How Many Bookwurms Is Too Many? - Luis Scott-Vargas

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@danmcgoogleaccount6954
@danmcgoogleaccount6954 3 жыл бұрын
"How many bookwurms is too many?" (me watching him die with 7 lands in play and two bookwurms in hand in his first game) "... I guess two?"
@Lightmane
@Lightmane 3 жыл бұрын
When I saw the title I thought he was going to end up with 4-5 Bookwurms. Now 'that' would've been fun to watch.
@nhlfranchisemodeguy157
@nhlfranchisemodeguy157 3 жыл бұрын
yeah title made this draft a bit of a bummer for me. at least get three.
@horschtguenter
@horschtguenter 3 жыл бұрын
Missed opportunity to name the video 'Buried in bookworms'
@danmcgoogleaccount6954
@danmcgoogleaccount6954 3 жыл бұрын
I've found scurrid to be the best common two drop for quandrix... Seems like scurrid and drake are the best ways to not get dumpstered by silverquill.
@blade2718
@blade2718 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes, you gather the magic. Sometimes, the magic gathers you.
@Nightwing690
@Nightwing690 3 жыл бұрын
In Soviet Russia
@LedPESRule
@LedPESRule 3 жыл бұрын
Good that you listened and included Scurrid Colony, you would have lost the first game immediately without it. I think you're underestimating it, it seems well positioned in the format, with Inkling Summoning being the perfect example.
@Svenburchard
@Svenburchard 3 жыл бұрын
scurrid has one of the highest common winrates. Like #15 or smth according to 17lands.
@jacksonletts3724
@jacksonletts3724 3 жыл бұрын
I also like scurrid colony. I n any set I tend to appreciate two drops that are playable early and late. In this set in particular, colony is even better since reach matters and quandrix really lacks two drops. I mean I’m not going to take it highly or anything, but I feel like it’s almost always making the cut.
@Svenburchard
@Svenburchard 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacksonletts3724 yeah excactly, basically when the set came out everyone thought it Was super slow, then one Day we woke up and silverquil completely flipped the script, kinda like White in kaldheim. Now it deles like you need a lot of early game to be able to battle the quills. Scurrid seems like it does everything. Also i agree with Your comment below that arcane substraction would be better, but im sure there id reason behind the Pick and you can more easily cast cram om turn Two to get sciences. But i love arcane in all decks that plays it. 👻
@ExKiwi-yw8er
@ExKiwi-yw8er 3 жыл бұрын
17 lands is really biased towards aggressive cards though. And that's not very dumb or cool
@Marsupyal
@Marsupyal 3 жыл бұрын
@@ExKiwi-yw8er any idea why that is? the bias. Isn't it supposed to be raw data?
@ExKiwi-yw8er
@ExKiwi-yw8er 3 жыл бұрын
@@Marsupyal because aggro decks win more lol. this format seems more balanced though. i think the issue is that these durdly, more fun decks tend to have a higher skill ceiling than smashy kill decks. but that's just MY bias, i find aggro dreadfully boring.
@rozza2058
@rozza2058 3 жыл бұрын
Would Natural Order have worked with Emergent Sequence for a T3 Bookwurm?
@Kettwiesel25
@Kettwiesel25 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@liamisafireplace
@liamisafireplace 3 жыл бұрын
he mentioned that in the video lol
@Kettwiesel25
@Kettwiesel25 3 жыл бұрын
@@liamisafireplace did he? When?
@DiviTon
@DiviTon 3 жыл бұрын
26:30 what's the reason for fighting the Owlin? Isn't it better to just get the combat professor for a variety of reasons? They both represent 3 power, but killing professor takes away their vigilance and more importantly nets you 3 life. That play seemed strange since the Owlin didn't have a block.
@ExKiwi-yw8er
@ExKiwi-yw8er 3 жыл бұрын
He talks about it later. He would have lost the 3 life anyway because opponent would have put the counter and quill on shieldmage, making him bury it.
@DiviTon
@DiviTon 3 жыл бұрын
Very possibly true, but if that's the case probably best to let your opponent make that mistake.
@emorkTLK
@emorkTLK 3 жыл бұрын
Seems in game 1 and 2 Scurrid Colony wanted to tell you something . I think t's quite important against flyer rush decks.
@StullOtopen
@StullOtopen 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, colony has risen in my i Opinion quite a bit as the format has progressed. Fliers is the worst enemy to quandrix by far.
@Spaccaspecchi
@Spaccaspecchi 3 жыл бұрын
This went exactly like my Strixhaven experience so far. Draft a busted lategame deck, get stomped by aggro. Draft a great aggressive deck, now all you're facing is Spined Karoks, Needlethorn Drakes, and Cram Sessions into Pest Summoning :D Still love the format, though.
@dimtsax
@dimtsax 3 жыл бұрын
@4:40 why not take the subtraction over the cram session? It seems better in almost every way
@cristianscrivati8171
@cristianscrivati8171 3 жыл бұрын
Maaan you're nice to listen at! True magic lover
@larss4119
@larss4119 3 жыл бұрын
Win or lose, I always go into a streamer’s room to say GG.
@Nick-128
@Nick-128 3 жыл бұрын
Not taking the natural order when you already have 2 bookwurms was a huge disappointment
@ChereraTaguato
@ChereraTaguato 3 жыл бұрын
you need to sac to activate it...he doesn't rly have any sac-worthy creatures
@Nick-128
@Nick-128 3 жыл бұрын
​@@ChereraTaguato When you're paying 4 mana for a bookwurm it doesn't matter what you sac. He had a good amount of 2 and 3 drops that were green creatures he could sac. He'd make the card back by drawing a card off the wurm. But that wasn't even what I was saying, it would have just been cool if he'd taken the natural order.
@jhozthron4415
@jhozthron4415 3 жыл бұрын
Question is, is natural order/book wurm even that great, i had the combo in one of my decks to get the bookwurm out early but got stomped regardless, lots of decks go wide obviously removal is quite common and flyers simply bypass it, for some reason it felt like a 7/7 ground creature just isnt that impressive.
@Nick-128
@Nick-128 3 жыл бұрын
@@jhozthron4415 you're spening 4 mana and two cards to get a 7/7 and another card. It's not always going to be amazing and win you every game, but it's going to be worth it.
@einstien311
@einstien311 3 жыл бұрын
What happened at 40:35? Where did all that damage come from?
@jacksonletts3724
@jacksonletts3724 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure it was a glitch caused by the opponent conceding as the damage was dealt. Very weird.
@lanerenner9410
@lanerenner9410 3 жыл бұрын
Conceding as damage is dealt causes it to display double damage for some reason
@RV1AND
@RV1AND 3 жыл бұрын
I've played a lot of UGx decks in this format, to me the more anti-flyer tools you have the better. Whether that's picking up blockers like Scurrid/Frost Trickster or saving your removal/combat tricks for them, you need to be able to beat the flyer decks. I've got Master Symmetrist as one of the best uncommons in the set, and I always love to pick up at least one Big Play. I'll even play a Cogwork Archivist for this purpose!
@theexaminer4906
@theexaminer4906 3 жыл бұрын
This has been my experience with quandrix too. You draft a deck that you think is broken and unbeatable, but then just die to janky beats and end up 3-3.
@chriswhite9229
@chriswhite9229 3 жыл бұрын
27:38 he had lifelink an survives no?
@Junglej0hn
@Junglej0hn 3 жыл бұрын
add 1 from poets quill + 1 from combat professor and he is dead
@chriswhite9229
@chriswhite9229 3 жыл бұрын
@@Junglej0hn ah gotcha thanks
@shadowcatX2000
@shadowcatX2000 3 жыл бұрын
Why is the number of cards in the deck private?
@farmerdragonball
@farmerdragonball 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome draft lsv. seemed like we just wanted to draw lands all the time. Maybe 18 was the way to go.
@7om72
@7om72 3 жыл бұрын
Thoughts on the threaten effects in this format? I played claim the firstborn to some success, including when my opponent played the Quandrix mythic and made a 24/24 and I killed them with it immediately 🤣
@kogetasarada6372
@kogetasarada6372 3 жыл бұрын
Unless you have sac effects not good. Also black red is not a supported colour combo
@harrisjm62
@harrisjm62 3 жыл бұрын
they are generally rated very low. But I think perhaps too low (not last pick). They have a place in some decks (aggressive lorehold) or in some match ups as you've seen.
@oftenbetterthanone
@oftenbetterthanone 3 жыл бұрын
How did you set your basic lands to default to the old border?
@ajfox84
@ajfox84 3 жыл бұрын
I think MTGA sets your default lands to the last land that you bought or won.
@vy1585
@vy1585 3 жыл бұрын
59:30 I bursted out laughing
@cat4luny4
@cat4luny4 3 жыл бұрын
frost trickster would have been very good in many games
@merfall2224
@merfall2224 3 жыл бұрын
This draft is pretty much what happened in all my quandrix drafts in bo1 since I reached diamond. Lose against curvy silverquill/lorehold, end up with a 3-3. I think the strategy isn’t good enough in bo1 with the hand smoother and all that jazz.
@Nalianna
@Nalianna 3 жыл бұрын
@47:22 Yeah...that's a reasonable thing to have happen...
@jacksonletts3724
@jacksonletts3724 3 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain the cram session over arcane subtraction at the end of pack one? He winds up cutting the cram session at the end for an arcane subtraction anyway, so I’m a little mystified.
@RWolffen
@RWolffen 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe he felt he needed the life early because he didn't have any early plays?? Idk LSV's mind works in mysterious ways :P
@samueledelicati6188
@samueledelicati6188 3 жыл бұрын
Cram session worrks well in a slow deck who wants to have time and not combat tricks. Both aren't greate but you can turn 2 cram session no problem instead you cannot cast subtraction without target i guess
@YTNinja49GG
@YTNinja49GG 3 жыл бұрын
He explained it himself when he picked it.
@jacksonletts3724
@jacksonletts3724 3 жыл бұрын
​@@YTNinja49GG Perhaps I should rephrase. He did give an explanation, but it was an off-hand sentence that was seemingly rendered moot when he cut cram session for subtraction. That's why I'm confused. Specifically, LSV gives an explanation for why to take cram session over serpentine curve, which I thought made sense. However, his only explanation for not taking subtraction was that he could get one later. I was confused by this logic since I have arcane subtraction as a much better card that is less likely to be available. I then thought maybe it was because he couldn't play subtraction on turn two, but then I don't understand why he cut cram for a subtraction at the end.
@LedPESRule
@LedPESRule 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacksonletts3724 He picked up another Needlethorne Drake in between which "combos" with Arcane nicely. Otherwise they kind of do the same thing in a high curve deck by keeping your life high, with Arcane being more conditional.
@itsacopy
@itsacopy 3 жыл бұрын
At least for my play style quandrix was the worst combination. Prismari needs good rares also. Witherbloom have the best set of commons/uncommons
@rfs8194
@rfs8194 3 жыл бұрын
I think there can be huge metagame shifts on Arena. In Kaldheim, there was a definite point where the average Arena drafter realized that 4-color nonsense was strong.
@guyaudio632
@guyaudio632 3 жыл бұрын
Really? I felt Kaldheim had a shift away from snow and toward Red white aggro. Snow became incredibly open.
@rfs8194
@rfs8194 3 жыл бұрын
@@guyaudio632 I don't know. I felt like aggro was more open later in the format. But small sample sizes, I guess it's hard to know how representative one's experience is.
@youngwolfstudio5710
@youngwolfstudio5710 3 жыл бұрын
Now I want to know, what's your burrito place LSV?
@doncaster1975
@doncaster1975 3 жыл бұрын
new stip...have to force not blue.... I would like to learn how not to have to draft G/U :)
@ExKiwi-yw8er
@ExKiwi-yw8er 3 жыл бұрын
I bet this deck would have gone undefeated with that natural order. Punished for taking the correct card.
@alexscriabin
@alexscriabin 3 жыл бұрын
33:10 Hasbro buys LSV some burritos any complains they weren't even that good hahaha
@WFDConnor
@WFDConnor 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't watched past the draft portion of the vid but I just wanted to go on record and say that quandrix command is way more than "just good" as lsv put it imho. I actually think it's the best command coming ahead of lorehold, silver, prismari, wither in that order. It didn't appear that way at first, I will admit, but playing more of the format and realizing how strong the big fractal's decks are the command has just skyrocketed in value. It's just so often a massive two for one that also puts you way ahead on board. Bouncing a token and pumping your trickster or whatever to eat their creature is just a massive amount of lifting for a 3 cmc instant to do. All of that applies even moreso to the aggressive matchups. The other thing is just how insane it scales when you copy it. Temur being amazing is another revelation and when you copy command (which is very easy when it lines up because of its cheap cost) it's often just game over.
@guyaudio632
@guyaudio632 3 жыл бұрын
Lorehold is the biggest command. Quandrix second, then silverquil, prismari, witherbloom is almost unplayable.
@johannesvanderhorst9778
@johannesvanderhorst9778 3 жыл бұрын
The best command behind the four other commands. Doesn't that just say it is the worst of the five commands?
@CoL_Drake
@CoL_Drake 3 жыл бұрын
How many Professor are to many? I Had Just 6 and IT went 7-0 with quandrix Aggro xD
@moocowp4970
@moocowp4970 3 жыл бұрын
Lol that 4th game tempted coming in clutch hahaha. Im not sure about sealed, but it does feel like draft has a substantially more luck than constructed. Which I guess is to be expected since there are extra forms of luck (in terms of what is offered in the draft) as well as a smaller deck size (contributing to a higher chance to be mana flooded/screwed).
@johannesvanderhorst9778
@johannesvanderhorst9778 3 жыл бұрын
In fact a lower deck size reduces the odds of a mana flood/screw. Because if you draw too many lands, the probability that the next card is a land decreases faster in a small deck, and the same happens to the probability of you drawing another spell if you began with drawing too few lands. If a constructed deck has a lower probability of being mana screwed or mana flooded, it is due to a better finetuning and balancing of the deck rather than to its size.
@jdkemsley7628
@jdkemsley7628 3 жыл бұрын
38:03 Man I don't understand why so many people scry on upkeep like this. With this little mana the only thing you're achieving is a guarantee that you have NO play this turn.
@Nochannelname1111
@Nochannelname1111 3 жыл бұрын
25, 25 might be too many.
@cacs2201
@cacs2201 3 жыл бұрын
25 might Definitely 26 though
@Kryptnyt
@Kryptnyt 3 жыл бұрын
I see you also live by the book
@RW77777777
@RW77777777 3 жыл бұрын
nowhere near this much competition in quick draft queue what a meatgrinder
@magnusmungo7163
@magnusmungo7163 3 жыл бұрын
Literally every time I play with bookwurm I end up with it being a dead card in my hand 80% of the time. It's just too much for too little at that stage of the game.
@LedPESRule
@LedPESRule 3 жыл бұрын
Judging by all the matches it seems like 2 Bookwurms is already a little too clunky, even with all the Ramp in the world.
@Kettwiesel25
@Kettwiesel25 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think the image one gets by these three matches is accurate in that regard.
@johannesvanderhorst9778
@johannesvanderhorst9778 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kettwiesel25 Maybe it is. Suppose we wish the probability for a Bookworm hand to work out (rather than one losing with it still in hand while winning was possible if instead there was another spell in the hand) to be 80%. If it goes wrong in three out of six games, one could test the 80% success hypothesis by computing the probability that out of six games, it goes wrong at at least three of these games. According to my calculations, the probability is 1.645/15.625, what lies between 10% and 11%. Not significant yet (by the standard 5% significance level.) However, if we reduce the number of games involved or test for example a 90% success rate hypothesis, these three matches might give a significant result.
@jermaineconcern1539
@jermaineconcern1539 3 жыл бұрын
I expect 3+ of something when I am asked if something too many, kiiiinda clickbait
@TheJohtaja
@TheJohtaja 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, putting "LSV" there made me click instantly, such bait.
@samueledelicati6188
@samueledelicati6188 3 жыл бұрын
People really don't know how ti evaluate cards this set. Even other cfb players, like LordTupperware, overevaluete lessons before removal and overall good cards that make your deck good over your sideboard bigger
@YourPalJamieEllis
@YourPalJamieEllis 3 жыл бұрын
Playables are so copious now that spending a good number of picks on learners and lessons is vital to maximizing your deck's strength. It sounds like you're saying you think that learn/lesson is being overvalued?
@samueledelicati6188
@samueledelicati6188 3 жыл бұрын
@@YourPalJamieEllis If you 2nd pick a fractal summoning over emergent sequence ( It happened in the last lords of limited video) well the yes. You need 3 lessons ti maximize a 5 learn card deck not one every learn
@YourPalJamieEllis
@YourPalJamieEllis 3 жыл бұрын
@@samueledelicati6188 sure, I would disagree with Fractal Summoning over Sequence too.
@alphacentury8634
@alphacentury8634 3 жыл бұрын
And even players like LSV criminally underrating scurrid colony!
@samueledelicati6188
@samueledelicati6188 3 жыл бұрын
@@YourPalJamieEllis usually in drafts at play level i see like no lessons at all but i often get a really good quandrix deck, or good cards in general
@Lv80Mudkip
@Lv80Mudkip 3 жыл бұрын
ngl, this format has gotten pretty old pretty fast despite being solidly enjoyable. I feel like 3/5 matches I've played in diamond+ has been against UGx, and one can only stomach so much of that.
@CoL_Drake
@CoL_Drake 3 жыл бұрын
For me best Format since long
@johannesvanderhorst9778
@johannesvanderhorst9778 3 жыл бұрын
So fortunately, Modern Horizons 2 is on the, well, horizon.
@Scarlettshardd
@Scarlettshardd 3 жыл бұрын
I see LSV, I click like
@VinegarAndSaltedFries
@VinegarAndSaltedFries 3 жыл бұрын
I love watching these videos, but you are being passed cards that just don’t get passed in the current draft meta so I can tell this was from awhile ago. Which is still kinda helpful but not nearly as much as a current up to date meta draft. And saying the meta doesn’t shift is just flat out wrong no matter what now ( played three drafts today) 2-3 people forcing Blue/Green. Lorehold and Silverquill are usually the most open.
@davidhenry1421
@davidhenry1421 3 жыл бұрын
Cuts frost trickster saying it sucks. Immediately gets punished in a game where it would be amazing.
@voltafischer
@voltafischer 3 жыл бұрын
Will you propose to Gabby already? Sweetest girl in magic always always always there for him and he hardly bats an eye lol
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