How Many War Crimes Does Each Fire Emblem Antagonist Commit?

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[@pizzahuthonoka]

I like how the most evil faction responsible for the most war crimes weren't evil dragons or literal gods; it was just a bunch of politicians.

[@xatornovasreviews7818]

i generally don't give likes to youtube comments but this is one of the most based and precise ones i've seen

[@jordenfrost2329]

Dragons are not evil they just dragon deee nuts sorry I had too

[@Garchomp47]

Realistic

[@borjankosarac3645]

I mean, that’s just common sense innit?

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

True to reality

[@snowblossom4961]

“If Claude had more than ten mintues of screentime in any other routes he’d be at the top of this list” Three Hopes: allow me to introduce myself

[@l.n.3372]

Actually, Claude's war crimes in Hopes are primarily when he's a playable character in Golden wildfire, and not when he's an antagonist. Therefore that doesn't count in this video anyway and would be relevant to the other video instead.

[@snowblossom4961]

@@l.n.3372 yeah but he does still do a fair number of war crimes in Scarlet Blaze

[@l.n.3372]

@@snowblossom4961 Well he's allied with Edelgard for most of that particular route. It's only in the weird split route part that he betrays her. But betrayal isn't a war crime lol

[@islemsissou7707]

​@@snowblossom4961more liké that 1 chapter and that all

[@mafiousbj]

I remember Golden Deer fans being kinda pissed when that game came out. Played it recently and it probably makes a bit of character assasination but after watching the protagonist war crimes video I feel he stayed in character 😂

[@maltheopia]

FE4/FE5, FE6, FE10, FE14, and FE16 could be their own hour-long videos.

[@soraandthegang1066]

“I’m aware that the use of beast stone and necromancy isn’t punished by the Geneva convention but it should be” Is certainly one of the quotes of all time

[@gigaslave]

That falls under desecration of the dead or something, if it wasn't already a war crime, it would be easily amended into a war crimes convention.

[@nullpoint3346]

@@gigaslave Complication: Cultural differences. Some cultures consider being turned into an undead a holy use of their dead, and that allowing them to rot is the true desecration. We consider necromancy evil, some just view it through sheer pragmatism, but there are definitely forms of undeath that are better than living. Like [Edo Tensei] from Naruto, but _only_ if the subject does not remain under the control of the user.

[@onagle_9279]

Shout out to all the 3H lords for technically having a smaller war crime count than when they were protagonist

[@Demonboy007]

Edelgard and Rhea might be the opposite, since Edelgard isn't relying on demonic beasts in CF, while Rhea is kidnapped in the other three routes, so no city burning for her.

[@MayorofHopeville]

Honestly Edelgard almost exclusively used the beasts

[@knightofarnor2552]

For Sacred Stones, I'll contend that there's actually even more than you listed. - Perfidy. At the start of Chapter 8, Orson attempts (and fails) to trick Eirika and Seth by pretending to still be on their side. - Executing prisoners without trial. Caellach kills Ismaire while she is his prisoner. - Outrage of Dignity. Although it technically doesn't happen, it's all but outright stated that Gheb was planning to force himself on Tana, and the same goes for Valter and Eirika. - A war crime you haven't discussed is "Attacks Against Cultural Property". The Geneva Convention pays more attention to buildings and monuments with this rule, but smashing the Sacred Stones probably ought to qualify, given their immense religious and historical value. If the stones don't count, the corruption of the Tower of Valni probably does. - Lyon creates the Dark Stone. This is arguably a homemade weapon. However, it's not clear if the stone provides a combat benefit, so it might just fall under Use of Dark Arts. If these were counted, Grado would have a total of 12 distinct war crimes and 13 if the Dark Stone is a weapon, placing it at the top of the list by a comfortable margin.

[@Caddance]

HELL YEA LYON COMMITTED THE MOST WAR CRIMES OUT OF ANY FE ANTAGONIST

[@zdelrod829]

You forgot to mention that the Geneva Conventions aren't even in the files of Sacred Stones ANYWHERE, so the footage at 1:10 is from a modified rom.

[@Caddance]

@@zdelrod829 nuh uh! It’s there! I checked!

[@frogb00ts]

​@zachelrodgaming4298 it's there I just checked on my nintendo PC

[@zdelrod829]

@@Caddance I have a decompiled dump of the game. Trust me, it's not there.

[@RuiTsuki]

Walhart and especially Validar are missing. I think Aversa's backstory alone (was abducted by him when she was a girl, brainwashed, "given the shadowgift" (JP and En disagree here a bit) and the village she used to live in was wiped out as well as anyone close to her killed) is quite impressive. There's probably a bunch more, this just came to my mind immediately.

[@dannyhargreaves1326]

Don’t forget Validar’s son is sacrificed to become Grima. Use of dark arts, possible child soldier, brainwashing, murder via Robin to kill Chrom. Grima in turn is genocidal, destruction of property, use of dark arts, attempted murderer, use of time travel maybe, use of necromancy, the list goes on.

[@Mad_Oxy]

Takumi shooting Elise in the face in a cutscene, I think it's considered as attacking medics, also Ryoma taking a control over a hospital and its medical provisions, denying giving the meds to dying of illness people, not just AI thing.

[@jvts8916]

Some additional details: Lang fakes surrender to gain an advantage, made even clearer that he did it intentionally because it's his pre-battle quote. Ashnard's army is the only one to unambiguously attack medics. One of their soldiers kidnaps tons of priests to use as meat shields and when defeated his only regret was he should've brought more priests and/or babies. Ashnard himself has a unique quote with Reyson (which, given herons can't attack, means Ashnard has to initiate it) in which he makes it clear that his goal is to make a world where only the strong survive on top of claiming herons don't qualify as strong so he could also be charged with attempted genocide as well. Nergal has the weirdest one in that despite what the gameplay shows the Black Fang aren't legally an army. They're an assassin ring and are implied to have been hired to deal with civilians and do espionage.

[@ddshocktrooper5604]

That actually wasn't Ashnard's soldiers using medics as human shields. It was a group of mercenaries who pretty specifically were no longer under Daein contract, but were worried that they would be prosecuted by the Crimean/Bengion alliance for the warcrimes they committed under Daein's orders. I think this decision is further proof that the Geneva Convention exists in FE, as these mercenaries seem to be aware of the precedent set by the Nuremberg Trials.

[@joshualayton1905]

Grado also attacks medics becuase in chapter 6 (i think) they are chasing down trying to kill natasha.

[@emblemblade9245]

@@joshualayton19055

[@paulman34340]

@@ddshocktrooper5604 Yeah Ike would have let them go had they NOT done that too. Meaning the idiots only sealed their fate the moment they did! The boss's death quote pretty much cements his stupid evil as he thinks as he's dying that he would have lived if he had even MORE hostages, showing NO remorse for his actions! And you feel even LESS pity for him and his group (without that and their behavior, you might have CONFUSED them for JUST being scared and panicking)

[@paulman34340]

With the Black Fang, they use to be Robin Hood but Assassin's rather then stealing gold edition! He didn't make the Black Fang, they existed before he took them over via Sonia manipulating their leader Brendan Reed. They just changed to assassinating targets WITHOUT full knowledge on WHY they had to die (because Papa Nergal needed that SWEET Quintessence and looking at it, he took the Sombron route doing it BEFORE Sombron by the way of eventually killing their membership off and replacing them with Morph's, he just used GOLEMS made in the IMAGE with a few powerful ones of the Quintessence/soul they originated from! FEH really shows just how SCARY that existence is using three of the four fangs suffering that fate! Ursula got it the WORSE) so by the time Nino joins, effectively the only living members left were Jan, Brendan (not to long whatever you DO Nino Paralogue or not), the membership that defected to your side and the surviving Reed brother and whatever was LEFT of their forces for one last run on The Blazing Sword Trio (effectively finishing them off as they are never mentioned again by the time of Binding Blade). I mean despite them being "Noble" before their fall in the eyes of the common folk. Hector RIGHTFULLY called them nothing but a pack of murderers as I did state they BARELY questioned the orders on WHY their targets had to die! Even the Reed Brothers were under the impression the Trio were Corrupt Lords only by SONIA'S word (and even THEN they didn't trust it, the only reason they come AFTER the Trio with the surviving one is BECAUSE Limstella killed the one who identified them as non-corrupt and the surviving brother was SO consumed in rage and grieve that he didn't CARE to let them explain themselves, even willing to KILL Nino simply for being on their side. Especially if this is LLYOD the more coolheaded of the brothers who fights you second! Love how FEH has been doing a good job showing that even if Llyod was the far more reasonable one to Linus, even he HAS his moments as a reminder he's an assassin who HAS killed many people!) But Nergal HAD to have commited a HUGE War Crime with how many morphs you see him fielding through the game and knowing he lived around the time of the The Scouring meaning 1000 years. He's had to have sucked the Quintessence of ALOT of innocent people by near endgame (Sombron fucking SLAUGHTERED an entire kingdom to get an ARMY of corrupted! Explaining WHY you have ALOT of Corrupted come the Endgame Post chapter 20 as that's when Elusia stops being hostile and even showing up anymore! If Alear's group wasn't slaughtering them in Mass! Sombron sure as hell was along with their Civilian population! Just look what he did to that port town in chapter fucking 19! And Jean if he's around in Chapter 20 post battle, he mentions NOTICING alot of claw marks and blood about Elusia castle! And Ivy's mother the Queen's fate is unknown, but knowing Sombron and the castle giving me vibes of when you fought that mage dragon back in Shadow Dragon to get Marth's home back who TAUNTED that he tortured and murdered ALOT of Marth's subjects including his mother! You can guess her fate!) So he (and Sombron) are MASS MURDERERS!

[@emblemblade9245]

Did you really just mod FE8 to make a gag about putting the Geneva Conventions in the guide menu? Amazing

[@willbill6942]

Messing around with FEBuilder years ago finally paying off

[@Caddance]

Dammit now Lyon needs to be put on trial. Don’t worry, imma defend him. Your honor, he was simply acting a little silly.

[@amiralfrancais3700]

Technically, since Leon was put under control the whole time via "use of the dark arts". He is himself a soldier forced to fight, and is a victim, not the criminal. The king as well was under control. The person to blame for Grado's warcrimes must then be the final boss of the game. I claim Grado's royal family non guilty

[@l.n.3372]

​@@Caddance Which Lyon is on trial? Eirika route Lyon or Ephraim route Lyon? Aka possessed puppet or in control at all times XD

[@Caddance]

@@l.n.3372 well the thing is both Lyon’s are the real Lyon. In Eirika’s route, he’s pretending he doesn’t have complete control because he doesn’t want to hurt her as much as he can. In Ephraim’s route he’s under the DELUSION he’s in control cause he just really really wants to rail Ephraim and it makes it clear that the Demon King is manipulating him by exploiting his insecurities and intrusive thoughts. Regardless I could still make a case that he is innocent of all crimes because as I said, he was simply acting a little silly.

[@PirateCommando]

Mutilation and desecration would probably be what necromancy falls under and is definitely a crime.

[@paulman34340]

So basically EVER Time the Deadlords get used by the villains starting from FE4! And seriously Nergal and Sombron come to mind with their necromancing! Hell Ashera ALSO count with what she does to the dead on HER SIDE by the time Ike, Micaiah and Co are climbing her tower! Even Caineghis calls her out on it and Yune is HORRIFIED at what she did! Because as a GODDESS OF ORDER! That's a HUGE misstep of her very TITLE AND BEING! Though the fact she TURNS on Lehran if he joins you shows in her mind, she's COMPLETELY believing she is BEYOND approach as a goddess ESSENTIALLY being Ashunera worse nightmare as she was MEANT to be PERFECT, but instead ended up being HUGELY imperfect and a GOOD THING Lehran had the common sense and caution to seal Yune away then erase her like Ashunera as Ashera wanted! Yune did her own bad, but the story makes clear just how FLAWED both halves were, even WORSE then Ashunera their COMPLETE self! Sadly while YUNE learned what she did wrong being AROUND mortals, Ashera keeping away from them only ASSURED she was going to see herself as ABOVE them and so can justify ANYTHING she wants to do with them! Removing Emotions and having PURE Logic only made her a compassionless sociopath that was COMPLETELY unfit to be the goddess of ANYTHING!

[@Flameblight]

Shouldn't Sombron also get points for attempted genocide (the divine dragons, possibly humanity) child soldiers (Veyle and the rest of his children) having his zombies kill said children if they at all disappoint him and making the others watch (alears backstory) multiple attacks on civilians (several maps where you show up to find his zombies attacking unarmed towns) hostages (bye king brodia) compelling people to fight their own country and children (hi king brodia, and also Veyle and king illusia and lumera, and also alear in that one timeline)

[@ShursGarden]

It's not genocide as it's not an intentional killing. His goal is get enough power so he can leave this world and go to another one. He just doesn't care about what happens here.

[@Flameblight]

​@@ShursGarden I was under the impression he was very specifically having his agents and children hunting down Divine Dragons in that flashback chapter. To the point Lumera is the last living one... Just because it wasn't his MAIN goal doesn't mean he wasn't still doing it.

[@dannyhargreaves1326]

Not to mention regicide. He outright ate the king of Elusia!

[@ShursGarden]

@@dannyhargreaves1326 I don't think regicide is considered a war crime?

[@ttme1234]

I was wondering how many of Sombron's were missing! I had noticed a few of these myself.

[@Practitioner_of_Diogenes]

I feel like if Necromancy is involved, it could be considered a violation of rule 113: treatment of the dead. As this rule pertains to how the dead are to be treated in a conflict, and that mutilation of the dead is prohibited, and that Necromancy is absolutely disrespecting and mutilation of a fallen soldier, that fits better than calling it "use of the dark arts".

[@Jordan-wv2xz]

I thought the same thing, actually. I was wondering if the Geneva Convention had any rules about desecration of the dead, and necromancy would definitely count in that area.

[@floris1111]

My brother in christ, you missed tons of bioweapon usage

[@nullpoint3346]

Do monsters count as bioweapons? Morphs, war dragons, and whatever else questionably living thing that was manufactured for conflict aren't really diseases, which is the main target of bioweapons restriction. Resident Evil's zombies and mutants are disrespectfully tap dancing on the line by being manufactured through a bioweapon, but in of themselves might not count, especially if you remove the infectious trait before deploying them.

[@MayorofHopeville]

Each demonic beast was one

[@davidgeorge1943]

Not even a minute in yet, but I'm already calling it that Garon (including Hans and Iago) is very high in the rankings because gotdam, he's so cartoonishly, unapologetically evil, the only reason he doesn't have a mustache is because he would've twirled it right off his face.

[@paulman34340]

To be fair on his behavior! It IS explained that it's not REALLY him doing these things, but a FAMILIAR of Anankos possessing his body and BADLY acting as he was FEELING by the time he died where he had GIVEN UP on EVERYONE when Arete died on him. Because he was SLIGHTLY acting this way PRIOR, no one fully questioned it and looking at the Opera chapter in Conquest, it's likely they've been COVERING UP his worse traits (as he wanted to kill EVERY Singer IN a Neutral Territory that isn't part of NOHR) Hell the only reason those LIKE Hans and Iago are higher up is because Gooron at LEAST knew their type wouldn't ask QUESTIONS (it's why Gunter got it REAL bad when he refused to "Fall in Line" as his backstory showed which happened around when Gooron was placed in the body, Gooron had the WEIRD mindset that he ). I mean by the time you FACE Hans for the last time in both Conquest AND Birthright, it's clear he and Iago have surrounded themselves with their OWN loyalist as they don't hesitate in the case of Conquest to attack their OWN Princes and Princess on Iago's and Han's orders DESPITE the fact that Gooron isn't around to OKAY those orders, so they WERE committing Treason! Even if Gooron gave him permission beforehand, those attacks on Corrin when the Royals were with him COULD be taken as ASSASSINATION attempts unless Gooron PUBICALLY okay them, which he DID NOT DO. So Iago let his ego get to his head and even without Corrin and Azura plan! The death of him, Hans and their forces could be chalked up to Hoshido stragglers doing them in! I will agree that his evil was TOO MUCH! I mean Sombron and Evil Veyle can get away with this behavior because they weren't "in control of Elusia for a decade or so with NO ONE protesting or rebellions happening" (Which is why making Gooron go all EVIL instead of being more SUBTLE was a pretty bad idea. He had SO MUCH POTENTIAL! But hey at least their UTILIZING that potential at the very least)

[@l.n.3372]

Edit upon watching video: I think you probably could have counted Nemesis and the 10 elites, since they are antagonists/villains and the final bosses of VW. They're manipulated by those who slither in the dark, but Nemesis committed crimes of his own. The massacre of children of the goddess was genocide, and turning their skeletons into weapons is the creation of illegal weapons plus the usage of dark arts (since crest stones make humans go insane and transform against their will). I don't think the white beasts count as war crimes in Silver Snow. They weren't intended to transform; that was accidental as Rhea went insane and they had her blood as per becoming bishops of the church. That wasn't the goal as Rhea wasn't planning for them to transform against their will in a battle where she wasn't even in control of herself anymore. And obviously Sitri isn't a war crime since there was no war at that time. They're experimental for sure but it wasn't even during war time so that cannot count. Commenting early, but I'm already wondering about how your channel will take into account Edelgard crimes vs her culpability due to allying with Thales. As for CF, Dimitri didn't choose to use those demonic beasts in CF. That was Dedue who gave the stones to the kingdom army. So this wasn't actually Dimitri's choice. I think Dimitri even says that he doesn't agree with this tactic.

[@BladeMasterIcarus]

meh its was too long ago in the 3h timeline Nemesis and his ten elites on this list. I just chalk it up to being a part of the prehistory before these war crimes were establish as well as being a part of the reason we have them in the first place.

[@l.n.3372]

@@BladeMasterIcarus You mean their crimes happened too long ago? On some level that's true. But, they're literally Claude's final boss. So you can't discount them entirely because they're a major final boss of a route in 3H. If they'd never showed up in game tho, I'd probably agree. But because they do show up as bosses, and because their crimes impacted the history of Fodlan (plus caused all of the plot afterwards), it's hard to completely discount it.

[@illusive-mike]

For CF Dimitri's use of beasts, that comes under the same logic as Remire for Edelgard. It goes on the count even if the leader doesn't agree. Though if we want to be more rigorous about sticking a Dark Arts count on the battle of Tailtean then the better question would be about the nature of Rhea's golems.

[@therealjaystone2344]

Nemesis made his decision to abuse his power with the creator sword for his own gain, regardless of the slithers, and then became corrupted.

[@illusive-mike]

@@therealjaystone2344 As a point of order, there was no Sword for Nemesis to "decide" to abuse without the Agarthans, given that they forged the thing from Sothis's spine after he killed her in her sleep and brought her to them. And due to the perfect alignment between Nemesis and the Agarthans in the goals of the war crimes in question and their cooperation in their commission, everything Nemesis did can simply be added to Thales's count. As with Thales-Edelgard and Rhea-CF!Dimitri, the actions are sufficiently unified here not to warrant separate counting.

[@juicyjuustar121]

I always find it funny when people forget just how dark Sacred Stones gets. It has a generally lighter tone than a lot of FE games, but the subject matter it touches on can get extremely disturbing at times

[@MVCx_xB]

its one of my favorites for that reason. The Novala taking children captive and feeding them to spiders, Valter and Eirika (and by that extension, Gheb and Tana), Orson's reanimated wife, and even Lyon's tragic downfall himself is all just so sublingually evocative

[@juicyjuustar121]

@@MVCx_xB Same. Sacred Stones is honestly my favorite story in the entire series; it's just such a unique mash of tone and subject matter, and it's a lot deeper than people give it credit for. I don't care what other people in the community have to say about it, it's always been a really strong, emotional story to me

[@mafiousbj]

The reanimated zombie wife really hit me as a kid, even without having visuals for it. Specially since I was so hooked into zombie movies and games when I played Sacred Stones

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

I still think Orson's dead wife is pretty fucked up

[@jwil4286]

Nitpick about Lorenz: he wasn’t technically fighting against his home country; he was simply forced to switch sides in a different conflict. The Alliance was in a civil war between pro-Imperial and anti-Imperial forces. In Azure Moon and Silver Snow, Claude feigns an attack on his territory to draw out their forces, while Byleth’s forces snuck below to perform an encirclement. Technically, Lorenz is still fighting for the Alliance.

[@l.n.3372]

Yeah you're right: the alliance was split in half between those supporting the empire and those resisting the empire. Thus, Lorenz is always gonna be siding with one half regardless of his actions. In AM, VW and SS, he's siding with the half that's opposing the empire. In CF, he's joining the empire.

[@whyevan930]

For Garon weren't Flora and Felicia taken hostage to ensure the ice tribe didn't rebel.

[@johnathanedwards9054]

Yeah

[@starmaker75]

While a good number of fire emblem protagonists look at the Geneva convention as the Geneva suggestion, the antagonist will look at the paper of the Genevieve convention and used as toilet paper. Edit: surprised Lyon was high on the list while the edelgard and three houses people was pretty low.

[@turtersvongenbu]

Engage healers always have weapons, unless you take them off. The Martial Monk is more a bodyguard than a true medic anyway, since their primary function is taking attacks for allies.

[@Boarbatrice]

Technically fists can’t be considered weapons in this context even if ingame they are

[@starmaker75]

Yeah martial Monks and a lot of bishop are more combat medic that fight. I admit I don't know the in and out of war laws but I think it is not a war crimes if the medic was also fighting back

[@turtersvongenbu]

​@@Boarbatrice The scrolls have inherent damage output, grant stat buffs and must be in your inventory to be used. It's not like the characters learn techniques by reading from them, they flat out bestow inhuman power when held. How different can they be from something like a tome?

[@General_C]

Sacred Stones has the entire fucking Geneva Convention in its tutorials? That's actually hilarious.

[@guggelguggel7491]

Alas, no, but by god do I wish it to be true

[@mobgabriel1767]

"if you go to sacred stones's guide you can clearly find the geneva conventions outlied" i love how this confirms that the geneva conventions are something extremely basic in FE and all the lords ignore them willingly

[@blankblank6214]

I'm pretty sure the demonic beast where not a agreed appon strategy but a surprise war crime by deudu. And I think you missed some with Ashnard as id image labor camp type stuff mentioned after chapter 10, anything to do with the map before endgame , Bertram, petrine, black knight , jills dad chapter, and ena would count as well

[@juicyjuustar121]

Sombron definitely has a LOT more war crimes than that, like the number of extremely awful things he does is insane

[@dannyhargreaves1326]

Like eat the king of Elusia. Isn’t that considered regicide?!

[@paulman34340]

@@dannyhargreaves1326 Who knows, technically he is considered Elusia's GOD, so CAN he be held on Regicide since he's NOT a subject of the kingdom that WORSHIPS HIM! However everything those under him DO under his authority CAN be held against him. So basically EVERYTHING Evil Veyle does, she lead TWO incursions into Kingdoms that were NOT declared enemies of Elusia with Elusian forces (Lythos and Firene that had a NON-Aggression Agreement with Elusia!) then Solm can be blamed on Elusia since they ILLEGALLY entered the Queendom and occupied the Palace! Hortensia can be held on taking the Queen hostage, but she didn't come with those forces! By that point, the four hounds have FULL authority and power, so Elusia's actions are COMPLETELY on their head! Even if Hyacinth was alive, him being a PUPPET of Sombron still makes Elusia's crimes HIS! Only thing you CAN'T hold as a war crime is the murder of his children, that is just a plain CRIME PERIOD

[@AdeptArcanist]

Under the Ashnard section, you forgot collateral damage/the destruction of environment one you mentioned in the last video, for Petrine’s plan to flood Talrega. (Nitpicks aside, these are both very fun videos! “FE8’s Guide feature details the Geneva Conventions” had me cackling.)

[@gg_sam7847]

It was one of Dimitri's commanders that used the demonic beasts without his knowledge, does that really count as one of his crimes?

[@papersonic9941]

I think it technically does, since said commander is under his command.

[@islemsissou7707]

​@@papersonic9941but he didn't gave them the order

[@mafiousbj]

At least in my Latin American country, after the last dictatorship ended and the people responsible were judged, crimes of the lower ranked soldiers were usually attributed to their superiors, with the logic that even if those weren't direct orders, they were the result of a general directive of the armed forces written and enforced by those superior officers. Just a real world example I can think of, so yeah it would probably be attributed to Dimitri in a trial

[@xatornovasreviews7818]

I just want to say that this video is a huge improvement over Part 1, a lot better editing and the visuals contribute to the presentation to convey the information more effectively. I hope the channel continues to grow 😀 btw, no Anankos?

[@willbill6942]

I kinda just forgot about him XD My bad

[@sadeknight9112]

@@willbill6942Clever

[@NynaSunner]

The corrupted attacking villagers (like in Jean's map) don't count as a warcrime for Sombron?

[@starmaker75]

Yeah that's almost a textbook example of war crimes

[@therealjaystone2344]

@@starmaker75”because I hate humanity and they all must perish!”

[@joshualayton1905]

​@@therealjaystone2344he does murdercate a village because his only friend goes poof

[@paulman34340]

@@therealjaystone2344 TEchnically Sombron doesn't really GIVE A DAMN about the consequences of his actions! He doesn't really HATE anyone, because that would mean he CARES about them to hate them in the first place! Plus the Corrupted are a BIT of a weird thing in the lore! As you DO see non-Fell Dragon associated antagonist using them, like the Twin Bandit Brothers in Chapter 13, saying the Corrupted took a liking to them that they followed their orders! And Rafal stating he TRIED to control the Corrupted and they don't "Respect him!" It's likely Sombron's fell energy simply causes Corrupted to rise from their graves in a way similar to the Blood Moon of Ganondorf in Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom. Even if he isn't doing it KNOWINGLY! Rafal could control the corrupted in his world because of Sombron likely WILLING IT as he was Sombron's heir, but in the main story, Rafal doesn't exist, so he's an unknown Fell Dragon who is ignored and attacked (The only ones who could make them being SOMBRON and Evil Veyle as you see them ATTACK Good Veyle and even before that she was SLAYING them as she went. So it's likely she keyed them to obey ONLY herself and not Good Veyle). The corrupted are attacking ANYONE they come across and Jean's village just HAPPEN to be in their path (Likely STRAY Corrupted that weren't SLAYED after taking back Firene Castle seeing how you're facing Bandits in the following chapter afterwards The one who HATES humans is Evil Veyle, but I think she hates them SIMPLY because Veyle likes them. It's pointed out Sombron tends to not really CARE to enjoy the fear of his victims for very long. If he wants you dead, he'll kill you simple and easy. No drawing it out! Evil Veyle is sadistic to cartoon villain levels which BITES her in the ass ALOT. Like very likely LETTING Alear and company escape in between chapter 10 and 11 simply to enjoy toying with them instead of killing them, allowing Alear to escape, get TWO rings back and come back to haunt her! By chapter 17, she's REALLY feeling the effects of that BAD decision! Losing Leif AND Sigurd and squandering her turnabout on Alear because of her Stupid Evil Sadism. Then you have the events of Chapter 19 REALLY screw them over! Chapter 20 could be considered more or less Zephia and Griss realizing it really didn't matter as their Corrupted have reached ARMY levels and Sombron's back to fully strength as he demonstrates after chapter 21 by killing Alear INSTANTLY that all Alear HAVING the rings did was repeat Chapter fucking 10 with bringing them ALL to him unwittingly! Though that was less VEYLE anyway! And more Sombron won no matter WHO won out between Alear or Evil Veyle)

[@thevrex9237]

"Amelia starts off strong as a child soldier" is a wonderful quote this video has blessed this world with

[@thefinalskarm1754]

YIPEEE MORE WAR CRIMES YIPEEEE 9:24 not to mention that units of her army are on said area she lights, one of which is Bernadetta if unrecruited.

[@taylera7159]

I think FE6 would count as perfidy as well. I'm remembering this off the top of my head so please forgive any errors, but there's a dark magic user in Ch6 who killed Lord Orun and was planning to capture Roy by pretending that Orun was still alive and acting as though he was an ally to lure him in. It was only thanks to Cath's information that they weren't more brutally ambushed or captured.

[@voltron77]

Yep you’re right on the money.

[@ness6099]

I think the count is mostly solid, although there were some weird statements/mistakes. For example, the 12 Dead Lords being necessarily the first 12 crusaders is something I have no idea where it came from. Dead lords were used all the way back starting when Gair first took over Jugdral and destroyed the Grann Republic. For context, the original 12 crusaders weren’t marked as such until the Miracle of Dahna/Darna in 632, and we don’t see Dead Lords in gameplay until Thracia 776 in… well, the year 776, and some of them can be replaced by dead comrades and enemies of Leif. I assume these are corpses of those more recent with great capacities or “Quintessence” to manipulate (it does exist in Jugdral, Claud mentions it for the first time in the franchise, he just doesn’t have time to go over it and Tailtiu got bored just like the player would if they had to hear about it). I know we aren’t counting repeats of the same war crime, but Gair created the first 12 Deadlords and the old Loptrian Empire fell under the rule of Gair XVII. If all these different incarnations and Julius all had exactly one set of 12 Deadlords that’s already 216 counts of possession and using the dark arts… yikes!

[@willbill6942]

Oops, my bad. Thank you for the correction. I had just assumed that they were the crusaders for some reason, since there were 12 of them. Looking back over they don't even have holy blood or anything, maybe I was conflating them with VW's final chapter or something

[@comradeflamer1973]

Slight correction: In FE6/7 Dark magic doesnt destroy the soul of the target, but rather gnaws at the soul of its user. Given that all dark magic users study and use it of their own will, I dont think that should count as a warcrime.

[@l.n.3372]

I thought I was misremembering Canas. Thanks for the clarification because I was confused when he said that in the video.

[@Fishman465]

The allied users advocate moderate use while villains go full papitine

[@ddshocktrooper5604]

Are suicide attacks a warcrime? I think you could classify dark magic as such. EDIT: Looked it up, and no, suicide bombings are totally legal under international law so long as you don't run afoul of perfidy or civilian targets.

[@l.n.3372]

@@ddshocktrooper5604 I haven't looked it up myself but that doesn't make sense. The purpose of said attacks is to intentionally harm civilians and destroy property. That's what said crime is. So how can it be "legal" if otherwise?

[@ddshocktrooper5604]

@@l.n.3372 you can technically suicide bomb military targets. Japanese fighter pilots allegedly did it all the time in ww2. And "property" destruction doesn't apply to military equipment/installations so military bases & vehicles are fair game.

[@Sp0okeh]

11:29 Ashnard also allowed the water dam of talrega to be flooded by general petrine. Which means incidental damage to property

[@jacobnorman1andonly]

I loved hat you went from each of the leaders and their crimes besides going through each crime and list each person. It was a lot more digestible this way. Great video!

[@corrinflakes9659]

I would consider necromancy and the blood experiments as human experimentation.

[@astracrits4633]

The same is probably true of the creation of the Feral Ones in FE9 and FE10; they were deliberately created as an experiment.

[@horacevonbergamot5093]

That Edit made me laugh out loud. Pretty good video, altough its just functions just as much of a ranking on how dark the games were writing wise. Just as you said, while Garon isn't first place, you can assume that he not only knows every other article of the Geneva Convention but in fact treated it as his personal To-Do-List. But well, about which FE Antagonist couldn't you say that as well.

[@hank2815]

The Begnion Senate breaks so many war laws that it even broke ones that are exclusive to Fire Emblem by having their Occupation General melee civilians diagonally when it shouldn't be physically possible.

[@bog4612]

Claude is so cool he didn't commit any war crimes as an antagonist.

[@maxcapron4656]

I feel like in the FE universe attacking healers would be considered less heinous of a crime than targeting medics in real life since they have a much more active impact on the battle at hand. Great video!

[@ddshocktrooper5604]

I suspect it's likely that deploying unarmed medics in battle (at least, in the way they tend to be used in FE) actually comes under the use of civilians as combatants - the thing Leif got pulled up for by capture baiting enemies.

[@CrackFiend6]

This video looks soo much better than the other one, keep it up bro

[@dianauwu1312]

What is necromancy if not taking prisoners with extra steps. You're just forcing these soldiers to fight their own country with slightly unconventional means

[@stephenbentley7314]

I’m pretty sure Daeins army poison water supplies or at least block it off in PoR which counts as a war crime

[@cristobalpinochet]

I recently discovered your channel, it has good stuff from both of my favorite series, fe and xenoblade

[@evansentcoffee]

No joke i thought you werent kidding abt the geneva convention in sacred stones until i looked in the comments lmao

[@animeaddict2202]

Fantastic follow up to the previous video! And an increase in quality I'd say for the visuals, no long sections of just black screen this time lol. To engage in cringe KZbin commenter behavior, you have earned a sub.

[@gamernomnom]

Awesome job! 🎉

[@codename618]

I understand why you counted Dimitri as using Demonic Beasts, though I'd like to point out that he didn't really have a say in the matter. It was all Dedue's work.

[@amiralfrancais3700]

He didn't decide the use of demonic beasts but he accepted Dedue's resolve once it happenned, which makes him approve the act in a way.

[@l.n.3372]

@@amiralfrancais3700 Dimitri didn't really accept it. But the soldiers themselves supposedly did accept it from Dedue. So you can at least argue they weren't forced against their will, unlike with the empire and slithers torturing people against their will.

[@BlackfangDragon]

Yeah the soldiers make clear they’re doing it of their own volition. In fact if Sylvain is amongst them he makes clear he worked with Dedue to do it. And unless you’re going to kill them before they transform there’s pretty much no stopping it once it begins(and killing Dedue before transformation even gets a special scene after the battle).

[@codename618]

@@BlackfangDragon I don't believe Sylvain ever transforms into a Demonic Beast. Just Dedue and a bunch of generics.

[@Aurelius-bf3yx]

Sure but a general is responsible for the actions of his subordinates/allies, its the same reason Edelgard got so many points.

[@docxy7331]

Didn't the western church get a brief trial Or atleast a "trial"

[@ddshocktrooper5604]

I don't think declaring a verdict after 2 lines of dialogue is considered a "trial" under the geneva convention.

[@johnrodgers8301]

Rhea is not at war when she does the blood experiments so is it still a war crime?

[@l.n.3372]

Agreed. I mentioned that as well.

[@brightlight8852]

She wasn't at war with the Western Church either and the lore straight up tells you that they did get a trail before. That's why she's aware of the full extent of their actions.

[@johnrodgers8301]

@@brightlight8852 I understand I'm just saying that you have to be at war or in armed conflict for it to be a war crime.

[@brightlight8852]

@@johnrodgers8301 Oh no, I agree with you. My point is that calling it a war crime is a misnomer because she wasn't at war when she did that.

[@johnrodgers8301]

@@brightlight8852 Sorry I misunderstood you, also thank you for introducing me to the word misnomer.

[@sindrisuncatcher653]

So Claude does piles of war crimes as your ally, but none as an enemy. Edelgard does piles of war crimes as your enemy, but none as an ally. Rhea and Dimitri do several whether you work with them or not. Clearly Crimson Flower is the ethically superior route, as it minimizes war crimes.

[@Colgruv]

If medics could heal people on the spot and put them back in the fight like in RPGs, attacking medics would definitely not be a war crime in the Geneva Convention 😂

[@olly_lmao]

deirdre had julius and julia after she was brainwashed. thats defo SA of a PoW

[@willbill6942]

True, I forgot to consider that. +1 for team Manfroy

[@TheMartianCherry]

Valtome (Senator) uses a a poison tome to increase the senators coutn to 9. I'm fairly Izuka certain compelling the feral laguz to fight the "heroes" counts as either an outrage of dignity and/or compelling someone to fight their home country (Gallia for example). And the Senate have used the blood pact on Kilvas before, which I'm fairly certain must count as an illegal weapon? It is certainly indiscriminate. So being harsh raises their tally to 12 counts.

[@TheMartianCherry]

And of course the attempted genocide of the laguz.

[@swampwench]

NO WAY IN HELL DID THE PUT THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS IN FE8'S GUIDE

[@mafiousbj]

Wanting to watch the entire video but still missing one and a half routes of Three Houses (but slowly getting there after playing Three Hopes and having my interest for Fodlan reignited) So this video is gonna go on the watch later list for now 😂 (still editing and presentation seems to have vastly improved. Congrats!)

[@treasure9342]

Honestly ur only problem with ur fire war crime,, was lack of editing, and now it's ALOT better, honestly amazing video, good job👍

[@Masterblader158]

I say quite a few are missing cases of child soldiers at least by species standards, Brainwashing of Tiki and basically any other use of such on child dragons, Sombron with his kids (and his disposal of them likely includes some more), Loptous Church's child hunt survivors engage in fighting pretty young and Julius being given Loptous tome (which might count as some illegal weapon beyond its Dark Arts since its soul effects and Dragon taking over are much direct with less consent than other holy weapons) might count but the age of getting it is unclear, those who Slither in the Darks experiments on children already being crimes against humanity and dignity in life span effects seemed to have military purpose not even counting how it sorta acts of coercion to fight in regards to Edelgard. Izuka's creation of feral ones is almost certainly compelling of service, biological warfare, experimenting on prisoners (also certainly a punishment either without trial or without reasonable fair trial)/civilians, shortening lifespan for dignity, almost certainly related to trying to wipe out Laguz and their culture (mindless weapons of war) given who he works under and probably a few other things related to destroying the mind...no wonder Volke basically joins to kill him under a loss since while so many boss's engage in ethnic/species targeting on non-humans or humans alike Izuka is especially messed up. Those who Slither in the Dark would also get whatever Nemesis does, while he might get Rhea kinda pass for genocide of a species but he would secure No Quarter given. Somborn's use of Emblems involving forcing the emblem to obey is compelling to fight, his eating of Kings is the most direct war cannibalism which includes desecration of corpses (in a more obvious way of normal necromancy since he eats them and thus the body is not intact and denies future cultural burials) and a very direct case of betrayal almost all main villain groups engage in. And a more general one I certainly can't remember for all of them is attacks on cultural/religious buildings which would include numerous changes those groups engage in with occupied castles, especially those like Sombron or Grima (whose stuff like brainwashing, deception, Thanatophages being one of the most messed up necromancy methods in being biological weapons and essentially committed omnicide against the people of the future whose nature he destroyed too and more securing Perfidy for Plegia and Grimleal really upes Awakenings) or just dragon foes in general who destroy them in part or whole. Physical relics being messed with would also be a separate example of attacks on culture or religion. Dark Magic (as used by Villains with heroes uses being much more controlled but still dangerous) is also just generally used in some utterly horrific ways (and creation of new spells more often in being homemade weapons) that would fall under war crimes that those who use it extensively (say being like biological weapons or general weapons of mass destruction) or have it used by leadership like Grado would massively jump in rankings, the amount of war crimes villainous uses engage in regards to the mind, corpses, experimentation on unwilling subjects and influencing stuff like the weather or nature (illegal actions even if they are current for us very hard to do) puts them well above what any playable faction should reach while you use them in both war crimes and crimes against humanity. Though Dark Magic is an easy umbrella since that would require a lot of specific digging to know every instance of it that it should just be worth a large amount of points by itself relative to each factions uses of it.

[@peterh2223]

4:52 That is technically false. Hayato is encountered on the "Fuga's Wild Ride" map, where you fight against the Wind tribe, an entity entirely seperate from both hoshido and nohr. This is blatant, as you are forced to face mr fuga on every route in fates.

[@willbill6942]

Wind Tribe isn't Hoshido? 😬 I believe it. Just wish Fates had a world map. It feels impossible to follow the non-Hoshido/Nohr nations.

[@l.n.3372]

@@willbill6942 I don't believe the flame tribe (Rinkah) counts as Hoshido either. Yeah they really needed an established map of lands/nations that was more clear.

[@peterh2223]

@@willbill6942 Yeah That's the reason that you are made to fight them in BR, because they are *Technically a seperate, Neutral nation, Like Izumo! Fugdowner was just best bros with Sumeragi McElevator

[@river0flife]

It's pretty funny to me how we are discussing war crimes over smooth/calm songs from FE games. It's great content!

[@niketheteach2693]

To be honest. Dimitri was unaware of the dark beast transformation. His own troups decided to go that route

[@alyantza]

Title's answer: Not enough

[@claudevonrunningman]

I’d love to see where Three Hopes Claude stands in this

[@samflood5631]

What did Three Hopes Claude do that counted as war crimes?

[@l.n.3372]

@@samflood5631 What DIDN'T 3 Hopes Claude do? XD But seriously, almost everything he does is the same as what Edelgard did in Scarlet blaze. Those routes are near copy paste of each other. The only main difference being the part 1 sections. But part 2 plays very similarly.

[@samflood5631]

@@l.n.3372 Feels like 90 percent of Claude's route are copy and paste of something much better in terms of context. I'm beginning to see why Lorenz and Ingrid didn't trust Claude at all. At least Ingrid gotten over the death of her fiancé and made peace with Dedue because she knew that his plans won't lead Fodlan into ruin. Hell Lorenz knew all along that Claude could bring disaster and misery to Fodlan if he's in charge.

[@l.n.3372]

@@samflood5631 You're preaching to a choir here cuz I agree with everything you said. I love Ingrid and Lorenz and I prefer Lorenz to Claude as a leader tbh. I also dislike how VW is discount SS. And hate how Golden wildfire is discount Scarlet blaze.

[@goroadachi9489]

@@l.n.3372I think you are discrediting the route a bit. Claude’s philosophy is that no matter what he needs to be on the winning side, and Edelgard just happens to be the winning side. He takes out the Church because he has no information and no way to obtain the information since Solon got taken out early and the monastery closed down early. He doesn’t have much of a choice if he wants to achieve his goals.

[@BloodyMaryV]

Will, we are officially brother of "first experience with Fire emblem" it was the exact same way. It was harsh but here we are still loving this serie. (for me, I think it was twenty years ago)

[@gabrielrussell5531]

Dimitri's troops turned themselves into Demonic Beasts without his prior knowledge, and against his wishes. He can't really discipline them for it because they're Demonic Beasts.

[@l.n.3372]

Yeah this is more on Dedue, and Dimitri didn't agree with the plan.

[@kellyjohana516]

The soldiers also went with the plan for the sake of the kingdom.

[@l.n.3372]

@@kellyjohana516 It definitely wasn't forced, unlike with the empire.

[@amiralfrancais3700]

It still kinda counts since Dimitri sort of accepted Dedue's resolve if i remember correctly. And even if Dimitri wouldn't be accounted for it, the kingdom as of itself would i guess. (I mean, Dimitri doesn't even get put on a trial anyway since he gets killed at the end of the chapter without anything being done to judge him first)

[@l.n.3372]

@@amiralfrancais3700 Edelgard orders to give the kingdom no quarter at the start of the Tailtean plains map. I don't remember if the KZbinr counted that or not.

[@Hebleh]

Now THIS will be a very fun video to hear, do villains do even more than the Heroes?

[@stryfe7467]

A suggestion I want to make, if you continue with content such as this, is perhaps throwing in a ranking at the end as a recap/summary.

[@faillincs]

I feel like rhea should get a count of child soldier usage for the last chapter of act 1 in crimson flower

[@willbill6942]

You're right, she absolutely should, I forgot about that.

[@GoldenRose116]

Dimitri was actually against using demonic beasts and didn't know about Dedue and the soldiers plan

[@MugenCannon97]

Warriors(1), Hopes, FEH's various villains (or just Kiran, really), and some other missing groups, like the Vallites for Revelation, Grimleal and Valmese for Awakening's other main antags, could make for a good follow up video, as they were neglected.

[@Dunkiep8]

How many sex crimes did Byleth commit behind the scenes? We'll never know

[@masonleite9504]

FE10: Begnion Senators: They also killed civilians and children in Daein during occupation (Chapter 1, Chapter 5 part 2) along with sometimes their own soldiers (Prologue ending), including dropping civilians in a swamp to drown (and trying to kill them off when the Dawn Brigade stepped in) in chapter 8. Plus they used the blood pact on Naesala and the Raven Kingdom as PoW. They also try and kill the unarmed queen of a neutral/allied kingdom (Elincia in Part 3). Not to mention they burn down a town in Crimea in Part 3 just before this (although this attack wasn't supposed to happen so you could give them a pass there).

[@waynemidnight7454]

Claude actually might have a few. Lysjthia is 15 in Act 1 of Three Houses, qualifying him for Child Soldiers. Also, Ryoma has deployed Sakura. Also a child solider.

[@juicyjuustar121]

Well, theres two potential reasons for that not counting: 1. Part 1 of Three Houses doesn't take place during wartime, so it can't be a war crime. 2. This video is referring exclusively to what Claude does as an antagonist, and he's only an antagonist in Part 2, where Lysithea is an adult.

[@willbill6942]

Yeah, I was under the impression that Sakura was a child in my first video as well, but a comment pointed out that she'd have to be at least 16 due to how the events of fates play out.

[@LoudWaffle]

@@willbill6942 I think considering Elise and Sakura to be children for the purposes of these videos was a good call. Their "I'm of legal age!" disclaimer has always felt hamfisted at best, and trying to logic together any canon ages for the Fates characters is just a shortcut to a concussion.

[@faillincs]

@@juicyjuustar121the last chapter before act 1 ends is at the start of the war

[@roybutepicgamersauce]

For FE6 i feel you could add taking hostages for when they took King Mordred hostage to force Douglas and Percival to fight Roy's army

[@roybutepicgamersauce]

Also another one that maybe doesnt count since Wagner wasnt part of Bern but since i read someone mentioning him i would also like to point out that when Sue mentions that on top of being taken hostage the castle guards had done her wrong which may point to outrage of dignity Btw i forgot to mention but cool video i remember watching the last one last week last week so i was really exicted when i found this one today🙏

[@EdwardoFE]

you forgot that later in the FE8 in-game guide it states that you can safely ignore the Geneva convention if you feel like it.

[@doubledalpaca1738]

waitt is that true?

[@myguy4203]

care to back up that statement with a source?

[@zxylo786]

​@@myguy4203The source is me.

[@henrycarr8714]

8:16 She was also compelled to fight against her country

[@DustyPhantom-ne5hy]

I haven't played Conquest, but the whole situation with Anankos and Garon gets a little sticky since Garon was being controlled by Anankos and compelled to attack his own nation.

[@MayorofHopeville]

I dispute the Dimitri use of demonic beasts. In Crimson flowers where he would have the right of mind it was his subordinate's encourgement and personal use.

[@Flutterdark_]

YO WARCRIIIIIIMES (my reaction when seeing this video show up in my feed)

[@SkyBrickStudios]

bro's first Fire Emblem was the best one...

[@willbill6942]

Based fellow Judgral enjoyer!

[@stevenchoza6391]

You forgot two counts of genocide for Those Who Slither in The Dark. One against the Nabateans, another against the people of Duscur which they instigated to coverup their involvement with the Tragedy of Duscur.

[@Idkmanitsaname]

Now we jsut need a "How many war crimes does each fire emblem tactician commit" to round it all out

[@ttme1234]

Hahaha I was not expecting the senate to be the highest ranked in war crimes here. There are definitely a few missing from some of these, but overall a decent summary. I think some games might be missing more than others.

[@nickfab9871]

didn't Nhor commit Perfidy when they kidnaped Corrin and killed Sumiragi? plus there's the whole Freezing of Izumo

[@Clepston]

11:33 that font size change 💀💀💀

[@someonesomebody5483]

advance wars antagonists are laughing in the back right now

[@raikaria3090]

On the explosion of the channel; it seems Warcrimes/rulebreaking videos in general do very well. For example; BumblesMcFumbles exploded with his Punch-Out Rule Breaking video.

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

Couldn't necromancy fall under the Geneva Convention's ban on desecrating corpses?

[@kamichaos3020]

Was Dimitri actually aware of the crest stones? He seemed surprised when Dedue used it.

[@astropond5081]

Geneva is about to cry

[@deltaflamestorm7400]

have you played "Radiant Historia Perfect Chronology " I remember playing it because the cover reminded me of Awakening, Fates, and Echoes. of course the game was nothing like Fire Emblem, but the story was so confusing.

[@ranger24ff]

I don’t think I saw Walmart on the list or did I just miss that? Were Grima and Validar grouped under Gangrel? While I personally would count Edelgard and the Agarthans separately due to the nature of the relationship the judgement has been made here as it is ultimately your video. I would not do the same with Rudolf and Arvis however as there is no implication that they are being compelled or under threat of violence against themselves or others.

[@l.n.3372]

Considering Arvis actively saved children with Ishtar, and he secretly gave Seliph the Tyrfing knowing it would lead to his death, I don't understand how you can claim he's not separate from the Loptyr cult. Edelgard never lifted a finger to warn people about the slithers in part 1. She let everything happen and stayed silent. She also doesn't betray them til after she wins the war. But Arvis betrays them DURING the war, while KNOWING he'll die in the war. Because Arvis actually cared about the greater good. Edelgard cared only about her victory and the slithers are necessary for this.

[@ranger24ff]

@@l.n.3372 unless it’s 3 hopes. Then she’ll screw then over because the opportunity to be rid of them early pops up, mostly because they’ve already been exposed and there is a brief window where they have no agents at the Monastery compared to three houses where Solon and then Kronya are basically around 24/7 when Thales isn’t popping in to pay a visit.

[@l.n.3372]

@@ranger24ff Hate to break it to you buddy. But 3 Hopes isn't canon and it certainly doesn't impact her culpability in 3 Houses. And even if you enjoy 3 Hopes, you seem to be forgetting that Edelgard has more than enough war crimes there too. She still starts a meaningless war. Only here she DOESN'T have the excuse of being manipulated by Thales. In Hopes, she's 100% culpable for every single crime without the excuse of Thales to fall back on anymore. This means that she has no excuse for the war when she already fixed the empire. It proves beyond a shadow of doubt that she was always a tyrant seeking power and NOT reform. Because she DID reform the empire and it wasn't good enough. It's never enough for imperialist dictator conquerors.

[@ranger24ff]

@@l.n.3372 except that the war starts because Rhea started sending assassins after Edelgard’s officials in the southern church in response to Edelgard’s reforms which threatened Rhea’s status quo. Mind you Edelgard knew Rhea would do exactly that which is why she put Count Varley in that position. But yes this does make her culpable for her own actions in 3 hopes, at least until the half way point in azure gleam where from there on out she’s straight up mind controlled. As for 3 hopes not being canon it is basically an alternate timeline but it is written by the same team so i consider it to be in character. It also demonstrates some clear details, namely that Edelgard knows throughout three houses that she is always being watched by the Agarthans. Solon came back as Tomas to spy on the church but also keep an eye on her. Then Kronya got slipped in after Jeritza was intentionally exposed as the death knight so Solon could carry out his experiments in Remire. Pretty much right until Kronya killed Jeralt (by which point Edelgard seems to have all but given up hope of getting out of this mess) things have progressed to far and she can’t back out. The very next chapter she’s crowned and the war begins. Three hopes may be a “what if” but it was clearly written as these characters would act given the situation.

[@l.n.3372]

@@ranger24ff Look, I'm not gonna waste my time arguing about 3 Hopes and its shitty writing. It acts like Claude without Byleth would become as bad as Edelgard. But that's breaking canon because we KNOW Claude doesn't need Byleth to be a good person. 3H already proves as much on non VW routes. Thus, Hopes was never trying to be accurate or canonical. It's just an alt universe set in Fodlan. Not canon.

[@shezshezshezshez7001]

It’s inconsistent that you use Robin, who only takes orders and is a tactician for Chrom (the main character) Whereas for FE7, Lyn, Hector, and Elwood use Marc as their tactician. Either all 3 should be combined under Marc, or Robin should be listed under Chrom since Robin is not and never was the main character.

[@aleisterleopold6229]

Did you check three hopes for the three house leaders? Could Leon get one for there sudden invasion of there ally? Then killing their king I wonder how Ludvek, Aelfric, and Rafal would fare

[@therealjaystone2344]

For a warriors game, it would be near impossible to count since it’s by thousands of enemies being armed

[@aleisterleopold6229]

@@therealjaystone2344 maybe not that. But you are able to tell what happens during the story or map objectives. Like on Asure gleam, after Edelgard disappears/is somehow mind controlled, the empire starts slaughtering there own populace. In Edelgard's route, Claude can potentially betray you if the player doesn't do something. There is probably some forcing people to fight there too. Also maybe some fire attacks on the siege of geric mach

[@therealjaystone2344]

@@aleisterleopold6229 luckily hope’s isn’t canon at all

[@DestinyYlisse]

Enemy Team in FEH *has child units in it* Me:War Crime:Child Enlistment, you must be 18 or older to enlist in the military!

[@Crimson-Hat]

These guys lost. They 100% committed war crimes. We won so we write the history.

[@plasticold2167]

I'm pretty sure you can convincingly accuse Lekain of attempted genocide as well. And Lehran for that matter. Purposely causing the purge of all sentient beings counts as genocide, right?

[@astracrits4633]

Honestly, you could probably argue that the Senate *already* committed/incited genocide when they nearly wiped out the herons.

[@plasticold2167]

@@astracrits4633 Yeah, that's what I was referring to with Lekain. Probably should have made that clearer. Him and the senate are clear-cut responsible for inciting and encouraging the genocide of the people of Serenes to cover up their assassination of the apostle. He wasn't complicit with Lehran's own plot, though, so at most we can just say he was an unwitting accomplice in the potential war crime of trying to wipe out civilization as a whole.

[@myguy4203]

Will Bill: 3:50 The Loptyr Sect: Whaat? Nooo, *_DUUUDE_*

[@KINGD353]

Dimitri wasn't aware of the demonic beasts being used. That was dedue, and his soldiers call, so it's arguable if Dimitri should be blamed for that. Also since I'm commenting anyway I'm ashamed In you for not listing those you feel were still compelled to fight against their homes. I find expecting us to read through an entire comment section lazy, and even if you didn't wanna verbally list them you could've atleast put their name or picture up in the background for a second or 2