How not to train your dragon…

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@moonjg4418 28 күн бұрын

4:46 i think dispite how much we wish audiences would feel unsatisfied with this, they love the "asthetic" i think their enjoyment is much more superficial than being apriciative of expressive animation. They want to have the remake™ vibes they dont really mind seing the same story again or a worse version of the story. Its like the sims 4 gamers they just buy any slop that comes out and love it so i think we just have to accept that people who care about artistic things like animation and storytelling are just a loud minority

@YTBeetle 8 ай бұрын

Hasn’t Dreamworks learned from Disneys mistakes?

@joshuasebsebe1047 8 ай бұрын

Well, they might do the live action remakes better than Disney, and we might get remakes of The Bee Movie monsters vs Aliens and road to el dorado

@Person-wz6iy 8 ай бұрын

It's not Dreamworks, it Universal their parent company who wants to do it.

@joshuasebsebe1047 8 ай бұрын

@Person-wz6iy yeah and they might do live action remakes of dreamworks other films like Road to El dorado Prince of Egypt And Monsters vs Aliens

@ThePrincessCH 5 ай бұрын

@@joshuasebsebe1047 Well, they've done it before with "The Flintstones" in 1994, and it actually managed to replicate the opening from the original cartoon pretty well.

@redheadredemption5203 3 ай бұрын

I mean, if they drew inspiration from extinct stem mammals and reptiles then the designs could get really funky and realistic looking at the same time.

@lucafrankel6819 8 ай бұрын

I just can't imagine the vivid colors, the amazing environments and dragon designs all CGI'd being better than the animation. Any shot from the original cgi'd into love action just wouldn't look nearly as wonderous or captivating. Great video!

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@fire_tower 8 ай бұрын

I can't think of one live action adaptation that i found better than the animated original.

@dharshunanand8369 8 ай бұрын

Jungle Book 2016?

@ThePrincessCH 4 ай бұрын

"Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation" vs. "The Untamed"?

@Thefantastic_mrJ 3 ай бұрын

Disneys Cinderella

@matthiasneidenberger9471 Ай бұрын

I completely forgot “lady and the tramp” had a live action remake.

@dragongirl4110 Ай бұрын

This just feels like the point TAWOG was trying to make when Gumball couldn't finish his own story and kept on saying "OnCe uPoN a TiMe."

@_thomas1031 8 ай бұрын

When the first time you see a film, from purposeful character design, music, theme and visual style...trying to follow up with a live action remake of it will inevitably not be received well. Think about it, if the HTTYD series did so well in animation format, the only reason you would make it live action is if you wanted to ...actually I can't think of a good reason typing this. I'll stick with the original films, hope DreamWorks doesn't attempt doing more of these after this regardless of outcome.

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

Right?? They even have John Powell back to score the live action one as well… Like HOW do you follow up the genius of the animated score? There’s just no way

@FilmScoreandMore 8 ай бұрын

@@mythwest Even John Powell has said he has no idea what he's going to do, despite signing on. He said it will either be the easiest or the hardest job he's ever had.

@Switch2Life Ай бұрын

Universal wanted another How to Train your Dragon, but Dreamworks wasn’t willing to do a 4, because it would ruin the ending. So Live action is the bast way to go if they want to continue the franchise.

@Person-wz6iy 8 ай бұрын

5:55 It isn’t Dreamworks who wants to do this remake, it's Universal, who have kind of been treating Dreamworks like crap in recent days. And about Dreamworks outsourcing a lot of their future movies, I think it might be Universal wanting that, as they want to save money. And I don't really want Dreamworks to outsource their movies, as it makes them seem like cheapskates.

@joshuasebsebe1047 8 ай бұрын

I would like some of dreamworks' films to get live action remakes like Monsters vs. Aliens The Bee Movie road to el dorado and Sinbab legend of the seven seas

@_thomas1031 8 ай бұрын

Also, apologies for jumping gun on my previous comment. Great video addressing this topic, you presented it really well with your questions and making it a sudo part 2 to your previous vid😄🙌

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

Thanks, glad you enjoyed!!

@rylerenoblas8057 8 ай бұрын

I'm not gonna pretend that I believe that the LA is gonna be as rich in story as the original, but imma be honest chief. The creature designs for the dragons are like, 90% the reason I began watching, so as long as the dragons look cool ill be a happy camper (presuming that everything else is okay). But I do agree that the writing and charms are what really pushed the og films from interesting, into being remembered. That being said, I do want to advocate for the devil here. I still think that there's enough material in the original film to salvage an acceptable live action storyline (not that I believe that it's a pattern worth pursuing). As you said, the reason the LA Jungle book worked so well (or perhaps it's better to say, sucked the least) was because they shifted the tone to be more dramatic rather than the musical that the original animation went for. The best examples would be the scene of the snake, who's name eludes me, hypnotizing Mowgli, and the scene where Shao Khan kills one of the wolves. It also helps that the Jungle book is a fantasy story, which allows the creative freedom to make interesting creative decisions, such as making the animals so much larger than Mowgli, turning the snake from a comic relief secondary antagonist into some kind of snake god, and making the Orangutang king into a massive gigantopithicus (who's name also escapes me). This makes it leagues more visually and creatively interesting than the lion king, whose characters are supposed to be normal animals. I'd also believe that it works better than Beauty and the Beast because on top of the furniture being inherently less expressive, it kinda just looks like they're being moved around by magic instead of their own volition, especially in some of the musical scenes. On the topic of expressiveness, it helps that dragons aren't, y'know, real animals, so real animal rules needn't apply so hard (a la the Hobbit's Smaug). And even then, the dragons don't even need to have all that much facial expressions to be charming. What they lack in lips and eyebrows they can make up for in spines, tails, and wings. Stormfly pecks at her spines and flutters her wings like a parrot, and Meatlugs general movement is reminiscent of a pug. A significant amount of Toothless' attitude comes from his pupils alone. Admittedly, I don't think there's too much they can add to the story, so I think the live action lives and dies on its dragons. Sorry for the essay I just needed to get my thoughts down

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

Hey don’t apologize those are some great insights! It’s at least encouraging that the original director has been outspoken before about his distaste for live action remakes, so hopefully that will mean something for this adaptation

@QuatarTarandir 8 ай бұрын

Honestly I'm just interested to see WHAT they'll do with the dragons. There was that play version of HTTYD and Toothless was definitely....unique. I wonder if they'll go the same route or something different

@rylerenoblas8057 8 ай бұрын

@@QuatarTarandir it was kinda sick in its own way, no?

@Yvon- 8 ай бұрын

Love your content!

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@Roarrior. 3 ай бұрын

I wonder why they're release the live action HTTYD in 2025. It's being released the same year and season as the live action Lilo & Stitch.

@FilmScoreandMore 8 ай бұрын

Great work on this! You make a lot of strong points about the strengths of each medium and comparisons with the abundant live action remakes in recent years. And my thoughts exactly. What is the point of the movie? Every time I think about it I just feel like they're trapped in whatever they do. It's too soon, and many will be unhappy whether it's a shot-for-shot remake or if they make changes. Either it's the same thing or they're changing something beloved and expecting praise for it. The animated movies aimed for realistic textures and lighting that sets them apart from other animated movies without becoming uncanny, so what's the point of filming it in live action now? How will they balance the real and fantastical without animation's strengths as a medium? Again, great work! You presented a really strong case in both the writing and editing.

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

Thanks glad you enjoyed! Yeah it’s hard to think of a way out, although the book it’s based on I’m told is vastly different, so maybe there’s room for a different take? Idk but we’ll see!

@FilmScoreandMore 8 ай бұрын

@@mythwest I've thought of that too. But I hear book fans are unhappy they're going farther from any adaptation of the books since this is clearly a remake of the movies (with changes).

@BenMeyer24 8 ай бұрын

I would have immediately said no to this movie if the director/writer of the original trilogy didn't come back. He even called out Disney's approach to their remakes in the past, so here's hoping he pulls it off.

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

In my research I saw his quotes about the Disney remakes, so it’s at least encouraging he knows what makes for a derivative remake, so he can hopefully avoid it!

@Theriople 5 ай бұрын

they should bring back the other director that wrote the first movie with dean tbh

@SIMBA-tq2ch 8 ай бұрын

Here's the thing they are remaking tangled.

@ThePrincessCH 5 ай бұрын

I think a fan started that rumor.

@CrocoCraze 28 күн бұрын

The adaptation looks ugly af. They made toothless look slimy and completely ruined hiccup. Go back go back

@QuatarTarandir 8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately there are people who automatically think something being animation and not live action makes it worse, which I kinda think these remakes are for. It's all and fine for people to enjoy what they enjoy, but like you said, some things aren't meant for live action. I guess we'll see how this one ends up

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

Yeah there’s definitely a sort of low key prejudice against animation, that it’s not “real cinema” or art. And yet, animation can do way more than live action can technically

@ammarelbahy5432 4 ай бұрын

Even if they did the 4th movie they will earn way better

@mythwest 4 ай бұрын

For sure. They wrapped it up so nicely with the third, they could have a lot of potential on the fourth if they did like a prequel, maybe an ancestor who discovered the friendliness of dragons. Live Action just kinda seems random

@ammarelbahy5432 4 ай бұрын

Yea second thing they are crushing our childhood like this or even ruining the franchise

@joshuasebsebe1047 8 ай бұрын

Road to El dorado should get a live action remake

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

I’ve heard that one is quite the early 2000’s hidden gem. People also endlessly petition for Disney to get treasure Planet and Atlantis made in live action, you’d think Disney would listen

@joshuasebsebe1047 8 ай бұрын

@mythwest I think so and I should call NBC universal to do a live action Road to el dorado after the live action httyd

@Jan12700 8 ай бұрын

But How to Train Your Dragon is a Book. So this would than be not a Animation to a Live Action Situation, but more a Book to Movie Situation. They will probably do a Book Adaption, because the whole situation with the Dragons was a very different in the Books.

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

Tonally how were the books? I heard there was a book but I haven’t read it. Was it more of a children’s book or geared towards middle grade or older?

@FilmScoreandMore 8 ай бұрын

And this seems to be remake of the movies plus changes. Maybe they'll incorporate some book elements, but we know for sure they're doing the movie version of Toothless, Astrid is in it while she's not in the books, etc.

@christopherpear-m4h 8 ай бұрын

@@mythwest the books are for kids-preteens, especially the first few which are very short. but there are 13 books total, and the latter half get into some heavier topics about genocide and slavery and are definitely not entirely childish. The first httyd movie is a loose retelling of the first book, with a similar final battle. my only hope for the live action is that they borrow more from the story first book to change it up enough to make the plot interesting and not just a replica, as I enjoy both the books and movie trilogy even though they're entirely different stories at this point

@ThePrincessCH 5 ай бұрын

I think "Rescue Riders" was closer to the books than the movies, mostly just because of the kids talking dragon language.

@Hudfilmsproductions 3 ай бұрын

To answer your question: $

@Lord_Baphomet_ 8 ай бұрын

This has never worked… ever… there is just so much you can do with animation and still make it believable

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

I’m really starting to sink my mind into Brad Bird’s quote “animation can do anything”

@ThePrincessCH 5 ай бұрын

Universal actually did a pretty good job capturing the cartoony nature of "The Flintstones" live action film in 1994, they even managed to recreate the iconic intro and outro.

@Mabra51 Ай бұрын

This downgrade really isn't necessary.

@mythwest Ай бұрын

Right? It's as though people see animation as some kind of secondary sub artform and live action is its true realization. Dumb

@americanbard1721 8 ай бұрын

Hey, the jokes were funny, but the timing was slightly off. I don't really know how to explain it other than that. Also, you are way nicer to Disney's live action remakes than I would be.

@wesleymyers589 8 ай бұрын

Its already toothless, why not make it lifeless too?

@quannguyenminh4182 7 ай бұрын

don't change toothless to a monster or demon pls

@martinroberge8988 6 ай бұрын

what they mean by "making it its own thing" is likely going to be some cheap race swap.

@GodOfBeans 7 ай бұрын

Bro look at sonic the hedgehog

@dharshunanand8369 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I mean didn't they already made a perfect trilogy, why another take?

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

Right? Outside of money, there’s no plausible reason

@arourallis 8 ай бұрын

Considering this is helmed by only _one_ of the original directors, who has _no_ proven history with live action films, and burned this entire franchise down the last time he had sole control... Its basically a guaranteed disaster.

@mythwest 8 ай бұрын

Wait interesting so did they give him sole control on the third installment? I felt that was the weakest link of the trilogy for sure

@andrewmaysees7579 8 ай бұрын

He had sole control on the second one too... it's definitely not a "guaranteed" disaster

@arourallis 8 ай бұрын

@@andrewmaysees7579 Sort of. Chris Sanders still had some creative input in 2 as an Executive Director, and he did do some work on the script before he had to step away to direct The Croods. Sanders did nothing at all for The Hidden World, so its notable that the less Sanders is involved, the worse the films got.

@ThePrincessCH 4 ай бұрын

How much experience with live action did the other director have?

@arourallis 4 ай бұрын

@@ThePrincessCH Chris Sanders has _far_ more experience as a director in general, and one complete live-action film under his belt (Call of the Wild). Meanwhile, the two films DuBlois had previously been set to direct (Micronauts, Treasure Island) are functionally dead in the water, and the only films he's ever been the primary director for are HTTYD 2/3, and now the remake.