How Mormon Leaders Manipulate Meaning

[@conniet9288]

I was raised Mormon and while I resigned for many reasons, my integrity is ultimately why I left. I kept the good beliefs of just being a good person and left all the gaslighting behind

[@amberonstine1447]

SAME

[@jamybailey]

Yes! It was so gross that I was shunned by members for doing WHAT THE CHURCH TAUGHT ME!

[@ericreed4535]

Intellectual honesty and LDS indoctrination are incompatible. I chose IH.

[@othersheep5491]

Yep! My integrity, and top leaderships’ frightful lack of it. Elder Oaks sealed it with a kiss. Hold my baby. He really got my goat with the electro-shock therapy lie, right in front of lesbians and Jesus. He took the whole thing, Q-15 and all, right down the toilet. That’s when I knew they all bloody knew. The harm these monsters do FAR outweighs the good. FAR. If the only reason I were to be born is to declare it, so be it. Those boys are sellin’ rattle snake oil, tearing apart families, and hoarding the billions. Were there a hell, there would be a special place for them there, where they could stand up on their feet for time and all eternity, bent over, filing Satan’s hot, HOT toenails

[@rebuildingmylife400]

SAME

[@pukitaki]

"Integrity" in the church is equivalent to "Loyalty TO the church leadership, regardless of the gospel".

[@Zodiacalesotericmatrix]

It's similar to integrity within the police. The blue line gang creates a divide between them and the public. There's very little transparency and honesty, thus zero integrity.

[@99blackbirds]

I love the Gospel of Jesus Christ... the church SUCKS!!!

[@8chuz]

There’s a lot of leaders at the COB who have lost their integrity and their courage to do the right thing.

[@Zodiacalesotericmatrix]

@pukitaki Loyalty and obedience are mandatory, the gospel is just an appendage, an auxiliary.

[@99blackbirds]

@@Zodiacalesotericmatrix YES! Thats what every KING & "dictator" has preached and practiced.

[@woodystube1000]

As an exmo, one of the biggest problems I have today with the church is watching its leaders say, “obey/listen to/follow/ never question Jesus”. Since they speak directly for Jesus, they really mean “obey/listen to/ never question ME.” Now that I realize that, I can’t unsee it.

[@monicacall7532]

Thanks Nemo for trying to hold the church accountable. You’re doing everyone a service by calling out the leaders when they need to be-which, lately, is all of the time.

[@townsendv58]

@@monicacall7532 Sopt on and well said.

[@pattykake7195]

The best way to call them out for their lies is to resign….👍🏽

[@amybaker1880]

@@pattykake7195 Most have, but some feel called to stay and get the church back on track. That was how I first dismissed my doubts, I'd say that I believed things could be course corrected. Having apologists defend those wrong things shows the course was not corrected.

[@pattykake7195]

@@amybaker1880 Sadly holding that corrupt organisation to account is futile, and a waste of energy…🥱

[@nathanaeldavenport2251]

I understood integrity when I was in the church the same way I do now… it’s that definition of integrity that forced my hand and led to my resignation when I discovered that the leaders of the church were not being totally honest. I was taught that I should follow the rules and be a good neighbor and citizen. I never perceived any kind of disconnect between the will of God and my being a completely truthful person. And it NEVER occurred to me that the leaders of the church might be doing something behind closed doors other than what they were teaching me. It makes sense why though… I was taught that they were above criticism. I was specifically admonished that finding any fault in them at all was sinful. And it didn’t occur to me that something was off because they seemed so perfect and “Christ-like.” The deception still stings. I still can’t believe how naive I was.

[@sheliabryant3997]

@nathanaeldavenport. 😭😭 We were so many who were fooled, whether seduced or produced. Learning to forgive ourselves includes realizing that our GOD, the LORD Jesus Christ WAS ALWAYS IN OUR CORNER, drawing us to Himself, step by clumsy, terrifying, raving lunatic, furious step. 💕💕💕

[@kittiemarie1235]

I’m sorry that it still hurts, I understand what you mean.

[@kittiemarie1235]

@@sheliabryant3997yes!

[@bodytrainer1crane730]

Amen!

[@monicacall7532]

@@nathanaeldavenport2251 same here. It’s distressing to discover that you’ve been duped for so long. I always got the “look how your ancestors suffered in order to join the early church” lectures as a kid and as an adult whenever I complained about the sketchy doings and behaviors of church leaders from my TBM mom. Everything that I complained about has been proven to be true. If my ancestors had known the truth when they lived in Europe and England they would never have joined the church in the first place. Many actually left the church after they got here because of polygamy (which nearly destroyed both sides of my family) and other issues that the missionaries hadn’t bothered to tell them in “the old country”. I was taught to look down on them because they “weren’t faithful”. Frankly, I’m proud of them for just saying “No!” to polygamy and the unrighteous dominion of women in general. And then there were the pesky doctrines like Adam/God and blood atonement that really freaked them out too. Unfortunately, the ancestors were too poor to return home, so here I am.

[@MegaJohn144]

Integrity means living what you believe. The opposite of integrity is hypocrisy.

[@barbiechopshop9538]

I think Aleister Crowley would agree... Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Every man and every woman is a star. Love is the law, love under will. For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect ~ The Book of the Law

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

Hypocrisy lives in you.

[@MomtoAutism]

I have slowly been shunned by online LDS friends and family as I post subtle criticism of the LDS church using my real identity, while my local area increasingly sends missionaries and primary leaders reaching out to my minor children. Hey, everyone, we are OK, happy and content with our full knowledge of the truth of gospel claims. Carry On😂. Thanks Nemo!

[@thomasmaughan4798]

Yes, that is a choice one makes and I respect those that do so openly rather than carrying on being a bishop but secretly apostate.

[@sheliabryant3997]

@TricuaEllinger. 🌈. As do I. Tho' being censored more and more. What a cheap shot about anonymous posts! It is THEY who plant the little gremlins and gargoyles throughout the comments to distract listeners and engage them in commen-bat so that their attention is drawn from the T R U T H being exposed about the church. He's fine with social media when he wants BOAST-FESTS sent out by fully dressed and professed Mormons in hopes of pricking the envy button in every human brain and teasing them along with a Broadway-worthy depiction of the "BLESSINGS" that spill over the dams of heaven right into your living-room if you join up with

[@kittiemarie1235]

One time my dad talked bad on this one persons dad for suddenly leaving his position as a seminary teacher, saying he had lost belief in the church. Other Mormons were chiming in and they were all smearing this poor man on a public platform that his children could see. So I left a message saying that I would rather see someone in the role of seminary teacher who believed than someone who didn’t, and that I respected the man for his decision to leave. Then I said I hope they all prayed about that they said. Other than my step siblings coming at me, nobody else said anything. My father was a high priest and I was an adult not living there anymore. I just couldn’t believe they would go on to bully someone for leaving like it was a personal affront to them. Sad.

[@ericreed4535]

Good on you Tricia!! Prioritizing intellectual honesty is more valuable than "conditional" friendships who require you believe in their favorite myth. All the best!!

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@ericreed4535 "friendships who require you believe in their favorite myth" People of the Left require strict conformity to the morality of the day. Libertarians, on the other hand, understand and accept differences; sometimes embrace differences.

[@pattykake7195]

Thankfully more and more people are seeing this leadership gaslighting for the rubbish it is…👍🏽👍🏽

[@AnonymousPrime1085]

No wonder that, of the age group 35-55, already half the members have left the church. Thank you for your part in establishing the facts and clarifying the reality. For all human beings, agency is only possible if they can access true information and give unmanipulated consent.

[@desiadaven]

Oh say what is truth? It's something we can always count on Nemo delivering! Thanks, as always, for your excellent work!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

My pleasure!

[@jamesisaacson6379]

​​@@NEMOTHEMORMON question your mormon can you explain to me Mormon beliefs what happen after death becouse I herd ex Mormon say that you guy beliefs in multiply realm of afterlife like 3 different hevan a place like purgatory and place to be held until angel can come to tell you gospel so can you explain step by step what happen to soul after death also what these about Mormon take second baptize for some who has already died? I hope you see my question and have time to answer them it would be great appreciated.

[@jeffsaxton716]

Having been born into it, I decided to do an experiment. I placed myself in the boots of one who had never heard of Mormonism. Result? I'm now a free agent.

[@ChrisFBartlett]

Brilliant and concise as always, Nemo. Any organization that redefines the word “truth“, then defines how to decide if something is true, then casts anyone who has a different definition of truth, as antagonistic, will need to check the dictionary for the definition of “cult”.

[@bryancsimmons]

The way Nelson ducks out of the hat so quickly and puts it aside always gets me. "Wow, what did I just do, out my head in a hat? I'm a doctor."

[@rodneyhuckaby8716]

I know. I’m sure he too feels stupid doing it. That’s why it is so funny, because you can tell Nelson is embarrassed doing it, and saying it. He just had to say it so people don’t accuse the church of hiding stuff that they’ve been hiding for 190 plus years.

[@aliceaubalmasque3645]

Yes! It sounds very suspicious... How can he believe such a fable? and want us to believe it? that's not integrity at all!

[@Grey-x2c]

@bryancsimmons its fact of science that magical powers allow seer see in hat. Science bro its science well if you are head science Byu lol

[@thatcat8442]

Great trailer. Well done!

[@MissMomo777]

Integrity is one of the "Values" in young women's (or at least it was while I attended), and the definition given at that time was "do the right thing, even when no one is watching" Self policing. 😮‍💨

[@debbieshrubb1222]

Ironic that the leaders don't follow their own counsel.

[@conniet9288]

@MissMomo777 exactly. I remember that was how I was taught too.

[@moxofien]

Watching sister Bednars husband speak, I have a distinct impression he is very proud of how he speaks

[@kellybrandon1179]

Sister Bednar could change the world. ... I support women's lib

[@sheliabryant3997]

@moxofien. sister bed's husband 😂🤣.

[@Hayilkasdorf]

You nailed it!!

[@markschulthies9387]

Again, quality work Nemo. Concise and clear. This is why I follow your channel and am a monthly donor. Yes, I went to church today and enjoyed your work. I’m not buying into re-defined terms and the meaning of words. I fully recognize the importance of truth (it’s classic definition).

[@TheodusJ.Whoopie]

Thank you Nemo for being awesome ❤️❤️❤️

[@chandralaframboise963]

Well done, all excellent points 👏👏

[@pneuma_23-rb4dx]

In just under 13 minutes Nemo has offered some legitimate food for thought on the integrity of the LDS church. If you're a believing member of the church you will find a way to prove him wrong. If you're an outsider learning or investigating the church you will be concerned. Follow your gut if you're concerned, your intuition will serve you well.

[@WellnessMealsWater]

I played the paid ministry portion on this video and my TBM defended it meaning the local leaders aren't paid. Yet he already agreed when I learned the mission presidents up are paid VERY well that we had never been told that anyone was ever paid anything! 😢

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Would not buy a used car from Bednar....

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Would not buy a used car from Bednar." Is he selling one? I've been looking for such a thing.

[@michaellines2063]

Or Ballard or almost any other general authority.

[@sheliabryant3997]

​​@@thomasmaughan4798 Look for yellow EDSELS. They were Ballard's speciality.

[@walkinonsunshine4292]

Or from Wilcox or Corbitt.

[@Flipflopskipskop]

Truth is truth. 2+2= 4 because it is the truth.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"2+2= 4 because it is the truth." No, because it is a DEFINITION. How about 1+1=10? Yep, really, it does. The computer you are using right now depends upon that phenomenon. "Truth is truth" And blue is blue. For any X, X==X is always true. It is a tautology.

[@ToddMiller-nl2wn]

The sad part is that when I was active in the church we did our upmost to live by such things as honesty, integrity and other values. Sad to see that the General Authorities consider themselves exempt from this because of purported marching orders from God. Keep up the good work, Nemo!

[@richardjones1699]

I enjoy nemo's format as is.

[@townsendv58]

Thanks, Nemo. Shifty and kniving. Sums LDs leaders up.

[@jacobbuzan374]

“I rose up, and in a plain and forcible manner told them that Joseph was a Prophet and I knew it, and that they might rail and slander him as much as they pleased, [but] they could not destroy the appointment of the Prophet of God; they could only destroy their own authority, cut the thread that bound them to the Prophet and to God, and sink themselves to hell." Quote from Brigham Young. Still rings true to this day.

[@Grey-x2c]

@jacobbuzan374 reminds me chiwawa in taco b ell

[@jacobbuzan374]

@@Grey-x2c chiwawas don't exist 🤣

[@josephaposhian8688]

Hey guys. Me and my best friend have been active in the church our whole lives. We’re 22 and 23 respectively for reference. And we’ve always been on the fence on certain things, especially since we are both biracial and have always had a lot of issues about Race and the Priesthood to name one thing. But recently we have been trying to be more honest with ourselves and looking at the church as a whole with objectivity…and it pains me to say but this video resonates so well with me and it’s part of the reason why I seem to be “losing my faith”. My love for Jesus and for others and has never changed, but somehow along the way the church has and now I’m the bad guy seemingly for not fitting in the mold I once did. And it’s just so hard because there should only be truth and falsehoods, not a mix of both which is what seems to be happening so much in the church and with many places these days and it’s exhausting and I’m just beyond tired. Like. Truth and Gods truth have always been the same and yet the church seems to be a hypocrite to itself and yet they say you’re the hypocrite for doubting.

[@rebeccahaleswilliams]

There is still a lot of truth (Book of Mormon, for example), but the church has moved away from the original teachings. Build your foundation on the rock of Jesus Christ and move out from there to discover what is solid ground and what is sand.

[@VitaNova6739]

Hi Joseph. I highly recommend this video that was produced by a friend of mine and was only uploaded 2 weeks ago. It documents the story of a woman who is going through a very similar journey to you. She discovered that Jesus is enough. The video is titled, "How a Relief Society President Found Rest in a Real Relationship with Jesus" and it's on the "Jesus Is Enough" KZbin channel.

[@happymom4ever]

This is such a great video, Nemo. Well done, as always.

[@peterreynolds3155]

Haha, like the horse re-definition comment. Very clever and precise analysis all over 👏

[@simeoncox8336]

"Which was not even a tithe" That cracked me up!

[@sarahpinho1114]

This is such an excellent presentaton, Nemo, thank you!! By the way, every time you show a clip of the church leaders talking, I actually get a visceral reaction, including nausea.. seeing Nelson's pasty white face with that quiet voice asking if they know what a "prophet" is, like he's addressing a kindergarten class.. I'm telling you I've still got some PTSD from being there for so long.

[@SevenLlamas]

Same here. Thought I was healed, but...

[@SilentThundersnow]

Yeah me too. I'm so glad you escaped the cult. 🫂

[@sheliabryant3997]

@saraphin. Hand me the buckets, too. 🤢 🤮 🤢 🤮 🤢 🤮

[@kurt666morris]

Every word you wrote is spot on accurate!! I'm 64 and next to right wing party hack Ezra Taft Benson, Nelson is the worst of all the so called Prophets. He needs to get over his petty feud with the late leader Hinckley, about whether Mormon was a pejorative bad word.

[@carolyearsley]

To this day, the thought of having to enter a Mormon building is frightening.

[@brandonbowers5592]

It seems like Jesus in the NT was very brief in His teachings, but the teachings were PROFOUND. Ever since the apostle Paul there has just been rules upon rules upon rules. Why can’t we just study the words of Jesus in the NT and try to live by them? Isn’t that good enough?

[@amybaker1880]

Not a believer in the BoM? When I discovered that there were books written by His other sheep, I seen confirmation of the NT. I love learning, hearing everyone's experience with Jesus. He didn't use the same words in each crowd, each lesson was relevant to the current situation and listeners.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

Everything we need to know is in the Sermon on the Mount. Avoid Pride..Lust..Greed..Anger and Worry and live in Peace. Forgive the past..Live one day at a time. Trust God for Tomorrow. The Father Knows what you need before you even ask and He Will Give it to You. Trust Him.

[@phillipcook3430]

Examples from Douglas Stilgoe: 1. The church has $150B of investements. Douglas assumes leaders of the church are greedy. 2. The church keeps on building temples: Douglas assigns the motive of Pres. Nelson building his legacy. 3. The church still has cases of abuse against children: Douglas assigns that the church doesn't care about children and ignores the laws of the lands and the complexity of the world we live in. 4. Joseph Smith married a 14 year old girl: Douglas assumes JS was a pedophile with no evidence that their was any sexual relationship. 5. Douglas has his records removed from the church. Douglas blames everyone else except himself. Almost every video Douglas has made assigns negative motives and reasons to all things LDS church. He has tons more of takes on the LDS church. In almost every case he assigns fairly negative motives as well as a lot of his followers. Watch his videos and take notes. You will see how twisted his viewpoints are.

[@JSandLDS]

This church is obsessed with profits

[@Toothnut_Hamsterfolder]

Thank you, Nemo! This is greatly appreciated!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

My pleasure!

[@dadhacks9449]

Ugh…Bednar🤦

[@jubronaljoan]

It's always do as we say, not do as we do. Remember this and you'll always be a success in this church. Even if you're only ever "Only an elder...", or the female equivalent. Oh wait, there isn't one.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Nemo miss your long content format.......

[@ZelphBallard-bg9mt]

when rusty awkwardly gawks into the hat ... thats never getting old

[@HomestarJr]

Just a reminder here, that clip of Nelson defining prophet as “he speaks for god” was him talking to small children. Nelson also alluded to having to always do what’s right or god would kill him. He said these things to children. What is wrong with LDS leadership? Why is the absolute top leader scaring little kids with the idea that god would kill him (and maybe them too) if he (or they) makes a mistake. Great work as always Nemo.

[@SevenLlamas]

THIS ^

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"What is wrong with LDS leadership?" Well it isn't in alphabetical order. It should be DLS.

[@kittiemarie1235]

Oh my gosh! Seriously?! What a terrible way to put fear into children!

[@kittiemarie1235]

@@thomasmaughan4798😂

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@kittiemarie1235 "What a terrible way to put fear into children!" Yes. Halloween and scary movies are much more effective. I remember seeing Alfred Hitchcock's "The Birds" when I was a teenager, maybe a tween; it was incredibly scary and I left the lights on and stayed up all night keeping an eye and ear out for birds.

[@AbbieOates]

I would be super curious to hear what you think the future of the LDS church is? Will it basically be the same in 30 years?

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I don’t think it will, it will be much smaller, and geographically will be less widely distributed. Someone at some point will get their tithing money back, it will be a seismic event, but I can only see the role of western religion more broadly declining, certainly here in Europe’s and I think they will enjoy less privileges and protections because of it.

[@AbbieOates]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON Thank you for your thoughtful reply, and excellent content.

[@gaylasparks]

It’s already different from when I grew up. This ongoing revelation is a joke! Christ is ABLE & Has already done what this church is trying to be. This is not the church of God. This is an organization that sucks money out of the most needy. It’s too heavy with family structure of those who use the monies

[@Homepageturned]

In the near future the church will be completely different. After the Anti Christ over comes the saints for a time, then returns the city of Enoch to free the saints from the Anti Christ who has over come the saints and who has dedicated the Temple. So yes, within about 7 to 10 years the church will e completely different and depending on how big that civilization is, the population of the saints could actually be way greater than then we are now. The remnant that returns will be a great civilization that will join with the Saints.

[@bewitched3912]

​@@Homepageturnedanyone preaching teachings antithetical to that of Jesus are the antiChrist. Licked cupcake labels proves whose side this culture is on and it's not the child victims who grew up to speak out. McConkie lawyers can't silence us with threats or the corporation must accept it's antiChrist business

[@eleesab4883]

I keep restarting this video because as my brain just keep dissociating as soon as I hear this lds leader talking cadence. My brain is like, “nope, not listening”, so thank you for summarizing.

[@user-ql2id3ml3i]

They follow the principal of tithing (they don't pay tithing and they ARE paid.)

[@carolyearsley]

Do they even wear garments?

[@micheleh3851]

@user-qlwid3ml3i - Yes, Church leaders pay tithing on their earnings. On leaked paystubs there was a notation of tithing paid.

[@micheleh3851]

​@@carolyearsley- Yes.

[@carolyearsley]

@@micheleh3851 I rather doubt it, as well as for the so called leaked pay stubs. It's rules for thee and not for me.

[@micheleh3851]

@@carolyearsley - Everyone in the Church has the same interview questions re: tithing. There isn't a different set of questions for leaders.

[@MattTheBandGuy]

I'm still waiting for Reformed Egyptian to be offered as a course on Duolingo.

[@TheodusJ.Whoopie]

Thanks!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

My pleasure, thanks for the support!

[@jarom_thurston]

The “Mormon Church” believe their definitions are above man’s word and follows higher standards, laws, and definitions of what constitutes social constructions. 😂

[@thelastgoonie6555]

Mormon Doublespeak is real, Bro!

[@newrootswoodwork7458]

Have you ever noticed that the GA's start out as very youthful looking men and in short order start looking like Senator Palpatine. The longer you're exposed to the dark side the more twisted you become in both mind and body

[@lylesnow8707]

Great job Nemo

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Cheers!

[@bevansp1]

Nemo, I enjoy your videos and your general approach to hold the lds or mormon church accountable or keeping it honest by using verifiable historical sources and often church promoted sources. I also 1000% appreciate your brevity. However, what is the end game? I ask not only for yourself, your channel and ongoing work, but for those like me who see the harm, the misinformation, the whitewashing and think, "is it salvageable"? There are many who, justifiably, say it is not. I do not know. What do you think? All the power to you, sir.

[@katie17330]

I can't speak for Nemo, but for me speaking out is about holding the church accountable and helping it become a healthier place for those who are still a part of it.

[@truthseeker4286]

The problem is, you will likely be ex communicated for that when you start trying to correct things in the chapel, etc.

[@goldenorbstudios]

I was always so confused listening to General confrence. Then I started listening to Jordan Peterson and he made way more sense. It seems like the general authories just say the same things over and over again and use the wrong definitions so its confusing. And then they gas light us by saying nothing changes. What about the Adam God Doctrine and a bunch of other things that have changed.

[@leahshaw1447]

Keep up your wonderful videos and insights! I enjoy these shorter videos over the 1 & 2 hour long ones. All of these leaders must be required to learn legalese from Oaks. They certainly know how to twist the info and make it sound so reasonable. (Someone said in the comments that The true Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints is restored. It WAS restored until hijacked by men after Joseph's murder.)

[@amybaker1880]

Can't be, what about the ongoing edits, I mean restoration? I find it amusing that they removed the nickname Mormon for the world to understand they're Latter-day Saints. They still leave Jesus out. 😂

[@wassummedia5519]

Funny the last talk I gave a year ago was on integrity. Haven't been asked to speak since then 🙂

[@brittanyg7700]

Principles = rules. So, Bednar basically said, we will outgrow rules to follow rules.

[@starguy2718]

"Truth? We don't need no stinking truth!" -- The Brethren

[@terrillmel]

Ah yes! And what does God arbitrate as truth? Whatever we say. Also, I see people equate personal values with truth with a capital T. The highest form of truth. I think, just wait 50 years.

[@ChrisFBartlett]

Thanks for all of your research and efforts in the space.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

My Pleasure, thanks for the support my friend!

[@alittletoopointless4835]

I am from Russia. I have spent a lot of time with russian mormon community. Around 7 years ago Russia has banned proselytising of streets and door to door. It basically made missionary work very hard and boring. Missionaries in Russia can't really interact with anyone who is not familiar with the church already. But I have heard the member of the quorum of seventy for Russia say than the ban was good. It's wrong. Political repression is clearly not good. The Mormon religion would not exist if the US didn't have religious freedom. I get that the pulpit isn't really a place for politics. But I am repulsed by a person claiming integrity but refusing to express a moral position in personal conversation. When you think something is not only wrong but actively harming your cause you should admit it is wrong. If he had done that I might have been still talking with missionaries but not I just can't stand for this church because of too many issues.

[@stephenbethell7548]

I too live in Russia where words are redefined and truth is whatever the leadership claims it is .

[@ShinbrigTV]

I mean there's a reason why the Mormon church hires businessmen and lawyers and rarely hires BYU students who study theology or philosophy.

[@ernweist]

I spy an exmo candle in the background, love it!

[@johnhatch1271]

You can't lie yourself into heaven even with the best intentions. People aren't lining up in salt lake to be healed by thoughs 15 guy's pretending to be a prophet. They don't have the true spirit of God with them.

[@NebjosaMeier]

Heard about your upcoming trial, Nemo. But the real trial will be with your stake president. He could still embarrass the men who deserve to finally be embarrassed, and he could do it on their own turf, which has been a beautiful little haven of yesmen and swank up until now. Why does Jesus get a browful of blood, and they get a fistful of dollars? Prayers to your stake president.

[@liligirladorno]

Being expected to be honest and then learning that the leaders were not holding themselves to the same standard and that they were contradicting themselves repeatedly, motivated me greatly to leave the church.

[@JSandLDS]

I know this is pedantic in the extreme and not really on topic, but at 11:34 'Joseph' is actually reflecting light back into that hat, not shielding it.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Always appreciate some pedantry, cheers!

[@JSandLDS]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON I guess a bit of light was needed to see his bullet points.

[@Longe]

Integrity = Lying for the Lord!

[@kurt666morris]

Like Paul H. Dunn!

[@tvtecna]

Nemo. We love you

[@jpfluellen4180]

So at minute 644 you talk about truth is fact reality and how do you define the golden discs and how do you define the profit because that would just mean that you’re creating your own truth and your own reality as it seems to fit.

[@D2F299F2D]

Nemo. First of all, I love your videos. I grew up in the church and even went on a mission and around 28 I quickly found out it was not true. Why would you stay in the church if the very foundation of the church's uniqueness, that being Joseph Smith as a Prophet and the Book of Mormon being a divine translation of anciet text, is utterly a lie? Can you be a good Christian in another denomination or group without holding onto the teachings of the LDS Church?

[@sheliabryant3997]

@D2F299F2D. I will say to you what the host probably will not: You suck up like a phony and pretend your questions reflect a genuine curiosity and concern. THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS are completely irrelevant to the FACTS being made known to the podcast audience. A person's REASONS are that person's business and when/if he wishes to make THOSE his topics, he would. And, HE ACTUALLY IS.

[@whatthecrud]

When an organization has a secret society (Freemasonry) that's foundational to so many of it's (supposedly) saving ordinances, you're going to have a lot of gaslighting and covering up going on. Calling something sacred that's actually a secret, and is part of a secret society that makes blood oaths, is blasphemy against God. It's so important to come back to ourselves, and in the process come back to God. The understanding of what's truly sacred is an inner knowing that's built into us as children of a loving Father In Heaven. Understanding what sacredness is is really just a profound remembering of who we truly are. Don't let them gaslight you into thinking that seeking out the truth, wherever it is to be found, is ever the wrong thing to do.

[@ShawnRogersthomas]

I was surprised when I found out we DO pay our leaders . That's one of the reason I joined the church and now I found it that use semitics to make themselves look purer as the Bible church. For this and other suspicious doctrine I left the church. Now I don't belong to ANY church due to fear of false teachings which sucks cuz I sometimes miss formal church worship and being with others who love our Lord.

[@ginagz6601]

I have a story that would bring all unwanted attention. But the facts remain. My story will be told and will be heard. Needs an awareness that such behaviors exists among LDS

[@kflynnhpg]

I left the church just this past year, due to the lack of integrity from the leadership. Not because I wanted to go and sin.

[@pollydunn3191]

👍

[@emilywilson9632]

The fact is that the characters from the plates appeared, were translated into English and Joseph Smith dictated those words to scribes. That is translation.

[@ihtibas_ilharary]

Also Mormons use the word love in a way most people wouldn’t agree with. Like how they would teach that the most loving way to deal with LGBT youth is to kick them out of the house if they start dating. My parents told me it was the loving thing to do. They convince themselves that their cruelty is love.

[@kirby7294]

The prophets don't teach that and Elder Jeffrey R. Holland has given several talks of late attempting to help youth in the church struggling with situations like yours. I am sorry for the situation you are in and I wish you the best.

[@truthseeker4286]

"Also Mormons..." Classifying an entire group of people is pure bigotry. Are you not a hater of straight, white conservative men, especially if they vote for Trump?

[@harveypost7799]

Good at manipulating money also.

[@alewis8765]

It's ironic to hear David Bednar talk about integrity. My ex brother-in-law knew him personally while he was at BYU-I. Bednar was described as a tyrant who demanded unquestioning obedience, and would lie to get his way. When he was brought into the Q12, that was the beginning of the end for me and the church. No idea how anyone looks at him and thinks he's anything other than an authoritarian.

[@ellieroo6719]

The sacrifice (even consecration) of one’s honesty and integrity seems consistent with the hierarchy of the covenants made in the temple. The ultimate covenant is the consecration of our time, talents, and everything we possess to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Why wouldn’t it include values, beliefs, honesty and integrity?

[@LenaLindroth-g1v]

You are a true genius mr Nemo

[@nancyevans3590]

Judging from all the loud laughter in that first video clip you showed there’s at least one large tabernacle of Mormons now in Satans power.

[@byefelicia7358]

I heard the prohibition of “loud laughter” got removed from the temple ceremony. So they’re safe now. 😂

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

It did indeed!

[@raulh7814]

Truth!! Good on you!

[@jonziegler6538]

Are not DAB's remarks on scaffolding and not needing rules another way of stating what Ronald Poelman stated in 1984. The best conference talk no one has heard. That talk BKP pooped himself over and demanded Poelman give an edited version to an empty conference hall?

[@MrBillmechanic]

WHAT AN IDIOTIC TWIST OF NELSON'S FACE WHEN HE PRONOUNCES , SO PROFOUNDLY, "TRUTH IS TRHTH".. E-E-E-W .

[@shadeofmercury]

I will say that having integrity before God trumps having integrity before the world. Every time. That business in the Articles of Faith about obeying the laws of the land was just Joseph playing politics (and I don't blame him considering what was going on in his time). The Church has broken the law on many occasions. Ideally, we would be able to have integrity with both God and man - but it's not always going to be the case, and frankly, philosophical arguments aside, I don't put a lot of value on the laws of man.

[@Cel_566]

❤❤❤

[@benconnelly486]

I think this is your most important video, thank you!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Glad you think so!

[@jeanbean75]

This is spot on. I have also had to relearn the real definition of God, faith, forgiveness, respect, charity and love. They have been framed in such a way by the LDS church that each of these basic human concepts equals loyalty to the corporate brethren’s whims. 🙄

[@troyahuggard3355]

2 examples : we act with integrity by not receiving the words of false prophets into our hearts and sharing them with others now that we know which prophets actually speak by the power of the Holy Ghost vs those men who blaspheme God by the power of the devil teaching for doctrine the precepts of men. We can adhere ourselves to the truth, facts, reality and natural law which has been established by God; opposite to lying, that which deceives and manipulates having been established by the devil.

[@brettneuberger6466]

According to Nelson, “Truth is what God says it is.” Well then Mr. Nelson, who or what is God? God is who we tell you ‘he’ is. Hmmm. Sounds circular to me. Well you just need to believe that I’m really a prophet and know what I’m talking about. So what you’re really saying is just believe in you and what the church tells me god is? Yeah….pretty much. You do know I speak to him don’t you? Sure, whatever. :) A church and it’s leaders proclaiming to be true are essentially beliefs proclaiming to be Truth itself, which is illogical. At their basic level, churches are nothing more than a set of beliefs. And beliefs are just that….belief. Beliefs have nothing to do with Truth itself. A religion or a leader may be able to point to Truth if it/they know what Truth Really is, but neither will ever be “True”; which is why the oft repeated claim “I know this church and prophet are true, is so misguided. What is Truth Really? Truth just is and can’t be explained or defined. This is frustrating to the intellect; but it’s just the way it is. So then, can Truth ever be known? Not in the way you know other stuff. However, Truth can be recognized at its deepest level if you know how or where to look. You know you exist don’t you? Start there and eventually you’ll find it.

[@emilywilson9632]

If you say you are telling the truth Nemo, it means you THINK you are telling the truth. It isn't reality. It's your bias.

[@danblackwelder5261]

What is Truth? Thousands of years before ‘Cain and Abel’ (5000 BC) there existed thousands of black Africans living on the African continent who would speak more than 2000 different languages and dialects; and thousands of black aborigines on the continent of Australia who would speak more than 200; and thousands of dark native Americans living in N.&S. America speaking more than 600. This is the First Truth.

[@jacobopstad5483]

"Spiritual" is another mundane word that has a bit of a different meaning in the Mormon world.

[@kencollins1186]

So. Jospeh Smith was talking through his hat?

[@michelep.7249]

The church lies about meditation stating it is thinking about spiritual things. I learned mantra meditation from reading the book Meditation for Dummies by Stephan Bodian. Mantra meditation benefited me 10x more than the Mormon church. I spent years in the church thinking I was meditating, but learned from the book I mentioned I wasn't. The church has sent missionaries all over the world so they had to know there was more to meditation than thinking of spiritual things. I was so blessed to find and practice mantra meditation. I was close to the age of 30 before I learned this. Highly recommend reading Meditation for Dummies. This book also teaches to feel feelings such as anger, pride, fear and jealousy until they go away rather than suppressing or acting on them. I believe Christ would do this. No one goes around saying Christ is so compassionate, Christ can't feel his feelings. Left church as I was tired of being taught that these feelings were evil.

[@amybaker1880]

Having those feelings and dealing with them appropriately, or encouraging the increase of those feelings?

[@michelep.7249]

@@amybaker1880 I am an INFP personality type and am a dominant feeler so I frequently feel feelings. In past I would always try to suppress feelings of pride, fear, anger, and jealousy. Now I try to feel these feelings until they go away rather than suppress them all the time. I am not perfect and suppress feelings sometimes, but not as often as I once did. My brain is wired to feel feelings a lot and sometimes I just have to focus on something other than my feelings if possible.

[@amybaker1880]

@@michelep.7249 I'm never numb, but don't have the negative feelings you mention. Did Jesus ever embrace negative feelings?

[@michelep.7249]

@@amybaker1880 I am an INFP and my brain is wired to feel all feelings including what you call negative feelings. I don't call these feelings negative, but after being present with these feelings I call them painful. Acknowledging these feelings are painful helps me have empathy for others who feel these same feelings. In order for Christ to have empathy on those who have felt pride, fear, anger, and jealousy, He would have had to feel these painful feelings as well.

[@amybaker1880]

@@michelep.7249 OK. Didn't realize you struggled feeling empathy. I don't, guess that's why I've never had to just sit in my feelings. I have them, only need to focus on what is causing feelings I don't like, not dwell on the feeling itself. If it helps you to love others, that's great.

[@ckayj4]

Great content.

[@jpfluellen4180]

At time 1211 you talk about translation couldn’t in fact be the fact that there were no gold discs and that Joseph Smith used a version of what Mason’s believe and turned it into a more religious translation because Joseph Smith was a mason and there are a lot of similarities between Mason and Mormon. 🤔

[@minaguta4147]

Bingo

[@blainefarnsworth5569]

Prophet means to speak out. But remember their are false prophet's also and we must always use discernment .

[@mgeuleinstsear]

You are such a genius “Klugscheisser”! Keep up the good work ❤️

[@HeroMan380]

Those vids of Nelson teaching little kids about what a 'prophet' is, is so cringy its borderline innapropriate. The church will burn those tapes shortly