How Nietzsche Accidentally Discovered Dostoevsky

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@WeltgeistYT 8 ай бұрын

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@sireggnog890 8 ай бұрын

Hypocrite

@Fronzel41 8 ай бұрын

1887 "The year is eighteen seventy-eight" Philosophy is mysterious.

@AD-zu8uc 8 ай бұрын

Hahahaha

@jimc.goodfellas 8 ай бұрын

Never get tired of hearing about these two

@liltick102 8 ай бұрын

True

@mnemonicpie 8 ай бұрын

Dostoevsky may not have known Nietzsche, but he had a friend, named Soloviev, who lectured on Schopenhauer in Russia...

@uncleusuh 8 ай бұрын

And your point is?

@mnemonicpie 8 ай бұрын

@@uncleusuh trying to explain the genesis of similar ideas

@uncleusuh 8 ай бұрын

@@mnemonicpie Is Nietzsche and Schopenhauer comparable?

@mnemonicpie 8 ай бұрын

@@uncleusuh of course. But I think the right question here should be: "was Nietzsche influenced by Schopenhauer?". And the answer is yes. Dostoevsky's stance on suffering as an ineliminable part of human existence is literally what Schopenhauer wrote. I'm sure there're many more similar cases.

@uncleusuh 8 ай бұрын

@@mnemonicpie The real right question is, what is Dostoevsky's most important stance and solution to the problem of suffering and what do Schopenhauer and Nietzsche offer to the table and are there in anyway similar in terms of solution?

@MrSkypelessons 8 ай бұрын

Even though we have no evidence that Nietzsche read Crime and Punishment, Raskolnikov's dream in which he feels pity for the suffering horse reminds me of the story of Nietzsche's breakdown - perhaps he had read it? I find the dream really powerful and interesting, as I had a similar dream, about suffering animals, that involved an extremely powerful ferling of pity. I remember Niezsche claimed pity was a negative emotion. How do you think Dostoevsky's understanding of pity differs from Nietzsche's? Thanks for the video.

@christopherhamilton3621 8 ай бұрын

There are some who believe the horse incident is pure fabrication. I’m inclined to believe it was made up but I haven’t yet found a definitive source for this claim.

@sujitbidari217 8 ай бұрын

Not only in Raskolnikov's Dream, but in 35th Chapter of The Brother Karmazov, where Ivan tells Alyosha the story of A peasant lashing on the eyes of a horse.

@MrSkypelessons 8 ай бұрын

@@sujitbidari217 I'd forgotten that! It's been a long time (decades) since I read Karamazov. I read Crime and Punishment two months ago, so that story was fresh in my mind. Perhaps I need to re-read it.

@Harrow_ 8 ай бұрын

You think Nietzsche described his own breakdown to other people? Even if he had read Crime and Punishment, how and why would Nietzsche himself, a mental institute patient after 1889, talk about his own mental breakdown, and further more, parallel it with the horse incident from Dostoyevsky’s book? Nietzsche wasn’t functional after the breakdown and with every year passing, he became more and more catatonic. Simply no way a man in that state could talk about his own fall into madness with parallels to another person’s book.

@MrSkypelessons 8 ай бұрын

@@Harrow_ Maybe Nietzsche's horse breakdown didn't happen. I am in no position to judge on that

@petrroubal6711 8 ай бұрын

I heard (maybe from this very channel) that Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky could have hypothetically met, in Nice I think. They wouldn't know who they are talking to, but it is interesting to imagine two giants of the 19th century, having a little chat in a french café, oblivious of each other's identity.

@franzwilde89 8 ай бұрын

Fascinating video! Thanks for this one. Would like to see more on Nietzsche-Dostoyevsky connections

@più_lento_28_13 8 ай бұрын

if a botched translation of NFTU had this much of an impact on Nietzsche, imagine what the current ones would’ve done

@alexmir1763 8 ай бұрын

Fascinating! I had no idea about the huge translation issues.

@aounsliman2911 8 ай бұрын

I thought that Nietzsche read crime and punishment and the horse incident that caused his breakdown was related to Raskolnikov dream about torturing a horse. But i am not sure.

@MrSkypelessons 8 ай бұрын

Yes, I have thought something similar. Could be jist a coincidence, I suppose

@christopherhamilton3621 8 ай бұрын

I watched a video recently which claims the horse incident was made up. Needs investigation.

@ideologybot4592 6 ай бұрын

@@christopherhamilton3621 there was never any evidence the horse incident happened, and you can't prove a negative.

@NaveenKumar-xs5ie 8 ай бұрын

1:51 1878 or 1887?

@gracefitzgerald2227 8 ай бұрын

Great transition to your ad. Congratulations on all your success. Your voice is always calming. I can’t imagine not reading Notes of the Underground. Loved it when I read it.❤

@sharkeyhaddad2476 8 ай бұрын

Well done and thank you

@aliensensum8663 28 күн бұрын

Wouldn’t it be an irony of ironies if, had Nietzsche read a proper translation, his view would not have been as complimentary?

@Sameone666 8 ай бұрын

Great job! Thank you!

@Williamaster369 8 ай бұрын

It would be great if you could recommend some modern psychologists who were influenced by Nietzsche and Dostoevsky!

@kullekusk8136 7 ай бұрын

Freud/Jung

@Williamaster369 7 ай бұрын

Though they are excellent, it would be better if they were more "contemporary" and had a deeper understanding of Nietzsche.

@NatnaelAfeworky 4 ай бұрын

Jordan Peterson

@faranov1 4 ай бұрын

Please stop blaming the translator alone. What about the publisher? There also must've been an editor. A translator myself, I know we never have that much freedom.

@Brousey 8 ай бұрын

What are the odds you and aperture release a Nietzche video at the same time

@johnmanole4779 8 ай бұрын

Poor Nietzsche, he keeps getting the wrong translations of the books he buys and reads 😂

@joeeeee8738 8 ай бұрын

Funny to hear this video after last video about Nietzsche ("Dont argue. Command"). The writer did it BECAUSE HE COULD. Thus, ruining a book and partially invalidating Nietzsche's opinion about Socrates (my opinion)

@oshenfranco496 8 ай бұрын

I would highly appreciate a full analysis of Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

@laelfoo2285 6 ай бұрын

It’s funny how you reference reading Dostoevsky through Nietzsche eyes, I was just discovering and enjoying Nietzsche philosophy when I read crime and punishment allowing me to coincidentally read it with Nietzsche‘n eyes

@Ochin-x1x 3 ай бұрын

What was the book that introducef nietzche to schopenhauer?

@1dw1 8 ай бұрын

Great video

@jithinjose8065 6 ай бұрын

Destyosky was just depicting the purpose of art. And the same reason why im here wandering towards nietzche. I think it's all make sense.

@ThomasTrumbly 6 ай бұрын

So what you telling me is this is the earliest localization before anime?

@TheWay-u1n 8 ай бұрын

Like Buddha he should have learned from the slaves before going insane.. Resentment is blinding to half of reality.. hence why slaves learn to forgive in obtaining the One

@unknowninfinium4353 7 ай бұрын

Why should the master of slaves be subjected to morality? Or be considered "Bad"?

@TheWay-u1n 7 ай бұрын

@@unknowninfinium4353 You could ask your master that before being beaten for suggesting said master has an irrational fear of darkness

@unknowninfinium4353 7 ай бұрын

@@TheWay-u1n I didnt get you. Care to try again. Dont worry I am patient with slaves.

@parheliaa 8 ай бұрын

8:20 Exactly as nowadays the adaptations of the books are done unfortunately

@LionelBercovich 4 ай бұрын

Constructive criticism: You are saying the same thing many times, most of the time you are repeating the translation horrors made to the book

@jithinjose8065 6 ай бұрын

Actualky the beauty of art is the presense of the devine( a power that irrrationally came to human, like the idea of coincidence) so the thing is, even if nietzche find different to the original idea, it has conceived same. Ot doe st matter.

@mingthan7028 7 ай бұрын

Impossible Nietzchie can't be WRONG He is a genius💀💀

@gwier001 6 ай бұрын

It's not 'Notes from THE underground'. The title of Dostoevsky's book is 'Notes From Underground".

@dpetersen0 Ай бұрын

I've been watching this guy for a very short time. Very quickly, however, I realized he adds words to quotes and misreads stuff sometimes... and English is not his first language. Please shut the fuck up.