How Much Magic Find Do You Need? Learn For Ladder Season 3 Patch 2.6 | Diablo 2 Resurrected D2R

[@bobnewkirk7003]

When people describe "too much MF" I think they are referring to the balancing act between MF and Kill speed. Sacrificing kill speed for a higher MF will increase your likelihood of rolling a unique once the base is generated however it does not increase the number of bases generated. If you were able to theoretically go 20% faster at 200mF vs 300mF you would drop from 3.8% chance of the crown to roll unique to 3.4% chance for it to roll unique but have 20% more opportunities for it to do so. So in this instance 3.8 < 4.08 (3.4*1.20) which favors the lower MF for higher earned value. The efficiency change in this example is hypothetical so the impact of gear changes for you will have to be evaluated on a case-by case basis. However as magic find has diminishing returns, in general, as you gain more MF increasing farming efficiency (kill speed) becomes more valuable. Additionally, Runes and charms have value and are not influenced by MF (save Gheeds) so reduction in kill speed is a reduction in the earned value you accumulate during the duration of farming; which adds value to fast builds. More MF is always better, I agree, however not at the cost of kill speed. The equation is far more complex than just saying "this number is best" and ignoring all the factors like Class, Spec, Area, Target monster(s), items desired, Player count, player efficiency etc. At the end of the day it is far too complicated to "solve" MF, just play what you enjoy and because its not a grind to you you will play longer and have more opportunities to earn value. Are you going to see as many TC87 uniques in a week as a pitzerker spamming the Pits day in and day out? No. But if the pitzerker player burns out after 20h of farming you may see more than that player when you hit 40, 60 or 100h because you kept playing.

[@Lathlaer]

Exactly. I don't think it was ever a question whether "more MF = more good items". It has always been a question whether increasing your MF from 200 to 500 in order to have less than 1 percentage point more of getting a unique is worth the investment when it affects the killing speed.

[@alexanderadams4814]

I feel personally attacked by your pitzerker comment as I just took a month hiatus from the game due to loss of interest from running endless pits for hot garbage drops. Just hopped on and got a tals chest after 3 runs. I feel rejuvenated and more assured after this video :)

[@Batmannerz]

Not to mention: High MF actually lowers your chances of getting a high rune drop or a good base for a runeword, which can be used to simply trade for the item you're chasing. I like playing in the middle ground of roughly 200mf just so my odds remain decent for unique drops vs rune drops.

[@bobnewkirk7003]

​@@Batmannerz The Rune drop roll happens when the game picks TC which is Before MF is taken into account. MF has no impact on runes or bases dropped, only what quality the base rolls after the game picks the base from the rolled TC. the workflow goes: monster death -> drop/nodrop -> TC -> Base -> Quality (MF) Edit: you are correct that MF does influence chances for runeword bases, because the more MF you have the more likely the base will roll Magic/Rare/Set/Unique, however it does not change what base drops as that happens before (see above) and it based on the monster stats not the player stats.

[@aaronburdon221]

I've found that the sweet spot in regards to kill speed and mf is about 250. You can light them up, but still drop a decent amount of "good" items to use his terminology. I just wish mf worked with runes. You could even do the conviction calculation and have it work at 1/5 the rate of the usual mf (i'll even accept 1/10th). You'll drop more runes but they'll be totally random from el to Zod. That way they'll still be rare but not AS rare so normies can occasionally get good gear and the people who live on the game can actually achieve their perfect build without dropping 3000 hours into the game.

[@noknownthrone2487]

Wow, I know this is older, but still very relevant. I just wanted to say, this was probably the most well delivered video on d2 content I've ever seen. You explain things in a very great way!

[@MacroBioBoi]

Thank you so much, I really appreciate this.

[@noknownthrone2487]

@@MacroBioBoi I realize I've watched a few of your videos now, and you seriously articulate yourself and convey yourself in a way that really helps me, or I even just find more my vibe I guess. Didn't realize I wasn't subbed, so that's fixed! :D

[@ironbarbe]

Thank you for the amazing explanation! This can really help avoid burnouts!

[@MacroBioBoi]

My absolute pleasure

[@FrankieFresh]

What if I said activating perfect gem gives you hidden magic find.

[@aaronbeall8576]

Lol wtf

[@thatotherdan9984]

I'd say where is it on console

[@John_Conner_]

Bullshit it does nothing

[@treviousius]

This is exactly what I was seeing in PD2 and now it makes sense!

[@MacroBioBoi]

Magic find I'd a wild mistress

[@jeffhess8241]

I like the ending. Just keep farming your life away with countless hours you’ll eventually find it lol. That is Diablo 2 I guess.

[@MacroBioBoi]

You definitely need to enjoy the grind to keep playing after a week or two at the start of a ladder.

[@Dominik40301]

Its not always that game does not have any set item to give you for base that dropped, because you can get Death mask drop with 350-500 MF and still drop it as rare or magic item-no matter if set and unique version of it exists, its all based on RNG, i often get base that has unique variant, but drops as magic. And other times i get 3 unique drops from single Mephisto kill. Its all RNG.

[@lefgia]

Maybe a couple of patches later, they all add new unique and set items and give those bases a change for a gg or satisfying roll :)

[@heyguyslolGAMING]

I play a necro and I have a total of 3 due to the horrible respec system in this game. Hybrid Bonemancer/Summons (200 MF), Pure Summoner (200 MF) & Poisonmancer (130 MF). I honestly havent noticed a huge difference in the amount of rares & uniques w/ 200 vs 130. Sadly my Poisonmancer just can't fit anymore MF w/o a huge loss in dps but it seems fine for what it is.

[@FernandoMartinez-ix1nr]

I read somewhere that in older patches of original diablo 2, as in pre 1.09, uniques and sets were easier to drop from bosses and gambling. I also noticed that on rare occasions the game drops two or four sets or uniques in a rash of luck in a game when killing bosses, but it mostly drops garbage in version 1.13b

[@pmgpc69]

Thank you for that explanation! Very helpful. It’s also RNG. I was in Hell difficulty in Act 1. I had 50% MF and one of the monsters (didn’t pay attention because I wasn’t expecting to get anything) drops a Gheed’s Grand Charm. Low MF roll on it but still a Gheed’s Grand Charm.

[@Poolnoodlex]

This is honestly such a help, and clear answer to the decades old question.

[@fishermancounty777]

gj one of the most solid magic find videos i have seen

[@MacroBioBoi]

thx fam!

[@LethalShadow]

My takeaway is: We need set/unique items for every item type. :)

[@GBIGBIGBI]

Wow, this video blew my mind away. I wasn't aware of failed set items. Excellent content, thanks a zillion!

[@MacroBioBoi]

Thank you kindly, hope it helps alleviate some of the grind.

[@chlama]

OK buddy.. that was great video with excellent explanation (y) now I know a little more. thanks

[@MacroBioBoi]

I gothchu dog

[@Abber64]

I always found it best to have your MF at 200% or slightly higher. Any more and you are sacrificing too much kill speed. The key is to build up an inventory of high runes with your trades, and once you have that, you can reduce that MF even further for massive destruction, as with high runes, you can trade for anything you want. I am now fully stocked and only have 116% MF, which is perfect for super fast kill speeds and I have hte BER's and JAH's to buy anything I further want or need 😃

[@markmauk8231]

Imagine getting one of the few gg magic items in the game and its also a failed set item with double the durability. Wouldnt that be awesome? Finding a JMod with 172 Durability or something like that would be insanely valuable!

[@MacroBioBoi]

It would be so cool. The rarest version of the best item in the game, arguably.

[@trashtronics1700]

The problem is insitany solved by adding unique's and sets of every item d2r has that opportunity same with moders and you would see the difference instantly

[@walkinzorochi9461]

The take away is, thankyou very much for this, this refreshes my brain.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Awesome!

[@nagual8887]

Another really cool video man. Keep it up 🙌

[@MacroBioBoi]

Another really awesome comment. Thank you

[@osobaum]

Quality. Subscribed!

[@MacroBioBoi]

Appreciated!

[@stevendibble5739]

Great vid-agree that perspective is everything in games and life!

[@rivsynth]

Great video dude- I've been playing my SP PD2 Account for a while and having "Terrible" Good luck with uniques. I've found my first Zod rune and my first Tyreal's Might but still haven't gotten Gravepalm for my summon necro... Gonna keep grinding though!

[@MacroBioBoi]

GL on the grind!

[@roginutah]

Thanks. Good information. :)

[@caseygillitzer132]

Some thing I have noticed in my years and years of playing... Mf will greatly increase the amount of rare you find also... And alot of people sleep on gg rares.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Absolutely!

[@caseygillitzer132]

@ZyklonBeezy I think you need to learn how to read a little better bud. I know my sentence are fucked up but that isn't what I said. I said I have been playing for many years and it's a observation. You will see more rares then anything else with more mf.

[@digitalblaze8399]

Great watch indeed, I had 2 failed arachnids today /sigh one from meph other diablo saying that I got an ohm and vex on the runs at least

[@MacroBioBoi]

At least you got them runes

[@GeneralBardock]

dope breakdown my dude!

[@MostlyRCSlovakia]

Question - in dd2.maxroll calculator, there is 2 options to chose: Players (1-8) and Party Size (1-8) what is the difference between those or what does Party Size mean vs Players ?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Having people in your party and within two screens of you increases your drop rate more than having people in the game but NOT within 2 screens of you. Check out my guide on Player Settings for more specific info.

[@MacroBioBoi]

It's under resources.

[@mrsunny2139]

Ayyy what it dooo! Great video, very interesting.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Much love

[@RuneJohannesen]

Great vid as always.

[@Fender178]

I knew about failed sets and uniques from other Grail farmers like 3moth and Llama for example. Here is my motto when it comes to MFing. That you have a good balance between Dmg and MF because you if you end up with over 1600% MF like on a barb for example you end up doing very little dmg. Also man those D2R PTR builds are funny as hell. Blizzard really trolled the hell out of the players.

[@jprec5174]

That’s why on a barb you push your MF on your item find swap and item find evens out barbs who typically go for less mf so that 200-300mf is fine. Item find is 1.5x more items which means like playing on players 3 without being on players 3. So on players 3 an item find barb gets effectively around a 80% increased drop chance which is like doubling your mf. That’s why barbs are the best mfers. Item find is a Multiplicative value that bypasses the inherent limitations of MF. You have to balance MF by also factoring in your chances to drop more items which means killing faster and or item find.

[@jamesstewart2560]

You’re using a 3 piece tal set it looks like. Iv been going back and forth from using the lidless eye vs a spirit. The lidless eye reduces resistances but with the spirit I do about 4-500 more damage on firewall. Is it better to use a spirit since it’s more damage or should I use the lidless eye since it reduces resistances.

[@jedgurner1]

Spirit is for faster cast rate ... Faster casting will equal out to be much more than 400 extra DMG from lidless. What's your fcr? I hope it's 75-200

[@MacroBioBoi]

I like spirit over lidless.

[@michaelsander2878]

What are the iLevels of these failed set/uniques? Are these items that we want to re-roll? Is there any benefit to a failed item (other than the durability)?

[@MacroBioBoi]

There is no benefit to Failed Set items, they have the same iLVL which = mLVL that they normally would. They technically gain you 1 extra durability on an ethereal that means you can use it for longer before it breaks I guess?

[@KevinCarlino]

I knew about failed set items but for some reason, never connected this to my mf and drops, haha. Great video.

[@InAltum.]

Do you know if it's true that Cow King is bugged on console resulting in him not being able to drop Cow King set? I've killed him 200 plus times per difficulty and have about 20 Sanders boots to show for it leading me to believe it's true.

[@MacroBioBoi]

He's bugged everywhere. He doesn't drop cow king set

[@Alex-ms8mb]

does MF work with aura kills? i noticed life and mana per kill dont register, same with natures peace ring

[@MacroBioBoi]

yes it does

[@kuksio92]

in hero edit you can add plain mf, mf by level, and mf according to time of day too i made myself a fun offline walkthrough char with 4 sc's that get me around 3.5 k mf atm and it will be bigger as i lvl up and im not flooded with uniques, but there are many set items thou. And BTW if any1 has never tried to walk through the game fresh without a minimap i recommend u try :D im doing this atm and im havin a ton of fun :D A3 as u might think, was the best/worst :D

[@byunknwn]

Bruh why is this still a thread. 150-300mf for grinding spots and all the magic find u want to grind single target bosses.

[@MacroBioBoi]

But if you don't explain the nuances to people, they won't know why you pick the MF amounts that you do.

[@mikevw30]

how does this change the stats on finding white items? early ladder monarchs/threshers so on?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Drastically reduces the chance of finding white base items

[@joshsmith935]

This is off topic but does anyone know how to fix the black box glitch on ps5? my chain lightning is invisible and eventually turns to a black box can someone please help me.

[@markmauk8231]

One thing isnt right about that. I mean, I rarely see Caduceus and Sacred Armor but I saw both of those twice today. I was farming in the Pit with 543% MF. The Caduceus was one time magical and one time white, the sacred armor also once magical and once white...odds for that would be pretty low according to your explanation right? Shouldnt i get IK Armor or Griswold Weapon much more likely than not when two of those rare items drop?

[@MacroBioBoi]

It depends on what drops the item. If it's a normal monster it isn't always going to be magic quality as a minimum, but you are definitely more likely to get the set of those two items than the unique.

[@amfitness5598]

I feel like I just watched a video in the matrix lol

[@MacroBioBoi]

Who's to say that you didn't?

[@tomaszpawlik5091]

i dont think people ever tell to just lower your mf, the advice is to sacrifice mf for clear speed/surival(which is just clear speed in roundabout way)

[@pikkagtr1942]

MF vs kill speed ALWAYS choose kill speed more pulls on the slot machine is ALWAYS better than higher odds...within reason If I can kill 2x MORE things in the same amount of time @250% MF vs. 500%MF I'd choose the 250%MF and 2X Kill speed anytime

[@GingerDRan]

does crafting with a failed set item change anything?

[@MacroBioBoi]

It does not affect crafting

[@JJ-iz5ql]

You know what.... Idc what senpai says about you, you're alright.

[@MacroBioBoi]

xD

[@Chanceey]

Thanks for the explanation, I think higher MF does help at getting more uniques and set items. At the end its all about patience and expectations, I was frustrating at finding a unique diadem after seeing someone found 6 in 1000 pit run, I almost give up when i did 2000 run and still couldn't find it. And then i changed my expectations to just try finish 50 runs daily not hoping for griffons every run, and it finally dropped at 3200 runs. Did expect that coming at all. SO DON'T EXPECT your EXPECTATION when MFing

[@MacroBioBoi]

Exactly 💯☺️💯

[@jman4083]

Will pets be affected by MF? If I put on MF gear and I summon my wolfs and they do all the killing will the MF calculate for them?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Yes

[@jman4083]

@@MacroBioBoi Sweet thanks!

[@frankenstein3163]

What about farming for gg blue items like 4 soc shield and 3 soc circlet ? Does lowering mf help ?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Nope. The more magic find the better, unless youre farming Super Unique monsters.

[@frankenstein3163]

@@MacroBioBoi awesome. TY TY TY. PS. So if I'm only farming SU monsters I should reduce mf for blue items ?

[@scorch4299]

but i dont pick up a crown regardless of whether its magic rare, set, or unique...

[@MacroBioBoi]

Sure

[@willperkins6181]

Does this mean I can roll a double durability JMOD? Game attempts to roll a set monarch, and reverts to dbl durability magic item, then rolls jmod as mods?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Yep

[@Drakenrider]

Live by Diablo, Die by Diablo.

[@SohrabGlass]

I made an offline character with 5000mf and didnt see many blue items

[@bryanruncie5105]

I’ve hit at least 6 shakos that rolled rare instead of unique.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Rip. May the luck be forever in your favor.

[@bpagan32]

The problem is finding sigons and isenharts in hell all the time then huh...

[@Shortpacman]

People magic fund?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Apparently some people do

[@fang5terf0xy]

How can the game not have set items to give to you?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Because there isn't a set item for every base item in the game.

[@fang5terf0xy]

@@MacroBioBoi even if i farm Countess and Andariel on Hell with 180 magic find on my level 85 paladin i would find tier 1 loot like plate belt instead of war belt

[@MacroBioBoi]

@@fang5terf0xy I'm not sure what that means based on your question.

[@fang5terf0xy]

@@MacroBioBoi i mean i would find items that wouldnt go well with the difficulty level because of low defences Like how yesterday i farmed the summoner and i but my mf armor on and he only gave me gold

[@64jcl]

Thanks for the great explanation. There is a lot of misconceptions and nonsense being spread about the RNG. I personally feel 500 mf is a nice amount to run with without sacrificing too much of damage output on my sorc.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Glad it was helpful!

[@chrisschmitz237]

Believe it or not I've been studying the game myself and I've been getting my best drops with lower magicfind. I use skullders, shako and oculus and all magics drop but yet if I get rid of the skullders and oculus which is quite a bit of magicfind I fi ally found my SOJ(on a double unique ring drop), kiras guardian, many more shakos and oculus's, goreriders and arachnid mesh. 6 month barely getting anything til I used a lower magic find setup.

[@sosocrazy1234]

Bring back 1.03 magic find!!! Diminishing returns is lame af...

[@scorch4299]

200-400 mf is really all ya need. and going past 450 is almost worthless

[@Chizzoide]

I farm for items with high durability so this is bonkers!!

[@Ubeogesh]

The example with quhab and crown doesn't make sense. With 0 mf you get 69% (nice) magic and 31% rare quhabs, with 500 - 53% magic and 47% rare. So increased MF has decreased the quantity of magic items. But in reality you get more blues with more MF because more normal items turn blue. It has nothing to do with failed sets.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Remember that we're looking at a monster that cannot drop White base items. They always drop a minimum of Magic quality.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Also nice

[@Ubeogesh]

@@MacroBioBoi yeah but in reality players kill more than just a single boss (even if you play pit zerker, merc will often slay random creeps around). You were talking about perception after all. If you were to just farm Mephisto and not kill anything else - you would not see an increase in magic items with MF.

[@MacroBioBoi]

@@Ubeogesh it doesn't really matter what you kill. Failed sets account for a massive amount of the magic items that drop in the game, especially at higher MF amounts. The example makes sense to highlight it, and the target you kill won't change whether or not there's a set item for the base that drops. I'm not actually sure what you believe I've miscommunicated. More items dropped by non-elite monsters will be Unique, Set, or Rare before they drop as magic EXCEPT for the fact that the majority don't have a Set to drop so it drops as magic instead.

[@Ubeogesh]

@@MacroBioBoi the statement that one gets **more** magic items from increasing mf "because of failed sets" is still invalid and you have proven it yourself (the proportion of magic items compared to rare\set\unique strictly decreases with MF).

[@maamaatati]

My Sorc 275 MF only drops up to Shael one run with an assassin 75 MF I get an ist

[@MacroBioBoi]

Magic Find does not affect Rune Drops.

[@maamaatati]

@@MacroBioBoi I don't know how I feel about that...

[@MacroBioBoi]

@@maamaatati relieved maybe?

[@Uncle19]

Pretty sure i'm still doing something wrong :P 20 mf cows for 50 ish runs only got me a mal... I feel like thats rough :X

[@MacroBioBoi]

Magic find doesn't affect rune drops in any way, if that helps.

[@Uncle19]

@@MacroBioBoi yeah that’s fair, I’m trying to run with near zero for the whites. Google just told me it’s an 400 run expectation for Lo and higher so I guess I’m just under sampled :p

[@iQfRAG1]

okay good video. i guess that explains everything..the game must hate me

[@MacroBioBoi]

The game hates us all equally.

[@slavetothesystem9854]

150-300 mf. All you need. The rest is luck. Having 1000% mf doesn't mean you'll get more unique drops. Yes it's a higher % but rare/set drops are increased more & magical drops are insanely high.

[@flonkas]

all of theother diablo youtubers could learn a thing or two from you about titling videos. You always have excellent titles that draws people in.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Thx fam

[@spiekertt]

What a crap: In my first 2 weeks of ladder season2, with a 50-150mf sorc: Viper, 3 occul, 2 shako, arach, 2 mara, raven, gheeds, HoZ, chance, 2 tomb reaver, 2 goldfind, 3 sunders. Last 4 weeks with 300 mf, higher kill speed due to the found items: Titans, goldfind, gheeds, viper, duriels, thunderstroke, eshutas, 6 sunders. That is nothing in comparison to my first 2 weeks. There is something wrong with mf! THIS is not only bad luck....

[@MacroBioBoi]

Magic find has nothing to do with that. That's called RNG

[@spiekertt]

@@MacroBioBoi This is not randomness. If I compare 1 day of 5000 kills: No good items, to another day of 3 good iteme, fine. I had that too. But I compare 2 vs 4 weeks. Over that period there has to be an average. But its not. Its a total imbalace by at least a factor of 4. (could make it factor 8: 2x2 vs 0.5: double time, double mf, 30% more kills vs half items). And I know, double mf does not mean double drop rate, but the kill speed has almost doubled. If you are right, then I will have an upcomming week of f$%&!#!g luck,....

[@MacroBioBoi]

@@spiekertt but how many set and unique items that you don't consider to be valuable did you drop in that time? I bet the answer is a LOT.

[@markcjakims]

= RNG sucks A most often

[@bryanruncie5105]

200-350mf

[@MacroBioBoi]

Those are numbers. What do they mean?

[@resonatinglo]

Hmmm...

[@lvl99dust]

I dont know kung-fu but i know 400 mf is primo...

[@ahmedagha2928]

150-300 mf is enough.

[@MacroBioBoi]

For what?

[@Papa_Kemsu]

More players = more % drop runes, rare items, set items, unique items...And MF 100% is trash, all are your Luck & joke(%MF).

[@MacroBioBoi]

Wut

[@snowboarddan5899]

Who cares the point is to grind anyhow

[@MacroBioBoi]

A lot of people. Like, most people.

[@Brandon-zh4uw]

Cuff me.

[@MacroBioBoi]

XD