How Much Faster are Race Cars than Road Cars Really?

[@Pixels1920]

Can we just appreciate how this man hops into a full race car with probably not much practice in it and pulls off a fast, clean lap? Channel is going in the right direction!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha thanks man. Was good fun out there!

[@buddahae86]

And the fact he’s talking to a camera as well!

[@Pixels1920]

@@buddahae86 yeah

[@Mantorix]

it looked like his breaking was a bit weak but overall looked quite good

[@Pixels1920]

@@Mantorix what do you mean his braking was weak, its solid and good for somebody who didnt even practice that much in that car

[@IBOO57]

That E36 reminds me of listening to the British touring car championships in the 90s so good. Brilliant episode mate.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah man it's intoxicating!

[@gavinivers8941]

@@KiwiCarLife The BTCC BMW cars were 4 cylinder, this E36 M3 is a 6 cylinder. They don't sound the same.

[@ruthho524]

the loud interior and gearbox noises of the race car really make it

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah man super cool aye!

[@wingmanlmg]

it would be awesome if the comparison was done with exactly the same tyre/tyre compound on both cars, however that is a very expensive endeavour so maybe next time haha. great video as always

[@KiwiCarLife]

I know... would have been cool but yeah not cheap!

[@rosstee]

Yeah, but if you start putting semi-slicks on both, the road car is starting to become less of a standard example and slightly more modified for the track, so the comparison isn't as clear. This was a good video anyway but I think the best comparison would be to put the same racing driver in each car - might make the difference even clearer.

[@michiel5160]

Racing tires aren't road legal and if they were they would be very impractical. Both cars are set up with their respective tires in mind. So it wouldn't be a good comparison.

[@marcos1669]

I guess there would probably still be about 3-5 seconds of difference

[@wingmanlmg]

@ Sure if the goal is to compare daily driver road car to hardcore track car. But I think people would be more interested to know how much of a difference the weight and chassis makes of a prepped hardcore track car vs a road car that's been modified to be good on the track

[@lucwijngaard8413]

You're driving really well and still have the time to give us a detailed explanation of the car's characteristics!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@kapualaniananialauagiagi8371]

Contents just getting even better. Love it

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@caves2065]

Awesome video Liam! You're a good driver!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks!

[@Chris.Davies]

Wow. Unlike most KZbinrs who have car channels, you can actually drive. And your steering corrections while sliding are bang on. Good work. Carry on.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@jackbryden8512]

Great video mate, super high quality. gave me top gear vibes big time!!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@leonismyname6573]

Hah, okay, I'm a subscriber, and actually didn't recognise you yesterday. But I was the instructor wearing the hat with the rubber duck print on it (with the red GR).

[@KiwiCarLife]

Hello!

[@leonismyname6573]

@@KiwiCarLife if you wanted to do some Autocross or Motorkhana content (typically grass in summer, and tarmac in winter - based in Masterton usually), reach out. Probably best to get hold of me thru the organisers of the event on Monday, rather than public share of email. Ask them for Leon's contact details.

[@jakobusvdl8395]

Great video. I'm really enjoying your content, the tests, the comparisions, etc, Hope the channel continues to grow, you deserve to do well (and to have a track car in the garage)

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@spadgm]

Simply an awesome vid mate! Your driving was super on point a joy to watch!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@christopherriley1187]

Another great video. That tuned m3 is awesome

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah man super cool aye!

[@christopherriley1187]

@ I thought so! You did a decent job of driving it & yes it was an awesome car

[@thatguyben3128]

_👏🏼super content man and the glint in your eyes when driving a race car says it all, great comparison_

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man

[@Foiiiii1]

Nice content man. Really shows lightness is a key factor when racing. I get passed by stripped MX-5s and GR86s in my stock M2 on the track all day (not to mention they are better drivers).

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@zeroyon4562]

The E36 looks pretty dialled in, real nice driving as well! That you can jump in to car and pedal like that is a testament to your talent. M135i does ok for what it is too. Track car when?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah man super well set up! Haha my gf has already said no to a track car!

[@morehavoc]

Great driving in the m3! awesome content

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks!

[@HongOuMandel44]

Damn, great driving. Clean triple healtoed downshift in a racecar that I suppose you didnt drive before is outstanding

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man

[@fourseven_productions]

Your content just keeps on getting better! What tires are on the M135i?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man! Oh they're dealership specials haha. I don't even know the brand.

[@GeorgeLeigh-n1k]

That's smile after the big slide is a man in heaven !!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Hehe yesss

[@liamlindsay1458]

What a video. Great content recently!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@deankomadina253]

amazing vid! i have an F20 bmw myself and i HATE the floaty handling of it so i added a front strut brace and a rear chassis brace too both relatively inexpensive and its a NIGHT AND DAY difference in the driving experience! highly recommend doing it to yours, it would take those corners with ease at the track.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man yeah I've heard a lot of people adding bracing to the chassis. One of the M3 owner's mates said he drove one and it felt like the front was disconnected from the back. I don't really notice that trait, but any chassis stiffening mods are good

[@jkeijzer1418]

Actually, it is the rear subframe bushes that are softer than 30 year old e36 non m subframe bushes. The rear v-brace and a front brace sure help, but a better rear sway bar and the subframe bushes really make the car connected. The f80 m3 has no subframe bushes, they are metal to metal, makes a huge difference in feel

[@toddscars]

Great video! Track car content is always enjoyable!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@Sampi_]

That looked like an awesome lap. Great video!!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Super fun!

[@justinmiller8993]

I'm more than a little jealous, that looks so fun

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha hopefully I could convey the fun factor through the video

[@jerrytong2209]

good driving mate

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks!

[@caymmihcardoso5226]

Nice video!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks!

[@adrianbunyard6015]

I miss my m135i. It was stage 1 so around 370 bhp. It was really fast and watching this video makes me miss it so much.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah man they’re great cars are

[@seanbad9457]

Used to work on E46 BMW 330i Stannic group n cars, which were 'standard cars' allowed the interior to be stripped, standard engine (nicely assembled) and drivetrain. Different brakes. In a drag race it would hold a standard M3 manual, but around a track it was no comparison. I think putting a turbo 135 against an old E36 M3 is an advantage to the 135 big time, and yet as you said the tweeks on a race car win hands down. Next time you look at the race car, just look at how much more welding there is on the chassis, in order to help stiffen it. That alone is an eye opener

[@KiwiCarLife]

On the turbo front I’d say it doesn’t make that much of a difference as the M3 had modifications and is a bigger engine. So they probably make about the same amount of torque anyway. Not to mention the fact you’re at high rpm the whole time where the extra torque of the turbo is irrelevant, and the M135i tends to heatsoak making it slower over time.

[@scootabrothaa]

wow you nailed that m3 you should sometime put the best tires you can on an m135 and see how much it improves

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man, yeah I'll get some PS5's at some point and see how much it changes the time

[@donraggo77]

Great video, you got skillz too ! ;)

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@carynelson8536]

Wow...kiwi boy can drive.....awesome Cary Mt maunganui

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man

[@annemllerpetersen1929]

Great drive and comparison!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks! 👍

[@DctrBread]

the road car would definitely get a much faster lap with some slicks, but that would put the soft suspension even further out of its element.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah definitely haha the soft suspension would just collapse

[@DctrBread]

@@KiwiCarLife you could make it work i think, but ... dont suppose your car comes with adjustable dampers?

[@lilbirdyboyee9999]

Great video!!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks man!

[@JFL7796]

My M135 was phenomenal on the road and ridiculous fun in the mountains, but it never felt at home on track.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah agree it’s definitely a road car

[@Brennonicolini]

Man,, I need that e36. that would definitely make all my problems go away and finally be able to enjoy life. It would make everything seem worth it.

[@KiwiCarLife]

That E36 is very cool. But in all seriousness, life is not just about material things. Surround yourself with good friends who care about you, find a job that gives you purpose, and get into an exercise routine. That’ll do wonders for your mental health, far more so than any car

[@Brennonicolini]

@ good advice. But that will not solve my problems. Mainly the place I live. And that’s why cars bring me so much joy and happiness. Because they are the only things that I can be truly myself in. No restraints whatsoever. And where I live cars are absurdly expensive therefore the options are limited. But whenever I can get an opportunity to drive, I just do it. So count every day you live there as a blessing. Stay safe.

[@michiel5160]

​@@BrennonicoliniWhere do you live? Is karting an option?

[@Brennonicolini]

@@michiel5160 Brazil. Yes, most definitely is an option. In fact it’s something I haven’t done in ages. Perhaps I should contact some friends and give it a try. It’s not really what I want but it may scratch the itch a bit. Thanks for your help.

[@strongerandwiser2023]

Would be interesting to see it against an m2 comp. That m3 is a weapon. Love the gearbox.

[@KiwiCarLife]

That would be interesting!

[@fishmate5443]

thanks for an interesting comparison..

[@KiwiCarLife]

All good!

[@rajvirvirdi8074]

nice heel toe downshifts super smooth

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks!

[@marcos1669]

So basically is the tyres that allow you to corner a lot faster, also brake faster and then the weight helps a lot too

[@KiwiCarLife]

Suspension setup, gearbox, everything contributes

[@marcos1669]

@KiwiCarLife of course, but there are things that make more of a difference than others, slicks can easily shave 2-3 seconds alone

[@topmarques]

Nice vid. M135i needs an LSD and some slicks to be anywhere. Still never going to be close to a stripped out and rigid race car. Good driving though!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah definitely man

[@HAWGGY85]

I've built a racecar based on Lada 2107 (roll cage, turbo engine, upgraded brakes and suspension, etc.), on a local racetrack Chayka Ring it laps around 1.32, while stock Lada does 1.5X. 1.32 is BMW M2 time at that track for example. So the difference is quite big.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Very nice! that's impressive

[@HAWGGY85]

@KiwiCarLife thanks!

[@17t135i]

The M Lite did alright! Makes me wonder what time it could achieve with some semis and lsd

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah surely under 1:20

[@17t135i]

​@KiwiCarLife what did the 130i do time wise? I'm too lazy to find the video lol

[@brandonotte3359]

So Good!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yessss

[@ttt69420]

These cars are 25 years apart.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Good spotting!

[@Keaguan]

Wowwie that’s cool they let you drive the m3 !

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah man! Richard is a legend

[@MisstakenDoge95]

What city is this track in? That m3 was so so cool.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Feilding

[@craigauty6756]

Id be far too scared to push the m3 that hard, great to see you trust your skills and then correct well when you push it too far

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah I guess I quickly realised how well the car was set up and so felt confident in pushing it. It's a fantastic drive!

[@boxlessthinker1973]

To better see the difference in the cars did you consider running the same tire on both cars?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Well, half of the comparison was also about seeing how much of a difference the tyres make...

[@JustPefectDetailing]

Jägermeister M3 now that's a proper race car

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yessss

[@osman_wants_speed]

Any idea how much of the time difference is due to tyres? 4-5 seconds a lap due to slicks over streets? Which of these mods you would suggest for a track car build?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Not entirely sure but that sounds about right. Definitely saving weight, adding grip and power is the best for increasing speed

[@Sam-zc3oe]

Do you have to use the clutch well shifting gears?

[@richardclulee9764]

Clutch on downshifts but flat shift up (no clutch and no lift off power)

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah it’s amazing you just yank the lever and it slams into the next gear. Super cool

[@N4CR]

Usually only 1st and downshift depending on the box. Same as motorbikes.

[@Sam-zc3oe]

Nice

[@copleysutton9863]

They make make the same power (Horsepower )But I'm sure the 135 has a lot more torque than the M3 because of the Turbo. This should help it in some fashion. Follow the BMW car club series in South Africa. Many of those cars are Turbocharged

[@KiwiCarLife]

Not necessarily, because on track you’re predominantly at full chat where power is more important. If anything the torque is actually a nuisance because it likes to light up the back end. M3 was far more controllable on corner exit

[@pogpogger4381]

Hey! When about was this filmed? looks hot there!

[@KiwiCarLife]

On the weekend just been. Got up to 28 degrees. Very warm!

[@pogpogger4381]

@ man you pump those videos out quick, committed

[@shadeburst]

Why doesn't the E36 have tunable top suspension mounts?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Not sure?

[@richardclulee9764]

Good question. Current setup offers enough adjustability for the current Owner and use case. Fully adjustable suspension is great if you can get the benefits via set up but that is quite difficult in practical terms as not a lot of freelance chassis tuning engineers hanging around club and national race meets in NZ. On the long list of possible upgrades but first up is Bosch Comp ABS!

[@atarPL27]

1:59 ain't no way youre 23 yo bro

[@KiwiCarLife]

Sure am!

[@leopers9225]

Literally no way 😂 Came looking for this comment, you must’ve lost some years along the way mate

[@MatVeiQaaa]

would be a lot more interesting to see road car on race tires vs race car

[@KiwiCarLife]

True, don’t have the budget for that

[@Aubergine666]

Could be good to comparé with same tire. It changes so much the result

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes true, although road cars usually also have road tyres so that was part of the comparison I guess

[@VK6AB-]

Depends on the cars and manufacturer a 991.2 GT3 Cup is about 4 to 5s per minute quicker than the 991.2 GT3 RS, then again the 991.2 GT3 RS is exceptional for a road car.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Wow even that’s impressive how much faster the cup is given the GT3 RS is already really fast

[@VK6AB-]

@@KiwiCarLife Cup Cars are very quick, very light and will adjust up to 6 degrees of camber and engines and gear boxes last 50 to 75 hours.

[@amraceway]

So how many dollars does each second saved in the race car cost over the standard car? What gives the best bang for the buck?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Well, road car is obviously going to be a lot cheaper, but in racing where a budget is less important every second counts

[@amraceway]

@@KiwiCarLife As a life time race fan I find racing a real contradiction. Modern racing is just a question of budget. A bunch of cars with very little improvement gave me much more joy to watch than any current bumper to bumper category.

[@114_kjk]

Hey bro, been watching your channel for awhile from Auckland. :) Doing a great job btw, keep it up!!! I'm thinking about upgrading to either BRZ/GT86 Manual(I know it's bit underpowered but...) or M135i Auto (i know its bit heavy but..) I've been driving a lot of FWD or AWD in my collection of cars in my past... I never owned RWD car(s) in my collection of owning one before. From your perspective, I'm going to daily and also track it more often so. What's your suggestion? I've been eyeing on 8spd ZF M135i since you own one and was gonna ask how's the reliability after been tracking it or daily it. Any recommendation will be great :)

[@KiwiCarLife]

Hey man BRZ vs M135i is a pretty easy choice imo. The M135i is much faster, has way more overhead for modifications, is already 6 seconds a lap faster on track out of the box and is a way nicer and more dailyable car with heaps of features. BRZ is potentially a little more reliable, but if you do your research into N55 common failure points like the valve cover seal, crank hub guard and making sure you overfill the oil a bit because they don't have a baffled sump, I wouldn't expect you to have any issues. Mine's been reliable

[@N4CR]

oiling and how much grip will determine how reliable they are on track. If you go big tyres get an accusump...

[@Sam-zc3oe]

Just gave my car a wheel alignment 😂

[@KiwiCarLife]

Very nice

[@friendlybucket7268]

0:20 racecar BMW already oil leak, LOL

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha oops

[@richardclulee9764]

Actually a fuel spill on this occasion.

[@lonelycaption1577]

Would love to see you review a stock e36

[@KiwiCarLife]

That would be cool! Done the Z3M coupe with the same engine and E46 M3 though. Imo, the Z3 and E46 are better than the E36.

[@nfssteve828]

test it with race car using street tires vs road car using full slick soft tires

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha goodness me that would be very interesting!

[@edmund111]

More racecars please

[@KiwiCarLife]

I will try

[@uliwehner]

who put the front tires in the rear and the rear tires in front?

[@KiwiCarLife]

I don’t believe they did? Which car?

[@uliwehner]

@@KiwiCarLife the m3 front tires said marks are RR, LR and RF and LF in back. may not matter if the sizes, offsets are the same, and pressures correct. just looks weird

[@waterbourne9282]

Very cool.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thanks!

[@ronjatter]

very good

[@KiwiCarLife]

@@ronjatter thanks!

[@andyy6481]

so a slightly modify street car with handling mods can catch up in reality and only cost 1/4 of the race car?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Well, yeah tbh the sequential gearbox and totally stripped interior are a bit overkill, a street car with coilovers, slicks and decent brakes will be not far off the pace

[@richardclulee9764]

@@KiwiCarLife 100% this is true. A modified street car with decent and not too expensive mods and slicks will get close to the times of the M3 but if you are looking for ultimate performance and times and 10th's matter then you have to spend the money and the time to get there. The sequential is a circa $30K mod to the M3 and changed lap times by around a second! All power to the vast majority of guys that race modified street cars week in and week out and have a blast doing it.

[@edmund111]

Wouldve gone back to manfield with the rolla for the driver training but am in japan haha

[@KiwiCarLife]

Next time man!

[@TehRuiAlv3z]

The 1 Series being 1 and a bit seconds slower than the IS-F shows how much of a boat that thing is....

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah surprising aye!

[@ruthho524]

hell yeah

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yessss

[@NicolaosSoldal]

I can tell you, I have 2 of the orange m3’s, I’ve raced them on a few different layouts directly against a road version of a lambo…. The orange m3 is faster… Scalextrics sure is fun with the kids… 😅

[@christopherbell7561]

Put some semi slicks on the road car and see?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes true, although road cars usually also have road tyres so that was part of the comparison I guess

[@christopherbell7561]

@KiwiCarLife I agree but wonder what the road legal semis are like. I take my road car to track dad's and found them night and day. Toyo 888.

[@MetalMagic-u5o]

What was the lap rime of 140i ?

[@KiwiCarLife]

1:23 ish, was showed on screen

[@loom63]

what bumper is that on the e36?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Not sure, some 90’s race car fibreglass looking one

[@huntercleworth9718]

Yoo did u go to hard park?

[@KiwiCarLife]

I did not

[@bitkarek]

unless you have the same tires, its not an apple to apple comparison

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yes but I guess that's the point. A road car is naturally going to be on road tyres too

[@bitkarek]

@@KiwiCarLife yes, but if you go on trackday, you can put slicks on there too... or at least semislicks. Not a problem, nothing a stock car cannot have. And it makes the most difference.

[@N4CR]

My S2K is caged and use it like a jungle gym to get into xD. Same height as you and prolly 10-20kg more muscle as a gym rat lol. When it's finished rebuilding maybe you will see it out. Way I see it is a road car might be fast for a lap or two.. until everything heats up. A track/circuit build car is going to do it for half a day or more.

[@KiwiCarLife]

That’s excellent, but yeah an S2 is even smaller! Wouldn’t be easy to get in at all haha

[@topherb83topher51]

Genuinely curious why sometimes this guys R's are pronounced as an "r" like in steering wheel but other times it's clearly a "w" sound...not hating just find it interesting🤷‍♂️

[@KiwiCarLife]

I have a rhotacism. Difficulty saying R's. Can't do much about it and people loooooove tearing into me about it in the comments. Joy!

[@topherb83topher51]

@KiwiCarLife not tearing into you at all I've learnt something new and would not tease people about that at all, just find it interesting.I too suffered with a lisp a long time still there a little bit, don't listen to the negative comments and ty for replying 🤙

[@harwat9463]

F80 M3 comp wouldnt even stand a chance against that E36, even an R8 would struggle if the circuit isnt fast enough.

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah it's really fast man!

[@nico.s7333]

But you don’t know how to drive a propper lap. As an amateur driver you can do such a comparison an relie on the result.. just the way you where the helmet in the 1 series is horrible. Second thing you don’t go left food brake… But the e36 is wow what an insane machine so well balanced and engineered. Just by watching it driving I can feel what faboulius setup it must have

[@KiwiCarLife]

Thank you Nico Rosberg for the feedback!

[@tiell_1]

3:10 massive?

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah it was like a super wide angle one

[@tiell_1]

@@KiwiCarLife you know whats also massive

[@kayukthebruh5601]

your bmw is the most bmw modern bmw. if only it wasnt a hatchback

[@KiwiCarLife]

M235i is definitely a better looking car, but the M135i costs half as much which is why I bought it

[@Corsa15DT]

put a set of cup 2 tyres and you will shed of 8 seconds

[@KiwiCarLife]

I dunno about that, lot of extra weight in the M135i, and the soft suspension will be totally overwhelmed

[@Corsa15DT]

@@KiwiCarLife well there's a good idea for your next episode. then you can put a set of coilovers ....

[@joakimdjerv4488]

Ford🤗

[@KiwiCarLife]

good cars

[@TheCavemanGreg]

What are they putting in the water, there’s no way you’re 23, im nearly 26 and have watched your cl9 videos for a few years (big accord fan, had two of them) and I would’ve said you were 23 back then at a push ahhahahah

[@KiwiCarLife]

Haha yep 23!

[@TheCavemanGreg]

@ haha crazy man, you seem more mature than I’ll ever be :p love the videos man, keep up the grind!

[@noext7001]

maybe you should have take the same car..

[@KiwiCarLife]

As in stock M3 vs track M3? Had to work with what I had

[@morior3027]

actually for the ammount of tuning the M3 got, I think our winner should be the M135i ! 10 second is nothing! Get sticky tires, stage 1 tuning, remove spare wheel and rear seats, and it will lap the same with not NEAR the mods the M3 got. The torque of the M135i and its better weight distribution, balances the suspension and weight difference... Don't get me wrong, thats all for a single lap, long term of course the track tuned car will do better!

[@zoltrix7779]

10s is nothing? Okay.

[@richardclulee9764]

Interesting observations. I agree that the M135 did really well and it's subjective to say a racer is better than a road car but I think it might be a stretch to conclude that with the mods you are suggesting the M135i would get into the 14's. My (educated) guess is that slicks would give 3 seconds per lap and a light tune and lightening another 2-3 seconds. This would put the M135i in at around the 1.19's, maybe 1.18's. The reality is that every 10th of a second below 1.17 is very hard earned and normally requires $1000's in modifications and track tuning to achieve. Of course the best way to loose time is to be a better driver and in this case both cars were very well driven by the same man. Well done Liam and excellent video. Maybe next time we will get you out in an actual race!

[@KiwiCarLife]

Yeah would have to agree with Richard. Even with slick tyres, tune and a bit of weight saving, I still wouldn't expect the M135i to get close to 1:14. That M3 is so light and nimble. You'd have to shed a good 200-300kg and at that point you'd basically be turning the M135i into a race car anyway. 10 seconds is a truck load of time to make up. Think about F1, if you're even 0.5s off the pace you're uncompetitive. Shaving 10 seconds will take more than just better tyres and a bit of weight saving.

[@tonyallpress]

sharn

[@morior3027]

@ im an f1 fun myself and looking forward to a very interesting season... maybe i was a little TOO EXCITED for the M135i... :P although if you do turn the M135i into a racecar, it WILL be faster :P

[@AllDayBlazer89]

bro got a ae86 na fully forged 210bhp at the wheels with the twin cam 4ge she rips at 9km 6.2 that cross over hust befor lift engagement 🥰😍🥰😍🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲

[@crampynz]

What?

[@Kiwitekediver]

🤨

[@dingus3182]

@@crampynzI think he’s talking about vvti crossover just when the car comes into its power band and switches to the high lift cam lobes

[@Sam-go3mb]

The username came in clutch to explain the comment lol

[@crampynz]

​@@dingus3182 I was wondering that, but 4AGE didn't have "lift". The 20 valve Silver or Black tops have VVTi, but no lift. Unless he meant 2ZZGE, then yes lift is present.