How Much Blame Is On The Jets For Zach Wilson Being A Bust? | 4/23/24

Dan Patrick reacts to the New York Jets trading former no. 2 overall pick Zach Wilson to the Denver Broncos

[@thegamingpigeon3216]

I still look back at JaMarcus Russell. I don't remember if it was his OC or QB coach but one of his coaches gave him a CD with "film" and told him to go home and study it. Came back the next day, asked him how it went, he said "It was good, good film, I learned a lot" The CD was blank

[@im2insaine]

🤪

[@darrylhenry3188]

I remember that jabba the hut Russell did it to himself he's the reason the rookie scale took a hit especially with QBs I think he got 60 million up front he took the money and ran

[@EffigyofChaos]

So is Zach that type of player with no effort or not. He could put in all of the effort and still not be able to process defenses fast enough or get fast feet in the pocket. We know his mechanics aren’t great in the middle of the season. And it looked decent at the beginning of 2021 and the beginning of last year and then got worse. Players like Aaron Rodgers have stated that he put in a lot of effort. It’s hard to know if that’s just being a good teammate by Rodgers or not. I just have no confidence in a coach like Saleh that has lost the locker room each of the last two seasons. Wilson went into an organization that has continuously failed QBs, with no decent veteran, and all rookie coaches. It made no sense after the QB coach died right before Zach’s rookie season. Again, I just have no confidence in Saleh nor that o line.

[@English_MoFo]

Coach said “what plays did you like?” He replied “I like em all coach, we’re good” 👍🏻

[@yoholmes273]

Wilson is WORSE than Russell. And Russell was obese and on drugs...

[@jeffgoulding3786]

Zach's last full start (against the Texans) was arguably the best of his career. It resulted in his his best Rating of his career. His O line was also historically bad. We'll see, I'm optimistic that Denver will be great for him.

[@hugh-jasole]

Agreed. Honestly Saleh should be fired for how little he paid attention to getting his team a good offensive line. It was crazy how uneven that great 2022 team was. Top 5 defense and a historically awful o line and offense

[@cobbler88]

He was easily identified as having an overwhelming likelihood of failing at the NFL level. The Jets ignored that. We'll see where he goes from here.

[@richardmaratea448]

Whether it was the Texan's poor OL or the Jets OL playing an exceptional game, Zach had the time to connect with his receivers and had a career day. We have not seen the last of Zach. Saleh should have addressed the OL issue for the get go. Saleh is not, (and will never be), HC material.

[@cobbler88]

@richardmaratea448 Yes. Once a roster good enough to win a SB decides it's in its best interest to then plop Wilson in the middle, we may see something from him. Otherwise, I expect most of the news to be about coming in as a backup once a rookie has established himself, him being released or traded, and his retirement.

[@swmac4225]

Saying he didn’t put in the time is ludicrous. By all accounts he was/is film junkie and they had to tell him to leave facility at times.

[@15SilverSurfer15]

This is 3 years removed from getting rid of darnold🤣🤣🤣

[@kennethshaw626]

Look at Steve Young s stats before being traded to San Francisco.

[@user-zr4km5ns8t]

No 24 year old QB is a bust just because things didn't workout yet, especially if they came from the New York jets.

[@jacksmith5562]

This is all on the Jets!

[@TheHighlanderprime]

There’s no question that the Jets are more to blame. The resume of Zach Wilson coming out of BYU was that he was supposed to be a developmental project. If you really only played 2 years of college with a lower ranking college franchise in BYU, you’ll need more time in the NFL. The Jets overlooked all of that and expected Joe Burrow simply because Zach was the #2 pick. The analogy that Zach Wilson didn’t improved and Josh Allen did isn’t very good. Why? Josh had a more functional coaching staff and team around him. Zach had a team that did not help him improve much. And yet, Zach Wilson’s last full game with the Jets was almost flawless when he defeated the Houston texans’ CJ Stroud. So the book’s still out on Zach. Let’s see if he can pick up from that last game and play consistently good football.

[@dimondjak]

....someone that gets it? Wow.. I thought it impossible. Thank you.

[@charlestoddbarnum8260]

We all forget that when he played the Chiefs he did really good. And when it came down to who messed up the snap, he took full blame for it.

[@Jcd5596]

How's the book still out on a guy who's stared 33 games? Maybe the book gets a sequel, but the 1st book has been written.

[@johng.4711]

Y’all sound like BYU boosters. Kid stinks. Wish him luck. But he stinks right now.

[@TheHighlanderprime]

@@Jcd5596 An NFL season is 17 games. Zach Wilson played in 32 games. Do the math; he didn’t even play two full seasons in the NFL with the Jets. The team wanted Zach to hit the ground running like Burrows or Herbert when his resume clearly showed that he needed more time and better tutelage. The first book was botched by the Zach Wilson Authors who wrote it. Such Authors were the whole Jets organization. And the Jets have zero history of any successful publication of young QBs . So yeah, that first attempt at a book was by a bogus author in the Jets.

[@chrisj.9882]

Bust who un-busted himself: Steve Young

[@tonydejesus2134]

100%. In his defense, the Buccaneers of those days was a disaster franchise, equivalent to Dan Snyder. Nobody could have succeeded in those circumstances.

[@cjay8894]

@@tonydejesus2134 You just described the Jets.

[@tonydejesus2134]

@@cjay8894 no, aside from QB, the Jets have a very good roster. During the Woody era the Jets have been incompetent, but at the present moment (and for the past two years) the Jets have had an average to very good roster. JD has drafted well.

[@tomdolan9761]

Yeah with Bill Walsh doing the development

[@tonydejesus2134]

@@tomdolan9761 a valid point, but nobody goes to the Hall of Fame due to coaching alone.

[@travistaylor4342]

It'll be interesting to see what Payton can get out of Zach. I know he didn't play well in NY, but I saw flashes of some talent

[@wallywanker7435]

lol he stinks

[@cobbler88]

I hear he sees ghosts when he picks up a clipboard, so IDK.

[@wallywanker7435]

@@cobbler88 that was darnold. If your going to try and be funny at least have your facts straight

[@cobbler88]

@wallywanker7435 Wilson came up when I typed in the search. It was wrong but I DID try. Given how you completely f*cked up in reading comprehension before the other reply you felt compelled to post, I don't think you're the lady to criticize others' grasp of the facts.

[@wallywanker7435]

@@cobbler88 awwwe it’s all in good fun little fella. Relax life is too short to be upset over a little ribbing. And I always had trouble with reading comprehension from shit the kids on the short bus wrote.

[@dr.awkward9075]

It took Rich Gannon 12 years to make a pro bowl.

[@kendallandrews8691]

Ok, but sometimes bad quarterbacks are just bad quarterbacks

[@tonydejesus2134]

Yes, and he also won MVP. But Rich Gannon, even at his worst, always showed that he was a legitimate NFL QB and deserving of a job. Wilson has shown no flashes of potential; at his best, he’s been mediocre.

[@jonforpresident04]

In the 1987 NFL draft, the New England Patriots selected Gannon in the fourth round intent upon converting Gannon to running back.

[@markgonzalez4199]

​@@tonydejesus2134 Wilson did show some potential, most notably in the Chiefs game. He couldn't maintain that level of play.

[@cobbler88]

You mean LEGEND quarterback Rich Gannon? The guy who won 76 games in only 17 NFL seasons? Then again, they let Warner in the HOF for some reason, so ... 🤣

[@baxatakbaxatak2014]

Could have kept Sam Darnold and built around him.

[@FavreianVengeance]

I agree with trading Darnold. I don't believe he is a top 20 QB. I think he is better suited as a quality back-up who can fill in for 4-6 weeks and even win a playoff game if necessary.

[@Largecanyondog]

Imagine being a star player in HS and college and having some balding chunks that have never done 10 push-ups in their life call you a “bust”.

[@cobbler88]

He only had one more good year of college ball than I did - and an equal number of good years in the NFL - and I switched to focus on baseball by the time I was 16. 🤣 It's the Jets fault. Wilson was very easily identified as having an overwhelming chance of being fool's gold, and the Jets ignored it.

[@Largecanyondog]

@@cobbler88 the guy has crazy mobility and arm talent. He’s super positive and hard working. Good teammate. He could be another Kurt Warner or warren moon or Steve young. Maybe things will click. Maybe they won’t……id give him a shot all day and twice on Sunday.

[@cobbler88]

@@Largecanyondog Sounds likw a great dog. But yes. That's the problem. He just has never gotten a shot. Or, let me guess, he HAS, but the entire test of the organization is horrible? Why should we believe he's better? He had one statistically good season in college, playing cherry-picked patties during the Covid year.

[@Largecanyondog]

@@cobbler88 internet football 101: “if you don’t succeed right away, quit”. This deep into his career Aaron Rodgers was riding pine, maybe Zach should have too. Who knows. 24 is a bit too young to quit or be quit on.

[@spedoclctr]

Well actually, the only mistake the jets, or any team in the NFL, makes is that they put stock in the media assessment of talent. 😅😅

[@dante6563]

this is very true

[@kingl77lking64]

If you look at his college film, you will see why he got drafted high. His tape is actually better than some of the QBs that are gonna get drafted now. Go look, you will see why they thought he could be special.

[@20Schmidt]

They generally don’t, actually. If they did (listen to media/fans), it would be a dead-end, success/wise. Reasons why people actually in the business make real good money as opposed to impatient, emotional fans & media.

[@cobbler88]

@@kingl77lking64 If you look at his college film during a season that isn't against a bunch of cherry-picked patsies like his final year at BYU, he somehow wasn't nearly as good. 🤣

[@vinyllpreviews9462]

Having a franchise qb in the NFL is literally life or death, i think it leaves teams seriously over reaching. Saying 6 qb in the first round, 5 of them will be busts.

[@bryanl2838]

Dan’s setup reminds me of Dan Aykroyd’s Nothing but Trouble bench setup in that movie 😂

[@dimondjak]

Now that you mention it.. lol

[@sjbachar15]

All time movie reference

[@kennethshaw626]

I realize you guys don't know the history of Zack let me educate you. Zack has a tutor in California he works with every summer. His last season at the Jets was a disaster. He was behind the worst offensive line and probably the worst offensive coach in the NFL. He actually did inprove in throwing the ball away and not taking a sack or interception, but it didn't show due to the reasons I mentioned earlier. Now he has a much better coach, a better offensive line so let's how he does.

[@cobbler88]

I realize you're likely intentionally ignoring a significant part of the history of Zack. Let me educate you, in case it's just ignorance. - In nine games in 2018, Wilson threw for less than 1600 yards and only 12 TDs. - In nine games in 2019, Wilson threw for less than 2400 yards and had a TD:INT ratio of 11:9, while his completion percentage actually went DOWN 3.5% from the previous season. - In 2020, BYU was able to cobble together an entire schedule from scratch because of COVID. The result was a schedule ranked #67 with a rating of 0.7. For some context, UCF was only 7 spots higher but it's SOS rating was almost 4x that of the Cougars at 2.7. En route to 10 regular season wins, BYU defeated Navy (3-7), Troy (5-6), La. Tech (5-5), UTSA (7-5), Houston (3-5), Texas State (2-10), W. Kentucky (5-7), Boise State (5-2, lost to both ranked teams it played), North Alabama (0-4), and San Diego State (4-4). The only team the Cougars faced that was ranked at the end of the season was Coastal Carolina, which beat BYU, 22-17. - During that 2020 season in which BYU hand-picked a slate in which almost none of the teams was any sort of threat (only UTSA came within one score of winning), Wilson's numbers magically improved (in 3 more games than those other seasons) to almost 3700 yards passing, a 33:3 TD:INT ratio, a completion percentage that leapt by more than 11% and an average yards/attempt roughly 3 yards better than his previous two campaigns, averaged out. - Wilson skipped the NFL Combine drills and only had his measurements taken. Why be compared directly to other quarterbacks when it can only cost you, right? Still, it's the Jets' fault he's a bust. The League became convinced that a kid who was only really worth a 2nd- or 3rd-round flyer was a top QB and the Jets took him No. 2. Take him No. 53 like Hurts and no one would think twice if he didn't work out. We'll see how it goes from here.

[@cobbler88]

I think to be completely honest with the answer, we have to go back to all the things we knew when Wilson was drafted, but ignored because we needed a QB horse race of some sort since it was obvious that Trevor Lawrence was going to be the No. 1 pick. What did we - and, I assume, the Jets know by the time the 2021 NFL Draft came about? -We knew that in nine games in 2018, Wilson threw for less than 1600 yards and only 12 TDs. - We knew that in nine games in 2019, Wilson threw for less than 2400 yards and had a TD:INT ratio of 11:9, while his completion percentage actually went DOWN 3.5% from the previous season. - We knew that in 2020, BYU was able to cobble together an entire schedule from scratch because of COVID. The result was a schedule ranked #67 with a number of 0.7. For some context, UCF was only 7 spots higher but it's SOS rating was almost 4x that of the Cougars at 2.7. En route to 10 regular season wins, BYU defeated Navy (3-7), Troy (5-6), La. Tech (5-5), UTSA (7-5), Houston (3-5), Texas State (2-10), W. Kentucky (5-7), Boise State (5-2, lost to both ranked teams it played), North Alabama (0-4), and San Diego State (4-4). The only team the Cougars faced that was ranked at the end of the season was Coastal Carolina, which beat BYU, 22-17. -We knew that during that season in which BYU hand-picked a slate in which almost none of the teams was any sort of threat (only UTSA came within one score of winning), Wilson's numbers magically improved (in 3 more games than those other seasons) to almost 3700 yards passing, a 33:3 TD:INT ratio, a completion percentage that leapt by more than 11% and an average yards/attempt roughly 3 yards better than his previous two campaigns, combined. -We knew that Wilson skipped the NFL Combine drills and only had his measurements taken. I'd wager that with all the water being carried by an ignorant media (of which I've been a part for a few decades), he figured he could only lose by being compared directly to other quarterbacks. We knew all of these things. The Jets knew all of these things. So who is to blame for Wilson being a bust? The Jets, because of where they drafted him. Most of us who bothered to do the 20 minutes of legwork knew the overwhelming likelihood was that this kid was fool's gold. (Lance was an equal "bust," but since he really had no resume to speak of, there was really nothing shiny there to fool people with). He was probably worth a flier in the second or third rounds. Fail when drafted THERE, and no one would really blink. But it was the Jets that made him such a high draft pick that he could be considered a bust, so they must take the blame. Take care.

[@dbrobb5282]

Obviously there are a number of things Zach could have done differently, but they didn't mention any of the Jets failings with Zach or any of their other more recent QBs in this conversation. I'm not saying Zach didn't do his part in this failing, but the Jets gave him a lot of help on the way down.

[@geoycs]

He did say Jets did a lot of damage to him, hung him out to dry.

[@cobbler88]

They took a 2nd- or 3rd-round talent and made him the No. 2 pick. That's the failing here.

[@lordrayden3045]

Wilson and lance have to be the happiest people,ever COVID happened

[@stevennaraine9429]

You can't call a talent like Zach Wilsom a bust when they destroyed another top prospect Sam Darnokd with horrific coaching. That's the JET way. They ruthlessly casted him to the side and got Aaron Rodgers which backfired hard against the hapless front office and coaching staff. I don't blame Zach Wikson for not wanting to play. They do not qualify in calling any QB a bust. They don't even have an offensive line.

[@stevennaraine9429]

I blame the McCain Brvton fiasco on the Jets too. He was great rookie, you don't just become bad.

[@mikemau3722]

Well said

[@chieunguyen5805]

Aaron Rogers needs lots of luck to get NY Jets into playoffs. It needs good coaching, good players and good leadership for the Jets, something the Jets have lacked all along. Hope Aaron Rogers is healthy to last a whole season, outcomes by the season end, can tell if one good QB can make that much difference !

[@61JWolf]

Silly me, I thought they would actually try to answer the question.

[@karenhardie1132]

It's both. Zach sucked and the team did, too. He also was not well liked. Remember the Mike White shirts and him not wanting to get back into a game. 😢

[@TheHighlanderprime]

Zach was not ready to play yet. So it’s easy to say that he sucked. But the team was supposed to be ready to develop him. And the coaches were clueless about offense and QB development. Saleh spent Zach’s time learning how to be a head coach. And ZW was a casualty of that bad coaching staff. So the Jets are more so at fault here hands down.

[@karenhardie1132]

@TheHighlanderprime It's tough to get thrown into the fire. Look how many qbs from the last few drafts are demoted or traded. Whose left starting this fall. One show said Purdy and Trevor L. Fields, Mac, Pickett, Zach, Lance, all are backups now. A fresh start in Denver hopefully helps his confidence. Teams should look at GB. Love sat for 3 years and learned.

[@relativetimeworx8459]

Whenever a QB fails, at least half the blame belongs on coaching.

[@wrealini]

Yeah buuuutttt, some organizations are able to support a young QB, some are just shit. If Brady had been drafted by the Browns how long would he have been in the league.

[@wallywanker7435]

Yea cause they have done so well when it wasn’t Brady. New England got lucky with Brady. It was Brady who made Brady , your rationale is they will just make another guy like Brady. Cause they are a good organization, GTFOH.

[@wrealini]

@@wallywanker7435 That is absolutely not my rational Mr. Wanker. When Brady landed in NE they were not, nor had they been a shit organization. They were not great but they were not god awful. Brady did make Brady, but if had been in Detroit I'm not sure if Brady would have made Brady. By the time he left NE they needed a re-set. Brady didn't go to Carolina, he went to Tampa, and team ready to explode. He's not stupid. Good college QB's go to die in bad organizations. There are times it's the coaching, the GM, the talent or lack of around the QB. The right combo helps, otherwise...

[@cobbler88]

@@wallywanker7435 I try to not sell Bellichick short. He won with Cam Freakin' Newton, who didn't win a single game for anyone else over about his last 2.5 seasons. Then he made the playoffs with a rookie before everything fell to sh*t the following year. Brady stepped onto a team that led the league in passing yards the previous season. It's not exactly an apples-to-apples discussion.

[@wallywanker7435]

@@cobbler88 lol the pats were not the leaders in passing the year before Brady played. They stunk belicheks first year. Brady came in for Bledsoe after he got hurt the next year , and won the Super Bowl. The success coincided with Brady playing. Not saying bellicheck is not a good coach , I am just stating the obvious.

[@cobbler88]

@wallywanker7435 I should clarify. The Bucs led the league in passing the season before Brady strolled into that offense. He didn't lead passers in yards until his 5th year w the Pats.

[@LoopHoleLeeRoy]

40% Zach 35% Team 25% NY Media

[@fabriziobettoni2547]

80% on the Jets.

[@mr.barnes9342]

20% time, 20% ability, 20% coaching, 20% defensive line, 20% luck.

[@chrisweidner4768]

Thinking the Jets were the bust. But time will tell.

[@wp5224]

No QB not named Aaron Rogers could have succeeded with the NY Jets in 2023. Zach Wilson will have a fresh start in Denver.

[@wallywanker7435]

Really why ? They won 7 games with the worst QBs in the league. They pick 10th there are 9 other teams that had better Qbs and didn’t win as much. Zach stinks

[@cobbler88]

He'll get to hold a clipboard while Bo Nix is on the field by season's end.

[@EffigyofChaos]

So is Zach that type of player with no effort like Russell or not. He could put in all of the effort and still not be able to process defenses fast enough or get fast feet in the pocket. We know his mechanics aren’t great in the middle of the season. And it looked decent at the beginning of 2021 and the beginning of last year and then got worse. Players like Aaron Rodgers have stated that he put in a lot of effort. It’s hard to know if that’s just being a good teammate by Rodgers or not. I just have no confidence in a coach like Saleh that has lost the locker room each of the last two seasons. Wilson went into an organization that has continuously failed QBs, with no decent veteran, and all rookie coaches. It made no sense after the QB coach died right before Zach’s rookie season. Again, I just have no confidence in Saleh nor that o line.

[@cobbler88]

Yes. There's only so much you can coach a kid up. THEN he has to be able to use that knowledge on the field. Most MLB hitting coaches were NOT great MLB hitters. Same with pitching coaches. At some point, you have to sh*t or get off the pot.

[@mikeadamsfootball]

Bust? Zach Wilson hasn’t had a Top 10 Wide Receiver or a Top 19 Offensive Line in any of his 3 seasons. Zach Wilson has had 3 Different Offensive Coordinators in 3 Years. There is no reason to think that in a better situation Zach Wilson couldn’t be successful. That doesn’t mean he WILL be successful. But be open to the possibility. Geno Smith, Ryan Tannehill…it has happened before.

[@lcollins21]

GARRET WILSON

[@TheAustinKendall]

I think Sutton is a top 10 receiver (for me as a Broncos fan I have him very high :P). He makes insane catches, just check his highlights last season. Marvin Mimms looks very promising also. We'll see. Not expecting anything but endlessly hopeful regardless even if we are rebuilding lol.

[@mikeadamsfootball]

@@lcollins21 Best Garrett Wilson has ranked is 15th.

[@patjablonski9739]

You're a clown

[@kendallandrews8691]

Yep definitely a bust

[@ianross806]

For starters, the Jets drafted him....

[@briannettles669]

The Jets' scouting staff is 100% to blame for over-drafting and reaching for a quarterback who clearly is not NFL starting quarterback material. He was the 53rd-ranked quarterback in the nation coming out of high school and had one fluky season in college against mostly mediocre competition. A lot of desperate teams over-drafted quarterbacks in 2021, so the Jets are not alone.

[@darnell16player]

This is all on the Jets! They never learned to develop Quarterbacks at all and they ruined Sam Darnold, Geno Smith and also Zach Wilson! Zach never had a good offensive line around him, never had good receivers that can separate and a running game that didn’t take pressure off of him to actually do play action passing which is a strength for him!

[@johng.4711]

The Jets made him constantly throw screen passes in the dirt. The Jets made him not see multiple open receivers and take sacks. The Jets made him not take responsibility when his team had negative yardage and no scores in a half against the Patriots. Yes they rushed him but he also STINKS.

[@cobbler88]

Let's be honest here. It was the damned ghosts.

[@ORagnar]

Put it this way, the Jets had the second worst offensive line last year (just ahead of the Giants, of all teams.) So, we'll see how he does behind a better o-line. o

[@dimondjak]

and better coaching

[@antimike11]

Sean Payton got 1 SB, he's the doc rivers of the NFL. Living off 1 chip 15 years ago. But ok you're right 👍🏾

[@playahdub5287]

Den oline is trash.

[@mikedenucci909]

Alright send me the media ill edit it better. Tough clip endings lately

[@FavreianVengeance]

I followed Zach to the Jets organization. Ultimately it was shocking how toxic that organization and fan base is. Sadly, both actually follow the cues of anything their toxic media espouses. Instead of cheering Zach on and showing faith in him, the crowd was booing him and the coaching staff was capitulating by throwing in a 4th stringer who couldn't even throw the ball over Zach. I couldn't believe it. I've never seen that level of dysfunction in any other franchise.

[@FavreianVengeance]

Zach is undersized. And he makes some reads look hard. But anyone hastily judging is a fool all the same. The Jets had a historically offensive line last season and he still outplayed a handful of pro bowl level QBs last season, including Mahomes. Right as I was writing this, the one guy makes a case that Zach didn't get better. Anyone paying attention knows that's not true. But I will say it remains to be seen if Zach can solidify himself as a top-level QB.

[@stingrey1571]

Also the scouts and media fall in love with looks. He LOOKS like a qb. He is such an athlete. Etc.

[@markgonzalez4199]

Zach didn't look like a QB. He looked like the nervous little punk coming to ask permission to date your daughter.

[@Hiluxtaco]

How much of this is on Zach for being a terrible QB??

[@TheHighlanderprime]

You will be a terrible QB if you play for the Jets when you were expected to be groomed to grow.

[@Hiluxtaco]

@@TheHighlanderprime Mark Sanchez wasn't as bad as Zach, and he played four years for the Jets. .

[@TheHighlanderprime]

@@Hiluxtaco The Jets under Rex was a more cohesive team with much more experienced and better offensive guidance. With Rex, the defense carried the team. Saleh was learning to coach during Zach’s learning time. Stop making excuses for the real culprit that definitely played ZW prematurely, in Saleh and Douglas. He should have sat for 1 or 2 years behind a seasoned backup, and not be expected to be Burrow when he didn’t have the reps nor experience with BYU to be good this early.

[@cobbler88]

He's a bust because he was taken way higher than his actual talent. Him being terrible just kind of clinched it. He had one good college year when they were able to cherry pick the schedule because of Covid. His TD:INT ratio magically went from 11:9 to 33:3 that season. 🤣

[@JAYSMITH-eh7ep]

Wilson is not a bust, he lasted longer than 4 plays with that o-line.

[@aheroictaxidriver3180]

It wasn't really a trade. They kicked him out.

[@chieunguyen5805]

100% blame on the Jets. Players drafted right out of college need to be groomed to fit in with the nfl PROs and NY Jets have never been capable of providing that !

[@JoeBuccino1]

A lot of it is on the Jets. Nate Hackett is a legit awful offensive coordinator. Never had any tools. I always thought he'd be a serviceable QB, run a decent offensive scheme. May thrive under Payton.

[@johnhiz6239]

100%

[@blakemoore666]

Hey Dan….Get Tom Brady on the show! 🏈🏈

[@connieq2811]

So your stating all these facts and say Aaron didn’t tutor him because he was in a Ayuashka tent. Why not just say he tore his Achilles. Maybe he had his own issues

[@cindyfagerstrom8825]

Jets blame, dang near 100%. No veteran QB on the roster to mentor him in year one blew my mind. Jets have lost the most games in the league over the last 7 years. Or was it 70 years. Almost. Pauly, just shut up.

[@cobbler88]

It's almost like they should have quarterback coaches, right?

[@pcr5539]

How is Denver not dysfunctional?

[@Thefredzilla]

Broncos fan here, the answer is they ARE dysfunctional. Starts with Wal Mart ownership.

[@JJdeluxeCSU]

@@Thefredzillaand a Target coach

[@orangecrush5862]

​​@@Thefredzillawhat a stupid comment! They have only owned the team for two years.. and had nothing to do with the Wilson trade! Lmao!

[@orangecrush5862]

​​​@@JJdeluxeCSUyou mean the SB winning coach that rolled out of bed and consistently won 12 games a season (170-105 carrer) in New Orleans? Oh ok!

[@JJdeluxeCSU]

@@orangecrush5862 I like target

[@tallercookie1188]

all

[@jimmykeepingit100always6]

Vinny T is the best example

[@jessejordache1869]

I actually remember Vinny T's draft, and what everyone was saying was "it's a shame a quarterback like that is going to the Buccaneers".

[@ortforshort7652]

All of it. The kid can play and will show out in Denver under a real HC in Sean Payton. The thing that the Jets organization is most noted for is that they are quarterback killers. In the last fifteen years alone they've ruined Mark Sanchez, Gino Smith, Sam Darnold and Zack Wilson. Among the four, Wilson is the most gifted and was mismanaged the most by the organization. OC LaFleur and HC Saleh scapegoated Wilson for their own massive shortcomings. Those two did the organization enormous harm by not only ruining Wilson, but also ultimately causing the Jets to give away a top talent like Wilson for nothing by not manning up and owning up to the damage that they did to Wilson. Those two don't figure to be around much longer in football while Wilson will outlast them by plenty - just not with the Jets

[@Jcd5596]

Ruined Mark Sanchez? Mark should be happy he got 2 start for as long as he did. How did Salah scapegoat Wilson? He gave him more then enough chances even with the fans and media wanting him benched.

[@ortforshort7652]

@@Jcd5596 Chances to do what? Run for his life every time the ball was snapped because the offensive line was putrid and the offensive gameplan sucked? The Jets offense that Wilson had to play behind was absolute sh*t and instead of manning up and admitting what a turd of an offense he was putting on the field, Saleh scapegoated Wilson - who never had a chance. And the Jets organization is too effed up to realize what a zero of a coach they have in Saleh. And the OC's LaFleur and Hackett are bottom of the barrel, As far as Sanchez, Rex was a defensive coach. And if you watch him as an analyst on TV, he is still only a defensive coach. Rex's philosophy was don't let the QB do anything, ever. Hard to develop a QB under those rules.

[@Jcd5596]

@ortforshort7652 The jets O-Line wasn't the best, but it only turned putrid after 4 of the 5 starters got hurt. Zack magnifies all the O-line flaws because he holds onto the ball forever and takes unnecessary sacks. Implying this problem was all the jets' fault when the likes of Joe Flacco and Mike White both had more success than Zach in the same exact circumstances. Mark Sanchez was limited by Rex Ryan. And thank God for that. If Rex let Mark run the game, they never would've made the AFC championship

[@ortforshort7652]

@@Jcd5596 So Ryan was a good developer of quarterbacks? News to everybody except you, I guess. OC LaFleur was a one trick pony as a coordinator. His only offensive scheme was a stationary QB who was big enough to throw over the line. Opening up passing lanes for a shorter, mobile quarterback was beyond the scope of his extremely limited ability. It was an offense that suited the backup QBs not the starter which was why LaFleur was a miserable choice for OC but knowing that was beyond the scope of management who hired LaFleur's ability. So White would stand in for two games in an offense designed for him and take hit after hit until he was maimed by the end of the second game. No wonder he left town as quick as he could. Same for Flacco - another stationary QB with no mobility. At least Stafford with the Rams is a fit within LaFleur's limited skillset. LaFleur made Wilson stand in the pocket and throw out of a silo. The passing lanes that White and Flacco could throw over the line to get to Wilson was too short to work with. Wilson needs to move and have the scheme set up to his ability to be mobile and throw on the move and open up lanes while doing so. Trying to have a shorter guy throw over the line is stupid. Sean Payton will create lanes for him. Payton had his own short guy in Drew Brees and successfully created an offense for him. And Brees didn't have Wilson's mobility or athleticism. The Jets organization is an effing mess. If you've been a fan since Ryan and maybe before haven't you figured that out yet?

[@Jcd5596]

Lafleur comes from the Shanahan system designed around outside zone runs and mobile pockets designed around play action. Idk where you're getting that Lafleur asked wilson to stand in the pocket the whole time and throw without moving. I'd also like for you to name me a successful QB who's unable to stand in the pocket and throw. I also don't know why you call wilson a small QB. He's 6 ft 2. That's pretty average. If wilson ever takes a snap in a Denver uniform, it'll take all of 1 quarter before Payton is frustrated with Zach holding onto the ball forever and inability to play in structure. If Russell wilson wasn't good enough, Zach has no chance. Mike white played 2 years as a jet and started 7 games. He never refused to play. Never asked for a trade or release. He even resigned after the 22 season. Idk how u can say he left town as quickly as he could.

[@cobbler88]

Now Wilson can learn from Bo Nix. After all, Nix played more than twice as many games in college than Wilson did, and some of them were actually big. Wilson maybe played two big games in college. There was the Coastal Carolina game he lost, and the bowl game he won that year ... against a 6-4 UCF squad. 🤣

[@playahdub5287]

Jets with any other qb wins a playoff game..

[@albertcano]

Dan how do you know he did no work? He’s actually a super hard worker. Do your research

[@johng.4711]

How do you know, Alberto? His team hated him.

[@johnshull2454]

The Jets bust every QB.

[@stevefowler2112]

i thought Zach Wilson had a high bust potential...i didn't care for his college tape very much and when the sports world talking heads went crazy for him at his pro day when he threw that roll out cross body bomb on target...against Air, it seemed so asinine to me to take him that high.

[@tadlambert1493]

Jeff Fisher + Jared Geoff

[@roby14]

First Zach needs to loose the headband. He looks like the lead singer on Lover Boy.

[@Schwizzzz]

A player who cries after regular season losses thinks he’s gonna catch Brady? Cant make this up 😂

[@jessejordache1869]

I think having an offensive line in front of him would likely have helped.

[@Jcd5596]

They did and they all got hurt. Hard to plan for that

[@johng.4711]

Why did Joe Flacco and Mike White have amazing games behind those lines? Because Zach stinks.

[@Guyver_Master]

It Aaron Rodgers system and you try to put Zach Wilson playing Aaron Rodgers system. Let the guy fail or succeed for real. Aaron Rodgers was bench at least 3 year b4 he started over Brett

[@jinglebe11rainbow37]

Zach Wilsons mouth!

[@aldrob108]

Sean Payton has no magic quarterback dust. Drew Brees made Sean Payton, don’t get it twisted. Sean Payton was in on the hurt players for money scheme. That’s as low as it gets. He should have never been allowed back in the league. Stop promoting Sean as some great coach. The sooner he is out of the league the better. I hope the Broncos crash and burn.

[@cobbler88]

I wouldn't say one made the other in any order. But people get this whole "QB whisperer" thing about Payton. I ask them to give me a list of all of his reclamation projects and they can't seem to. Brees wasn't on the trash heap. He was coming off an injury and had simply been rejected by the MIA medical staff and a decision was made by the organization that changed college football forever. I think there's a definitely line between hurt and sh*tty. :)

[@wexwuthor1776]

Drew Brees unbusted.

[@cobbler88]

Brees was never a bust to begin with.

[@bza2356]

Jets hired one of the worst play callers. Had a horrendous oline and only one receiver who was doubled bc Lazard couldn't catch. Hoping Wilson does well from a Jets fan

[@rockstarg57]

Come see me in 5 years. Zach Wilson will be a starter.

[@rockstarg57]

In a league

[@rockstarg57]

Somewhere

[@rockstarg57]

Maybe

[@davidnelson6874]

Zach Wilson was very immature. If he ever outgrows his immaturity he might have a chance to prove himself. Facing the New York media isn’t for everyone, especially an immature kid.

[@user-cx6dr5ql4q]

And so of course the Jets will probably take a WR or Bowers rather than put talent into the trenches. Much like the Raiders, the Jets love their shiny toys and much like the Raiders, they remain irrelevant.

[@brendanroy452]

All I heard was that Caleb Williams is Gonna be a bust

[@cobbler88]

In all likelihood. He paints his nails and cries for no apparent reason, but I think the most damning thing is that he's actually stated that he wants to be a trend-setter. I assume that's not going to manifest itself in inner-city literacy programs.

[@frankpalancio8471]

Jets to blame for picking him. Million dollar arm 10 cent brain

[@Snowboarder16]

Haha well said!

[@justinbingham6898]

Was he traded, or thrown out with the trash? Payton must be smoking drugs. Wilson wasn’t good in college so I’m not sure what the jets saw in him.

[@wallywanker7435]

How much blame is on the 49ers for Trey Lance sucking ? They traded the farm to move up and get that stinker. When will it ever be the kid just ain’t good ?

[@user-zr4km5ns8t]

Does Dan Patrick really think that players being drafted into the NFL don't understand that iit takes work to succeed in the NFL? Good lord really? You're questioning whether Wilson put in the time? Why? Do you have any inside information that he did not? Name a QB other than Joe Namath who has ever done squat with the Jets. If you don't know if he did or not, don't act like you need to ask that question. It sounds pretty insulting. Give us some evidence without implying that a guy is lazy Dan.

[@leroyfisher9768]

Yeah he should have never been drafted

[@Muricans1776]

NY Jets owner treats the team’s players as just an expense line to be managed. Woody’s team valuation appreciates every year …. 7th most valuable team in NFL hasn’t made the playoffs in over a decade…. And hires and cycles the best worst coach available . Yet long waiting list for PSLs and Season Tickets. Wasted energy and money on a loser franchise. - Lifelong Jets Fan

[@codysorenson4298]

I haven't liked Zach since the game he had less than a 100 yards passing and had multiple turn overs. After the game was over at the press conference they asked him if he felt like he let his defense down and his answer was no. The defense that day gave up one TD. He's a bust

[@tomdolan9761]

When was the last time the Jets developed a QB? Vinnie Testiverde?

[@kxr203]

Testaverde was a vet that came in established. Pennington was the last one.

[@Snowboarder16]

Thanks to worst Jet coach, Adam Gays who won one meaningless game or Jets would have taken Trevor Lawrence instead of Zach. Thanks Adam!!!😢😢😢

[@johnnyjets2343]

The truth is right down the middle. Both sides, Zach Wilson and the Jets themselves are at fault for how it turned out. This wasn't a Sam Darnold situation where i felt like the Jets ruined him at every level. Darnold never had a chance. No coaching, no talent around him etc....Wilson at least had playmakers lol.

[@Jcd5596]

Crazy how people say wilson had no support where he had the ROTY receiver, a RB who was in the ROTY consideration before he got hurt and above all else, a Def that was top 3 at worst.

[@johnnyjets2343]

@Jcd5596 only thing that can be said in defense of Zach is poor offensive coaching in terms of qb development. As well as a poor Oline but that's also due to injuries mainly. Every qb that played had to deal with the same circumstances.

[@ErikCB912]

Thank you! Finally someone who actually understands the situation.

[@markgonzalez4199]

A bad offensive line is death to young quarterbacks. They get into bad habits and become gun shy. Joe Burrow is the rare exception.

[@jharp08]

Tbh Zach had no business being drafted that high. I remember I think a former player now analyst called espn out over the manufactured hype. I think he can still be a decent starter too. If you look at Zach as a 4th or 5th round pick, playing behind a bad line, his development is on schedule.

[@Jcd5596]

Zach was consensus #2 QB. This wasn't like mitch trubisky

[@michaelmcconnell7615]

From the Denver Broncos, to the Walmart Donkeys 🫏

[@Snowboarder16]

😂😂😂

[@REV.995]

Surprised they didn't change our colors to Walmart's with the new uniforms.

[@lordrayden3045]

Idiotic draft pick Remember when people wanted to give them a ton for thst pick?

[@ros73dros]

the Jets are an awfully run organization., and also drafting QBs is clearly tough...

[@nnjjee1]

Jets/Hackett are playing Payton, making him look bad bc they know Wilson will continue to suck

[@nnjjee1]

Payton is equal parts arrogance/overrated. Jets knew he’d take the bait; Payton is deluded enough to think he can fix Zach

[@roddoliver]

How can a coach look bad if he can't restore a broken player traded for a late-round swap? The risk is zero.

[@JJdeluxeCSU]

Hackett is not playing anyone, biggest buffoon / moron in the nfl and there’s a lot

[@DD-sr9xm]

It’s the Jets of course. And NY media gets their hands on a blue-eyed, blond haired Mormon with a hot attention seeking mom? Widly entertaining but ultimately a car crash.

[@johnhiz6239]

Woody like James D, should never be given the keys to the family car.

[@kxr203]

Who’s James D?

[@denverbroncosmilehighview9897]

"How Much Blame Is On The Jets For Zach Wilson Being A Bust?" 50% The NFL deserves the other 50% of blame. Ever since the NFL took the Disney marketing scheme and made the QBs coming out of college 'franchise princesses', the QB play for the NFL has suffered. Anyone who watched tape of ZW (like so many other so-called top round college QBs) need time in the NFL before even thinking of taking the field. Watching film of ZW, he did not have a good fundamental understanding on defenses and how to read them in relation to the play that was called on many occasions. You can get away with that at collage level with physical talent but it catches you at the pro level.

[@cobbler88]

100%. But only by definition. He's a bust because he's a 2nd- or 3rd-round talent that a team took No. 2. If he was taken No. 53 like Hurts, no one would call him a bust. It's his draft position that makes him a bust. We can try to claim he busted because of lack of development, but based on his college career there was no reason to believe he would be good. He was almost certainly fool's gold.

[@dustinhatch5271]

None I live in utah he sucked he was reckless with the ball very immature. He was not New York. Now the Mormons loved him But they don’t know nothing but the Bible

[@EdmundAspelund-vv9xs]

Stop making excuses if you stink you stink end of conversation if Ryan leaf went to so so he would of been awesome stop it

[@tonydejesus2134]

Very little. No matter the situation, a good quarterback shows SOMETHING before becoming good. Zach Wilson has been bad since entering the league, and when he had shown flashes, he only elevated his game to mediocre, not good. He probably got overdrafted because he shined during a Covid year in college.

[@yoholmes273]

Zach Wilson is one of the worst QBS of all time

[@OconByrd519]

Wilson should have never been drafted #2. That basically sealed his fate.

[@marcoclarke7212]

Zach Wilson is just flat out terrible using the Josh Allen comp makes no sense because the Bills gave Josh Diggs and the Jets gave Zach Garrett Wilson, so they both have a top tier WR

[@jamiewiesner135]

The Broncos are now the Denver Jets.

[@TheHighlanderprime]

That’s what Payton will disprove. Zach Wilson was not the team that ruined him.

[@Snowboarder16]

Oh that’s funny