How Much POWER Did Goku GAIN Between The Cell Saga and Buu Saga?

[@diremiralis6799]

Out of context: Gohans Latino voice actor passed away yesterday just want to tell you guys life can end just like that so enjoy every minute and every second we live.

[@greenphonix9326]

He was killed I think

[@diremiralis6799]

Yea I know I just didn't want to say it in such a bad way.

[@supremekaizamasu5889]

R.I.P.

[@chanceneck8072]

My condolences. I know, voice actors can be treasures. At least in certain countries, many people still seem to have no idea about that. And how great and important some voice performances can be for the media of art. And I know all about how life can just end like that, because my mom...... Lets all just pray and send out our thoughts to the English guy who spoke for Frieza. What was his name again, Chis Ayres? I seriously just say stuff from memory here now, but I´ve heard he´s very ill and actually a very close friend to Geekdom101. He could probably tell you a lot more about that than I can.......

[@chanceneck8072]

I just thought about, you said GOHAN´S voice actor, I´m sure you meant adult Gohan, right? Because German kid Gohan was actually also dubbed by a pretty awesome and talented young boy at the time and it would be even more brutal to hear that that voice actor was actually also still relatively young when he died.....

[@RobertLoyale]

Wait a min. Goku at SSJ3 during Kid Buu wasn’t able to go all out. He was trying to get max power but he literally lost his energy trying to hold the form. When he was dead, it was easier to hold. So when Goku said he could’ve defeated Fat Buu but struggled with Kid Buu...it makes sense.

[@donathan2933]

Robert Loyale plus in his pure form Buu has basically unlimited stamina

[@Chronoic]

@@donathan2933 And Kid Buu seems to mess around more than Super Buu or even Fat Buu.

[@SycosenMerihem]

Goku relying on SSJ3 in the first place doesn't make much sense. But he had to.

[@SycosenMerihem]

@Martin Ramirez No.

[@callous2k486]

@Martin Ramirez lol hell no. It took Vegito to deal with Buuhan. Not to mention he's literally made up of Ultimate Gohan and many other warriors. Ultimate Gohan alone was stronger than Goku and Vegeta

[@awesomereviews1561]

Biggest cop out in Anime history: Gohan’s hidden potential. No matter how many times he unlocks it, the hidden potential keeps respawing to be unlocked once more.

[@royjones0824]

Awesome Reviews lol how much potential full power potential can be unlocked

[@mastertucker]

First things first, potential grows with you. No matter how much a kid trains they wont have as big a muscles as the same kid older. Guru unlocked Kid Gohan's potential at the time, years later he's obviously going to have an older and more able body with which to get stronger, ergo more potential - being how he reached his limit in Cell Saga. Elder Kai didn't even unlock his potential at the time he did his whole 'beyond your limits' deal, he unlocked the limits of the potential and his SSJ forms and beyond his limit. It's not just 'oh he has potential unlocked, ope missed some'. It would't make any sense if a 5 year old had his potential unlocked and then didn't have more when his physical body actually grows.

[@ZAH33D]

@@mastertucker I respect you,sir.

[@randalthor2859]

@@mastertucker I'm glad someone else understands this concept. I've had to explain it so many times before xD Thanks mate 💪

[@SageofSorrow]

mastertucker check....and mate👏🏿

[@Chrisfragger1]

Vegeta probably on some level, resents Gohan for throwing his potential away.

[@OckdaGod1]

I like how you keep these timeless DBZ topics coming along. You keep having new ideas going in 2020 idk how but great job.

[@Menace_1129]

I say he went from peak human level to wall level

[@AndrewAce.]

He's *at least* city bus level

[@RidKain]

He's at least bathroom level

[@thehomiedan6378]

At least chair level

[@moha94vss38]

You guys so kind he at least ant level

[@josiahm.8711]

Like at least tile level

[@cfltournaments8406]

Great video. Heads up, just found out that the Latin American Gohan voice actor was killed today. 😥😥😥

[@LSMMIKE]

What a tragedy. Rest in peace.

[@theaustralian1970]

CFL Tournaments not only that , his wife was also murdered by the bastard

[@leviosdraekion6993]

RIP.

[@AndrewAce.]

@@theaustralian1970 WAT!?

[@brendonkingdavis5945]

Damn that’s messed up

[@imjustadog1897]

Goku had the best gains in the Buu arc. He learned so much and gained two forms in seven years. If Super Saiyan 3 wasn't enough, Goku was dying to become Gogeta if Vegeta just played things smart.

[@MsMRkv]

The buu saga saw the least amount of power increase compared to the frieza and cell arcs. I mean ssj3 goku was barely a bit over 4 times more powerful than ssj2 gohan, and he couldn't even keep that transformation for too long.

[@imjustadog1897]

@@MsMRkv Goku's ss2 form surpassed Gohan's and he had ss3 at his disposal. Gohan was only able to close the gap by getting his potential awakened.

[@prue5588]

@Martin Ramirez No, it wasn't until his fight with Vegeta that he surpasses him

[@4EvurPosters]

I'm just a Dog a lie. Ss2 gohan was stronger than ss3 goku, so it’s obviously stronger than ss2

[@imjustadog1897]

@@4EvurPosters At what point was Gohan's ss2 form stronger than Goku's ss3 form?

[@duberdurm]

I wish SSJ3 had been the final transformation, at least until the fight with Jiren. It just seems like such an underused form, and the ones after that just feel like SSJ1 with different hair colors. Ultra Instinct would have been much more meaningful as a long gray hair upgraded version of SSJ3.

[@prue5588]

I mean, Goku and Vegeta tipped the whole power level of the other characters by becoming Gods SSj3 pretty useless of how much power it uses

[@facepalmdeath3785]

I believe Vegeta was really disappointed at Gohan at the beginning of the Buu saga for waisting his potential the way he did. I'm not saying Gohan wasted it he just went another way with it which is intelligence, but to a full blooded Saiyan like Vegeta he took it personally. It also shows that Vegeta actually does care about even Goku's kids.

[@cjkalandek996]

Well, Vegeta attacking Cell after Trunks getting killed by that Death Beam was the first real indication that he actually does care about people, which is the truth in contrast to the lie he believed, that there's nothing more important to him than the pursuit of power. But, of course, Vegeta was still stuck in his masculine and prideful ideals to fully admit it. And I guess after Vegeta was saved by Gohan when Cell tried to kill him, maybe he felt some form of gratitude towards Gohan and Vegeta probably feels disgusted that he let all that power go to waste.

[@facepalmdeath3785]

@@cjkalandek996 spot on dude, I got a soft spot for Vegeta.

[@michaelscofield9247]

We already know that for décades! your commentary is useless!

[@patricklittle8281]

Zenkai boosts are always a thing, I don't remember Saiyans genetic code changing

[@randalthor2859]

Still a thing? Yes. Still a meaningful thing? Doesn't seem to be anymore.

[@dekuavatar8777]

Lets just say he made cell look like yamcha

[@imjustadog1897]

Cell would have been a decent warm up for Buu saga Goku.

[@jamainegardner4193]

@@imjustadog1897 I wouldn't say that. SPC and SSJ2 CG Gohan were only surpassed by Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku and nothing indicates they were THAT much stronger than them. SPC should still be a hard fight for SSJ2 Buu saga Goku.

[@RGA301092]

I mean, SS2 teen Gohan already made Cell look like Yamcha.

[@imjustadog1897]

@@jamainegardner4193 If Goku and Vegeta claim that they're stronger than Cell arc Gohan, that would mean that their Super Saiyan 2 forms are stronger than Gohan's when he defeated Cell. It wouldn't be an easy fight, but warming up at ss2, then finishing Cell at ss3 wouldn't take as long as it took Gohan to finish Cell.

[@717jeezy]

That's a fukn strong ass Yamaha 😂😂

[@josephivan9354]

yall are forgetting how Cell has Saiyan dna and after the senzu bean he not only regains full health he also becomes stronger all around

[@anthonygonzalez2897]

They mention cell gets a zenkai in the video. He wouldn't get a zenkai after the Senzu tho because he was not near death. Saiyans or those with Saiyan DNA don't get a zenkai every time they are rejuvenated, they have to have been close to death then rejuvenated

[@catbuikhang6482]

@@anthonygonzalez2897 After the Instant Transmission Kamehameha that Goku blasted him with, he grew back and I believe that was the boost not the Senzu

[@The_One_In_Black]

I thought this was a follow-up to your video with Geekdom... definitely thought you were in the process of introducing him there.

[@darthconquest1046]

Power levels might have been a bit of a handicap for Dragonball, but I see it as a boon for the show overall. Power levels have allowed the show to be constantly talked about in the years between DBGT and the Tarble movie ("Yo! Son Goku and his friends", right?) Power levels also allowed channels like this to exist where we can all come together and discuss who is stronger in later sagas based on a concept that was abandoned in the middle of the series.

[@GoldenScouter]

Great video. I couldn't contact you on Twitter, but I released my HxH 1999 v 2011 several days ago, and am at work making my Chimera Ant review to release within 1-2 months.

[@LSMMIKE]

I deleted my Twitter. But that's cool, I'll check it out.

[@berzerkbankie1342]

Probably like 3x stronger, then unlocks SSJ3 so a potential 12x stronger? Is that how the math would work?

[@Iyoh101]

Korin: "I'm afraid Cell is a bit stronger." Cell was 2x as Strong as Goku. How?

[@SploogeCannon]

Cell was heavily suppressed before doing any fighting. Just like gohan and goku

[@DSan-kl2yc]

Yeah I don't buy that..ssj2 is a 2 times multiplier itself. It makes more sense to think of it as Cell was a step above Goku. So like 25%. I just mean like a form above like 2nd grade. Or freeza vs ssj Goku. It s massive but not 2 times more powerful massive. Plus both cell and Gohan do get boosts afterwards. Ssj2 Gohan is definitely more than twice as strong. And still managed to kill cell after the boost. There's no exact numbers but I'm looking at what are similar scenarios. And freeza vs Goku is probably the closest one. Followed by like grade 2 to grade 3 or 4. Yeah they're massive but they weren't 2 times an ssj.

[@Acularis]

@@DSan-kl2yc I honestly agree with you. I always thought that cell was using somewhere of 70-80% of his full power when fighting against Goku

[@cjkalandek996]

Well, remember, in the that scene, Goku said the amount of energy he channeled for Korin to see was about half of his power.

[@thekingofsas9407]

"Fuck. I'm still not as powerful as this guy when he goes super saiyan 2." -Vegeta

[@tobygarton2574]

Ive been dieing for this video thanks Mike.

[@saulviz3640]

This seems more like a gohan power scale video

[@LSMMIKE]

Scaling in Dragon Ball is largely comparative. You need to establish the strength of other characters in order to say who is stronger or weaker.

[@eggheadusa]

2:59 that’s the kinda stuff I miss, dbz feels toned down

[@callous2k486]

Don't you mean DBS? If so then yeah it is

[@ismailkeskinklc5300]

Dbs Manga is guite brutal

[@gerardorodriguez7500]

I wish Shallot Giblet Zahha Android 21 and Bonyu become canon in Dragon Ball Super Anime

[@pvtricky07]

Great video, always enjoy MJ being on there

[@rileymcgill9893]

I always thought goku was more like 70 % of cells power level. 30 % is alot. I'm mean alot. If you are 30 % stronger than someone you should straight beat the fuck out of them

[@sixpathssakura547]

Not strong enough to challenge me.

[@AndrewAce.]

Kyuubi Chakra mode 15 Ino stomps...

[@moha94vss38]

@@godsfist6169 wut

[@justsomeguywithamustache3188]

Saying that gohan ssj was weaker than cell is just wrong. Gohan spent half of the fight trying to stop cell to force him to have to kill him (cell).

[@PokemonProfessorNebula]

Just think, Goku straight up told Vegeta "He was saving SSJ3 for when he really needed it"

[@enriqueruiz5492]

And Freeza went up in power incredibly fast

[@bigrob8517]

Guys, I don't see how you could come to the conclusion that vegeta was above kid ssj2 gohan before the majin boost? Both him and goku never say that they are above that version of gohan, they just complain about the current gohan who hasnt trained for 7 years, has no rage boost and has generally gone soft during the peaceful time. Majin vegeta however is clearly confirmed to have surpassed ssj2 kid gohan. Vegeta even speculates that if the current out of shape gohan got angry he could probably take him. There's a reason toriyama is telling us this, it's to tell the audience that an angry version of adult gohan is still very relevant, just like when majin vegeta announces that goku is atleast stronger then gohan now is a direct confirmation from toriyama that this level of fighters are now above the ones we saw 7 years ago. Vegeta literally gets the majin boost to try and reach that level, I don't get how people wash over this. Plus as you stated gohan didn't even try against cell, we have no idea how far he could have taken it if he wanted to.

[@DOLLAMAC190]

Their SS2 forms were only stronger than injured SS2 Kid Gohan. MAYBE they were in the realm of uninjured SS2 Kid Gohan, but their assessments were based on what they saw and felt, at that time. We don't know how much power, he was holding back, before his left arm, was damaged. He was literally toying with bug man.Let's be honest Gohan was a str8 up menace as a kid.

[@dusk6159]

True Gohan still had his power cut in a sizeable way by the arm injury

[@Shadowkiller-dq2ju]

Just a little bit I mean he unlocked SS2 and 3

[@vividlantern8854]

According to El Manga Legendario, Shin is equal to Super Saiyan Cell Games Goku. “Se puede deducir que tiene la misma fuerza que Goku durante el Cell Game.” Yet Shin is shitting himself when Babidi’s minions show up. Vegeta in base stomped Pui-Pui, and Goku is of course stronger than Vegeta. Yet Shin was shocked at Vegeta’s base power. Dabura stated that Yakon is strong enough to kill everyone there, despite knowing Shin’s power, so Goku got AT LEAST 50x stronger in the seven years.

[@travelreview5962]

Am I the only one that would not have been bothered if power levels stuck around?

[@mrJalisco70]

If Toriyama implies that peace can lead to stronger Saiyans (Universe 6 Saiyans) then why is Gohan weaker overall?

[@VictorSolomon7]

Isn't the idea that in U7 saiyans never made use of their zenkais properly because their soldiers were treated like cannon fodder for the frieza force and even before then, plus they abused the Ape form to conquer. But in U6 they lack tails, so never could abuse said form, and are more compassionate so they save injured saiyans allowing zenkais to take effect. I can imagine over millennia that it adds up, with each generation being stronger than the last.

[@mrJalisco70]

Aaron Warburton Ah i see. Sorry for growing up thinking "saiyans get stronger after EVERY fight". All this retconning and changing makes me wish we had good writers.

[@VictorSolomon7]

@@mrJalisco70 Can't argue with that. Better explanations and storytelling would really enhance Super. It's not fun having to 'figure stuff out' because the writer didn't explain it.

[@futuregohan4837]

@@VictorSolomon7 Imagine If Goku Had Kept His Tail And Learned How To Control His Great Ape Form

[@VictorSolomon7]

@@futuregohan4837 It wouldn't have changed anything unless SSJ4 is canon, then that's a possibility post-namek.

[@LilRello607]

I think potential unleashed is a 500x if ss3 is 400x

[@moha94vss38]

No its not a multiplier.

[@Fresh-Spence]

Has anyone ever questioned how time moved the same in other world as it did on Earth?

[@supersaiyangodvegtio9590]

Fresh Spence no

[@SycosenMerihem]

The Fourth Dimension is Time and Space, time transcends Space.

[@kungfuhusler]

It doesn't, Goku didn't age while he was dead.

[@matthewowens687]

I mean it was a good conversation but it was so very anti-climactic lol

[@cavellfortman6964]

Love your videos bro

[@tyrannotherium7873]

Buu saga was a pain in the ass

[@tyrannotherium7873]

Because of the power scaling

[@TheCharlemagne1978]

Cell is part saiyan remember? He basically died and regenerated zenkai boost he did that twice

[@zygoteguns9821]

Cell got a zenkai boost from the senzu bean as well

[@anthonygonzalez2897]

I don't think so. Why would he? He wasn't pushed to his limit at all prior to taking it. They don't get zenkais just from being rejuvenated they have to have been pushed to their limit or near death prior to bouncing back in order to get a zenkai.

[@thatgamerguy9680]

Hey Laughing Stock, I noticed an issue with a statement you said. Vegeta in base was actually stronger than Goku and Gohan in the Cell Saga from the first time in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Goku spent half of his time training Gohan and the other to find Full Power Super Saiyan(or Mastered Super Saiyan). Vegeta and Trunks trained the entire time and Vegeta went in the second time. Meaning Goku Grew even stronger then you guys are giving him credit for.

[@LSMMIKE]

Goku and Gohan were far stronger in base than Vegeta was. Unlike Grade 2/3, Full Power Super Saiyan isn't a different multiplier from Grade 1. It allows for greater suppression and minimal energy drain. It also removed the rage filled mental state, which is why Goku and Gohan were so calm when exiting the chamber.

[@dbzgokussj3280]

Great video bro

[@jasonenglish3713]

Could do a video,What if Vegeta train Gohan when Goku dies?

[@jobsidian4219]

15:32 geekdom wants your location

[@seefore5409]

Why are Videl and 18 mean mugging each other at 19:26?

[@DigitalWraith]

The funny thing is, the multiplier boosts Gohan got from rage and SSJ2 isn't even close to the rage boost he got when he overpowered Freeza on Namek. If Gohan got a 2x rage boost and a 2x boost from SSJ2 in the Cell saga, think about the multiplier boost he got when he was some where in the 10s of thousands while fighting 2nd form Freeza who was stated to be over 1 million. Gohan overpowered a guy thousands of times stronger than him twice; once in Freeza's 2nd form, and again in Freeza's 3rd form.

[@lobopumpchainsavage]

Easy answer a exponential amount!!!🐐🗿🐉

[@ChronoXShadow]

12:00-13:20 In that sense, is it possible Goku saw a glimpse of Ultra Instinct in Gohan during their very brief exchange? Or, at least in the anime version, as I don't think they had that exchange in the manga version.

[@TheCanineContrarian]

"Talk about immasculation." "He sells his soul then Goku still gets multiple times stronger" "Yeah and he holds back during their fight just to make him think he stands a chance" Guys come on...you realize these statements in reality make Goku look that much more inferior against Vegeta because in reality, like how the fight went, if Goku and Vegeta are on the same level *Vegeta wins* . Had Vegeta died and had the same *insane bonus of training in death with essentially limitless energy for 7 years* the same as Goku did and they fought then, I think the battle would still be the same as SSJ2 Vegeta vs. SSJ2 Goku.

[@jobdylan5782]

Cope

[@icantbelieveyoudonethis4059]

JustinWolf93 wait how does Vegeta win when they’re on the same level?

[@TheCanineContrarian]

@@icantbelieveyoudonethis4059 Because he defeated Goku (lol). His cunning and way of fighting is what won him the battle.

[@icantbelieveyoudonethis4059]

JustinWolf93 yeah because Goku trying to call a truce and Vegeta capitalising on that clearly means he’s the better fighter. He never won the fight and openly admitted he needed the majin amp to equal Goku’s SS2. We’ve even seen them fight on equal power levels and they’re just that equal.

[@evantoner5560]

Vegeta Stan’s are so weird man

[@Tenshiyo]

I could be wrong about this, but I don't think I am so I'mma say it. Feel free to leave your thoughts, just don't act foolish about it. Contrary to what you guys said Gohan's transformation wasn't originally intended as SS2, it WAS just his full power unlocking. Akira Toriyama didn't intend for the series to continue past the Cell Saga, and as such he didn't write this as "then he transforms into Super Saiyan 2" but rather "then his full power was finally unleashed". He just later dubbed it SS2 so that he could give it to Goku and Vegeta in the Buu Saga. This makes sense especially if you consider how in an interview he later stated he "thought the one with the long hair was 2". You could chalk this up to him forgetting things as he tends to do, but I think it is a helpful point of reference. Gohan's big potential unlock moment actually makes more sense this way too, as most people look at the Buu Saga and scratch their heads wondering why Gohan's transformation went from "his true potential" to just another Super Saiyan form. Because it was a retcon.

[@717jeezy]

It would be cool if they made a wish with the super dragonballs with the wish being that as long as anyone is in the hyperbolic time chamber , they would NOT AGE nor suffer from any physical health disorders from anything and have no limits to how long anyone could stay in there. So anyone that enters the chamber , they become immune from aging and suffering any from any sickness or diseases and stay in there as long as they want . Could you imagine how strong goku and vegeta could become with the ability to train for practically an infinite amount of time ??? Just wow !!!

[@MajinErick]

There was a little detail left out...Krillin and Yamcha mentioned that they had a significant power boost on the Great Kai Planet. Even when they fought the Ginyu Force on King Kai's planet, they had a significant power boost. Goku even mentions that "In the Other World, SSJ3 was easy." When he used it on Supreme Kai's planet, he was extremely drained and exhausted. Nobody talked about the laws of physics in DBZ. I guess certain heavenly worlds will give them either a power up or crushing gravity.

[@exequielbreton4393]

Their fight with the Ginyu force in King Kai's planet was FILLER. And it wasn't easy beacause of King Kai's planet. It was easy for Goku to transform and stay in SSJ3 beacause he was DEAD (He can draw the energy he needs to transform way faster. And he didn't feeled the giant strain that SSJ3 puts on his body, beacause he has unlimited energy and/or stamina while being dead). In fact, every fighter gets unlimited stamina/energy when they are dead in the otherworld in Dragon Ball (Vegeta could also train non stop in King Kai's planet while being dead and achive SSJ3, just like Goku)

[@MartellThaCool]

Well, Goku been dead for 7 years and has a durable body and unlimited endurance

[@kennyjones8743]

Goku didn't want to beat cell he want gohan to . All goku want to was go back to training because now he knows that sayain can go beyond there power. He was ready to go back to king ky to train

[@arronjerden915]

Also Cell would have gotten a Zenki after Goku hit him with the kamehameha.

[@ryuhayabu1]

at 17:00 you guys said "It is not like goku had a time limit anymore like he had when he was dead, or he was trying to avoid hurting vegeta's pride." In chapter 477 goku specifically stated "Super Saiyan 3 is a technique that can only be used in the otherworld, where the concept of time doesn't exist. In our living world here it uses up an extremely amount of energy, and all your energy is exhausted immediately." Also, in chapter 478 piccolo stated: "does SSJ3 really use up that much energy in our living realm?" When being in the living realm, it doesn't matter whether you're dead or alive, SSJ3 uses up simply way too much energy to be used properly. For gotenks it's the same, his fusion of 30 minutes is reduced to barely 5 minutes if he goes SSJ3. That's why goku was confident in taking on kid boo on kaioshinkai, which is located in the otherworld. He could finally properly use SSJ3 (his living body was a secondary, much smaller restriction though).

[@Marcus_shawn]

The fact kakarot didn't even consider fighting super Buu at ssj 3 says alot...super Buu was the strongest Buu...but power wise for kakarot training 7 years plus fighting pikkon gave him 2 forms..he mastered 2 but was still adjusting to 3

[@joshualowe959]

He ascended to Super Saiyan 2 & Super Saiyan 3 RIGHT AFTER his fight with Pikkon at the Other World Tournament

[@kirigirimaii18]

filler

[@izuokoko1896]

Goku wasn’t 100 percent when he fought kid buu since he was already tired from fighting him before he went super sayin 3

[@tim6454]

I don't think cell was multiple times stronger than goku but more like 1.5 times stronger. You can't discount cells regeneration. When goku blew the top of cell away he put everything into that attack and it would have won the fight if cell didn't regenerate. And ssj2 being a 2x boost that'd put Gohan ahead of cell about the amount he was over goku

[@StrawhatDawn]

Characters always get a zenkai boost. You can confirm this with gotenks because he did fight majin boo (fat) lost and he obviously had gotten stronger afterwards when he fought super buu

[@bballgod237]

I have always had Goku and Vegeta in the Buu arc around 25% stronger than SSJ2 Gohan in the Cell Games. That allows the statements made by Vegeta to be true but also doesn't make them absurdly up there in power compared to everyone else. With statements made in DB Super and BoG years later this kind of confirms that even in their base forms they weren't astronomically more powerful even by the time Beerus came around.

[@Grimerpr2016]

20 percent increase on top of his base, his ssj1 full power was 2.5 billion, since ssj1 multiplier is 50, 2.5 billion divided by 50 50 million, ssj3 goku's power level maxed out is 24 billion according to most scales, ssj3 multiplier is 400 times that of base form, so 24 billion divided by 400, equals to 60 million

[@robymessina1998]

Funny, this is similiar to my power level list.

[@Amereedom]

Korrin said Cell is a bit stronger. When they first fought, Cell was a good enough amount in power, but the difference only became clear after Goku used his IT Kamehameha on Cell causing his stamina to drop both significantly and rapidly. Now it was stated that Cell's power had been severely cut as well and it was dropping too, but not as fast as Goku's. This difference in power starts there in stamina upkeep. Power and strength play into that. However, where Cell's power dramatically takes flight is after he took the Senzu. Now you gotta remember that what Cell is, is not only an biological android with incredible power on his own, but that genetics is infused with Saiyan genetics on top of Frieza beastly power growth potential. And seeing Frieza now as Golden Frieza and Goku and the other Saiyans now in god power, its a very clear indication that the increases in power Cell shows us that Cell gains zenkai boosts by a factor maybe 3 to 5 X greater than what the Saiyans gain. Here is something else. Cell did not have Trunks and Gohan's cells. Had he did, I can't see how anyone could have beat him.

[@antoniobrooks474]

The Buu Saga ruined scaling because of the fusions, Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Goku. In terms of actual power, BuuHan is clearly the most powerful Buu followed by Buutenks, Super Buu, Fat Buu and then Kid Buu. There’s no way Kid Buu would be stronger than Fat Buu who absorbed Kais unless their pure natures weakened him after absorption, but even then SSJ3 Goku was only stronger than Kid Buu and Fat Buu. Gotenks was never given a proper power scale and even Piccolo was iffy. Remember after Buu absorbs someone, he takes the form of who’s the stronger and he took Piccolo’s form after also absorbing Gotenks (tho the fusion was worn off so it was just Trunks and Goten but even then, that’d mean Piccolo was at least SSJ level and ppl swear he’s weak)

[@Mohamed.Ali.Alkadry]

You gotta make a video on whos stronger Pikkon or Cell Games Gohan

[@tk7806]

I think goku should have been significantly more stronger during the 7 years, technically in the other world he doesn't need sleep so he can train as long as he wanted, he has better training conditions, more and better way to train (increase of gravity, king kai adding weight to goku), he has more suited sparring partners like palkuhan who at least stronger than cell, he technically should have more masters that can advise him or unlock his hidden potential, he shoulded try to master his super saiyan 2 like his super saiyan 1 knowing all the downside of the super saiyan 3, learn new techniques and tactics, and he shoulded to experiment further his super saiyan 3 knowing he's at the right place

[@robymessina1998]

I think he may have become 30 to 40% stronger than he was in Cell Saga considering that In Buu Saga, Goku needed Ssj2 to be stronger than Ssj2 Gohan from Cell Saga). And at the time, Ssj Gohan(Cell Saga), wasn't that much stronger than Ssj Goku(Cell Saga).

[@dreamcore7]

30-40% is too low. 4-5 times would be more realistic.

[@robymessina1998]

@@dreamcore7 I respect your opinion, but I don't agree man. Goku needed Ssj2 to be stronger than the Ssj2 Gohan from Cell Saga. Back in Cell Saga, Ssj Gohan wasn't that much stronger than Ssj Goku, and considering that the Ssj2 is only two times stronger than Ssj, going by logic, Goku in Buu Saga, could not even have been two times as strong as he was in Cell Saga. That's why I think he got 30/40% stronger in Buu Saga in comparasion to Cell Saga.

[@StarintheBox]

Only 30-40% stronger with 7 years of training?? Firstly, after Perfect Cell gets a zenkai boost and unlocks SSJ2, Super Perfect Cell is still only equal if not a little less than as powerful as SSJ2 Gohan, which would mean SSJ Gohan would be stronger than Perfect Cell, and Perfect Cell was stronger than Goku. Gohan > Super Perfect Cell > Perfect Cell > Goku. So Gohan was more than just a little bit stronger than Goku, the difference was pretty significant. You're ignoring that Gohan would have gotten an immense power boost when he became enraged and finally fully let go completely independant of the additional SSJ2 multipler. Gohan's normal base power wasn't that much stronger than Goku during Cell Tournament (although even then it was still at least a little bit greater than Goku's), but his true power was immensely higher than Goku. This is pointed out in like the first 5 minutes of this very video..

[@robymessina1998]

@@StarintheBox Going by my scaling, Ssj Goku from Cell Saga, is not that much weaker than Ssj Gohan(Cell Saga). While Perfect Cell would be around 35/40% stronger than Ssj Goku (Cell Saga). As for Gohan, I do not count the rage boost considering that rage boosts are not permanent, and that Gohan fought Cell for a while. I just think that rage, was the key for Gohan to achieve Ssj2. As for Cell's Zenkai, I don't think he became two times as strong as he was before considering that Zenkai boost not always are big power ups. In fact, Cell was allready strong on his own in his Perfect Form, and that Zenkai was enough for him to Rival a fully powered Ssj2 Gohan(Cell Saga). Going by some statements, and feats, I do indeed think that Super Perfect Cell is as strong as, if not a bit stronger than a Full Power Ssj2 Gohan(Cell Saga). Also, as I allready said in my first comment, in Buu Saga, Goku needed Ssj2 in order to surpass Ssj2 Gohan from the Cell Saga, and going by the scale I made in this comment, a 30/40% boost in power for Goku from Cell Saga, to Buu Saga, would pretty much fit with the calculations. I'll write here hypotetical numbers to scale them, and some other characters to compare them: Assj Vegeta (Cell Saga): 3 Ssj Goku(Cell Saga): 6.5. Ssj Gohan(Cell Saga): 7. Ssj2 Gohan(Cell Saga): 14. Perfect Cell: 10. Super Perfect Cell: 14. Ssj Goku (Buu Saga): 9. Ssj2 Goku(Buu Saga): 18. Ssj3 Goku(Buu Saga): 72. Ssj Gohan(Buu Saga): 6. Ssj2 Gohan(Cell Saga): 12. Dabura: 10. Ssj Vegeta (Buu Saga): 8. Ssj2 Vegeta(Buu Saga): 16. Ssj Majin Vegeta: 9. Ssj2 Majin Vegeta: 18.

[@StarintheBox]

@@robymessina1998 the previous time Goku trained in other world he became 20x stronger in a few months. I'm not saying he'd be able to consistently keep up with improving at that rate but I don't see how it's even fathomable that a power increase as small as 40% could happen in 7 years. Even human characters who have consistently had a smaller rate of growth and only become more and more dis proportionally weaker than Goku throughout the series have improved at astronomically faster rates than that, hell ordinary human beings in *real life* can become over 40% stronger with 7 years of training. There's also the fact that in absolutely no other point in the entire series either before or after the Buu arc are the main characters or the new main villain that small of a degree stronger than the previous arc, and the Buu arc has nearly the biggest canon time gap in the series.

[@1tonydaking]

I truly feel like Gohans ultimate state will be able to Rival the Gods of the verse...if wrote correctly and he’s actually powerful in the manga rn

[@jasondyess5762]

I think vegeta would of commited suicide if goku used his ss3 in there fight because his pride was already on the breaking point lol

[@jamainegardner4193]

Okay so imma do the maths based on this video MSSJ SSJ Goku = 1 MSSJ Gohan = 1.5 Perfect Cell = 2 (or at least this is where LSM and MJ put it. I'd say 3-3.5 myself) SSJ2 CG Gohan = 6 (4x MSSJ Gohan) SSJ2 Goku / Majin Vegeta = 6.5 SSJ Buu saga Goku = 3.25 (he'd HAVE to be to make up for the vast power difference between him and MSSJ Gohan, then the rage boost Gohan got) SSJ3 Goku = 13 Overall Goku in SSJ3 would be 13x stronger than MSSJ Goku in the Cell Games.

[@jamainegardner4193]

@Martin Ramirez how. There's literally no proof of that. Goku and Majin Vegeta ONLY state they're above SSJ2 Cell games Gohan when in their own SSJ2 states. Anything below SSJ2 still isn't surpassing Gohan and Cell, not until the SSJG Ritual for Goku do we see a Base Saiyan surpass them.

[@stormrhode2330]

In my opinion the two elements that were the most crippling to the story were the implementation of power levels and zenkai boosts. They COULD have been done well, but I don't think they were. Same with the Super Saiyan transformation. I still love the show! Though I haven't watched Super yet.

[@darksith7282]

Didnt the zenkais stop after freeza saga.

[@stormrhode2330]

@@darksith7282 I think for the most part, with the possible exception of Cell after he exploded. And I haven't seen Super yet, so I'm not sure if it's used there. But it was such an abused springboard. Bringing Goku from a power level of 90,000 to 3,000,000 after the fight with Ginyu. And similar with Vegeta after being blasted by Krillin on Namek.

[@darksith7282]

Storm Rhode in the dbs manga they stated that goku and vegeta had trained so much that the zenkais became irrelevant. As for cell, i think he absorbed the blast or goku’s cells which is why hecame back stronger as Super Perfect as well as knew how to do instant tramsmission. Tbh its all due to the inconsistent writing.

[@stormrhode2330]

@@darksith7282 One reason aspects like this and other examples of bad/inconsistent writing are so frustrating is because so much of the story is so well done and so fun. I think if in the first place the zenkai was a tiny boost in strength or durability, as opposed to a potential massive multiplier, it would have been fine.

[@rianvanheerden8487]

Obviously alot Goku was only ssj1 ( mastered super Saiyan specifically) during cell saga By the time the Buu saga started he had already obtained ssj2 and ssj3 So he's about 8 times stronger if you go according to the multipliers (x2 for ssj2 and ssj2 x4 for ssj3)

[@Strategistdating]

I would would say Gohan was around 15 Million when he fought Frieza & after the training in the time chamber was 250 Million Cell at full power was around 260 or 270 Million which is 20 percent stronger then Goku was back then. Gohan at 325 Million which is nearly 50 percent stronger scary.

[@Dark2234]

have you got a playlist of the music you used in the background?

[@elontusk610]

Dunno. But frieza gained triple this the first day he trained in super

[@michaelschwader7944]

SSJ - lightning around aura SSJ2 - lightning inside aura SSJ3 - lightning around body

[@Orwasitme]

Gotta interrupt the video at 2:02 to point out that Cell ate a senzu bean before fighting Gohan. Cell and Goku were on roughly equal terms with a slight edge to Cell. You're forgetting, Cell is a saiyan. Cell gets Zenkai. Cell ate Senzu. Cell got Zenkai. That's why he had the huge powerup. Okay, continue.

[@amonster8433]

Goku BUU saga ssj3 is basically him coming back from quarantine after the cell games from not getting a haircut.

[@Sokhele]

Crazy part is the Buu Saga was a day long

[@Tboatz0008]

you should do one on how much stronger is beerus other 30% because i mean if he really used 70% against god goku then hell by now they should be able to body him i mean they have gotten way stronger

[@BrianAwesome]

@Laughingstock Media, what if Goku didN'T give Cell a Senzu Bean?

[@75JUNAKI]

This is another comment of mine, this time with scaling for the Cell Games - Boo Saga. I’ll do different scalings in the reply. I’ll use Cell Game Base Kakkarot as a 1 and others above that number, these will have my numbers (low balled, I think). Base Kakkarot - 1 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 4 Kakkarot - 50 Base Pre-Teen Gohan - 2 Base Pre-Teen Gohan (potential unlocked) - 6 (x3 Base Pre-Teen Gohan) Super Sayia-Jin Grade 4 Pre-Teen Gohan - 100 (x50 Base Pre-Teen Gohan) Super Sayia-Jin Grade 5 Pre-Teen Gohan (potential unlocked) - 600 (x100 Base Pre-Teen Gohan potential unlocked) Perfect Cell - 200 Super Perfect Cell - 400 Boo Saga: Base Kakkarot - 8 Boo Saga: Super Sayia-Jin Grade 4 Kakkarot - 400 Boo Saga: Super Sayia-Jin Grade 5 Kakkarot - 800 Boo Saga: Super Sayia-Jin 3 Kakkarot - 3,200 Boo Saga: Base Kakkarot could be 7 so making him in Grade 4 = 350 & Grade 5 700 and for S.S-J 3 Kakkarot a 2,800 . His power could be greater but I’ll stick what could make sense. Base Kakkarot could have gotten that strong in 7 years but idk.

[@nightbaron7444]

You undepowered a lot the power if goku

[@danyaanbostic1778]

Yeah if you look at hard evidence.its no way cell could have been twice as strong as goku.with heavy breathing.and scratches all over his body.maybe 1.25 but double not possible.

[@chrishosey7535]

I don't think Gohan was as strong as a Ssj3 against cell. Sure his hidden power probably did give him a nice boost, but there's no way it was anymore than another 50 percent of gohan mastered ssj on top of ssj2. If this were true, then he would probably be able to take on fat buu and hold his own well and possibly even beat him. I know you're probably about to say that "well since Vegeta stated that Goku was stronger than gohan during the cell games that you could just say that Ssj2 Goku is stronger than a hypothetical ssj3 term gohan" (that's the amount of power you're proposing he put out) and I just don't see that. If that were true then that means that Cell would've surpassed Ssj2 gohan when he came back as super perfect cell since gohan power was cut in half and cell was able to stalemate and even overpower this gohan without going full power himself. So it just doesn't make sense unless you make a bunch of assumptions that are kind bbn of far fetched.

[@Phntmfx]

Finally someone is not afraid to admit that Majin Vegeta got a majin boost.

[@moha94vss38]

What ? Who said that vegeta didnt get a boost ?

[@jinkisaragi874]

@@moha94vss38 Yeah , i never even heard someone claim that he didn't. I mean the power boost was the whole point why he went majin.

[@anthonyrivers1218]

Ik it's just a video game but this made me think how much power xenoverse characters have like you were fighting Final Form 100% Frieza on namek in your base form. 🤣🤣

[@reversalmushroom]

Do half-Saiyans get zenkais? I don't think they do because we've never seen that, and that statement from Buutenks. But then again, Cell got a boost when he's a lot less Saiyan than that.

[@joehaigh2811]

"cell thought he could take everyone on the hillside without asenzu even after defeating goku" well using this to scale power is invalid because he couldn't even defeat just gohan!

[@yutaoGOATsu236]

He was stronger than Gohan before ssj2 so it wasn't false only reason he lost was because he was goating gohan to get angry and unlock ssj2

[@blackreign351]

SUPREME KING AMV exactly. It would of been a longer fighter forsure, but he was still stronger than SS gohan

[@michaelortiz4228]

From when Goku returned to the afterlife to when he fought kid buu was only about a day so I don't know how he could have gotten stronger. I believe he actually got weaker because at the end of the arc he is alive and has all the limitations of a mortal body. I believe Goku was able to beat fat buu because he was more used to super saiyan 3 as a dead man than alive.

[@75JUNAKI]

My “current” guess is that Kakkarot could be like x50 or above that since it’s been 7 years and training for 7 years would give a big boost, it could not be close to truth but idk I feel like it make sense because it’s a decade (well minus 3 years). I think Kakkarot went from 3,000,000 on Namek Saga to 540,000,000,000 (idk this could be wayyyy to much of a gap but I think since it’s been like decades and such I can believe it myself) so making it x180,000 that when he’s on Namek, again that doesn’t make sense but I’ll explain. 3,000,000 x 3 x 30 x 20 x100 (or x40 or x50 or x100) making it 540,000,000,000 in total. x30 instead would’ve been 162,000,000,000. x40 instead would’ve been 216,000,000,000. x50 instead would’ve been 270,000,000,000. Yee anyone debunk me on this but idk it kind of make sense. x3 from before he arrived back on earth. x30 from training with Piccolo & Gohan. x20 from training with Gohan in the Hyperbolic-time chamber (correct me on the name). x30 or 40 or 50 or even 100 from the 7 years of peace. Again correct me on this stuff, I’ll stick with this nonsensical increase in power. Edit: Idk if you’d accept this either 3,000,000×2×20×10×50 = 60,000,000,000. 60,000,000,000 is only x9 weaker then 540,000,000,000. 60,000,000,000 is only x20,000 3,000,000 so idk if you guys still accept it.

[@75JUNAKI]

Namek Saga: Base Kakkarot - 3,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 1 Kakkarot - 150,000,000 100% Final Form Freeza - 120,000,000 Base Kakkarot (return to earth) - 6,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 1 Kakkarot - 300,000,000 Cell Saga: Base Kakkarot (trained) - 60,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 1 Kakkarot - 3,000,000,000 Base Vegeta - 60,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 1 Vegeta - 3,000,000,000 Android No.18 - 3,600,000,000 Android No.17 - 5,400,000,000 Android No.16 - 27,000,000,000 1st Form Cell - 27,000,000,000 2nd Form Cell - 54,000,000,000 Base Vegeta (trained) - 960,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 1 Vegeta - 48,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 2 Vegeta - 57,600,000,000 Base Future Trunks - 960,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 1 Future Trunks - 48,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 2 Future Trunks - 57,600,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 3 Future Trunks - 86,400,000,000 Base Kakkarot (trained) - 1,800,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 4 Kakkarot (trained) - 90,000,000,000 Base Pre-Teen Gohan - 3,600,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 4 Pre-Teen Gohan - 180,000,000,000 Base Pre-Teen Gohan (potential unlocked) - 14,400,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 4 Pre-Teen Gohan (potential unlocked) - 720,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 5 Pre-Teen Gohan (potential unlocked) - 1,440,000,000,000 Perfect Cell - 540,000,000,000 Super Perfect Cell - 1,080,000,000,000 Boo Saga: Base Kakkarot (trained) - 54,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 4 Kakkarot - 2,700,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 5 Kakkarot - 5,400,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin 3 Kakkarot - 21,600,000,000,000 Base Vegeta (trained) - 27,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 4 Vegeta (trained) - 1,350,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 5 Vegeta (trained) - 2,700,000,000,000 Base Vegeta (powered up) - 54,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 4 Vegeta (powered up) - 2,700,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 5 Vegeta (powered up) - 5,400,000,000,000 Mr.Boo - 10,800,000,000,000 Mr.Boo (split) - 5,000,000 (?) Evil Boo - 2,160,000 (?) Super Boo - 54,000,000,000,000 Base Gotenks - 135,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 4 Gotenks - 6,750,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 5 Gotenks - 13,500,000,000,000 Super Sayia-Jin 3 Gotenks - 54,000,000,000,000 Base Gohan - 90,000,000,000 Ultimate Gohan - 270,000,000,000,000 Super Boo (SSj3 Gotenks & Piccolo absorbed) - 540,000,000,000,000 Super Boo (Piccolo absorbed) - 108,000,000,000,000 Super Boo (Gohan absorbed) - 1,080,000,000,000,000 Base Vegerot/Vegetto - 14,580,000,000,000,000,000,000 (?) Super Sayia-Jin Grade 4 Vegerot/Vegetto - 729,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (?) Super Sayia-Jin Grade 5 Vegerot/Vegetto - 1,458,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (?) Super Sayia-Jin 3 Vegerot/Vegetto - 5,832,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (?)

[@lopirobinson1991]

I always thought why didn't ultimate Gohan potential unleashed go super Saiyan to fight Buutenks? He didn't even try. Yeah he was super strong in his base form thanks to elder Kai but wouldn't he get way stronger if he went super Saiyan??????

[@Fuchsfeuer]

kid buu fought against fat buu and was much stronger than fat buu. I think Goku thought that Kid Buu was about the same level as Fat Buu but realized that he was stronger and there was also the fact that he lost energy much faster than Kid Buu. I think the real ones were about the same strength, only Goku had the problem with the energy loss. I think even if he had gotten a bean and fought at 100%, he would have lost in the long run. You can only defeat Buu if you are much stronger than him and therefore do a lot more damage to him over time, which Goku wasn't, or you just use the Genkidama. I rate Kid Buu on the same level as normal Buu. It's just that Kid Buu fights much more wildly and has no morals and the like, which makes him more dangerous. In terms of spirit and character, he is much more dangerous because he fights purely instinctively.

[@DOLLAMAC190]

im sorry but some of your incite is a lil off. Gohan never used his full power against Cell. he toyed with cell. just because they felt what gohan had when he fought cell doesn't mean Gohan was going all out. Remember Gohan loss the use of his left arm (underestimated cell power) and he was holding back during the beam struggle with cell because of his own self pity. but when he did unleash what he had ( with one arm), they thought that was all of his power when it really wasn't.. so its an estimate not the exact reading of his power level. Gohan could have been what Vegeta was at normal SS2, as a kid when going full power. but the majin boost probably gave him a lil edge over kid gohan. but Goku on the other hand was far beyond Gohan as a kid, because of what we know now (his SS3 form).

[@KaimIICOD]

I don't think Gohan unlocked any hidden potential when he become SSJ2 (i mean, he didn't get more power in base form afther the Cell Games, despite of a zenkai power boost maybe). And i put Goku arround 85% of Gohan's power in the Cell Games. Goku SSJ1 8,5 Gohan SSJ1 10 Perfect Cell 12,5 Gohan SSJ2 20 Super Perfect Cell 17

[@SuperHns]

no they are not even, Goky already had SSJ3 unlocked. Goky was allowing Vegeta to think they were equal