How much of AMC's Turn is historically accurate? A discussion with Michael Troy

[@2cool4u61]

This show was just too good, i enjoyed every minute of it. The costume, the characters, the plot… i just loved it all! Its hard to make me cry and the ending of this series had me teared up like a baby! It was just so good i could not put it down. I was left with a sense of pride and honor for our country. One of AMC’s best series to date!

[@debbie9929]

AGREED,100%

[@marquisdelafayette1929]

A lot of people didn’t get paid during the war and put out their own money including Washington. Also, the governor of Pennsylvania threatened to pull PA out of the war if he didn’t let the court martial go forward. Like the situation with Tallmadge yelling at Washington about Lee and being a traitor when he said “and the FRENCH can not know this!” . Washington had a balancing act of a million political, personal ,and military issues that most people didn’t understand.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

and the craziest part of it all is that he never tried to take ultimate power. He could have pulled a Napoleon should he have so desired.

[@clayb1832]

Me and my gf just finished it. She cried so hard at the end, we loved this video!

[@Abstrakt_YT]

Just finished it, I was on the verge of crying, and then he said that his son died and it all came out.

[@johnstown2451]

It’s such a great series. It’s sad that this show is barely known by so many.

[@Archie_Fletcher]

My favorite ending yet ❤️💔

[@AdamJWM]

I share the same sentiment as many others here. I absolutely crazy about this series. I loved my country before but this show gave me an even deeper pride and passion to learn more about our American history.

[@nedmar423]

Yep..just have a hard time supporting the Americans who didn't abolish slavery until much later.

[@skate103]

​@@nedmar423dude grow up😂

[@Jesse-cx4si]

Great interview and conversation!

[@marktwain580]

Great series, though. Very good casting and cinema photography. I grew up in historical New Jersey and continue to learn of our founding. This subject and series should be paramount in our early education, for I believe we’d be free of recent departures and false theories from the freedoms we fought for and are cavalier of in light of those who died for it.

[@spiritwardiaries]

Americas history... ordinary people doing extraordinary things.

[@GoogleUserOne]

Not so much

[@prman9984]

Now it's below-average people doing crappy things.

[@junior.von.claire]

🇺🇸 Yes ma’am 🙏🏻

[@axeman7588]

John Graves Simcoe was a creepily evil character in this story but as a real historical figure, after the revolutionary war, he became the Lieutenant Governor General of Upper Canada... where he essentially founded the city of York ( today known asToronto ). He then enacted laws to criminalize slavery in Canada and created a force to protect Canada from the militarized growth of the new USA. Canada won the war of 1812 with the USA of course. Today Canada still celebrates with a national stat holiday called Simcoe Day the first weekend in August is always a long weekend.

[@debbie9929]

Interesting

[@Justin-mb1bq]

16:34 not entirely true. When Robert roggers makes the trip for Abraham in the show he poses as Austin roe to get the message from the quaker

[@bktmexc]

Started re-watching the show last week and was about to post the same thing about Rogers. Good catch!

[@Justin-mb1bq]

@@bktmexc yeah idk what my obsession is with the shower, but I've watched it over like 4 times lmao

[@smokinlouie9885]

Bought the show on Vudu and I am rewatching it.

[@tantoismailgoldstein6279]

I like the show.

[@FlowerChild65]

I recently did a re-watch of the series and came to KZbin wanting to find more info about the real history. Very interesting facts here about Abe's real family. I appreciate Troy correcting the record on Simcoe here. The real John Graves Simcoe basically helped found Upper Canada, what would later become Ontario. He was a staunch abolitionist and did a lot of good things. I don't want to over sell it, because he also helped to uphold colonialism in other ways, but he wasn't the horror movie villain this show characterized him as. Some of the attributes the show gave to Major Hewlett, were actually true of Simcoe.

[@NuNugirl]

Palisades and Tappan NY was filled with many families who were on opposite sides. An example is Mollie Sneden, who operated the ferry in Palisades or Sneden’s Landing. Mollie was ordered to stop, because she and most of her Sons were Tories. Her Son John was a Patriot, so he was allowed to run the Ferry between Palisades and Dobbs Ferry. Andrea was imprisoned in the Inn, tried at the Church and hung on Andrea Hill, in Tappan NY.

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Sounds like there should be a movie about Mollie Sneden!

[@jaysonp9426]

I wanted 4 more hours of this

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it! If you want more American Revolution content, go check out Michael's podcast!

[@cameronkim6859]

2:20 I watched all the seasons so I instantly knew the answer Abraham Woodhull was a real person

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Haha awesome! Good job!

[@RS-cl5wg]

I don’t think these 2 paid much attention to the show. When the historian brings up certain names like Austin Roe and Cato, neither of them remember that they were also mentioned in the actual show. 16:09 16:56

[@marlenedivia3994]

Hey, Michael Troy! Nice job!

[@MajorRobertRogersRanger]

Those Turn fans out there may recall Robert Rogers, the antagonist who first tries to hunt down and destroy the Culper Spy Ring but ends up helping them. His adventures are synopsised here - kzbin.info/aero/PL3ewjUZii91I2Y8DAR7nW74qsdO7nnz0V

[@jawo8754]

His books on being a "Queen's Ranger's" is still used today as a training manual for the Green Berets.

[@monstermarc227]

dude love it!!!!!

[@GoogleUserOne]

Rob Rodgers calls himself Roe

[@smokinlouie9885]

Simcoe was killed in Harry Potter.

[@sanguine111]

boring to look at....

[@wolfcommander6009]

Dude did u even watch the show? Lol jk great podcast

[@milescompton4485]

No pics? Step it up

[@setapart1159]

Why do you have the one eye on your intro?

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

The eye is part of the podcast's logo, because it's about movies and TV shows that you watch

[@tommythompson7941]

It was a soap opera of sorts and I question the historical accuracy of it.

[@kenlandon6130]

A lot of it is utter nonsense. For example, the idea that John Simcoe was a raging psycopath.

[@thomasmills339]

The American revolution was a lot different than portrayed in this and any other TV series or movie. The only real benefactors were the founding fathers and their friends who got to keep all their money and slaves and land. The British taxes were a little unfair but not ridiculous. They were levied to pay for the French and Indian War that essentially saved the colonists. The war fir independence claimed only about 6,000 people. It's a minor event at best that is dressed up as a major one. Everthing that happened as a result would have happened anyway. The crown was broke and fighting a number of other wars and were spread thin and there was an ocean between us. They would have left anyway.

[@promontorium]

Maybe, maybe not moron. But this is HOW it ended and so by that FACT, it is necessarily important. And because it was lead by a moral and political theory, that shaped what America became after the fact. See dummy, you have no explanation for why America wouldn't end up like Canada or Australia, equally or greater in distance, still tied to the crown, never adopted the concepts of individual rights supremacy.

[@theyeticlutch3486]

Nice revisionist attempt at history

[@NuNugirl]

Not a minor event for my small Hamlet in New York State. My River Town’s area is where all this went down. Our local families contained both Tories and Patriots. It was a matter of life or death and they were not wealthy people. They demanded freedom. John Andrea was imprisoned, tried and hung less than a mile from where I am writing this.

[@ArmyVetTrumpGrl]

@@theyeticlutch3486 Right. Funny how we still have them Tories floating about.

[@TheDmitriProject]

Le Chuckles in *French*

[@tmac8892]

Very little was historically accurate.

[@bryansteele832]

Well 1) It's a television show. Things will get twisted and fabcirated to keep people engaged. 2)these people were running a spy ring. Do you think they were keeping journals and diaries of their exploits? They only have so much to go off of. I'm just glad this show exists and makes an "attempt" to be accurate when it can.

[@promontorium]

Actually you're dead wrong and your comment was pointless.