How Mike Holmes Saved Jim and Helen's Kitchen from Collapse | Holmes on Homes 106

[@missnickelbee7789]

I just finished watching his newer series holmes inspection, and New Orleans. I miss these days when he just started his show and was interested in teaching ... i love his oldest stuff

[@PeterParker-df6ce]

8:40 Clean shaven Frank! He's my favorite. I love watching him trying not to blow a gasket over this week's horrible electric systems. Bless you Frank!

[@patsgarage8593]

He looks like a baby in this one lol

[@marktimmons6149]

Always love watching Mike Holmes when come to working on houses. I am watching from TN.

[@rogerweaver7686]

When my kids were selecting a contractor to build their home I told them to go look at the contractors current projects and pay close attention to the fit and finish of their framing. Tight joints, nails showing and straight cuts. If a carpenter has the skills and takes the time to get the stuff you don't see right, he will get the stuff you will see right.

[@ncooty]

I agree with your general principle, though it's unlikely that the framing carpenter is the finish carpenter. Cabinetry is a whole other level. Different skills, different tools, different tolerances, different pros.

[@jillmondt5398]

Structure first. I dig Holmes logic.

[@lechatbotte.]

If Mike told me to put in a column I’d put it in. Seriously not going to take up that much space in the basement but it will strengthen the floor above.

[@mikebuttrick194]

That small post takes up 3 or 4 ins makes all the difference

[@Tigerr57]

I think they call that structure 101

[@debbiepayne9177]

That is the cutest helper of yours l have ever seen! Lol ❤ 🤗

[@edwardsimmons3721]

Always love watching these type of shows. Wish the series had new ones also.

[@johnscamardo2145]

I have to agree with Mike on this ascetics aside i would have wanted a cent post even if i had to work around it .At least I would know that there would not be any future problems

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

Yeah just because something can live without a load bearing wall/pillar doesn't mean it should. Probably increase the life of the house another 20 years without major maintenance to have the pillar.

[@seanhazelwood3311]

@@JustaGuy_Gaming Correct. Pull a non load bearing perpendicular wall from an older house and see if that ceiling doesn't sag or even collapse, regardless of trusses. I've seen both.

[@Mandren]

Unique problem for homes built with basements. In my area, it's all on slab foundations without basements, so 50 people is nothing. But it's interesting what different climates and soil types have made building practices in different regions.

[@mangos2888]

As someone in a state full of basements, slab on grade or crawlspaces seem unique to me

[@JeffDeWitt]

And did you notice the underfloor heating pipes? I live in North Carolina and I'd be surprised if anyone here has underfloor heating like that, we are more concerned about air conditioning.

[@dzymslizzy3641]

San Francisco has very strict building codes, with earthquakes in mind. Even older public buildings have been retrofitted by law. In fact, the majority of California cities have codes based on earthquake resistance.

[@berkleyman1]

What I can see, the architect dropped the ball. Center island with a large granite slab requires doubling all the joist underneath to carry the extra load. 2x8-12' 16" on center meets minimum code if they are douglas fir/hemlock which carry a heavier load. SPF (spruce pine fir) lumber is not as strong. Species of wood makes a huge difference. Also the span tables are being shorted since the wood we now get isn't as strong as it used to be. We get new growth (younger trees) now while in yesterdays we had old growth which was much stronger. More tree rings when comparing the same size of lumber. A floor of this design make the design for stiffness of 1/360 deflection factor (1" deflection with a 360" span length of run) but gives a bouncy floor. You might get away with a slightly bouncy floor if it is carpeted and less noticed. You need to ask the home owner a lot of questions. If they lived a house with a on grade concrete slab they are used to a very stiff floor. Design it 1/540 for a stiffer, less bouncy floor and if you are going to tile the floor. If doing stone flooring design it 1/720 for minimum movement. Had they done a tile or stone floor they would have had a real nightmare to deal with. The steel beam should have been at least the next size large in depth and solid wood framing bolted into both sides of the web. Then using joist hangers this would limit any rotational forces on the beam and any joist movements. I hope they used pex-aluminum-pex for the under floor heating. If using just pex tubing it expands more than the pex-aluminum-pex and makes for a noisy install with the change in temperature. Make sure you use oxygen barrier pex for the heating at minimum. The aluminum automatically give you the oxygen barrier. Feedback from Minnesota as we have some kick ass codes that are statewide and are also minimums. Everything I build usually exceeds building code. With the lawsuits, liability, insurance, etc. your ass is always on the line. If you work on something (a deck for example) that is not up to code, you need to bring it up to minimum code requirements. You are the last one to touch it, you own it. An example of another local contractor that put new composite deck boards on an old existing deck but didn't bring things up to code. (joist hangers, tie ins to the building, bracing, etc.) The home owners then had a large deck party and it collapsed from the second floor sending several people to the hospital which cost him $65,000.00 out of his own pocket and damn near cost him his contractors license being pulled by the department of labor and industries. CYA

[@Real_Moon-Moon]

What’s your profession if I may ask? I’m studying to become an architect myself.

[@ncooty]

Great comment.

[@ncooty]

Totally agree with Mike. "Minimum code requirement" is basically just "Well, it won't kill you." The problem is that customers don't know what quality is. Appearances are all they know... until quality slaps them in the face... and the contractor is long, long gone.

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[@maggiem4734]

Oh wow! This is an old, old episode cause Frank looks so young.

[@garyflythe1362]

50 people in a kitchen. You heard him say it was up too code the minimum. I always say it Mike is a drama queen he's a good act no bad actor.

[@jeffhoward1000]

Minimum Code is just that bare minimum. If you want to have something that lasts a few hundred years go above and beyond the current code and think about what future code might be

[@Cheepchipsable]

Yes, how many homes have 50 people in their house? To be fair he does mainly use the phrase "up to code". Codes tend to be about best practices and preventing damage, injury or death through design, even though it might be a remote possibility. If there is a 1 in 10 million chance of someone dying, and you have 100 million homes, it means 10 people will die. If simply rerouting a wire or putting it in a junction box will prevent that, then why not - a few minutes and cents to prevent a death

[@jeffhoward1000]

@@Cheepchipsable depending on an event like funeral or wedding

[@lilcourtny08]

​@@Cheepchipsablebirthdays or holidays. Are you people hermits

[@seanhazelwood3311]

@@lilcourtny08 Well, you just saw what 50 ppl did to that floor, so Cheep is obviously correct.

[@joycealgood8418]

love me some Mike ❤

[@ncooty]

Joistses?

[@randyhome1544]

Thanks

[@geoffsutton78]

I love your program and have for years. I don't know if you can answer this but I have a 120 yr old house which is 25x24. I have a large supported beam in the centre. The floor joists are rough cut 2x10 with cross braces (X, not straight across 2x10) between the joists. Like this one the floor is bouncy. Can I fix this using proper cross bracing or do I need to laminate another 2x10 to the originals? I know it's tough to answer without looking but since I am in Northwestern Ontario (Thunder Bay) your best guess would I think far outweigh mine. Thanks :)

[@seanhazelwood3311]

2x10 can span 12' no problem, especially old true 2"x10". So if it's bouncy, the joists are either rotten or termite damage. Check the sill plates and center beam also. X-bracing is actually better for preventing joists twisting than simple straight blocks. Have it inspected and do what your local codes require.

[@geoffsutton78]

@@seanhazelwood3311 Thanks. No termites but will look for dry rot. Will get it inspected.

[@Cheepchipsable]

Just some duct tape reinforced with twisty nails and very thick oil based paint should do it. Don't use latex paint, that just dangerous!

[@yvettekinchking8838]

Mike is a gorgeous man 😊

[@ronaldhudson169]

Why does the nailgun spark or flash?

[@chrisgodfrey1128]

Two lvl posts and a lvl beam should have worked. By notching the 2x10 it's just a double 2x8. Maybe I missed something?

[@gleff3345]

The owners were stubborn and wished to not have a post. Mike should just have placed one. My living room has a post cause a wall was removed.

[@sachadee.6104]

I was thinking the same.. The extra 2 inches are just hanging out there. Where there is contact with wall + steel beam, it's 8 inch, like the rest. hmmm.

[@131dyana]

Wow that was a dangerous floor. It was built wrong. Holmes made it right.

[@GeorgeZ213]

Contractors who do shoddy work, and especially those who do dangerous work should lose their licenses. Inspects should too if they pass shoddy/dangerous work.

[@Cheepchipsable]

Anything is dangerous when you overload it.

[@billsrq1788]

Hello from Siesta Key Florida

[@ncooty]

I missed Shawn & Benji in later episodes. They were great.

[@Mike-d6u9u]

Home owners fav word is AH 😂

[@davidmarshall5603]

I live in the UK, and mine are all 3 by 10 .

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

What do you call Shoddy Contractor work? Job security.

[@chriss-nf1bd]

They could have arched the steel beam. Strengthening the beam...

[@kamnapavon4638]

"If I don't try to Help them, they Could wind up in the Crawl Space..." I don't mind Draw the line, then draw me an arrow Feelin' fine Then I'll see you my friend Over and over again

[@drakemasta9655]

they should have 3 lvls of code..... minimum- used for stuff like baby barns and other tiny structures medium - used for residential and some commercial structures high - used for rich residences, majority commerical and all industrial

[@Rusty_Gold85]

what century is this from ? it has no pixels

[@deydreamer]

Homeowner mentioned they have guests of 30 persons * 75kg's average = 2250 KG's, the weight of a F-150. Would the homeowners consider parking a truck over wooden structure thinking it'll hold? Probably not. Contractor did the legal minimum and unless the homeowners specified to overbuild, contractor did nothing wrong.

[@dodgeguyz]

I think the crack in the floor is from it being heated! Ask around, wood floors should not be heated for the exact reason of expansion and contraction! I think that’s what caused that crack in the floor.

[@ncooty]

Interesting thought. I'll have to follow up on that. Thanks for posting it.

[@robertmailhos8159]

That's not a bouncey castle it's a kitchen

[@tamiesimmons2475]

Do you ever work outside of Canada

[@billm.8220]

Mike has done work in Cal. & Louisiana.

[@DRS-TOOLS]

cool

[@ElsieDee001]

What about all that extra weight on the I-beam? How much weight will an I-beam bare? Mike’s right. It does need a center post.

[@VDRP]

Hey the intro isn't sped up!

[@JeffDeWitt]

I think these are legit, the ones that are sped up are bootleg and the uploader does that to get past the copyright bots.

[@chriss-nf1bd]

My guess the Home owners didn't tell contractor they entertain laage numbers.

[@seanhazelwood3311]

Code is the Minimum. Also, an average family of 5 would have had no issues. 50 people in a home kitchen is ridiculous.

[@ExperimentsOfThought]

Minimum code is for insoles’ level of activity. Not social people 😆

[@michaelvanhorn3271]

I am sorry 35 to 50 people in a home is insane, I can't imagine abusing my home like that

[@Mystress1980]

​@@michaelvanhorn3271 Some of us come from big families. It wasn't unusual to have 30 relatives at Christmas, and that was just the immediate family with spouses and kids.

[@michaelvanhorn3271]

@@Mystress1980 yes, but it then becomes your responsibility to make sure the structure is safe for that many people as it is not even close to normal today.

[@karenshort3880]

It called a Party. And a lot of people do parties in their home. But they should have told the contractor to let them know they do Parties in their home.

[@ThePlockets]

I don't understand why Mike didn't push the foolish homeowners harder to put a post in the basement to make everything secure forever. You need an open concept in an ugly unfinished basement, really? The 2x10 sistering will just mean it takes longer for the floor to sag into that unsupported area, but gravity will win eventually.

[@karenshort3880]

Make sure your contractor know how many people will be in your house

[@cherylkurucz8852]

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[@elainerussell924]

You know the word Meniman that's the actual work you do and take all the credit !😈

[@TheWhale45]

1 inch plywood glued and screwed.

[@ps603]

Hence the reason I NEVER endorse any workers. Cause something will always go wrong & there will be hard feelings.

[@timwilliams3662]

Why would you not use four by sixes five times stronger

[@MB-hc2xw]

Joistsis... uhhh

[@jasonhowe1697]

me when i see crap like this i think 24 foot span should have 4 i--beams every 6 foot to carry load, and floor in basement should have a min code of 3 foot around the whole home as a a footing brace..

[@elainerussell924]

Wow Mike has a tool in his hand !😁

[@Cheepchipsable]

Well obviously he has become on of an overseer in later programs. I expect he has many projects on the go.

[@elainerussell924]

@@Cheepchipsable I want to be a Overseer get all the credit and the big bucks on someone else's hard skills !!😠

[@Scubamike4499]

That is exactly what a general contractor does.

[@elainerussell924]

@@Scubamike4499 yeah talk a good job and take all the credit while the real craftsman do the real work !😡

[@jamesjohn4425]

The "BEAM" repair was useless!! 1: start with thicker /stronger , wider flange beam ! 2: Gusset beam + build in a slight camber ⬆️ ! 3 : Use a "Fabrication Steel Shop " plus " Mechanical Engineer " to design the beam with minimum of + 20% designed load requirements !! AKA : Don't think just enough (" code minimum ") ! Think long term when you will be to old to care or repair !!

[@binks2413]

Using nails! This is before screw it and glue it lol

[@helookalikaman79]

Tar paper? yeah that sounds like in the heat the houses smells like a tar pit

[@Rusty_Gold85]

why do they build high just to get a basement ? Makes no sense

[@jssa-jz7er]

Your live stream is frozen

[@fredericksweet]

Could not take the suburban life so they went back to the city and tried to expand? Other than being Canadian why would people do that?

[@maples328]

Lol 😂, that’s literally more people than my graduating class plus teachers. I’m willing to bet 9 outta 10 homes 🏡 would have that issue in the real world

[@gaviny-w3569]

Why do civilian society have minimal code when it is definitely NOT ENOUGH! So much for a "civilized" society! Dumb too 😅😁😁😁?

[@seanhazelwood3311]

It IS enough for a normal family of five, it wasn't designed for Fifty.

[@delyn13]

The floor was just fine it was built great until the homeowner did exactly what the contractor told them not to do when they decided to throw a party in the KITCHEN WITH 50 PEOPLE FFS u don't do that Mike is blaming the contractor when he should be blaming the homeowner and he shouldn't have helped them out there are consequences to doing wrong

[@melissapowell1841]

Did you watch this? The contractor never told them not to have that many people in the area. Mike took one look and said it was designed incorrectly. Beams too far apart without a support pole. And one person made the floor move. Even without 50 people there would have been issues. If the contractor had told them that then he knew he hadn't done it right.

[@man-bagdammit2297]

The issue was they built the kitchen on floor joists that were over spanned 2x8s / 16 inch on centre. Had it been built with 2x10s / 12 inch on centre over the eye beam they would have likely had zero issues. A centre post would have lessened the issues even more. The home owners admitted at the end of the show they were more worried about aesthetics of the basement ceiling then the strength of the floor.

[@Mystress1980]

Also, they said 35-40 people. Mike was the one that kept saying 50, and I believe that's referring to what minimum code says a floor must be able to handle.

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@Mystress1980Minimum code wouldn't state weights, it would be supports and beams size etc, over certain distances. 35+ people in one room it way beyond normal. Like someone trying to pull a tanker with an electric scooter then complaining it's badly designed.

[@ohdee970]

Good thing they only had 50 friends...