How Much Paint Do I Need to Paint My Car?

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Paint Society

Paint Society

Жыл бұрын

Concerned that you won't have enough paint for your vehicle or even worse over buy expensive material? in this video we go over exactly how to calculate how much paint you'll need from primer, sealer, base and clearcoat! Get your pen and paper out because your project is about to begin!
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@scorpionpaint
@scorpionpaint Жыл бұрын
Thank you my brother for having been with us again sharing another video, and thank you for bringing our work to your audience, I hope we can do many more this year🤙🤙
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
Thanks for having me brother! You and Yandy did an awesome job!
@scorpionpaint
@scorpionpaint Жыл бұрын
6W4
@antonioprado8068
@antonioprado8068 5 ай бұрын
​@PaintSociety I saw the primer and clear you use with toyota but out of curiously, which brand and line did you use for tge base. I have a 4runner and would like to use the same to keep my toyota consistent with brand as my car is a 2006 and the clear is still 💯. Just needs a heavy buff and polish to bring back tge shine
@antonioprado8068
@antonioprado8068 5 ай бұрын
​@@PaintSocietyalso I'll be using a lvlp gun on a 25 gallon tank. R500. I've seen all your lvlp videos and your amazing btw
@NGAAutoTV
@NGAAutoTV Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Brian! The level of detail you are providing is astounding!
@lenwhiteside
@lenwhiteside Жыл бұрын
Thank you Brian for all the great videos, your knowledge and information gave me the confidence to paint my boat and I am so happy with the results. I took notes after watching your videos, and spent hours prepping and trying to do everything right the first try. Very happy with my results.
@Pavelek88
@Pavelek88 Жыл бұрын
I always love that quote at the end about not overthinking, it gives me SO MUCH confidence :)
@Dr_Kenneth_Noisewater
@Dr_Kenneth_Noisewater Жыл бұрын
South Denver (S. Littleton) has a Sherwin Williams Automotive store that I recommend. Last summer I did my son’s front bumper cover and they helped me a ton bc I told them I was a novice home painter. They gave me a lot of good info (and tbh this channel is solid gold too!) I did the stuff this channel recommends (2 primer, no sealer, 2 base, 2 clear) and the job came out great even with silver metallic. No issues.
@giaenergia
@giaenergia Жыл бұрын
Hi Brian! I´ve got 2 days of binging on your videos and I can already tell I´m way further ahead then I was 2 days ago. I´ve got a car sales here in Spain, repair garages and lately a massive car body paint that I've set up. I´m having troubles building the team and I must learn how to diy for just in case. Next week I'm having my private painting course with the company I'm buying my materials from and I wanted to get ahead of the information thus your videos, your manner of explaining different details has helped me a lot. So I'm sending you a massive thank you!!! It means a lot to meet awesome teachers and professionals worldwide and make the world a better place through our collective work and passion for doing a brilliant job. I appreciate it!! I know it takes time and effort to build these videos too, apart from your daily tasks so yes, I'm grateful and it really means a lot!!
@raulzavala7206
@raulzavala7206 Жыл бұрын
Thank you my Friend 20psi on the clear worked beautiful laid down flat and the base at 21psi worked as well Blessings always and thank you for the information and inspiration
@kimwilliams7485
@kimwilliams7485 Жыл бұрын
i always watch your videos but of all the other vids i learnt the most in this one. i love how u explained the fountions of sealer vs primer
@DannerPlace
@DannerPlace Жыл бұрын
This is a very helpful posting. Especially the list of product resources. Thank you.
@carmenallocco6497
@carmenallocco6497 10 ай бұрын
Brian, thank you so much . I really love to paint cars and aircraft but your information has helped me so much.
@Nohandle146
@Nohandle146 Жыл бұрын
Great video as usual - thanks for the time and effort, always learn so much.
@billybritt6401
@billybritt6401 Жыл бұрын
Im teaching a Spanish guy . He is awesome. I've been teaching him about a month. I'm going to let him see your videos. It will help him when I can't. Awsome videos.
@PhillipHall01
@PhillipHall01 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Brian for the OUTSTANDING video! Phillip Hall
@angeldejesus65
@angeldejesus65 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Last week was lookomg for a video like this... wondered how much paint i needed
@JerryJrsGarage
@JerryJrsGarage 4 ай бұрын
Awesome video! Straight to the point. I always binge watch before doing paint projects because it’s been so long since I been to a class for it 😂
@Supanova70
@Supanova70 5 ай бұрын
Love this!!! Going to test out your theory but adding 2 oz with using my Iwata guns
@ysitrim88
@ysitrim88 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Brian 😊 Very informative!
@franklyn315
@franklyn315 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the great info! I will try to paint my 93 toyota supra!
@davewallace5008
@davewallace5008 2 күн бұрын
12.50 - ROFL! THIS just happened to me! I repainted my sons Evo 8 front bumper and managed to cover the entire bumper with base and then ran out. I had just under one half of a litre of clear left, so watered it a little more than usual. Managed two coats and the last bottom lip I ran out! It can't be seen as such so I am not too concerned, but I count myself very lucky on this one.
@raybates3119
@raybates3119 Жыл бұрын
Nice instruction! Some O'reilly's mix Nason and some NAPA does Martin Senour/Crossfire/Finish1, which all are Sherwin Williams branded, if I'm not mistaken. I think that largely has to do with what the body shop/paint distributor ratio in your area is as to whether they mix paint or not.
@russelljconquerslifehawkey
@russelljconquerslifehawkey Жыл бұрын
I just got the job at bmw thank you for all that you do
@kathrynmckenna7043
@kathrynmckenna7043 Жыл бұрын
awesome job with great tips
@kikimushroom94
@kikimushroom94 Жыл бұрын
The video we have all been waiting for
@eortega22
@eortega22 Жыл бұрын
I am absolutely hooked on your videos. I love the channel and an added bonus since I speak Spanish, Scorpion Paint’s channel is another favorite of mine.
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
You got lucky. Pedro is great !
@billbliss2500
@billbliss2500 Жыл бұрын
So, much to learn!
@DachsAutos
@DachsAutos Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! That paint turned out great. I can't thank you enough for all of the tutorials. While some may see the same process over and over, each video you have a little different spin on the process with different tips and techniques.
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@azeezsodik
@azeezsodik Жыл бұрын
@@PaintSociety how can you help me sir
@azeezsodik
@azeezsodik Жыл бұрын
This is my work sir from Nigeria
@azeezsodik
@azeezsodik Жыл бұрын
@@PaintSociety this is my work sir how can you help me sir
@Smoovindecat
@Smoovindecat Жыл бұрын
Fantastic job!
@WildDigger
@WildDigger Жыл бұрын
Great informative video. 👍
@boudreauxcollision2858
@boudreauxcollision2858 2 ай бұрын
Love the double gunning!!!
@mellis181
@mellis181 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the videos!!! Couple of questions. I'm painting my 66 Mustang in my garage. I'm trying to decide what brand paint to use. Not going for a concours look...just something that will look going at local shows. I have researched Omni, Limco, and Nason. I will be doing 2 stage. I'm leaning towards Nason but would love to hear what you think of these brands. I'll be using an LVLP gun if that makes a difference. The base will be sprayed over an Eastwood 2K urethane primer.
@nahashonkimani4013
@nahashonkimani4013 Жыл бұрын
I'm so grateful for you info me on how to know right quality of material in painting work thanks very much brain but I have questions what do you mean by sealer coat please let me understand
@arthurdejager1775
@arthurdejager1775 2 ай бұрын
Thanks your channel rocks ! I painted my 1st set of wheels for a $ considering I'm unemployed
@jeffreyeaton9934
@jeffreyeaton9934 Жыл бұрын
I remember you used the term orientation coat to describe last coat of base to ensure coverage lol I know it has many different terms control coat 1/2 coat drop coat also. It could be considered for beginners
@roberthewitt8671
@roberthewitt8671 Жыл бұрын
Love the videos learnt loads and appreciate the time you take to do them but still confused with primers for plastic fairings. I have fixed them, filled them and sanded upto 360 grit ready for primer. After using an adhesion promoter which primer? Acyclic, epoxy, sealer? Will be painted in 1k white pearl. Any help would be appreciated 👍👍👍👍
@angelmorales220
@angelmorales220 Жыл бұрын
Nice job guys
@robinjamesclemente2333
@robinjamesclemente2333 Жыл бұрын
Awesome job
@Smoovindecat
@Smoovindecat Жыл бұрын
Great video I just wondered what happens in those door gaps.? How does the base cover the sealer primer ?
@agnismk1
@agnismk1 Жыл бұрын
My contry Latvia dont have sealer. We only have wet on wet primers. Regular primer but need use more thiner 20-25%
@havardmclemore8424
@havardmclemore8424 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff.
@HEADBANGRR
@HEADBANGRR Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the great information! God bless
@m1h8r
@m1h8r Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MS-kp5qd
@MS-kp5qd Жыл бұрын
Awesome 👍
@billybritt6401
@billybritt6401 Жыл бұрын
That's what I do. I take my vehicle apart to. Hate getting paint on my Chrome are rubbers.
@tsrtrickster8461
@tsrtrickster8461 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@fcastrovelez
@fcastrovelez Жыл бұрын
Great videos, keep it up. How hard is it to change the cars color?
@jugz9130
@jugz9130 Жыл бұрын
While my car was getting painted the painter showed me around and his bottles which were two. They both cost 450$. The pain was the variant of a rxs type s with pearls. The rxs type s only has one variant so it was easy to find it but it was pricey. His paint was chromax
@helpeveryoneinlife
@helpeveryoneinlife Жыл бұрын
LOVE YOU, SIR.
@mehdiajmi2255
@mehdiajmi2255 2 ай бұрын
Good job
@ronalves9118
@ronalves9118 2 ай бұрын
Great video. But I am getting ready to buy a 35 Ford Truck from Factory Five Racing. The kit has 17 panels all in fiberglass. Cab, 2 doors, 3 hood pieces, radiator cover, 4 fat fenders , 2 running boards, 4 bed panels. Most of the panels will need to be painted both sides. I guess I will start with a primer after I finish the body work. Then use that as a idea as to how much paint I will need. Right now I am thinking I will need 3 gallons of primer, 2 gallons sealer, 3 gallons base and 4 gallons of clear. Will be using PPG Paints, because they have a store 15 minutes from my home. Thank you Ron USCG RET
@jose15238
@jose15238 Жыл бұрын
Big fan of the channel! If i buy a primed bumper online do i still need to prime? Or am i good to start painting? Its just a project car
@ray6808
@ray6808 9 ай бұрын
Great video. What type of compressor do you recommend? My budget is like 200 -300 dollars.
@TruthHurtLiars
@TruthHurtLiars Жыл бұрын
Hi Brian, what tip size & pressure do you recommend for the sealer?
@josephperez2331
@josephperez2331 10 ай бұрын
What kind of matte clear do you recommend? Im in california thanks love your videos
@anj315
@anj315 Жыл бұрын
Great subject if you can do a in dept and detail video of cut and buffing please , and matching factory orange peel Thanks
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the idea!
@MrBgwolf
@MrBgwolf Жыл бұрын
My paint supplier has a primer sealer I have used. Question would I be better of to use a separate primer and sealer.
@MiscellaneousMcC
@MiscellaneousMcC Жыл бұрын
Hello! Are the amounts for primer and base the number of ounces per panel per coat, or for all coats? Im preparing to paint a little Scion IQ and dont want to grossly overbuy the paint 🤣. Thank you! And thanks for the awesome videos!
@eldrickejleest
@eldrickejleest Жыл бұрын
Just in time!
@xzaviar1965
@xzaviar1965 3 ай бұрын
I'm going to be painting a vehicle about the same size as is in the video. It would have been nice if you would have stated the total volume used for paint and clear coat for this job.
@tommyho6437
@tommyho6437 7 ай бұрын
This off topic, I watched your channel all the time. I painted couple of bumpers with white color. Why do the white turn out creme white? Some angle look white
@Supanova70
@Supanova70 5 ай бұрын
In and out on the car pic above 1970 nova 1 gal at 4:1 enough? WHat about clear same? using LS ansd WS iwata`s. 1st gen solvent based.
@glockmaestro
@glockmaestro Жыл бұрын
Newbie question but does the color of the primer/sealer make any difference for paint?
@ty6896
@ty6896 Жыл бұрын
Brian, I saw one of the guys using a 3M gun. Seems like a great one gun do all gun? I know I’ve seen you using it in the past. You didn’t list it as a gun in this description though. The DV1 is out of my price range and ability. Looking for a good gun to start and grow with. Thoughts?
@eladmedina72
@eladmedina72 Жыл бұрын
Great video🔥🔥 What is the paint code that's you used?
@jonscot8393
@jonscot8393 Жыл бұрын
Would love to here the PROS and CONS of the different PPS out there
@GGYN101
@GGYN101 Жыл бұрын
What brand of sealer was used color build? PPG Axalta Thanks
@scottmote2176
@scottmote2176 Жыл бұрын
How much paint and would be needed to paint a crew cab long bed duality truck ? I have an 2005 dodge with bad clear so I want to repaint the entire truck. A local shop quoted me $8500.
@braernesto9917
@braernesto9917 Жыл бұрын
Am from Ghana master great job 👌👌
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@charliesmith9528
@charliesmith9528 11 ай бұрын
I have a 2006 cad dts that hood needs painted after car cover put stains all over it,,rest of car is fine,,car is black,,what is best/easist paint to buy online that i can repaint hood,,,i have all equip just havent painted cars in 25 years,,many new paint options out there now
@flightmedic7169
@flightmedic7169 9 ай бұрын
Does anyone know how to best match paint or where to get it ? I need paint for a 2020 Lincoln Navigator code GS ceramic pearl. This is for a repair job quarter panel, fender and both bumpers.
@waynetaylor2784
@waynetaylor2784 Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated, however can you also give us metric measurements for us non usa viewers ?
@danbecker5122
@danbecker5122 8 ай бұрын
This might sound like a stupid question but, are you quoting ounces already fully mixed with any reducers. etc? I just want to understand if you are talking about RTS or just the paint w/o reducers, etc.
@Chiriwillo566
@Chiriwillo566 7 ай бұрын
Is half a gallon paint and half reducer (1 gallon of paint) enough for a small 67 corvette convertible? Second time spraying .. boss says is enough
@joehiatt1992
@joehiatt1992 Жыл бұрын
If ur clear comes out good to you still have to cut & buff ??
@danamcintyre3565
@danamcintyre3565 Жыл бұрын
What your take on a primer that can be used as a sealer ?
@Ivan-pi6ur
@Ivan-pi6ur Жыл бұрын
Hey Brian, great video as always! I just have one question: do these measurements that you gave include the whole mix ratio, such as 7 ounces of Clear + Hardener + Reducer?
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
Mixed and reducer and hardenered yes
@WildhurstLodge
@WildhurstLodge Жыл бұрын
Will you do a video with a two tone paint job? If I lay the first color, on the cab and middle section of the truck, do I put one coat clear, then tape up for the next color? Or just paint, flash, then tape?
@JaminGalv
@JaminGalv Жыл бұрын
I think he has one on a Yukon or suburban he did not to long ago
@autofanaticcars
@autofanaticcars Жыл бұрын
what PSI were these guys shooting the clear coat at because crazy mist in the entire booth looks like they shot at a higher PSI versus the base coats. I try to shoot at a lower PSI to eliminate me from getting my full 3M mask cloudy then when I can not see it makes completing the job hard.
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
It’s not a real booth. It’s a prep deck so it can’t handle all the overspray
@ChardDavis
@ChardDavis Жыл бұрын
Great Video. One question, if you have windows removed and there is a bit of windshield urethane adhesive left (most removed with a razor), is it ok to paint over it?
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
Yes. They will cut it anyways when they do the window glue.
@andrewwhiting5526
@andrewwhiting5526 Жыл бұрын
Great video, with the Devilbiss DV1 basecoat gun which tip size would you recommend 1.2 or 1.3?
@ballsoutperformance
@ballsoutperformance Жыл бұрын
I typically use 1.3 with the b plus cap
@aramtopjian220
@aramtopjian220 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. Would you recommend using sealer before single stage paint?
@ballsoutperformance
@ballsoutperformance Жыл бұрын
Yes, sealer is good practice for single stage as well.
@lesskinner8588
@lesskinner8588 Жыл бұрын
Sealer (or what we call 'wet on wet' here) is great as you CAN just go to a 600g, rather than 800g min for basecoat. Also, wishy washy covering of sealer is much less of a problem getting coverage than over patchy primer areas. By the way, love the double booth, how much easier is it to paint a car and whole lot of panels / bars in that ? 👍
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
Much easier but it’s only a prep deck and doesn’t handle overspray well
@lesskinner8588
@lesskinner8588 Жыл бұрын
@@PaintSociety ahh, wondered about the side draft type booth, rather than downdraft. Haven't seen side draft booths for a lot of years here, but see them in US videos fairly often.
@chrisdisz2132
@chrisdisz2132 8 ай бұрын
I have a 2005 Honda civic how many cans should I buy ?
@chuco9113
@chuco9113 Жыл бұрын
What do you think about using elastificator additive when painting plastic bumpers to make the paint more flexible? Do you use it, or ever did?
@brianhart5612
@brianhart5612 Жыл бұрын
Flex additives generally only last long enough to reassemble the car. Paint will only be as flexible as what it’s painted over.
@David-yo8qs
@David-yo8qs 5 ай бұрын
Maybe i missed this but are you spraying 1k or 2k sealer?
@ernestjohn8303
@ernestjohn8303 Жыл бұрын
Can any color sealer work for any color
@jjjustin17favs
@jjjustin17favs Жыл бұрын
Was it just sealer over the e coat in the video
@KINGRG1
@KINGRG1 Жыл бұрын
Would you mind posting a short video about how much reducer to use when thinning paint? A lot of us amateur backyard Painter’s struggle with this
@jamessakimae9655
@jamessakimae9655 Жыл бұрын
To my knowledge base coats are a 1:1 ratio some of the higher end stuff can be 2:1
@ballsoutperformance
@ballsoutperformance Жыл бұрын
Yea it varies. Most are 1:1 or 2:1. Make sure to check the TDS (technical data sheet) on all products you use
@the_wolf2366
@the_wolf2366 Жыл бұрын
Yes man I’m struggling me to about that it’s mix ratio 1:1 paint and thinner?
@ysitrim88
@ysitrim88 Жыл бұрын
@thewolf4120 Whatever the paint calls for the paint I use calls for a 1:1 mix ratio basically a 50/50 mixture. Say I want to mix 12 0z of sprayable material I would use 6 0z of reducer and 6 0z of paint it's that simple. Hope this helps you and try not to over think the mixing ratio.
@michaelbarber6211
@michaelbarber6211 Жыл бұрын
Hello paint society I ran into a problem with gold metallic paint a bug landed and I didn’t help none trying to pick it out caused a bare spot to white background. Do I tape area and sand to white then mask vehicle and just fan some layers until I get the right shade or ? It’s a 2 tone white gold 99 Silverado. Thanks
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
Sand it with 800 smooth and repaint the whole area
@torowazup1
@torowazup1 Жыл бұрын
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@gabrielcortez3053
@gabrielcortez3053 4 күн бұрын
So just need one coat of sealer for a front bumper cover ?
@danamcintyre3565
@danamcintyre3565 Жыл бұрын
Does all paint stores carry tintable primers
@biggteez12
@biggteez12 Жыл бұрын
Is a gallon good enough for a whole car?
@marycochran-kh2of
@marycochran-kh2of 6 ай бұрын
How much paint i need to paint a 97 f body convertible...im ordering from "the coating store"...they have kits and i dont know how much i need
@skoddskar3D
@skoddskar3D Жыл бұрын
How many oz of primer would you estimate per panel? I want to do a full paint job including door jams on my 97 4runner. It's currently silver and I want to change it to the autumn green (color code TAP) that the newer subaru outbacks have. I assumed that I would need to sand down each panel and give it primer, color, and clear. Is that the best approach? And how for should I sand the panels down, do I want to get to bare metal or just cut through the existing clear? Thank you in advance if you take the time to reply.
@ImperiumRacing
@ImperiumRacing Жыл бұрын
Nice!!! I'm doing research to paint my 99 4runner!!! hahah good luck man! I was watching this video to try and determine how much paint I'm going to need to buy...$$$ Also still not sure if I want to do door jams yet...
@unclesamautos
@unclesamautos Жыл бұрын
I'm in a garage and been sanding dupli color primer sealer with P600 before base. Should I stop doing that?
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
400 then 600
@BranddyV20
@BranddyV20 Жыл бұрын
Hey Brian, when you say 5-6 ounces per panel, do you mean non reduced base coat or 5-6 ounces plus reducer? Thank you!
@ray6808
@ray6808 9 ай бұрын
Plus reducer
@ronbelldvm
@ronbelldvm Жыл бұрын
Great info, Brian. Was the 5-6 oz of base per panel for each coat, or would that amount do the 2 -1/2 coats you mentioned? Thanks for all you do.
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
5-6 ounces will get you 2 coats
@ntonytay
@ntonytay Жыл бұрын
​@@PaintSociety bit confused about that. 6 ounce including reducers already? If its a 1:1 mixing, so thats mean its only 3ounce of pure paint + 3 ounce of reduces?
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
@@ntonytay yes ready to spray. You’ll have to do the math for your paint since all paint mixes differently.
@ntonytay
@ntonytay Жыл бұрын
@@PaintSociety all rights thanks Brian 👍
@silverwingshg
@silverwingshg Жыл бұрын
In determining the quantity of paint needed and you said 5-6 oz per panel for 2-3 coats. Are the oz including thinner/reducer???
@bosshawg7427
@bosshawg7427 Жыл бұрын
Yes... but check the ratio required for the base you're using. Could be 1:1 or 2:1. 3 quarts of unreduced should be plenty for a large car with a little bit extra depending on how good it covers. 2-2.5 unreduced quarts for paint that covers well
@freddiebreine
@freddiebreine Жыл бұрын
Great job. Question: On a job that large, why don't spray the roof as well?
@PaintSociety
@PaintSociety Жыл бұрын
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@freddiebreine
@freddiebreine Жыл бұрын
@@PaintSociety sorry, commented before I noticed the fenders were actually sprayed
@rickcrawford2137
@rickcrawford2137 3 ай бұрын
If I were using rattle cans to paint a hood and roof on a Tacoma, how many cans of base and clear would I need, talking about 12oz cans?
@mikep509
@mikep509 2 ай бұрын
Many, but the cost will be astronimical compared to a sprayer...also a roof with rattle cans is difficult, you need to work in sections... best bet is get a sprayer with a good compressor...
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