How Old Was Adam When God Created Him?

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

If you want a more in depth picture of Genesis. I did a live stream series on my other channel that runs the entire way through Deuteronomy (playlist link below) . It's about 30 hours worth of content. Please consider subscribing there too, as I do upload to that channel sometimes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/haKsp4uCfdV3g8k

[@Brando_Magnifico]

I am reading some of these comments JD and I am inspired! You might feel like you bit off more than you can chew at times. Lol. Take Heart and know that some are deep in prayer for You.

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

I really appreciate that! Yeah, I'm the type that definitely bites off more than I can chew at times.

[@adventuresinmichiganwlisa9852]

🌞☕❣️☕🌞 Good Morning JD. Great Adult Sharing 👍🤓

[@Jalepo]

Ignore the haters. God said we would be prosecuted! You've gained my sub :)

[@Brando_Magnifico]

Please share Your testimony. If You did and I missed it, please direct Me. Thanks 🙏

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

I didn't do a full testimony video yet, so you didn't miss it. :)

[@toddlarmon3708]

Hi JD! It's great to see you. A very interesting topic of discussion....

[@KristenG380]

Hi JD, do you have any recommendations for pastors, or anyone to listen to, that isn't Reformed or Dispensational? I know that's a hard one, but I'm just curious...

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

I'll try to answer this question on my other channel in a video or whenever I do a live stream. It's hard to give endorsements these days without caveats, so I don't want to drop random names in the comments. :)

[@KristenG380]

@JDsVarietyChannel I completely understand that!

[@Daniel90210]

I agree, my personal studies have lead me to believe deeply that the Gospel is the *KEY* to understanding every book within the pages of the Bible, every theology and all, eschatology of the bible In modern times in the Church, many reject the simplicity of the Gospel -Saved by faith through Christ - John 6:47 John 3:18 John 3:36 Romans 3:28 Now my understanding of the Flood of Noah, Nineveh, Sodom and Gomorrah stories is diametrically opposed to modern teachings within the Church as they contradict their gospel view of works that deny the Lord Jesus Christ Titus 1:16 I believe modern teachings of works based salvation have been an exceptional tool to reject Jesus, to worship "Israel" concluding my view that is the fulfilment of the prophesied Apostasy, a turning away from the truth in Christ unto their fables of men Hence Luke 18:8 "..Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

[@Quickened1]

He sure will in me. Jesus knows me through and through... ✝️

[@JustPlainSteve5372]

Fascinating & Interesting topic JD.

[@Sergei_kv82]

Is the answer unfalsifiable?

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

I mentioned this discussion is for those who accept a specific presupposition, so.....

[@sawyerdawson28]

Wow, what an engaging video! I found it very interesting. So much to think about! Do you know if the age of maturity pre-flood is relatively proportionate with the age of maturity now? I did some math using the average age of death now being 80, and the average age of peak maturity now being about 25...my "answer" for pre-flood peak maturity is about 281. Maybe I'm getting in over my head (haha) - just thinking. Thanks, as always!

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

Hey Sawyer! I'm sure the math could shed more light on this, but I know my calculations would only be guesses. Honestly, I haven't worked on it too much myself as there's likely variables that I don't know how to account for (or we just don't know all of them) . I wouldn't know where to start to make a comparison with the the pre-flood world, as we don't have much information on it. Keep in mind I'm not fully convinced that the age of maturity was proportionate to their lifespan. There could be a different explanation. It's possible they could have aged similar to how we do, but then leveled off and died slower. Since the bible generally records genealogy through men, we don't have records of how old the women were when they gave birth pre-flood, which would have been very useful data. But I do have a hard time believing they were physically old by about 75, then lived to 900+. Doesn't seem to add up, but it could be? By the time you get to Sarah having a child at 90, that was already considered a miracle because she was called old. She died at 127, and Abraham at 175. So this comparison leans more toward them maturing quicker and dying slower post flood. Isaac died at 180, so if 90 was considered about half of lifespan (Sarah, appears to have died prematurely), that would be the equivalent of her having a child at 45 today when using the proportional to lifespan model, which could challenge the idea of how much of a miracle it really was. Also, we wouldn't call someone 45 "well advanced in age" as the bible called Sarah. Also, it's possible the pre-flood maturity rate could have differences to the modern world. Considering it appears dinosaurs went extinct relatively fast post flood, and lifespan dropped quickly, there could be other major environmental factors that skew any calculations. Simply put, we know very little about how pre-flood people aged. But it seems different than today based on scripture. If you come up with anything useful let me know. This topic uses a lot of logical deduction, so I'm sure there's stuff I'm missing.

[@sawyerdawson28]

@JDsVarietyChannel That makes sense to me now - thanks for explaining that to me, Jon. Proportions then might not have any correlation to those of today. I do find it very interesting, though, looking at the transitioning of the ages (no pun intended) throughout the Bible. It's something I've always been very curious about, even from a young age.

[@Quickened1]

Here's an early reference for birth in Genesis... Genesis 11:24-25 KJV And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah: And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

Yeah, and pre-flood there are 2 accounts of a first child being born at 65. Like you said in a different thread, it's also possible people just waited longer to have children, for whatever reason. Regardless, something certainly happened post flood, that caused rapid changes. The truth could be a mix of multiple variables, and we'll probably never know for sure on this side of eternity. :)

[@Quickened1]

@@JDsVarietyChannel Check this little bit of digging out. It's incredible, that every time you read the Bible, you receive all kinds of new information through the Holy Spirit! Let's just say, I've been through it several times front to back in 35 years, and I just gleaned this... Shem begat Arphaxad, who was born two years after the flood. Then he had Salah at 37 years old, 35 years later. So, obviously, replenishing human life on Earth became the priority. 290 years went by between the birth of Arphaxad, and Abram, and all but the last descendant, gave birth at 35 or under, the youngest being 29... The exception being Terah, who lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran. That is sharply different from pre-flood reproduction cycles! I suspect Noah steadfastly insisted that his children start reproduction ASAP after they landed and got settled... This suggests that people were absolutely capable of reproduction at earlier ages prior to the flood, probably in their mid 20s, or even earlier (who knows), they just didn't do it!!! 🙏🏻

[@jamesartmetal8403]

I would think since he wasn’t born he was created by God as a man. I would say he’d probably have been 25-30 years old? Just my thought 🤔 Remember God can do anything he wants.

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

Yes. I think he was created as a mature man. Also, it doesn't say Adam crawled in the garden. He walked with God.

[@TheStylesadam]

Wow, bye!

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

Take care.

[@johnboggan4390]

Good video and thank you much. Something to think about. 😊

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

Your welcome!

[@Quickened1]

It is one of the mysteries left unanswered in the Bible. I have contemplated all of these questions and many more, for 35 years, and what I have determined is, the Bible is purposely vague, to weed out those who would fall away because of unbelief... If you will turn your back on God, just because of something you read and don't understand, you are not worthy of His kingdom. There are uncounted mysteries in the Bible. These mysteries can never be answered with surety, since every man is right in his own mind, the only way to get the answers, will be to have Jesus Himself step down to educate the lost souls. Just like He says, let there be light, but He didn't explain HOW He created it, and many other such examples. The mysteries are what make life worth living! That said, I would lean to Adam being approximately 25 years old, since scientists are saying that the human brain isn't fully mature until then, and that's definitely when I fully matured, It's also the age I remember being as physically strong as I've ever been... Whatever it was, it doesn't matter, because it would be considered to be trivial information as compared to the spiritual meat, and just another debate. The weightier things are what matter, like, teaching of the Ten Commandments, and the consequences of not living by them... The FEAR OF GOD! Jared was 62 when he had his first, so maybe they just wanted to wait 130 years before having any kids, we can't imagine it. It is quite difficult to imagine the pre-flood world. There are so many unanswered questions, and no matter what, whatever we think the answer is, we are surely wrong. We have no concept of how, or why He did things the way He did, other than, I believe He gave us free will, to build the world exactly as we see it now... He is alive, He is in all of us, and He's coming soon! Praise Jesus! And the meek shall inherit the earth!

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

I agree. Someone looking for an answer to every fine detail in order to believe is not going to be able to trust God on the weightier issues. I enjoy exploring more obscure topics, as I find they frequently reveal truth about other areas of scripture, as well as being fun to ponder. I think such discussions also help people think deeper and challenge traditions that may not line up with the Word. But yeah, at the end of the day, those who end up deceived are because they were lead astray by their own desires. Anyhow, thanks for the encouraging comment!

[@janwarriner6554]

Hi Jon, I’m thinking of Job. Need to see if the Bible states when he was finally allowed to have children. Your mind is fascinating. Never would’ve questioned Adam’s age, lol.

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

Hey Jan. My understanding is that Job lived post flood (prior to Abraham), and died at 210. His original children died when he was 70, then he had 10 more children.

[@ndcomputerguy]

How about asking the question is the ridiculous childish story of adam and eve is for real? Sad..adults believing in fairytales

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

You can provide your views and add to the discussion.

[@alexmcginnis01]

And wheres your arguement?

[@Quickened1]

You obviously have not been far enough into the world of darkness, to need the light. But I assure you, the day is coming... MARANATHA

[@jaydenvaughn1595]

Man and woman made from the earth in God's image, which allows humans to have foresight and humor and to find beauty in the world. There there is in fact man and woman and have purpose and dignity among all the rest of the humans as well as the animals God had made which may seem like a day to him but to us Billions of earth years, fine tuned in every degree, whether the invisible sound and magnetic fields and gravity and atmosphere conditions and quality, space and distance between the planets and sun and stars, if any of that was slightly different (0.000000000000000000000001 degree of difference for about any one of them) then no life could exist whatsoever. It takes a hand to get things fine tuned and for something in such a manner and degree it had to have been in the same way. I don't know what you believe in or what you think are fairytales but all organism have DNA that resemble code and our eye sight is outside of the human body (the whole world isnt only perceived in our brain) and there is so much more. You can still believe in evolution but Darwinism can't explain how the first single cell organism came to be, and it can't explain the creative and intelligent process that dictate what strands come to be and how things can evolve to allow for natural selection, and even if you don't believe the story of Adam and Eve it is still a story that served a purpose and more than like something God wanted to be put down and for people to know. Genesis is also pretty much transcribed word for word and the religion of China dating 6500 BCE and it gives explaination of the cosmos (world) the creation of man and how we fell and pass on our genes of sin that are outside of the image of God with every offspring. Also a side note I just remembered, is people have located where the Garden of Eden was - based on description and science and whatever else - that would have been the most perfect living condition area for humans that has long long long since been no longer there.

[@Webnotized227]

If God has left us in a cursed world and is able to remove us from this cursed world but doesn't,then he is our abuser and not our savior.

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

I'll give a short rebuttal to my position on God as abuser statement. Without free will, there's no such thing as true love (IE: rape isn't love) so God gave people a choice between good and evil, so we would not be robots. Life and the will is a gift to us from God. The cursed earth is a result of man choosing evil (rebellion against God) God offered us forgiveness through Jesus Christ. We admit complicity in moral failure, and those who repent and follow Christ are promised eternal life with Him where there is no suffering. Chastisement is not abuse. If a father truly loves his son, he will train him to keep him on the right path, so that his untrained will does not lead him astray to selfish desires (which will lead to abusing others) . Also, not all suffering is punishment. We live in a world full of evil enacted through people's will (in which God does not always limit) . Just because God allows people to experience abuse at the hands of other agents of free will does not make Him complicit. Each person is responsible for their own actions, and will be judged for them. If one suffers in this short life, it is nothing compared to eternity, which is incomprehensible. Because Jesus Christ has changed me, I strive to never abuse others. The problem with suffering is not God, but the evil in the hearts of men who use their power to abuse others. And so you know I desire to be fair. Many people who claim to be Christians throughout history have done a miserable job at loving others. But the poor behavior of anyone in this world is not an excuse for our own behavior.

[@Webnotized227]

@JDsVarietyChannel it's common to make excuses for and even defend someone who has that much power over you but if he loved you and had that much power, he would hurt you or evevn let you sit in pain without stepping up. You shouldn't have to go through hell for him to accept you and while he puts all the blame on you it's as a result of his actions, mistakes and inadequacies that you're in the position you're in.

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

I understand where you're coming from. We simply have a different understanding of what love is in the end. Anyhow, thanks for sharing your perspective kindly. Is your world view atheist/agnostic? I don't want to assume anything about you.

[@Quickened1]

The key words you use are "but doesn't". My friend, He does! That's just it, but you have to climb on board now, because when He shows up with you unaware, you'll know not where to turn, and it'll be too late ... Jesus Saves ✝️

[@Webnotized227]

@Quickened1 so he's constrained? That's good to know. In that case who, or what constrains him? Since you seem to know. Because I think I'd rather see what I need to do to get on that entities good side

[@regun2434]

Ffs is this channel some religion bs now?

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Watch the 12 year update video for specifics. :)

[@regun2434]

@JDsVarietyChannel already unsubbed

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No worries. Take care.

[@regun2434]

@JDsVarietyChannel good luck to your chosen path

[@shauden10]

I feel sorry for radical religious types like you. So brainwashed.

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

Are you considering all religion radical or specifically my views? If you want to add to the conversation please take the time to parse out your views. :)

[@Quickened1]

There is nothing radical about believing in the Holy Bible, and looking for answers from others perspectives...

[@Jalepo]

What makes you hate Christianity so much? I'm curious. Really.

[@shauden10]

@@JDsVarietyChannel Both, I am agnostic. You take the words from a book so literally and will live 80+ years never fully living life. Just sad.

[@sawyerdawson28]

​@@shauden10 First off, the Bible is more than just "a book". It goes much deeper than that. (To put it this way: either we accept what the Bible says is true, or it's all a lie. May God be the judge.) Secondly, I'm just curious about what your view is of "fully living life"? :)