How Obito Fumbled the War

[@hobbyhorse5848]

Yall know Obito didn’t have to tell everyone at the summit Coulda just jumped the world

[@716_ハディくん]

unfortunately kishimoto not used to that kind of writing yet real life villain will never announce their plan, look at pearl harbor japan war declaration literally happened after they already destroyed pearl harbour that's sleek from admiral yamamoto

[@justinarzola4584]

Maybe he wanted more of a challege?.

[@ronnster8000]

​@@justinarzola4584I think it was more Obito being cocky than anything

[@716_ハディくん]

​@@ronnster8000more like kishimoto clearly he is the one who wrote obito character

[@dean9261]

​@@716_ハディくんthe Japanese attacked pearl harbor because the US stopped selling them oil. They wanted to buy 6 months to hopefully build up enough defense that the US wouldn't attack them. The US could decrypt the japs communications within 24 hrs and knew they were coming. That's why no big targets were there.

[@AIRWAY26]

Obito didn't want to win, he wanted everyone else to lose

[@Eliras24]

Ye, he wanted just to mess and create chaos and destruction. None in their even twist mind would actually work to that goal Madara set up

[@virtualbunksie5117]

He just wanted everyone to feel his pain. Go out with everyone.

[@machina5]

We in the field call that winning

[@申月営無営月無営有申]

Trash

[@MG-zx3px]

"I have this ability that lets me travel across insane distances in no time which also lets me teleport people in an instant with speed on par with MINATO and it still took me a decade to get the juubi."

[@716_ハディくん]

kishimoto didn't allowed obuto to succeed earlier

[@Black_Guy]

You can't be surprised that the man who becomes intangible fumbled the bag. It just slipped through his hands.

[@___________0Z0X]

Underrated comment lol.

[@trollharder102]

ba dum tss 😂

[@ZangetsuGetsuga7]

And that is the prove that Obito lost Half of his Brain under that Rock 😭

[@shironeko1843]

So true 😂

[@Crimson19977]

Nah don't do my man's like that

[@ragequitgaming2795]

Now go over how he fumbled the nine-tales attack.

[@kodoqbesar4301]

To be fair for Obito, he legit made Naruto almost give up twice. Thanks to Hinata and Sasuke for snapping him out of it

[@n.6847]

Obito could have made not just Naruto but the entire shinobi alliance lose the will to fight by Kamuing to the undefended 5 villages (we know ALL the strong shinobi from all of em were at the battlefield) and massacring the civilians either himself or with white zetsus. and sit back and wait for the news to reach the shinobi at the war front. instant demoralization and chaos with minimum effort Plus he can order the white zetsus to transform into the dead villagers for an extra surprise when the shinobi breakes rank and runs back to their villages in despair after hearing the news.. DESPAIR is the theme of this battle plan lol

[@mininggypsy499]

@@n.6847he didn’t want to kill the world lol he would be a completely different person to do that. The uchiha massacre isn’t even comparable to that because there was reason.

[@n.6847]

The five villages are a tiny part of the Naruto world. But i agree with u. he (probably) wouldnt do that in character. As for a reason to do it, he had it. To make the shinobi at the battlefront give up fighting, to demoralize them, to make them despair, to make them flee the battlefield to check on their loved ones.. so many reasons.. but, once again, he probably wont do something like that in character. it just would be more fun if he did

[@Chris_lJohnson]

​@@n.6847 he can't kamui a whole village...

[@716_ハディくん]

instead of blaming character it's clearly kishi the one who fumble this arc fictional characters can't decide their own action unlike real human

[@kodoqbesar4301]

Obito criticising Konan for falling to Naruto's Talk no Jutsu and ended up also falling to Talk no Jutsu is Obito's biggest L imo

[@716_ハディくん]

poor kishimoto if only he allowed to be more adult and gore with his manga should write seinen instead

[@nirjhar4803]

​@@716_ハディくん The editors didnt force him to redeem Obito, he did that himself... Y'all need to stop blaming everything on the higher-ups and hold Kishimoto accountable.

[@Josephextreme]

If anything, kakash And Minato should have talked Obito out of it. As a family ​@@nirjhar4803

[@716_ハディくん]

i blame both sides ​@@nirjhar4803 everyone needs to be held accountable

[@yamamotogotbodied1606]

Bro lowkey created it lmao. First talk no jutsu victim is Kakashi

[@whoizray_]

obito knew he had the most broken ability and just wanted to give everyone a chance

[@Crimson19977]

That's what I'm saying. If he could do this much with just 1 kamui, imagine him having 2. Nah, it did be over for the whole verse

[@MZOver]

He blew the 3-0 lead

[@716_ハディくん]

only nba club fumble that hard soccer couldn't relate

[@christopherfleetwood5252]

7-2 😂

[@Crimson19977]

Lowkey me in cs

[@grimreaper15]

He was studying Naruto as well because he did see his younger self in him, so he was trying to get him to despair and break like he did when he saw Rin die. Naruto was an anomaly to him, so he was like poking and prodding him so see his reactions, it seems like alittle inner struggle or at least curiousity about how Naruto turned out so much different than him.

[@GODFATHERKYRO]

Obito wanted to break naruto and turn him to darkness before he captured him thats why his behavior is so inconsistent as well as the black zetsu stuff yall mentioned. Obito saw himself in naruto and needed to get him to fall just as he did so he could validate his actions and his dream. As yall said he was trying to confirm if he had made the right choice through naruto so he was holding back the entire time

[@bsaarob7950]

Six actually talked about this. His perspective was that obito is a passivist, so he never maximized his efficiency at work. There were multiple points in the series where Obito had the chance to look for and capture some Biijus, but he chose to sit on Madara's statue and did absolutely nothing.

[@ThunderGodTG]

I 100% agree Obito as a character is much more roundabout and allows other to do what he could be do rather easily

[@716_ハディくん]

​@@ThunderGodTGor kishimoto just didn't know how to write war theme story

[@ronnster8000]

​@@716_ハディくんeven if that is the case it's preferable to also come up with an in universe explanation for a character's actions

[@falzeiy6652]

@@716_ハディくんwhy are you under every comment hating on kishimoto bro 😂

[@emmarod8746]

@@falzeiy6652 Dude is a certified Kisimoto hater! 😂

[@2_loko]

6:02 “Dead as fuck… super dead!”😭😭

[@ThunderGodTG]

😂😂

[@716_ハディくん]

​@@ThunderGodTGkishimoto fumble so hard maybe he should not write samurai 8 instead focusing on expanding naruto lore

[@thmistrapillay1811]

​@@ThunderGodTG Can you do a video of the Zero Tails

[@TLKTME]

​@@thmistrapillay1811bro ive been wanting a vid about the zero tails ever since I seen that movie

[@KicktheSky34]

The parallels between Naruto and Sasuke with himself and Kakashi weren't lost Obito, and I believe his latent desire to still be Hokage contributed to his cognitive dissonance in how he dealt with them. For all his nihilistic talk, a part of him wanted to be a mentor and guardian to the up and coming generation.

[@cattusstroffic1243]

We need a "What if" series for Naruto. That Shippuden movie with Menma was tuff.

[@Nemo12417]

To be fair to Obito, he wasn't planning on Kabuto showing up and telling the entire world where the Akatsuki were. I'm guessing his initial plan was to stay hidden and pull an Invasion of the Body Snatchers plot on the world.

[@100TypeYolt]

Obito absolutely fumbled worse. Kabuto didn’t even start with these ambitions, He kinda picked the war and all that up as a lil side quest 🤣🤣 this war was Obito’s lifelong pursuit, really. He invested so much into this just to fumble the easiest and most crucial moments along the way. Kabuto definitely didn’t min/max his options and strats but he actually had good plays. Some of his plays were hard to execute like wether or not to control the edo’s or let them run autopilot. Itachi absolutely shafted Kabuto too. Koto freeing Itachi was unpredictable and probably not preventable either. Obito went on the crazyiest selling spree that’s ever happened fr Great vid yal! Yal are mad funny fr i Laugh during yals content more than any other creators rn fa sho 😂

[@liebertjohann8524]

Obito didn't want à war at first and I think that's something people really seem to miss, he explained his plan to the kage bc to him the moon plan was really a solution when they refused then he declared war bc anyway he wanted to use the aetsu to distract the kage while he go to take naruto and bee in their hiding. For why he didn't take naruto when he visited him, he already explained his goal at that moment was to know how naruto changed obito mind. Bc he started doubting himself since nagato's change

[@KristopherDorsey-rq8ek]

One thing that never made sense to me is why didn't obito capture naruto after itachi died literally or he could took him when was really young after minatos death or before itachi becomes a threat to him, or he could off also took naruto when he was in his darkest points in his life.

[@lindaperes112]

Gara too

[@swagtothemax235]

Obito had a God complex he felt that he could achieve all his feats effortlessly, which ultimately led to his demise. Can’t forget about Naruto’s Talk No Jutsu as well

[@darrellsimon4462]

The thing with obito teleporting away is that he still has to get the seal removed by someone

[@anthonymartinez9847]

Another great video brodie. Keep up the good work!

[@thaifinnen]

I see it as Obito is the Joker. He just creates chaos for the thrill

[@Crimson19977]

Imo, Obito is more like Jason Todd. They both got betrayed by their comrades and both came back from death, well in Obito's case from near death but still

[@clashsensei8267]

TG I got a couple questions for ya! 1. Are you ever gonna do some Toriko powerscaling? 2. Who would win between metroman and powerpuff girls? 3. Whats the origin of Frog Thor as your logo? We need Frog lore

[@716_ハディくん]

Toriko still relevant in 2024 ? i wish we get brotherhood treatment for the anime final arc should be tweak a bit like kubo bleach tybw

[@clashsensei8267]

​@@716_ハディくん Toriko would actually have a lot of great powerscaling for these other anime like naruto, Bleach, and hunterxhunter (in toriko lower forms). I feel like Toriko is the forgotten Shonen

[@austinbrianbowers]

The one thing that makes obitos actions makes sense to me is the curse seal tag on his heart.

[@austinbrianbowers]

lol nvm y’all got to it 😂

[@jerviasjohnson700]

Obito is the final valley cameraman confirmed.

[@greenyisalive]

I just realized. How the heck are you still only at 25k subs gang you deserve way more than that with your quality of videos

[@ThunderGodTG]

mann we trying out here lmoa but, I appreciate that fam

[@TheLuigiBrother77]

I'd guess the reason Obito let Kabuto go alone to turtle island is because he wanted him to die there

[@Crimson19977]

Lmao facts. Dude was straight up blackmailing him and being annoying while at it too

[@splinkydoodah]

Great video!

[@vishbegamin]

The interactions between Obito and Sasuke was so weird. First Obito gives Sasuke Itachi’s eyes only to just randomly go on with the war. Then the biggest reason why Sasuke even fought Kabuto was in order to follow Itachi and ask questions about the past. Later on they never have any dialogue with each other after the unmasking which is crazy because they’re technically the only remaining Uchihas left in the modern day.

[@liebertjohann8524]

Bc obiyo wanted to use sasuke first, then lost his interest in sasuke once kabuto showed him madara because he had much more preocuccupations now how to deal with madara seal on his heart

[@kleatise52]

@@liebertjohann8524true but that should have felt natural. I always thought it was weird obito and sasuke didn’t have a longer conversation or talk ever again after itachis eyes. Just weird.

[@ZeroFlameX]

@@kleatise52i felt the same way when all the Akatsuki were revived and Deidara didn’t say a single word to tobi

[@helenhomunculus5044]

It gets even weirder when you consider the fact that not only did Obito implicate the Uchiha clan when he took control of Nine tails to attack the village, which led to the clan's coup attempt and their subsequent genocide, but that he also directly took part in it by slaughtering a good majority of the Uchiha's during the massacre. So Obito frames the Uchiha for instigating the Nine tails attack (due to eye-witnesses seeing Kurama controlled by sharingan) and then also directly wiped them out, for what is basically no other reason than for shits and giggles, and because he probably wanted to score some extra sharingans for his eyeball vault. The fact that Obito orchestrated all this, and that Sasuke, a character who's primary motivation is to achieve vengeance for his clans genocide, doesn't actually confront the dude who is directly responsible for his clan getting wiped out, and it just gets completely dropped, without being addressed or brought up again at all, despite him going out of his way to kill Itachi, assassinate Danzo and intend to even go as far as wipe out Konoha. The lack of interaction between them with no resolution to it comes across as really weird, especially with Sasuke's indifference when him and Obito have to work together during the Kaguya fight. Another Kishimoto afterthought I guess.

[@liebertjohann8524]

@@helenhomunculus5044 obito didn't do that for shit and giggles He wanted the uchihas to join his plan, or they could be dangerous to have uchiha against him, that could be a problem for his plan. Then itachi came and is much more valuable to have him in the akatsuki than the others. Second, never liked the uchiha he was the black sheep of the uchihas like kid obito said to minato. 3rd madara wanted revenge against the uchihas for betraying him, he wa splayin madara and also madara probably the one who told him to attack the leaf. He had more than one reason for the uchiha massacre. He also manipulated sasuke and if you read the panel he said the uchiha massacre was an accident he lied many times to sasuke

[@jamihoops7293]

Obito needed to break the seal on his heart so he could be jinchuriki of ten tails, i think thats why he didnt just jump them. Also the war is this ideological crusade against the world for him, its important to him that he demoralizes everybody

[@thmistrapillay1811]

Thumbnails are killing me😂

[@supremelore_1533]

While Kakashi teleporting the 8 tails thanks to naruto's chakra is a massive feat, I think we can assume that Obito can't just teleport the transforming gedo mazo with 7 or more biju inside of it right. i mean he couldn't kamui with it inside of him at least. Then again madara...

[@blackogjesus]

His first mistake was announcing the war he could've went village to village with the zetsu and edo army and destroy everything. And there's not much any village could do against the edo kage, junchirikis, Akatsuki plus obito himself with kamui ECT all at once It would've been the ultimate sneak attack on every village depending on the order he went in. ( For ex attacking the sand village first probably would be a bad idea since gara would immediately alert the leaf since they're allies and he's friends with Naruto)

[@716_ハディくん]

kishimot forget that japan strike pearl harbor first before declaring the war yes there isn't technical mistake but it's still sleek for them to still proceed with plan without confirming the declaration first

[@liebertjohann8524]

But he wanted to propose the plan to the kages first and see their reaction. His plan isn't to not just give à fuck about others. He always tried to prove himself the moon plan wa the solution so he explained them his plan first and they refused so he declared war

[@Done4good-s7w]

Been waiting on this one 🤤

[@jablue4329]

Obito really should've just jumped the Shinobi World. It wasn't needed to tell anyone about the war, as cool as it was.

[@MysticMylesZ]

12:22 Once you pull something like this the enemy is gonna be on high alter going foward... The chaos of the zetsu impersonations would've been *d perfect time* to make some big destructive or deadly plays

[@yamamotogotbodied1606]

Gotta love the dynamic duo

[@Yumemaru.]

Bro should’ve taken his left eye back years ago lol

[@floatingpasta8099]

I like to think Obito knew he didn't have a chance and just wanted to go out good

[@adrified9352]

It would be day time if obito travelled to a far spot. Since gravity exists in Naruto we should assume time zones do too. The infinite tsukuyomi requires you to stare at the moon

[@ThunderGodTG]

This is unironically an excellent point

[@Jose-h6v]

Make a war arc best performers video, characters like Choji deserve more love

[@wowdude654]

Obito became the strongest in the verse and Kishimoto almost immediately removed kamui and the god tree from him lmao. That is possibly the biggest nerf in the history of the show

[@Crimson19977]

Meanwhile allowed madara to absorb it and use kamui. I'm still mad about this

[@MarcGrayson-hp3ve]

They fumbled because they were trying to play each other

[@apogee9099]

SF3 soundtrack is crazy

[@korinsenju]

He could’ve completed his plan in part 1 fr

[@jwall1646]

Kin & Gin vs the Saninn would be a good vid

[@SatorisYT]

Let's go!!

[@RainHH]

Obito fumbled so hard. It's mega-hilarious. lmao

[@YCAProdigy]

TG would know about fumbling 😮

[@EternalWanderer657]

@@YCAProdigy 😂👀🤫

[@ThunderGodTG]

It’s a 9-5 for me at this point

[@YCAProdigy]

@@ThunderGodTG you ain’t slick TG I saw what you commented before talking bout “the only thing I fumble is latinas” 😭

[@EternalWanderer657]

@YCAProdigy That's a big fumble lol.

[@ThunderGodTG]

LMAOO

[@adamdonovan7269]

So I'm 1:50 minutes in and I already have the answer. Minato. Minato is the entire reason that Obito was set back the way he was. Obito knew Naruto was his son. He knew that Minato figured it all out and he also knew how smart Minato was. Minato had such contingency plans that even after his death, Minato still won in the end. Like yeah Obito could have taken Yamato, Kakashi and Naruto all at once if he wanted. The reason he didn't, Minato. He tried it and it almost killed his plan. He wasn't about to risk that again. He tried to face Minato while pretending to be Madara. Minato didn't care who he was and still stopped him anyway. Not sure on what else I can say really. Minato was almost as much of a cheat code as Hashirama was...

[@BaldGym]

If that was the case don't you think he should of been even more cautious instead of deciding to announce his entire plan to the 5 kage?

[@kiracaos]

where are those 3d animatiosn coming from?

[@caleb3639]

óbito had all the power at his disposal but lacked the will

[@dcincorporated9851]

Thats some shit all for one would do

[@username2168]

He thought he was too strong for them, ended up loosing

[@artistaroundtheblock2047]

I never watched the fight of Obito vs Naruto and Bee. But I KNOW that he really shouldn’t have lost there And also when he was ten tails Juubito. Like b1tch you can just blow them all up. Even if they try teleporting the bombs away just keep doing it tf?!

[@716_ハディくん]

kishimoto didn't allow it mc need to survive

[@artistaroundtheblock2047]

@@716_ハディくん That’s fair

[@Golden_Raijin]

Instant click, I'm so excited

[@johnchris2122]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Obito's intangibility requires some part of his body to remain go to the kamui dimension, while some part remains and he's very vulnerable when he uses kamui to suck things in.

[@ThunderGodTG]

This is correct, although when he sends a part of himself to the Kamui space he can’t physically touch anybody or anything.

[@adrianatkins10]

What's the guests' channel? Tried to check him out but got nothing on youtube search.

[@ThunderGodTG]

YT description

[@CrimsonWar5]

All in a days work for shibai and the jogan affecting history.

[@Arcadia_warlic]

Obito is loathe to fight when Kakashi is nearby, and he initially wanted them to willingly give up Naruto, so of the two options (fight with Kakashi or potentially just let them give up Naruto willingly), he would prefer to at least try the latter, first. I think the Daimyō council might eventually force the hidden villages to give up the bijū otherwise they would cut the villages' funding, which would eventually just result in Obito's victory regardless. Obito gives up on the Daimyō when he sees it is faster to go for the bijū directly. He would have continued at that angle if they were still isolated somewhere else. I doubt Obito would want to work with Kabuto on the same target, but I agree he should not have trusted him with a task of such import. The point of the Zetsu is attrition warfare, even if the ratio is not 1:2, it still helps wear out and split up the enemy forces whilst Obito can position himself wherever he wants. Obito could likely make clones to bind the bijū over multiple areas, given Naruto was able to split up Kurama's chakra over a similar distance. Shikaku notes that forcing Naruto out to fight the White Zetsu imposters is playing into Obito's hands. He did not need much else. Shortly after Naruto arrived he directly confronted him and B with his Six Paths of Pain which is all he would need. The rest of the alliance did not show up until much later, after the Jūbi was already reborn. He presumably did not plan on Sasuke betraying him. Just having him as another asset is reason enough. It is unclear how much time passes before the war actual starts following the declaration. Surgery takes time to heal and Obito might not have been able to get Sasuke ready any sooner. Perhaps he could have given him a Zetsu injection, but Sasuke might have refused or Obito did not want to give him that much power. Obito originally wanted a complete Jūbi revival, and thus needed to take Naruto alive, and nearly got there multiple times. It is not until Naruto gets reinforcements that Obito is forced to accelerate his plans. Arguably it is a fumble to go so far for the complete revival to begin with (given he does not really need it), but if not for that, there would be no war since he could have just immediately gotten Ginkaku and Kinkaku to revive it.

[@Black_Guy]

Obito didn't want to win. He just didn't want to admit he was a loser.

[@joecaa3722]

I blame kishimoto's terrble writing for this. the fact that many fans question the iq of the characters that are supposedly smart and cunning is just damning

[@716_ハディくん]

finally someone with common sense fictional characters can't decide themselves, it's all on author

[@crocoboi7936]

How is it it terrible writing if it makes sense for the character. If a character is established as stupid and they make stupid decisions it’s not bad writing.

[@cattusstroffic1243]

Day 6 asking for what if minato had his kunai jutsu from shippuden movie The Tower, how things would play out, and how much more could he further develop it

[@amartyap886]

This video was great and i loved seeing y’all’s takes but at the end of the video with the whole why didn’t obito TP across the world i think it’s because minato already had him marked with a flying raijin seal so teleporting away would just be a waste of obitos chakra and also if minato TP’d to obito while he was still in kamui then that would be really bad for obito because it would stop him from kamuing again if he left cause if someone waited in the kamui dimension they could pull a kakashi and basically stop obito from using his kamui for a little bit.

[@716_ハディくん]

because kishimoto didn't think about it

[@amartyap886]

No kishimoto probably did think about it and realized that isn’t possible cause it would result in minato immediately teleporting there. But we can never really know cause neither of us are kishimoto.

[@MysticMylesZ]

Obito fumbled more + plus he was taking this way more seriously than Kabuto, he had a full goal & something to prove

[@vergilmustlive8066]

ANOTHER 3RD STRIKE INTRO!!🔥😂 TG KNOWS!!💯

[@ThunderGodTG]

WE BALL WITH PEAK 😂😂

[@VelvetAura]

L-L-LETS GO

[@vergilmustlive8066]

@@ThunderGodTG keep it up boss!😤🔥💯

[@poodie3887]

Obito was planning on using koto

[@mininggypsy499]

Hmm

[@LoonyLB]

Obifraud

[@louise.4748]

The G's!

[@BZgA]

Obito is the King of Naruto. He is the Chosen One.

[@louise.4748]

Yo does Kurama have a certain affinity for chakra nature? Narutopedia says Wind and Fire (rationale I think is because in the Pain Arc Kurama creates tornados and fire beams)

[@ghost245353]

HOW did black zetsu "record" battles??!

[@Chatterscompany]

I liked this one better than the Kabuto one

[@oliveragag8576]

Why was he running to Bee and Naruto when he could teleport?

[@kaikudo5745]

I think the whole Sasuke situation was that Tobi being Obito was a retcon. Originally it was intended to be Madara and Tobi/Madara was actually seeing himself in Sasuke. Sasuke was the fire that Madara told Hashiirama that it no longer exists in Uchiha and Hashiirama said there would be someone eventually. That whole "I want to Validate existence of Uchiha" would be something that Madara might say not Obito. It is way too out of character. Obito never cared about that kind of things. Wanting to see Sasuke and Naruto fight is so something Madara would want. I think originally the plan was Madara qould be possessing Obito's body or something along those lines and rune-rebirth might have been intended to restore his body. Maybe I am way off the mark about last parts but it was definitely a retcone.

[@___________0Z0X]

I need a how Madara didn't fumble the war now.

[@ThunderGodTG]

It’s so wild cause he actually didn’t 😂 I had this same idea for a vid and everything

[@___________0Z0X]

@@ThunderGodTG yeah, I still want the vid though lol. You can just name it “how Madara didn’t fumble the war”. VoiceOverIt could be really fun to compare how much more serious he was compared to Kabuto and Obito.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Nah I 100% plan on doing it if dudes enjoy it I can branch out with stuff like how pain didn’t fumble the assault on the leaf which he 100% did not

[@zmartusers3396]

Rather than fumbling. He probably wanted to lose. Like, why the f didn't he just take back his Kamui from Kakashi in part one Naruto or before. When Kakashi was way weaker. He could just extract Kurama from Child Naruto then clap the Villages with Akatsuki & Nine tails combo. He could have even taken out teen Itachi way earlier. Bruh.

[@n.6847]

All Obito had to do was carpet bomb the 5 villages with white zetsus while EVERY strong shinobi from all 5 of em were miles away in the supposed battlefield. Imagine what would happen to the shinobi's when news of their loved ones getting massacred reaches them. Instant demoralization and it would ruin any coherent battle plan they had.. They would have no reason to fight when they no longer have anything to protect. Obito could easily do with with Kamui - take the white zetsus into his kamui dimension and just pop out above the villages and let em lose.

[@716_ハディくん]

unfortunately kishimoto didn't think through before writing war arc

[@justinarzola4584]

How would he "carpet bomb" Zetsu's, he ain't flying a plane lol.

[@joecaa3722]

​@@justinarzola4584probably an exaggeration. but the idea of attacking the hidden villages while the strong was away is a solid plan too bad kishimoto didn't do this cuz that would end the story too quickly.

[@n.6847]

@@justinarzola4584 its a figure of speech. i meant dropping an army of zetsus on the village using Kamui

[@smitefulaxe1344]

I mean, he could have done this... But Obito would never, if he really just wanted to kill everyone he could have just took out 90% of the strongest ninja himself. Obito genuinely believed people would be better off in the Infinite Tsukuyomi and unlike Madara he never enjoyed fighting - that's what makes him such a great character imo. If he did what you suggested he'd just be a generic mass murderer imo.

[@sageofthickcalves]

Thumbnail is hilarious lmao

[@NathanHager-o6j]

It’s because he secretly still loved everyone

[@redza1603]

I hate that the cannon answer to all of these is that Black Zetsu manipulated Obito to make these specific choises

[@Crimsonking468]

I also am under the Assumption if Madara had been Summoned by Kabuto early on in the War Madara and Obito would have Won.

[@JayJones-s2q]

Madara reverse fumble go crazy

[@PhilMcCawk]

Yoo I’m fried as fuck I thought it said how obito FUNDED the war 💀

[@ThunderGodTG]

😂😂😂

[@PhilMcCawk]

@@ThunderGodTG fucking love your content brother take care ❤️

[@ThunderGodTG]

Appreciate that my man ✊🏻🔥

[@rayvonvelez3129]

Its so funnny obito has so many opportunities to get rid of naruto, but all he does is talk and try to mentally and emotionally break naruto, but instead he reverses his gashlighting on himself. Obito throws the worst

[@headcrap6152]

mf tried his hardest to lose

[@eqx7168]

Yo he did pretty damn good I think considering real Madara was revived, Kabuto plotting, but he went up against 5 Nations and made it pretty fucking far

[@Crimsonking468]

What would have happened if Sasuke never Betrayed Obito after getting the EMS and was teamed up with him and Madara instead of switching Sides?

[@MZOver]

Bro me and my homie were just talking bout the 4gnw and how stupid people be

[@cattusstroffic1243]

Could have kamui'd jinchuriki into his dimension where they would get mopped up from all Akatsuki members and set up gedo statue there, but nah lets have Story.. 😆 jk

[@meowsquared]

It's possible that Obito didn't think he COULD capture Naruto during the five Kage summit. While Obito is undoubtedly stronger than everyone there at the moment and could win, he had just gotten news that Nagato had been defeated by Naruto, and didn't have a ton of information to go on to figure out how he had done it. Since Nagato at that time was the only person who could have possibly come close to Obito's level at that time, it's likely that his thought process was: Obito >= Pain Naruto > Pain Naruto = Obito??? In practice, that probably isn't the case, but I wouldn't blame him for feeling cautious when he still doesn't have the rinnegan yet and Naruto is also accompanied by Kakashi and Yamato, the former of which he knows has his eye and might be able to use it to get around Kamui. The REAL fumble was not capturing and sharingan hypnotizing Naruto off rip when he was a child.

[@cattusstroffic1243]

Why doesn't obito unlock rinnegan? Do you need 2 eyes?ems first?

[@Crimson19977]

Nah hagoromo didn't have ems, he didn't have a relative with an ms, he just went from ms to rinnegan. And the rinnegan takes many years to develop as seen with madara

[@Crimsonking468]

To be honest Obito was basically the Most Powerful Shinobi on Earth until Madara and Hashirama showed up.

[@dragonknight1560]

Like Obito's approach isn't... to me, not as bad as Kabuto. Kabuto had EVERYTHING to lose with his whole "I will be the next Sage of Six Paths" and yet Obito is like "Nah, I don't care, I plan to be and then make my ideal world after I show everyone what despair is". And I guess that's his whole mentality in the whole thing; he's still in that lake of blood, looking at Rin's dead body. He still hates the world and hates everyone that defends the world full of nothing of misery, betrayal and death. Even in his fight against Kakashi inside the Kamui Dimension, he expresses to him how much he hates the real world and all it's done to him personality. You could say his personal feelings cause the downfall of winning or how he should have approach the war. And the blame for all of this... is ironically Naruto. Like ThunderGod and Satori said, Obito is the Naruto that could have been if he lost himself to the hell of the world. Like it's likely he was affected when Nagato lost to Naruto (lying that he wasn't), both in their fight and the philosophy side of things. The whole sweat part is also part of it and the idea of wanting Naruto and Sasuke to fight (I kinda laugh at the idea if maybe Obito wanted to see their fight go epic) just so Naruto sees the pointless of fighting a world of Hell. That Sasuke ain't going to see his point view and Naruto will be forced to kill his friend, breaking him. No doubt that part had to be handled better or even Turtle Island approach. YEA. That one he should have clarified why he didn't just go there or the Tailed Beasts. Now for doing the Ten-Tailed Ritual elsewhere, maybe he couldn't make a contract with it to summon it (even though it's still the Gedo Statue now flesh) or it would be too hard to control it? If Obito really needed the seal in his heart removed, he should have let Naruto hit him once with a strong Rasengan across his chest where his heart is, in the hopes it will be enough to damage or leave a hole through him just so he can perform the ritual to becoming the Ten-Tailed Jinchuuriki. It's all too weird. youtube.com/@ThunderGodTG I'm curious if you read this: What would your approach be if Obito and Kabuto weren't idiots and actually did everything right for the war? What could have changed to still lead with Naruto and the Shinobi Alliance to still manage a win... until Madara is like "HELL NO" and wins it all like he should.

[@boredfangerrude8759]

Kurama couldn't be sealed during most opportunities, they didn't have Gyuki's chakra.

[@ThunderGodTG]

They got Kinkaku & Ginkaku’s chakra + a Tail from Gyuki which is what Obito used originally

[@boredfangerrude8759]

@@ThunderGodTG But that was mid to late into Shippuden. Obito had encountered Naruto a few times before they got the Gyuki tail. And they didn't even get Ginkaku and Kinkaku until the middle of the 4th war.

[@ThunderGodTG]

What we were saying was that early Kage Summit & Turtle island were both opportunities. They needed to capture the Bijuu in order to avoid the statue collapsing.

[@commander1suv492]

Trying to say that Obito wanted Naruto and Sasuke to fight as justification for why he didn't defeat Naruto and Bee and extract them and initiate the infinite Tsukyomi is really dumb. His dream could have been that he wanted his happy life with everyone alive and then had Naruto and Sasuke eventually fight in that dream anyway. He doesn't care who wins much, just that they fight. If he cared that much his dream would accommodate for it. Like it would for Rin.

[@ThunderGodTG]

It is a fumble but an understandable one in his position I’m 100% setting that matchup up fuck logic

[@extraleader2920]

W

[@EternalWanderer657]

How did he fumble the war if Madara and Obito achieved their goal? They achieved the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Naruto and Sasuke ultimately undid the jutsu.

[@Blane-zr7kn]

He fumbled bc he could have easily gotten naruto and killer bee but literally made it harder for himself for no good reason

[@ThunderGodTG]

Obito actually didn’t get the Infinite Tsukyuomi under his conditions. He wanted to be the one to do it and snake Madara. Madara in this case technically did win the war.

[@EternalWanderer657]

@ThunderGodTG It doesn't necessarily matter if it was achieved under his condition or not, Infinite Tsukuyomi was accomplished, and that's all that matters. Obito didn't want to snake Madara, he only did that after Nagato sacrificed himself and decided he's going to do it himself, but the initial goal was for Madara to achieve it.

[@EternalWanderer657]

@Blane-zr7kn A fumble is more like coming close to victory only to make mistake and it costs you everything but IT was achieved so I don't see a fumble.

[@ThunderGodTG]

While this is true it’s very clear Obito never was fully on board with Madara like he notes to Madara himself. It became clear that in the war he was proactively working against Madara’s interest like removing the Tag on his heart and such. While they both did want the plan to succeed it seems that sometime into Obito being Madara he decided he wanted to be the one to enact it as opposed to Madara which is technical but, I do think it’s worth noting.

[@Maina980]

Obito may have fumbled the war.. but if Danzo was made commander in chief of the war it would’ve ended in 1 day 🗣️🗣️

[@username2168]

The show would be the Middest oat if obito did that tho