How New Age & Word of Faith Misunderstand the Bible (Mike Winger and Melissa Dougherty)

[@slaugh77ify]

I was born with a genetic disorder that gave me an extra female chromosome. So my male parts are extremely small. I was told I needed enough faith to be healed. I've been ridiculed growing up and I was angry that God made me this way. My quiver is not full. But God has loved me so much, through this. He gave me an incredible scripture out of Isaiah 53. And also how He fearfully and wonderfully made me. I know somehow God is glorified through me. I've also prayed for healing and been through the charismatic ringer about healing. But all I want is God to be glorified through me, healed or not.

[@ThankyouJesus4444]

God bless you! What an incredible testimony x thankyou for sharing this.

[@bryanbulmer6716]

Glad you made it out with your faith.

[@kathrynenglish1189]

You ate so VERY much more than any particular part of you, really!

[@shyloh1980]

How does FAITH GROW ?

[@sarahc.7400]

You sound like an amazing man of God.

[@sophialia9635]

When I found out I had a brain tumor. In the church I attended I was told that Gods wants me healthy and healed and it’s generational curse or unforgiveness in my heart and the healing will manifest soon. I said what if I’m not healed? Jesus is enough, his blood is enough for me, if God wants me healed he will heal me if not His name will still be glorified’. My husband and I were always a little uneasy in our spirit about some sermons preached and some charasmatic belief and practices. The last service I attended the Pastor preached ‘my choices create my destiny and God wants only to bless me’. I cried in my seat. Praise the Lord! this condition opened my eyes and my family eyes to see that we are not being taught the Word of God. It’s a new age movement, with some Jesus. We no longer attend the church, it’s been hard leaving, we lost friends and really enjoyed serving. I trust the Lord as my shepherd and he will place us exactly where we need to be.

[@jacksolomon1379]

Marli G ..good for you Marli..Christ alone ! I hope you find the right church soon and I pray Our Lord will be with you especially during this difficult time. I pray you are healed knowing it’s His plan we trust in ultimately!😘

[@sophialia9635]

Jack Solomon Thank you! God bless! ❤️

[@mikefreso6177]

Wow very encouraging thank you for sharing that. And well like you said, you have Christ and that is enough , you should be good for all eternity haha! Hope all goes well.

[@AirChurch]

@Marli G Thank you for sharing your heartfelt story. May God bless you richly as you trust Him alone.

[@hannahdeforest9148]

Marli G - Praise God that you can trust Him through this hard time! Lord Jesus, I ask that you would please bless Marli With healing in her body, and a wonderful church with believers who seek to know the truth about your word and who will be life-giving friends to her and her family.

[@SilasRaven]

Faith is not about God fixing things. Faith is about trusting Him in a world that is broken, so that we can have the peace of God that guards our hearts and minds.

[@milah24]

Yet over and over again in scripture God fixes things and faith is usually always required. Yes, there is a lot of false teachings that take this to the extreme but this video is swinging over the exact opposite side which is also false. It's much easier for us to trust that everything good and bad is from God than it is to trust that he is good and that his promises are for us. These types of teachings are causing us to become lukewarm believers.

[@SilasRaven]

@@milah24 God did fix things, and God does fix things, but God has made NO "promises" that He will fix things because of our faith in the finished work of the cross. You are confused, and lack a basic understanding of the gospel. The kind of religion that you ascribe to is a pseudo Christianity, that places a false faith in God for what He came to do. You have no clue what a "lukewarm believer" is, and I am certain that you have never come to believe in Him, in the first place.

[@milah24]

@@SilasRaven Show me this belief in scripture. I have read it and this is not what it teaches. Imo, you are adhering more to the traditions of men and are not aware of the new covenant that we are under. God works through faith Scripture is very clear about that. Again, I have studied it so don't just assume someone has a lack of understanding just because they don't agree with your interpretation.

[@SilasRaven]

@@milah24 You are asking me to prove a negative, but the onus is on YOU to prove from the Bible that God "promises" to fix those things which are seen, which are not eternal. Salvation is by grace through faith, and you are adding to to God's word. “Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consists not in the abundance of the things which he possesses.” Luke 12:15 Your heart is focused from faith in the things hoped for, when we receive the redemption of our bodies, to faith in what you can possess now. It is a false faith. Many have added to the gospel by claiming that it includes the promise of prosperity / healing through a faith that is foreign to those who penned the New Testament. Many proponents of this other gospel, that it takes the same faith to be physically healed, or to receive financial prosperity, as it does to be saved. Yet they are noticeably silent when asked.. "If someone does not receive the expected physical benefits of their faith, how do they know that they received the spiritual promise of their salvation?". Believers are complete in Him, and it’s important that you do not develop a “what have you done for me lately” relationship with God. The "abundant life" spoken of in John 10:10 is the life of God that we receive when we are born of the Spirit. It is not in the "abundance of the things we possess", but in Christ, in His life. Ephesians 1:3 tells us that we have been given every spiritual blessing in Christ. And 2 Peter 1:3 tells us that God has given us everything pertaining to life and godliness. We are complete in Him (Colossians 2:10), and not lacking in any gift (1 Corinthians 1:7). Paul tells us in Ephesians 5:5 that coveting is idolatry. We are not content with everything we have in Christ, so we go looking for more. The spirit of the world is to convince those who have been given everything from God that they are lacking something. This is what happened in the Garden with Adam and Eve, and it is still happening today. Everything we have from God is given to us freely, and we are not lacking an abundant life, and we need not go looking for one. We need to fix our eyes on Jesus. "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God" 1 Corinthians 2:12 Do we know people who are poor, sick, or dying? Do we really want to tell them that they do not have an abundant life in Christ. Was Paul lacking when he was in prison, sick, nearly stoned to death, etc.? Do we want to tell others that they are lacking? “Not that I speak from want; for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need. I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.” Philippians 4:11-13 We do not want to adopt the spirit of the world when we share the hope that is in us. "Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance." Rom 8:23-25 The life Jesus give us, is the kind of life that cannot perish. It is abundant life because it is the same life that He has. It is eternal, and it is based on a promise that cannot be broken.

[@aaroncardoza2625]

@@SilasRaven God fixes things because of faith all the time in scripture, is your point that God is not obligated to fix things?

[@rosalindwyatt5603]

My pastor says, “If you take the text, out of context, all you’re left with is a con”.

[@kevindunn1013]

As a former charismatic, raised catholic, and former New ager..not in that order...You guys r spot on! Keep glorifying Jesus and His scriptures. So nice to see the next generation uphold His Doctrines as explained in the Bible. Great Job and Praise The LORD!

[@Kirkorr123]

I have always taught my children that when someone says don't judge me they are really saying don't disagree with me.

[@sylviac.6778]

That is exactly what they are saying. But I find they lack huge discernment.

[@mariettagernandt4575]

Yes!! How true, that phrase is being used to manipulate!

[@lindawhite6635]

I more than agree with you!! When folks say don't judge me they're saying don't tell me what I'm doing is wrong. The scripture truly has to be rightly divided.

[@KristiLEvans1]

Pfft... wow! You nailed it. Telling mine the same thing,

[@mauchkimberly]

So, do you also teach them not to judge others, and what that looks like? While I agree that people do use that phrase to shut down criticism, there is also a big propensity, by many Christians, to "speak the truth" to others, which is really addressing things they don't like about someone else. I have been deeply damaged by leaders who did judge me, and they were the ones in error, as evidenced by their church failing and the leadership leaving the church altogether. You do understand that by one's standard of measure we are measured, right? Because, having a different opinion than someone else should not provoke someone to feel judged (and if it does then it's an issue with their faith), but on the other hand, Paul did say that he would give up eating meat if eating meat caused someone with weaker faith to stumble. So then, our preferences should not be a catalyst for criticizing another person either. It would be better to just not judge others, since we're told not to judge others.

[@IamTheOne247]

We need a Part 2 because wow!😭 I watched this one out of curiosity, assuming I'm "safe", I'm shocked to learn just how much the new age ideology has influenced my own interpretation of the scripture! This has been so helpful, thank you Mike & Melissa for doing this!

[@beana218]

Same!

[@smokyquartz5817]

Guys this is a scam. You'll be ok...

[@michellecardenas6072]

​@@smokyquartz5817 I'm kinda thinkn the same. They seem to be reaching FAR AND WIDE to discount the TRUTH of how our biological bodies work just to go against new age.

[@gullwingstorm857]

@@smokyquartz5817 I think you might be the scam.

[@smokyquartz5817]

@@gullwingstorm857 That's why you're so trapped. :(

[@CandiceSumera]

I recently came to Christ from a long history of New Age thoughts, practices, and beliefs. Something I've been struggling with is encountering fellow Christians and teachings in churches that seem awfully like New Age teachings to me, but people are attributing it to the Bible and Jesus. This conversation was incredibly enlightening and I plan on listening to it again, a lot to think about. Thank you!

[@dieselcowboy777]

These 2 guys act like they are Christians and they are nothing but liars.... They are not even qualified to debate scripture because they are not even born again....because they are not baptized in the name of Jesus Christ Their answers are mostly are mostly non answers.... This man has rejected the light and truth that bro William branham teaches.....and exalts his lies above truth They will just deceive you with their carnal minded same old ramblings that false men have taught for 100s of years

[@hesherzgamin2816]

dieselcowboy777 what two guys are you referring to?

[@codymarkley8372]

@Candice Sumera, its a long road back to normalcy, but you can use that knowledge of the new age to combat it. God is raising a group of people out of the new age to inform his church and evangelize to those in the new age movement.

[@dieselcowboy777]

@@hesherzgamin2816 the same guys in this video.... He thinks his seminary teaching is the absolute truth and tells you not to listen to non trinitarians who have the real answers..... He is brainwashed like all ministers taught at seminaries because all seminaries are corrupt and brainwash you.... This guy is not bride and is not born again....because the only way you can get born again and become the bride is by being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and following the way of holiness just like bro William branham said.....

[@ghstpoh]

@@dieselcowboy777 'Just like bro William Branham said..." I see a pattern here... I honestly don't know who bro William is and I've never heard of him but what all these people are doing are offering a biblical viewpoint from the perspective of the bible... no additional interpretations needed. You should try looking at the bible from this perspective instead of what other people are saying about it, them included. Go and find out for yourself.

[@kitkat3164]

Having come from the word of faith movement , I almost walked away from Christianity. Thank God, He led me to a true Bible teaching church and my faith was restored and renewed.

[@kimberlylusby3365]

OMG this was Amazing!! You answers the gems that Melissa asked. I was raised EXTREME charismatic focused on experiences rather than focused on the actual Word of God. My eyes are open and the scales fell off. Thank you Thankyou Thankyou!

[@rob5462]

If it was really extreme Charismatic [Grace gifted] surely that would be a good thing. What is a bad thing is fake or counterfeit charismatic.

[@slamdancer777]

@@rob5462 no, you should never be focused on experiences. Focus on His WORD.

[@savedwretch]

@@rob5462 ...like slam dancer, i was brought up in many different charasmatic churches....i could never (honestly) speak in tongues so I was told i didn't receive the Holy Spirit in some of these churches after water baptism. After begging God as a little boy up to early teenager to receive the Holy Spirit and get blown or pushed over by our pastor and laugh or cry on the floor "touched by the Spirit" they say. I lost my faith as teenager...made wrong friends...started cursing and drinking. Only later in my life i started to read my Bible and looked for pastors like pastor Mike that doesn't preach on a single verse...but that preaches in context. No charasmatic church does it right. How can I say that?!...well it's not demonstrated in Scripture and Paul writes specifically to the church that looks "alive", but are dead.

[@marisa5359]

@@savedwretch You described my growing up experience to a T. I rejoice God showed me His truth through His Word and drew me out of that foolishness.

[@savedwretch]

@@marisa5359 Awesome, we and many. The truth will prevail ! A few months ago i was diagnosed with level 4 brain tumor that doctors can't do anything about. Only the last 2 years of my life I really dug into the Word...and i couldn't and still can't get enough :) I was given 6 months to live....it's now almost 1 year and i'm still here...God has used me in this time soooo much to reach lost souls and well people that fell away like you and me (false converts) in the past. I will serve my God to my last breath. I am so grateful God spared me up to these recent years to clean my robe and sin (passive sin) no more. God bless you sister and may He use you and me for His glory...amen.

[@ccsapastor]

Really loved the statement of God cares more about my character than my comfort.

[@BrodyBroBaby]

Robert Bigouette my brother losing his wife completely broke us. It brought us out of new age thoughts and back to Christ. When he read that God cares more about our character than our comfort...it was huge for us. Us losing Kelsey ultimately saved us because we became awake and all of the sudden I learned what new age was and found out i was falling down that hole without even knowing it! Her faith and trust in God led us to see how blind we were and how brainwashed people are becoming. God does care more about our character than our earthly comforts because he knows it’s for the good of our eternity!

[@martusmedia]

Allie Smith what an incredible blessing!

[@pricelessperfection4606]

@@BrodyBroBaby oh, an hole hopper, huh

[@GrandlerAndi]

Think je cares about us in whole. And if you love God, your next and yoursself, than all is perfect, wether you you are poor or not. Intresting for me, have not read about a poor Man of God in the bible so far, and thouse who where, had chosen poor live delibertli . It is all about your personal interacting with God. Poor or rich, you will be happy in both

[@bbbshuawy2319]

loved this also!

[@SilasRaven]

Satan offered Jesus "Your Best Life Now"

[@jtpcwife1486]

Dave O'Brien exactly!

[@brotherfred2669]

True . And he answered correctly. Many t.v preachers today have taken Satans offer

[@jonathanjensen189]

Satan also said "you will not die"

[@charasmithmanchame3740]

🤯so true, just repackaged and rebranded it for the modern day

[@KM-zn3lx]

Dave....so elegantly and aptly stated! Amen!

[@iamsteve4018]

Great teaching! Two years ago I was diagnosed with prostate cancer and underwent both surgery and radiation therapy. I prayed daily that God would heal me miraculously but still went through with the surgery and radiation. Why? I felt that to forego the medical procedures would be to presume upon the goodness of God. When they wheeled me into surgery I prayed "Lord, I'm in Your hands." Every radiation treatment was proceeded with the same prayer. I did this because I truly believe that I was not just in the hands of the surgeon/technicians, but, ultimately, in the hands of God. My faith in God was greatly strengthened through this process even though, to my knowledge, God did not heal my miraculously. Three tests later, I am still cancer-free. (Thank God) I believe with all my heart that God still heals today. Either way, I'm in his hands.

[@slamdancer777]

Steve, I'm glad to hear that. While God CAN and does act miraculously, He more typically uses means, ie a doctor to heal. God bless.

[@butdoyouknowjesus4121]

Amen 🤍

[@PokiyourMouf]

​@slamdancer777 I literally had this conversation with my wife. She keeps telling me pray and have faith that I won't have the surgery, I said to her that a day before my operation the original surgeon got covid and the replacement surgeon was called in, just before I went under anaesthetic I notice the new surgeon saying a pray in the distance, to me that was my miracle in itself, knowing that I was in Christian hands and I believed that God had put him in the room for a reason, I felt so at ease and said to God let your will be done and I trust your decision. She didn't like that I had the surgery because she reckons I could have been healed before the surgery and said I just needed to have faith, I said to her God heals in many different ways even through doctors and other means. I said to her "faith is not commanding the storm to stop, faith is asking God to get you through the storm." She didn't didn't know how to respond to that, but I pray that in gods time he will open her heart and eyes to realise this movement and their teachers are playing with her salvation and hopefully bring her back to the real Christ, To this time, he is working miracles with her heart, and I can definitely see a lot of changes in her life. Just except God's will not yours! God bless brother 🙌

[@camillewilliams3185]

Beautifully written ❤

[@GabyDee7]

Praise God.God heals as He chooses.

[@vkhoro]

I feel like I’m finally eating the word! 😭 feels like this is my “church”. I’m relearning the word and I love it.

[@savedbeliever]

Also listen to Andy Woods,,,from Sugarland Bible Church,,,a solid Bible teacher

[@stephenpeterson7570]

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[@starsthedog]

Eat it lady 🙏🕊️🥨

[@usernameunknown5073]

Honor those with your wealth who preach the gospel… I felt to place this comment for whoever needs it.. and that goes for any KZbinr who actually preaches the true gospel

[@robertpaulacuna6097]

Meat vs milk

[@Fairford2001]

I recently left the Word of Faith and I’m not looking back.

[@linak7155]

What was the straw that broke the camel's 🐫 back?

[@Fairford2001]

@@linak7155 I had a serious wake up call shortly after the COVID-19 pandemic broke out. I felt convicted to leave the Word of Faith movement. I'm convinced COVID-19 exposed these false teachers.

[@meaganearly2797]

@@Fairford2001 Are you able to share what your experience was shortly after the pandemic broke out? I'm curious if it was similar to mine. Thanks.

[@savedbeliever]

I once went to a church where this WOF was taught,,,,and they trashed homeless people and people without a job,,,, enforced and mandated tithing, so much so that you were called out if you didn't give tithe,,,and you couldn't get prayer or be in any position,,,, you were ostracized,,,,, also the people who gave money were called "partners". I sad because I liked the people who attended, but they were brainwashed, because they didn't know The Word for themselves. Another thing was that if someone was sick they didn't have enough faith according to the pastor,,,,,

[@linak7155]

@@Fairford2001 I hear you! Many times the Father will use external events to wake us up. 🌿

[@MelissaDougherty]

Thanks so much Mike for being on and giving your input! It will definitely be a blessing to many!

[@ryanadams5719]

Hey Melissa! The way I look at the "Greater things than these" text....is ,I believe Jesus was talking about all the people that We would carry the gospel message to....all the souls that would be set free throughout time by the truth of the Gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit is "Greater" than any amount of physical healing.

[@MelissaDougherty]

@@ryanadams5719 I like that! 👍

[@22moonpie]

Great video , thank for all the hard work & effort !!

[@Obi-Wan81]

@@ryanadams5719 ABSOLUTELY! At last, someone who gets what 'greater works' actually is. The amount of charismatics I speak to who think that greater works is raising the dead, walking on water, casting out demons - basically doing more spectacular miracles than Jesus himself. Just crazy...

[@ryanadams5719]

@@Obi-Wan81 ......I was raised being taught the charismatic view......but We gotta realize that these would be equal works....not greater. And then We gotta know that the greatest work that can ever take place on this world is the work of the Holy Spirit through the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the hearts and lives of man.....whether or not those that are physically blind receive sight....and I believe some will.....or whether or not they will get up out of a wheelchair......and I know that some will..... The healing and restoration of the soul and heart to right relationship with God is where it is at!!!

[@tasiadotson2177]

This was an excellent discussion! One of the most powerful things I got from this is when Melissa asked "if we never get the healing or the financial gain, is Jesus enough?" Wow! I've been so guilty of being upset at Jesus when things don't go my way. This is a question I will begin to ask myself often, as well as checking my motives behind what I'm doing for others. Thank you so much for doing this discussion!

[@pattysturick4926]

Tasia Dotson, I think everyone has that same feeling at times if they are honest about getting our own way now.

[@kkdoc7864]

Yes. We forget that He can say, “No,” too

[@dieselcowboy777]

It was a discussion to make you disbelieve the word

[@svenwalton1332]

"isn't Jesus enough" is a straw man argument. It is neither biblically astute nor does it address the specific issue. Healing is available to us by what Jesus did on the cross for us. The Bible teaches that it is a grace we can have. Sidestepping that fact by stating something from the religious spirit isn't authentic or honest. Of course Jesus is enough. And He covered all our sins and all our healing needs.

[@Yvanyllda]

@@dieselcowboy777 How so?

[@woodb51]

Mike Winger you are one of the most solid biblical teachers in the country. Well, at least on youtube.

[@bobs8005]

Woody Bailey I do enjoy how positive and non-critical Mike is when using constructive criticism. Such a gentle kind approach there is a lot to learn from him.

[@jennseal7336]

I love listening to this man .. has opened my mind and eyes.. bless you Mike

[@dieselcowboy777]

You are deluded

[@savedbeliever]

So is Andy Woods,,,a solid teacher

[@ajlouviere202]

All honor and glory be to Mike and not the Lord?

[@Weissguys6]

I want to thank you for this. As a person who lives with Chronic Pain, I know that Christ has not forsaken me! Word of Faith believers have caused me much grief in the past...

[@klc_hurst7542]

I also have chronic pain and I identify with this so much. I've felt a lot of shame and grief from being taught the belief that I would be healed if I were just faithful enough. A few times when I've told people I have a chronic illness they've actually said "You don't have a "chronic" illness, because Jesus is going to heal you! Don't speak illness over yourself." When I rejected that idea my faith bloomed and my mental illness issues improved so much. Praise God.

[@Weissguys6]

@@klc_hurst7542 I’m so glad that you have rejected these lies too! Nothing worse than thinking it’s your “unconfessed sins” that are causing your horrid pain instead of simply this fallen world. We SHALL BE pain free one day, beloved, when we see our Lord Jesus face to face! ❤️ I will pray for you now.

[@klc_hurst7542]

@@Weissguys6 Thank you sister! I feel like I can finally live in true freedom, being ok with the fact that my healing might not come in this life. I can actually use my illness for his glory with confidence now! I will pray for you as well ❤️

[@rob5462]

Healing is a complicated subject. I have suffered from back pain for many years. However, I prayed for and laid hands on a friend's for healing he had been suffering back pain for some time. His pain immediately left and many years later he told me he had never had the pain again. It's about 10 times in my life I have prayed for other's who have been immediately healed but I have never experienced any healing when praying for myself or when others have prayed for me. I have been a pastor, church planter and missionary.

[@Sirkento]

The song "even if the healing doesn't come" was absolutely life-changing to me. I had a best friend from childhood who was fighting cancer, beat it, but then it came back and defeated her. I had to accept while she was still struggling with it that God was still good and still in charge and still did the good and right things for us even if her healing did not come. Her healing did not come, but God is still good and God is still awesome and life is still the way it is supposed to be, the way that he wants it to be. I laid my request before him but he had other plans, and it's up to me to get in line with those plans and try to help paint his bigger picture

[@chrisschneider9465]

"The Law of Attraction turns love into selfishness." - brilliant analysis, Pastor Mike!

[@saiyahsage]

I am in the process of unlearning new age beliefs after finally opening my heart to Christ and Christianity, and I am so thankful for this video! I truly believe new age spirituality is one of, if not, the most deceptive form of satanic/anti-gospel beliefs, because it is on its surface so similar to Christianity, and ‘sounds so good’, but in reality is just intense self-idolatry in disguise.

[@krystiesolfyre5340]

This right here! I witnessed it first hand and got consumed first hand as well, my ego had been through the roof thinking I could manifest and have anything I want. It’s a very misguided path. I praise God that I saw the light with his grace.

[@09251976100]

About giving to get. Love this parable of Jesus. Luke 14:12-14-- "Then Jesus said to his host, “When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or sisters, your relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”

[@BontleNdimande7]

Yes!

[@johanjonahanyi5107]

thanks for sharing

[@debraburton4594]

Mike, you are that voice of truth in the wilderness. You are changing lives by speaking Biblical truth which is all that really matters!

[@benwade7334]

Thank you Mike. Usually you hear this kind of teaching from a reformist background. This usually rubs our charismatic siblings the wrong way. Since you are a charismatic, I think your sensitive and respectful approach communicates effectively to a crowd that usually shuts down in this type of discussion. Kudos sir! Very grateful for you brother

[@kkdoc7864]

When people tell me “faith without works is dead” to defend works’ importance, I tell them that I agree. There is no life in a faith that is not exhibited thru works, but works have nothing to do with salvation. It is the FAITH in Christ that saves.

[@luxterrae]

It is Grace. not faith, that saves. And faith cannot exist without works. As faith itself IS work.

[@kkdoc7864]

finitesky read the New Testament about salvation. It is faith that makes you righteous with God and He in turn gives the gift of grace. Faith is not considered a work or it wouldn’t be said “faith without works”. We were prepared ahead of time for good works that flow as a result of salvation. When the Paul talks about works, he is trying to get the believer to understand that there is NOTHING you can do to save yourself. As long as that is your belief, you understand the amazing gift you have been given.

[@sylviac.6778]

@@luxterrae Faith is Belief.

[@luxterrae]

@@sylviac.6778 Do you deny yourself everyday as Jesus comanded? If you do then you have working faith

[@merrittascott3323]

@@sylviac.6778 It is by grace you are saved through faith and that too is a GIFT OF GOD.

[@ursalaoutrageous9249]

Recently it dawned on me (it’s about time - I’m 73!) that it takes an even greater faith to accept the answer when God says “no.” Instead of reacting to this answer by thinking I did not have enough faith I should react by knowing that God knows the past and the future and everything about me and others. Therefore He knows what is best and He works for the best, whatever that might be. The other thing I’ve noticed throughout life is that you might think God said no to some requests when He is actually working in the background weaving together some very complex solutions that might surprise you years in the future.

[@RonnieandMel]

This video is so good! So appreciate you, Mike. You are one of the only teachers I’ve seen that use grace AND truth as Jesus did in the way you lead people in the Bible. Your authentic love for Him and the Word is so evident. Thank you for your ministry!

[@yooperupnorth8897]

Godliness with contentment is great gain.

[@nancyliberty4368]

I wish Mike would write this all out and put in a booklet: Countering Word of Faith!

[@fnjesusfreak]

This reminds me of a phrase I like to repeat: "To do the right thing for the wrong reason is to do the wrong thing."

[@somethinggood9267]

That is really good!

[@deborahmak9674]

This was such a blessing thank you for this teaching 🙏

[@valeriegoldstein3483]

Philippians 1:18 For what does it matter? The important thing, whether from false motives or true, is that Christ is preached. Because of this I rejoice and continue to rejoice! If my children are hungry and my neighbor brings groceries, whether it is from kindness or that she just wants to boast about her good deeds on social media, I don’t care, my children are fed. Her motives are between her and God. I think you might need a new saying!

[@thenarrowpath7520]

Thank you for this! I was deceived in the word/faith movement for 20 years and it almost destroyed my marriage, my finances and my faith. It is a false gospel and a cancer in the body of Christ. I've said it before, "Jesus plus nothing is everything!"

[@fleurlewis]

Amen...Godliness with contentment is great gain., His grace is sufficient

[@whythismessage3037]

I too was a casualty along with my brother.. And now after 15 years in the world l have been awaken and returned ... But not to that Gospel even though many Spirit filled believers around me have not been awakened .... I remain to minister not only to the lost but those that are deciecved 🙏

[@thenarrowpath7520]

@@whythismessage3037 Casualty is an appropriate word in this regard. Thank you for the comment! Stay on the narrow path.

[@cindynay3214]

I’m so grateful to have had God convict me on the “New thought/new age that’s being promoted in the Church. I could never get fully on board and as I am actually learning how to read the Bible in context my whole paradigm has been blown out. Thank you, Mike Winger, Dr Michael Heiser, Steven Bancarz , Melissa Dougherty. I’m now able to share the Gospel.

[@lfroglfrog4962]

Mike Winger , U are a gift to us from GOD….(UR KNOWLEDGE , THE WAY YOU CONVEY EVERY SYLLABLE , You are Precious …..collaborating with Melissa is such a vital moment, The Entire piece is Valuable…..& I’ts from 3 years ago!!! You Represent MEN admirably

[@abigailmoma6584]

Wow. This just changed my life. Thank you so much. I was raised in the word of faith movement and am just now starting to come out of it. Praising God right now for his Holy Spirit, who leads us into all truth. 🙏😭❤️

[@GI4JYT]

I said in another post that I have both sight and hearing loss. I was reading one day on my patio 'Spread the Fire' magazine around 1995. I specifically asked the Lord for full sight, and long story short, He said to me words to the effect: 'what would you do with it if you had it'? after a pause the Lord spoke to my heart again 'You would just sin against me with it'. Having a miracle does not necessarily change one's heart.

[@Xandy2dandY]

Phew....Wow. that's so good.

[@GI4JYT]

@@Xandy2dandY That is how the Lord speaks to me from time to time, not everyday I hasten to add, but there are times when the Lord can reach you when others just seem to fail.

[@lydie1416]

Yes I also view that it as a form of protection from more sin.

[@ShawnSavageTeachings]

Ulster 1690 that sounds like the devil to me. God is a loving father. Even if my kid would sin against me I still wouldn’t keep him blind. That’s insane. I wonder if Jesus ever denied someone healing like this in the bible

[@JaneSmith0709]

@@ShawnSavageTeachings Be careful how you judge on this one. Do you vaccinate your children? Would you shove him to the ground if you saw that he was in danger from something coming at him, even though he wasn't aware of what you were doing or why you were doing it? Most good parents would do those things. Do you think the child understands fully why Mommy shoved me to the ground or why daddy took me to get shots? No, but you do them anyway because you know what's best for you children. And if you, being a sinner, know how to give good things to your children, how much more does your Father in heaven know how to give good things to you? His ways are not our ways, his thoughts are far above our thoughts, so you really can't presume to know the mind of God in this situation. Didn't Jesus say that if your eye causes you to sin you should cast it away? Do you think that was just a metaphor? I don't, I think He was being literal. He was letting us know how very serious sin is. I absolutely believe Ulster 1690 got that response from God because I've gotten similar messages from Him. I'm chronically ill and I have begged God to heal me, but whenever I ask, just like when Paul asked for the thorn in his flesh to be removed, God always says, "My grace is sufficient for you." And I believe Him. I know I have honored God far more since I've been sick than I ever did when I was well. I'm not saying God can't or won't heal me, but until He knows I can be responsible whether sick or well I'd just as soon stay sick so that He will be glorified through me.

[@rbarras1]

I love the way you approach the scriptures. You have given clarity to the scriptures that many use out of context without disparaging those in error.

[@richardsheryllmantilla867]

When I watched this last December of 2019, it did change my life. It’s so eye-opening and I hope you can team up again and tackle more verses that have been misused or misinterpreted. Thank you so much for being part of this change in my life!

[@raleigh2071]

Your discussion brought to light some false beliefs I've had while walking with Christ the past 18 years. I wasn't taught how to walk with Christ after asking Him into my heart. Now I see how important that is. New believers need to be taught who God is and what walking with Christ daily will be like. Thank you Mike for reaching out to all of us through your videos!

[@savedbeliever]

Also listen to Andy Woods and JD Farag

[@amandajordan6813]

I know this video was made some time ago but im just now watching it. I was raised in the Christian faith but only 2 years ago actually was born again. I often wondered if I am on the correct path in my new relationship with God. I feel now I absolutely am heading in the right direction. There are still many many things I still do not know but I do know I am on the right path.

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

New Age teachers often TWIST Scripture to make it fit their teachings. I've seen this done before. Melissa is GREAT to listen to! I've recently discovered her channel, and love it!

[@npcortezjr]

I was healed from tuberculosis and hernia several years ago by just BELIEVING and CONFESSING the promises (Word of God). I applied the principle of what Jesus said in Mark 11:22-23. Until now everytime i get sick...the Lord HEALS me by BELIEVING and CONFESSING THE WORD OF GOD. The WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT is not NEW AGE MOVEMENT. The difference is this--- the NEW AGE people are CONFESSING what they like to confess. Whereas the WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT is CONFESSING the WORD OF GOD (God's Promises). Jesus said, "BE IT UNTO YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR FAITH." For CESSATIONISTS the FAITH and CONFESSION PRINCIPLE is just foolishness and not real. But for us who are CONTINUATIONISTS this PRINCIPLE is very effective, and a powerful truth.

[@toddfordr8218]

I dont disagree but don't people in every denomination. If you use interpretations to teach, your teaching your own views, from your own perspective. If you let the words speak for themselves and a person has a different perspective or derives a differing meaning. The natural inclination is to convert their veiw to yours. It's an issue of ego. Nearly every religion and religious denomination teaches their way is the only way. Ego. The enemy of religion during peace is all other religions.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@npcortezjr The word of faith as a movement, is in error. Standing on God's word and receiving healing happens, but God is sovereign and he doesn't always heal, no matter how much we believe and confess. I ought to know. This movement can take it to the point of treating God like a lamp you rub and the word of God as incantations and spells to be cast, where you are in control, and the Holy Spirit is your genie. This is where it has a parallel w/ new age. That's what they are speaking against, taking it to that point. People that don't get healed are judged as not having the right profession, not enough faith, having sin in their life, something, anything wrong w/ them that they didn't get their healing that they "should have". God's word has admonitions and cautions and there really isn't a guarantee

[@BrotherDave80]

@@toddfordr8218 there is one way only... John 14:6, bow the knee and submit or reject... God will judge in the end

[@toddfordr8218]

@@BrotherDave80 God didnt create only one creature, he gave us more than one watering hole, more than one source of food, he makes no two things the same as the other, but you beleive there is only one way to get to heaven. He sent us more than one prophet too, the fact that your religion is based on praying to a dead man who believed the end would come in his generation Is your free will. The bible you read today wasnt decided on until the 4th century, and not one word was every found to have been written by the person who people today beleive is a spiritual deity. It's a great theology working in partnership with democracy, its basically Greek Roman rule. But it teaches free will, because that cant be denied, then says there is only one way. That's man placing controls on other men.

[@davewilliamson8009]

That Monopoly analogy is spot on. You’re nailing it, and I’m just a few minutes in. Looking forward to the rest of this.

[@yeetus_reetus_deeleetus]

the star wars one too!

[@kimjohnson8471]

Listening to this makes me want to have a deeper relationship with my Saviour. God bless you. 😊

[@priscillamarrs4944]

I was a new ager but have been saved. I started attending church and found a small group to join which were studying a book by Bill Johnson. I had no idea who he was when I joined. This video has really cleared a lot of things up for me!

[@loveisneverasin9092]

Priscilla Marrs Hi...how is your sister Veronica Mars doing ? Anyways...I found little light from these two. Melissa blocks you on her You Tube videos if one makes an opposing comment to reprove her : she has a thin skin on her that can't stand a different opinion. They start out telling us Prosperity is wrong : while using expensive split screen digital equipment do it. Can't you see the hippo - cracy in that situation : they are basking in possessions and the free time to make You Tube videos...but telling us Prosperity is of the devil. This is ridiculous : they need to go back to plowing 14 Hours a day behind a Mule ...if Prosperity is wrong.

[@jeanp5395]

After severely breaking my leg...and it changing my life......for months I cried to God....Why did this happen to me? He actually answered me after time passed....my spiritual health was more important for me than my physical situation. Yes, when I felt so hopeless, it drew me so much closer to the Lord, and I have grown spiritually so much more🙏✝️💕

[@Tami8161]

I continue to be so grateful for these teachings. I used to watch the Word of Faith ministries on tv. (like 20 yrs ago), and my spirit just wept. I didn't understand it, it didn't feel right at all...yet all the teachers were saying the same thing, and who am I to gainsay these "people of God"? So, I stopped altogether... I even stopped calling myself a "Christian", because I didn't want to be associated with something that felt so wrong. I shut the church out altogether for many years, and embraced the Bible in a very personal, beautiful way. But within the past couple of years, I have felt like I'm being called back into the whole thing...because my heart breaks so intensely at the thought of those who are being deceived--and will simply walk away from their FAITH as well as the church. I never lost my faith. Thank God for that gift of grace. I just lost faith in the churches--never in God, not in the Bible. But in man--and I know there are so many out there who are genuinely seeking the Lord, but meeting up with false teachers and false prophets, and may never know it unless there are those who are willing to continue to try to reach them. Time is short. I'm startled to learn how so few people who profess to be Christians have never even opened their Bibles, or have NEVER heard the Gospel!!! The church is falling away from the teachings of our Lord. It's time for us to stand up and tell the TRUTH.

[@GodsDutchUncle]

Friends, one of the Biggest mistakes a lot of Christians make, is basing their Beliefs on 1 or 2 scriptures on a subject . The Scriptures , are then, often Wrongly Divided . But , further Study of the Scriptures, Reveals more T R U T H , and Corrects Religious ( but unscriptural ) Opinions . I was Catholic , then Traditional Pentecostal for 17 years . Now , as of 1985 , a Word of Faith Christian , Because , the Leading Teachers ( FINIS DAKE , KENNETH HAGIN etc ) are actually the most Scriptural I've ever seen ! By God's Bible Myth Buster , Born Again, in 1967 . Friends, & Others, may Disagree with some of my Bible Teachings, But, they can't DISPROVE them, with rightly divided Scripture . Since Scripture , rightly divided & correctly understood , and Taught, is God's Final Authority , then the Religious opinions of all who don't Agree , are really no better, than The Pharisee's opinions about Jesus . Both , are Unscriptural . Go ahead, anyone who disagrees , and show me , with 5 rightly divided New Testament Scriptures, where I' m " Wrong " . ( I double dog Dare You , LOL ) I'm Not claiming i " Know it all " , but, I am claiming a high degree, of Scriptural Accuracy . ( Because , I pretty much Daily , like the Bereans , " Search the scriptures, to see if these things, are true . " ( see the book of " Acts " ) P.S. - This isn't " Arrogance " , it's - C O N F I D E N C E - , in God's Diligently Studied Word , for 37 years , so far . Please see Greek Scholar , RICK RENNER 'S Teachings, Free , on YOU TUBE . For L I FE - C H A N G I N G - Teaching , Diligently Study Ephesians 1 verses 13 to 20 ) & may God Bless You and Family .

[@wendyhoward7855]

I am in both camps. I see where Mike is coming from on healing and character and hardship does produce character. But I also see God's heart in Jesus who came to show us the father and Jesus healed all who came to him He also told the disciples to go I to to the nations preach the gospel and heal the sick etc,, I think there are extreems on both sides and I am looking for a balance . Thank you for your messages Mike I find them helpful

[@ryanandkristagordon694]

Wendy Howard research deliverance. Neither one of them touched on it because hardly anyone in the church will. Lots a great stuff here but I was pretty disappointed that many of Christ’s works were ignored. Jesus healed the sick, he raised the dead and he casted out demons. He expects the same out of His followers. Derek Prince and Mike Smith have good teachings here on KZbin. They’re the only ones I know preaching sanctification and are anti-WOF while still allowing for the supernatural.

[@b-isforbetsy7828]

I agree with you!

[@olga4331]

Ryan and Krista Gordon Where does it say that Jesus expects his followers to raise the dead?

[@Marlaina]

Those who attempt to raise the dead don’t. Perfect example is Bethel attempting to raise a little 3 year old girl from the dead and had to admit defeat. Where are the people walking around saying that they have been raised from the dead by Christians instead of on an operating table by surgeons? If this is indeed something we are to do then shouldn’t God give us the means? Where were Christians when people were dying from Covid? From the Spanish Flu 100 years ago? From diseases in third world countries where people die everyday? This belief isn’t based on reality and it’s not a reality because God hasn’t given this gift to anyone in thousands of years.

[@CrochetNewsNetwork]

Ryan and Krista Gordon ~no where in scripture did Jesus claim that all who follow Him will have the same power as Him. Jesus is God , we are not. When Jesus said we will do greater things was not at all a reference to Miracles. It was in context a reference to numerically we will reach more people then He did. His ministry was only 3 three years and in a small geographic area. We now can reach the world from our home office

[@jenniferhenn7874]

I'm totally watching this, again, for training. Thank you!

[@krustysurfer]

Yes listening several times!

[@EnglishbyChris]

Incredible to the point clarity on some key 'taken out of context' verses, thanks so much!!!

[@partoftheway4235]

In order to explain the "full" "true" context it is imperative to explain the Hebrew and Greek of the scriptures. This guy should know this!!!! He is no true "thorough" apologist!!!!

[@stevelopez372]

@@partoftheway4235 Sure sure, what he explains is True. So he didn’t pull out the Strongs Concordance. Lol.

[@TerrenceLannon]

This was one of the most amazing teachings I have ever heard. I was born again Ten years ago, and was introduced to everything you just destroyed with scripture .. the prayer and studies and church I now belong to have obviously led me to this teaching. Thank you thank you thank you. I have been trying to get this into words and now I just had to take notes. My bible is full of these comments. Wow wee!

[@TheBlubunni]

This has been so insightful. I have learned so much and it has caused me to look at myself and my intentions and motives in my walk with The Lord. I can't thank you both enough for your conversation and sharing your knowledge and understanding. All Praise and Glory to Our Father for everything. Thank you. Blessings to you both and your families always. Thank you once again. Much love in Jesus' Name.

[@erinllong]

Thank you Mike for sharing this video! At first I wondered why New Age and Word of Faith movements were coupled together. I was really surprised how similar they are. I grew up with a lot of WOF teaching from my mom. I could never reconcile how Paul prayed for the thorn in his flesh to be removed and he was told no. The people Mom would listen to would say when praying for healing to not add “if it’s God’s will” because according to them, it’s always God’s will for anyone to be healed. I could never reconcile that either. It just did not sit well with me. Add to that their insistence one must speak in tongues because that’s the sign that you’re sealed with the Holy Spirit and that you’re truly a believer and I couldn’t do that, I seriously questioned my salvation for a number of years. Thankfully in college, I had a friend go through a Bible study with me that showed me I can have assurance about salvation and that I don’t have to rely on works. Around that time, I was reading an Elisabeth Elliot book where she quoted her brother, I think it was, where he said, “A text without a context is a pretext for a proof text.” and that has really stuck with me as I read and study the Word. It’s a good reminder to not cherry pick verses and cobble them together to make a theology, but rather consider the whole counsel of God. I love my mom and I’m as reasonably certain as one can be that she is a believer (we’ve had countless discussions on salvation and what it means to be saved), my heart is just grieved that she’s still holding tightly to these WOF preachers. My dad has recently come to faith in the past year and I’ve been praying he won’t get sucked into their teaching. I can’t tackle the WOF issue head on with her. That will just lead to a fight, but the best I can do is to ask questions and share different things I’ve learned, gently, to be pebbles in her shoe, to get her thinking more Biblically. Anyway, thank you Mike, not just for this video, but for your ministry. It has blessed me and helped equip me and my husband, too as we are apart of a team at our church that will launch an apologetics ministry.

[@JewandGreek]

There is no link between the WoF and New Age. WoF teaching holds to all of the essential doctrines of the faith that New Age rejects. WoF affirms the authority of Scripture. WoF teaching rejects reincarnation, astral projection, astrology, transcendental meditation, crystal healing ... etc. When WoF people say that it's always God's will to heal, that's based on the understanding that physical healing was provided for us in the Atonement. Why would God provide it for us if healing isn't His will? Whether you agree with WoF teaching or not it's factually wrong to suggest that it's essentially New Age.

[@lookingatdaisies9901]

​@@JewandGreekshe said they were similar. You're factually wrong about what she said.

[@kaleenscorner9716]

I got soooo Excited while I was watching this video!!!!... I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit!!!!..Thank You God for Your Holy Word!!!❤

[@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn3242]

Thank you for making this video! I just stumbled upon this in my KZbin feed, maybe because I watched the Lindsay Davis video about her experience with the false teaching from the school at Bethel. I'm a worship leader and I've had a hard time finding music that is not self-focused (like so much music from Bethel and Hillsong). I've decided to discontinue using music from Bethel now that I understand their misuse of scripture. God's glory alone, not for us.

[@ruthvansandt9713]

Amen! It’s back to the hymns and psalms for me. :)

[@dlilwon]

I recently had to leave Hillsong. I need to chuck that fake magazine bible i bought

[@dieselcowboy777]

This guy doesn't believe or recognize that the holy ghost restored the truth today..... He believes that all truths have continued since the fathers fell asleep...and keeps pointing you to believe the same false teachings they have been preaching for centuries.... He hasn't recognized anything the holy ghost has done in our day

[@Marlaina]

@@dieselcowboy777 So you’re claiming new revelations?

[@dieselcowboy777]

@@Marlaina the bible said the holy ghost will lead and guide you into all truths and show you things to come.... Yes...God always gives you new manna or new revelation

[@sweet7precious]

This is my 3 time watching had to make sure my husband heard it too. Love the work you guys are doing.

[@Matt-cj5us]

Before Christ, lived in fear, did whatever I could to feel accepted, believed there was always something I didn't have that kept me from happiness. Now, abundant life, progressively free from these ideas.

[@HagerVids]

wow mike this was great. thank you. crazy. i questioned all these verses and asked god to show me the truth...and he did. how awesome. thank you both

[@pauoel]

I looove how you always take these extreme opinions and bring them into a happy medium. You don't just bounce into the other extreme to distance yourself from wrong beliefs and this makes watching your teachings so worthwhile.

[@htebazileeilsel2293]

Mike and Melissa, your content has blessed me SO MUCH. I was raised "Catholic" and am an ex New Ager so I was very confused for a long time..received Christ at 23(Im 33 now) but didnt understand what that meant, didnt start really studying Scripture intensely until a few years ago. I prayed and yearned for SO LONG for understanding. So, end of last year I felt God whisper to my heart "If you want to understand my Word, read the whole thing front to back" that was like March or February 2019, and Ive become addicted to reading His Word and Ive learned SO MUCH (Im currently in 1 Corinthians). Anyway, you guys a few weeks ago and I am refreshed and encouraged by you guys, and your passion for Scripture and your knowledge. You definitely have a gift of teaching. You've taught me so much. Ive been binging Mikes videos . Keep up the good work, guys.

[@teisamanukiasalesi3878]

Yesss love it. I feel and hear you, my journey has been similar. Bible reading and bible believing now, unlearning word of faith and prosperity gospel.

[@rahuldsouza2855]

One of the best teaching I have heard this year. Thanks Mike for unpacking these verses biblically. I pray this video helps millions in the years to come. Please

[@jeanette4real]

I am so happy I was led to your channel Mr. Winger you have confirmed much of what the Holy Spirit has been teaching me over the last five years. I knew back in 2008 about many teachings in error in the body of Christ. I always challenged many seasoned saints regarding all of the Scriptures you all covered. I hope there will be a part two. You are a very humble loving teacher which is rare these days.

[@SilasRaven]

If it takes the same faith to be healed as it does to be saved, then if someone does not receive their healing, they have no assurance of their salvation.

[@cbtam4333]

Exactly. It’s like they never thought of that. Doesn’t that position implicitly suggest that if you don’t have enough faith to be healed, then you must not have enough faith to be saved? It undermines the whole gospel message. Is that what Jesus said to people who came to him for healing because they couldn’t heal themselves? Doctrines of men.

[@philiphoule7170]

Thank you for doing this video! The most profound truth I've ever perceived is that God IS love and God IS good regardless of the circumstances I find myself in. He does not change. I can trust Jesus no matter what. The satanic motivation that underlies new age and word faith teaching is to appeal to human pride which seeks it's own glory rather than the glory of God. Please do more of these videos.

[@jumperstartful]

Absolutly great. This is why I love YT. this has answered so many questions and taught me how to get my eyes off myself and onto the word and the Lord for the wisdom I need to live for the Lord. I am very blessed by this YT, thank you Mike and Melissa.

[@harrydelamarter3172]

Amen guys, I came across these three words from Daniel concerning Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego. Daniel 3:18 BUT IF NOT......They told the Kimg that their God can save them out of his hand and from the furnace. But if not, they still will not bow down. People expect to have their prayers answered according to their wants and if not, something is wrong in the relationship they have with the Father etc. thank you for your ministry.

[@nicholeshandcraftedlife9270]

One of my favorite passages!! Also, Habakkuk 3:17&18. God is mindful of us and our needs, He can provide for our needs, but even if all we get is eternity with Him, wow what a blessing that is!

[@t-lilyshock9531]

Man. I’m an atheist skeptic, but I was raised independent fundamentalist baptist. I may not believe, but I appreciate your intellectual honesty. When I was becoming skeptical of my own beliefs, I fell prey to the word of faith movement, and experienced the harm it can cause first hand. Thanks for being honest.

[@ToOpen6seven]

Tara Modrell Jesus Christ loves you and wants you to come to know Him in a true way.

[@jazminedean7679]

This video needs 100million views!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯 so much scripture I literally have to rewatch and takes notes. #NewSubscriber

[@JB---]

This was great! Thank you so much, Mike and Melissa! God bless you for sharing the truth from God's word, explained with patience and godly wisdom and humility!

[@brianmichaelcessna4393]

This was absolutely wonderful and brings so much liberty from the bondages of false doctrines and teachings. Thank you both so much. I am sharing this to many people!

[@arliegage1380]

As a Believer, im often disappointed and even discouraged when im having to WAIT on God to help my circumstances....ALL things are in His Timing not ours, His Will MUST be done, nt mine!

[@Maman_poule]

Yes Melissa is spot on! This is what I was taught IN CHURCH and through teachers I would listen to. Thank you for speaking truth.

[@petermacinnes5679]

As for healing we do have scriptures that point to healing following believers. I would encourage those to pray, trust in God's word, persist in prayer. Lack of healing is not a sign of lack of faith. Simply stand, believe and rely on God until the healing comes.

[@shawnkovac1042]

Peter what you shared can be taken two ways. one is correct and one is incorrect. English can so easily be ambiguous. so i want to clarify. you state that 'lack of healing is not a sign of lack of faith'. this could be taken either as: 1: lack of healing is never a sign of lack of faith, and 2: lack of healing is not necessarily a sign of lack of faith. If you mean #2, then i believe you are completely correct. if you mean #1, then i refer you to when Jesus could not heal in His hometown because of their unbelief. their lack of faith *did* prevent their healing. But there are some people who run with this and try to say that this is the only reason that we are not healed. and we need to resist this extreme and say, 'woah: slow down. there are other reasons that prevent healing too. like the new and old testament *both* give us examples of when God used sickness (and worse consequences) upon His people or other people due to the people's disobedience. In Deut 28, God explains that He brought sickness and far worse consequences upon His people due to their disobedience. He warned us first then we got what we deserved. Then He still had a plan to later save us from our sins *if* we repent and turn to Him. In Rev 2:22, God uses sickness again as a punishment for disobedience. in this case, it is people who have turned from Him in disobedience, and it seems like a last effort to cause them to repent again.

[@merrittascott3323]

The sickness in old testament ppl wasn't for punishment, rather to wake them up to how far from God they are and gone into rebellion. With this in mind we have learned through Paul that God is always concerned about our character and our having Eternal life. For God always wanted none to perish tho He couldn't let the guilty go free.

[@merrittascott3323]

@@shawnkovac1042 I didn't read your last sentence because you do know that God is desiring repentance. So I stand to correct myself for thinking you was saying sickness is always punishment for sin. May God continue bringing you godly wisdom, insight ,knowledge and understanding.

[@carlosandrescifuentesandre3674]

Thank you so much for doing this video. I was raised as a child exposed to this type of unbalanced unbiblical teaching.

[@merrittascott3323]

It is a real blessing to have Utube when we can have ministers who rightly divide the Word of Truth. I'm 76 and enjoying learning the scriptures with greater insight and understanding.

[@pegr5524]

Thank you, Mike. Recently a friend of mine introduced me to the teachings of Bob Proctor and for a period of time, I listened because he was referencing the Bible, using scripture to support his teachings on the Law of Attraction. I have seen examples of it working so I was curious. Slowly I began to have an uneasiness in my spirit about it. They would promote the writings of men such as Napoleon Hill as though they are scripture, calling “Think and Grow Rich” their “other Bible” and encouraging people to read it every day. There just were so many red flags, sirens and warnings. I threw out all of my books, aI had spent a ridiculous amount of money on these books and “courses”. I only need Jesus. I only need to seek Jesus. He loves me like no one else. I don’t need to go anywhere else. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[@merlestutzman1213]

This has been a great help to me. There is so much false teaching today. I have been praying God reveal the truth of your word to me., wow! Thank you so much. What and awesome God, that loves and cares for us. Please keep up getting the truth out.

[@jennysims1910]

I pray frequently that God help me never to be deceived

[@jamestruett2694]

This is still a false teachings. Faith without works is dead.

[@brittanynicole9318]

I love you Mike! You have such a great understanding, and it is much appreciated! Thank you!

[@tonyaknight2239]

Wow! This was great. I took pages of notes. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this!

[@raquelbrookelinder2715]

This has been so helpful. My husband has been on a ventilator due to covid for over a month now. Naturally, when you start looking up passages on healing you get bombarded with preachers that I never felt comfortable with. It is almost as if people are afraid to preach and teach against it without sounding angry and hateful.

[@josh4fun668]

I had back pain for about 3 years and was upset that God wouldn't take it away. One day for youth group, we were teaching the students about the power of prayer. The pastor told the students to find a leader and pray for them. Some students prayed for me using simple words, "if there is anything bothering him, I ask you to help him." (I don't remember the exact words but it was like that) My back pain was gone and hasn't been back since. This happened years ago.

[@josh4fun668]

Basically, God waited to heal me to demonstrate his authority to 2 high school knuckleheads.

[@havesomethingtosay5500]

This was great! I didn't know alot about the New Ade or word of faith movements before, but this was so enlightening! May God bless you both in your ministry 🙏

[@lisaroberts9613]

Really loved loved this video. Melissa, you and Mike really broke down these wacko beliefs and disputed them using God’s word. It is amazing. Thank you both.😇💙😇

[@olgaburgos7780]

With New Age all is getting,becoming little gods, me, me ,me. A Jesus with and Plus for me, I, me.

[@brittychiky]

Coming from being raised in a New Age church I am following Melissa for sure. I want to learn more! Thank you guys for this!

[@OIE82]

Thank God for unanswered prayers.

[@raw1427]

I’m praying for you, and your ministry, Melissa. I love my Lord and savior, Jesus, the Messiah! I live with chronic pain. I bless and thank my dear God daily. He’s allowed my situation and blessed me with incredible strength to bear the burden and to praise Him, all the while. After years of pain and sorrow-countless prayers for deliverance, I came to believe that my situation is a blessing. It brings me closswe with my beloved savior

[@raw1427]

Thank you so much for the truth you bring before thi

[@raw1427]

People of God! You expose falsehood and we, the people of faith and truth, need you!

[@loveisneverasin9092]

Jesus bore our Sickness and Carried our Pains ...Isaiah 53:4 . You don't have to bear them , too. That would be like trying to carry your Sins yourself...that is also robbing Jesus of his efforts : we aren't to carry either one : Sickness or Sins in our Body.

[@esauponce9759]

Make a part 2, please! This is gold. 🙌

[@sarahfaith316]

Excellent, edifying, and God honoring discussion.

[@kriskoho1740]

Hey Mike, thx so much for putting this video up! I just recently was about to get involved with a WOF/NAR movement with new age beliefs and thank God my spirit did not feel comfortable. I learned the scriptures as a young girl years ago and not only was my spirit "grieving" with uncomfortableness and the lack of truth, but I kept questioning their interpretation of the Word (what little was used) and their focus on experiential faith among other things. As a result, I began searching the scriptures daily, seeking God's wisdom and direction while watching yours and others' videos for the truth. I have been seeking clarification for and correct interpretation of the verses Melissa brought to u today and I'm so grateful u took the time to do this! I finally got an answer to all my questions about the mis-use of these scriptures. So, even though I was briefly deceived by the "fluffy" New Age gospel that's being promoted so fervently right now, praise God I am back on track with the true gospel of the Bible and it's proper interpretation. It's easy to be deceived, even if u know your Bible bc of how they twist the verses to accommodate their beliefs. Anyway, thx again. Keep up the great work!

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

"If it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived". We can almost stray off the path, but the Holy Spirit really does lead and guide us to all truth. When people are ensnared in this for years like Doreen Virtue and Melissa, God just uses it for his good, because they are far more armed w/ knowledge to teach others from their own bitter experience.

[@smartblonde82]

Struggle with this at our church the books the teachers. The fundamental view of Christ is they claim potential equality with Christ in power and word. It is so hard to believe that "Jesus" is their Lord of their life when the teaching diminishes His relationship to us as our Creator.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@smartblonde82 They claim equality w/ Jesus in power, I think I understand that (but don't agree w/ it, of course) In word though, I'm not sure I understand that?

[@smartblonde82]

@@saintejeannedarc9460 speaking and creating through words speaking it into exsistance.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@smartblonde82 Ok. Sounds like you need to get out of that church, they are in serious error and aren't really preaching the gospel, but new age instead.

[@shelbyredmann1465]

Wow, that last thing you said about being transformed by the renewing of your mind.... I always wondered, "so when is this gonna happen, when are making the right choices going to get easier" but how you explained that choosing to be obedient to God was what caused the change is us... That makes so much sense and encourages me so much to make better choices.

[@ToOpen6seven]

Shelby Redmann Amen 🙏

[@ruthvansandt9713]

WOW yes. Opposite of Joseph Prince and false grace messages. Order is: 1. Believe and repent, 2. OBEY, 3. Mind is changed, being confirmed to Christ

[@arisenshine8873]

Wow, who needs to go into the new age movement to be new age, just join the modern "Christian" church. Many of these beliefs have found their way into the church today. Doing a heart check really is important. It's sad that many are intentionally deceiving; their end won't be well. Do they really think God doesn't see all? Excellent message, thank you.

[@AbigaelMuthoka]

I have learned so much from this, and I have realized how important it is to understand the context of a verse before interprating it. I really hope there will be a part two of this. The lights definitely went off!!!!

[@arnnetteanthony738]

Jesus is more than enough even without me walking in my healing or certain thorn in my flesh removed. Jesus name I still be glorified. God gives His mercy to whom He chooses and His plans is always better.

[@merrittascott3323]

Love your trust in our Almighty God.

[@hayyyitstay]

Super late response from when this video was originally posted, but thank you both SO MUCH for clarifying these scriptures!! Helped a bunch! Please keep doing what you’ve been called ❤️ God bless!

[@craigtaylor115]

That’s great mate he healed me from being a paraplegic but I still got lots of things that I go through in life because of being a paraplegic which keep me humble

[@lolaparra9389]

We have to surrender to God's will, whether we receive or not.Because he knows our real needs and what at the long run could hurt us.

[@Niki-mo1wf]

I really enjoy Melissa's content...I really enjoyed the video you guys did. Thank you so much! Now I'm watching this video for exactly what you said Mike, for training. So thank you again Mike and Melissa for what you both are doing in tackling this subject. It's such a huge help! God Bless 🙏🙏

[@bayareamountainbiker]

You can't serve 2 masters. Either you serve materialism and believe in law of attraction (wishful thinking stuff) or you serve God and carry your own cross.

[@tyclosesloans]

ryan jacobo amen

[@andrewcreek3846]

Spot on.

[@daboodeef179]

Job said that which he feared has come upon him. Bible also says that we reap what we sow. but new agers twist spiritual teachings.

[@danielthielmann3222]

Just listened to this discussion, you two. What a symphony!!! Seriously made me joyful! I don't have much to do with this movement personally but some around me, so thought to check it out and I found this to be extremely encouraging, because so much of scripture is explained (often parts I didn't understand). And all the correlations... so helpful! And I love how passionate you talk about God's truths, Mike! Quite a few "aha" moments also. Truly a (spiritual) symphony! Doing extremely valuable work there, Mike, thanks a lot. I also love your respectful way in all. May God bless your work with many views ) - so that we stick with the truth!

[@lesthrush468]

Really great exposition of some scripures that are commonly used by the word of faith movement. The one scripture that absolutely cans it for me is Lamentations 3:37 "Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it?"

[@bessiesiamas1225]

It is wonderful to see, by the comments below, that God has saved many through the content that Melissa and Mike are sharing, I am edified each day by listening to their inspired teaching. God bless you all!

[@carolinatoledo5255]

This is really good! As a former new ager, thank you!