын
Oh you’re back! Love your content dude.
@catchdog
@catchdog 4 күн бұрын
Glad to see you in the comments
@titantrainer592
@titantrainer592 5 күн бұрын
21:55 that’s because Gojo was intentionally trying to not kill his opponents and cursed spirits are highly resistant and was able to completely paralyze Sukuna with 0.01 seconds and nearly killed Sukuna