How One Man Ruined Music Forever

[@tacticaljunk1608]

This video is fucking insane. It really drives me up the fucking wall when people see a change of opinion over 10+ years as a contradiction instead of growth or a change of taste. You're allowed to have your feelings on an album change over time. You are not beholden to a score you gave it a decade ago. And the score you give something is not law. It's a loose summerization of how you feel. There is no sacredness to it. If you really think scores matter this much, you're a mouthbreathing nerd.

[@dat_one_axolotl]

w take

[@ezriotic]

such a W take

[@motoroilking]

It just reeks of someone inxperienced who thinks they're way smarter than they are. Would not survive a day in high school debate class.

[@moviesquad73]

I personally think we should normalize reviewing art without giving it a score because its been made clear that many many people will hyper fixate on the score and not what is being said regarding the critic's feelings on the product.

[@matthewlister3755]

Fantano is such a thoughtful critic, too. That's why I like him. Sure, I've disagreed with him. We're two different people with vastly different perspectives and life experiences. We're going to disagree. The problem is these haters want a Fox News or a CNN for music. They want someone who will always agree with them and will always reinforce their musical opinions. These people don't ever want to be challenged or told information that might change how they hear the music they listen to.

[@georgeandfriendsadventures5073]

I’m ready for the follow up video: “The Unnecessary Fall of Brad Taste in Music”

[@Kokong]

“Brad was always a respected music critic, but then cracks in his foundation started to appear when he gave the classic hip hop anthem pop champagne a bad score.”

[@TheSpoonman00]

*SHEET METAL WOBBLE INTENSIFIES*

[@andrewkoster6506]

SELL BRADCOIN NOW

[@eclipsegaleocerdo]

I hope brad situation gets better so that hypothetical video won't come out 😕

[@yaboyegreja7750]

:(

[@deft__12]

>Be a music related KZbinr that gives opinions >Search KZbin for music review >Get mad at the music reviewer for reviewing >Make a sloppily put together review of said reviewer >Receive backlash for being called a hypocrite >*shocked pikachu face*

[@C0dezz2]

How old are you

[@WojackToter]

@@C0dezz2 old enough to realize the video brad reacted to is pretty dumb

[@juvenilia_in_hell]

im 1 what your ag​@@C0dezz2

[@flamekiller3338]

@@C0dezz2 well we know you are 5

[@C0dezz2]

@@flamekiller3338 answer the question gang

[@dyls34]

18:40 "bias towards some artists" YEAH? LIKE ITS HIS OPINION? HE LIKES/DISLIKES THAT MUSIC STYLE.

[@artvjon]

It's pretty common knowledge that in terms of music taste, Fantano and I have very little in common. That being said, anytime I've ever talked with Anthony 1 on 1, he's been nothing but patient and accepting of different viewpoints He can be an ass on socials and gets goofy with some of his ridiculous takes, but this was a clear hitpiece and a desperate attempt at making a castle out of sand

[@johnjson]

in Anthony's defense, he's usually intentionally fucking with people on socials as well

[@boomerpatrol2838]

I don't follow him on like Twitter anymore because I do find him incredibly annoying on there but I'll still pop in for a review or let's argue because I find his videos entertaining even if I don't agree with them. He's a very honest critic and I respect that because you see major music publications kiss the ass of the biggest artists nowadays that you need someone to tell it straight.

[@LisaLee__]

Another one? Sheesh, get it ARTV$$ 🙄

[@phishcatt]

''it's common knowledge'' lmao. Who are you?

[@nou1186]

Look at the edgelords in the replies.

[@4caddit]

“you are nitpicking and biased, i win, bye bye”

[@lofy1263]

dunkey put it best

[@williamd2989]

What would we do without Dunkey?

[@Rahnonymous]

Opinions are biased, whodathunk?

[@dumberdummer]

That OG Xbox live panda tho

[@shriderrad4123]

​@@lofy1263 If it isn't Fantano, Dunkey's fandom is just has obnoxious and brain dead when it comes to arguments

[@michaelcallaghan1989]

When your argument devolves into "you gave x this score but gave y that score" you're just mad.

[@Rahnonymous]

They don't care about context, they only care about the scores he gave

[@zhalosc]

they're so mad 🤣

[@-47-]

Notice how they never even mention the music

[@ConvincingPeople]

Enjoyed giving this its 666th like. But yes, the whole "but you gave THIS an 8" thing really smacks of an inability to recognise that people are capable of having different yet valid perspectives on a subject which is fundamentally subjective.

[@michaelcallaghan1989]

@@ConvincingPeople HAHAHAHA! THE DEVIL! RAWR! But yes. Scores are a flawed but practical short hand. My advice would be to pay closer attention to the words being said rather than the number that's given.

[@yaboyegreja7750]

The guy says fantano is a contrarian even tough he said fantano specifically changed his opinion on swimming by Mac Miller to a higher score due to the public perspectieve of Mac changing for the better.

[@ha1dorenj1a]

pretty good pfp dude

[@spacecadet4191]

hes a contrarian that goes along with the general public’s opinion, duh

[@craigstephenson7676]

@@spacecadet4191yeah he says something unpopular for the sake of being unpopular and also says something popular for the sake of being popular.

[@nevadanate4957]

@@craigstephenson7676 that's not what a contrarian is then

[@mediumChungus69]

Does this not bring to light that a lot of other albums have probably suffered the same fate?

[@110.12dc]

Honestly fantano makes me want to listen and become passionate for music unlike anybody else. If I didn't discover anthony fantano i would still be in my nightcore phase lmaoooo

[@lolbox1859]

it’s a better start than christian rock (from a musical perspective)

[@PatKVoiceActor]

I used to be all rock and nothing else, but because of Fantano, I'm listening to all sorts of Rock, Rap, and Electronic beats!

[@georgeandfriendsadventures5073]

When I became passionate aloud music I started watching Fantano because he reviews nearly every album that releases. Still watch him to this day

[@TRAVXIZ614]

Fantano gave me one of my best musical summers one year. I listened to every album he reviewed in like 2015 and discovered a LOT of new and old music.

[@s4mcote]

Right? I discovered King Gizzard, Lemon Twigs and many amazing bands because of him.

[@rzeka]

Hearing words like "credibility" and "authority" makes me feel like people forget this: every music critic is just some regular person sharing their opinion. Like what do people want from him, should he just pander and lie about how he feels?

[@angelsnaiilz]

LITERALLY 😭😭😭😭 this always gets me

[@undercookedtoast1479]

Fr! Like i dont even agree with any of the music critics i follow most of the time, and i honestly wouldn’t want to. Its not about having an echo chamber telling me i have good music taste, it’s about listening to someone who is passionate about music give their opinion and thought process. And it also encourages me to check out music i wouldn’t consider otherwise and venture out of my comfort zone more often. I think there are objective aspects to music production but as a whole music is an *INCREDIBLY* subjective medium that can be experienced in so many different ways.

[@Luckyshoo]

Why do i feel like HipHopMadness doesn't understand what a review is. He is treating fantano like he pretends to give objective facts about quality.

[@prometheustv6558]

I sort of get it, Fantano is the biggest music reviewer so peoplw will think what he says is objective which is why people get mad at his reviews.

[@Luckyshoo]

@@prometheustv6558Yeah i guess but critizing fantano for people treating his reviews as gospel isn't really fair

[@conciliator6440]

yeah that's what I was thinking as I was watching this, the whole argument's a non-starter if you're unable/unwilling to even understand what a review is. "He gave this album a low score, but a lot of fans liked it, explain that?" is not exposing anything. Fantano literally invites his audience to express a different opinion or give the album a different score at the end of every review he does

[@prometheustv6558]

@@Luckyshoo exactly

[@phishcatt]

He looks really stupid ngl

[@TheSkaOreo]

It is funny how the people who claim to dislike or hate Fantano are also the same ones who absolutely wait with bated breath for his review of whatever artist they like.

[@timmy841212]

Bingo

[@blazedonakayak5294]

I hate fantano. That thatistheplanguy tho. He seems alright

[@coffdrop77]

@@blazedonakayak5294everybody knows Cal Chuschesta been carrying Fantano’s channel for YEARS

[@morbidtoaster8615]

They’re so desperate to have their opinions validated.

[@brzt4256]

Obviously. They wouldn't be mad if they didn't care or if his opinion didn't hold any weight.

[@pizzacrescent1080]

HipHopMadness' whole review immediately falls apart as soon as he defended Kanye, ain't no way he's defending what Kanye did. Separating the art and the artist can only go so far and people believing in this super hard are inhaling so much COPIUM.

[@ethansprague2005]

And fantanos point was that the art was full of kanyes antisemitism

[@OrgaNik_Music]

It's pretty hard to separate the art from the artist when the artist injects so much of himself into the art.

[@poniko6034]

Also it's not like Vultures is that good to deserve this much discussion. it's no MBDTF2 or Late Registration 2 to warrant this much controversy, it's straight up bad.

[@runa_7022]

people seem to forget that this exact argument is about DEAD artists, artists who cannot physically profit off their art anymore, you cannot separate art from an artist who is still profiting off the art - because the art and the artist are one in the same if they are alive to benefit from it

[@MelvinDukowski]

the best way to seperate art from the artist is to actually seperate the art from the artist. Becasue 1) most Ye fans make excuse after excuse for Ye's behavior and 2) Ye's art is so deeply entwined with his personality and a reflection of who he is that doing so effectively defeats the point of the art Ye is trying to make.

[@greyhunt3R]

Fantano hearing Circles and having it help Swimming click is one of the most normal things in media. I have had this happen 5+ times, playing/reading/watching/listening to a follow up to a work and loving it, putting the original thing I didn't care for into a new context, and revisiting to discover a love for it that wasn't there before.

[@TheResidence.mp4]

Happened to me at least 4 times over with King Gizzard, all it really took was listening to a different album for another to click a lot of the time

[@Xbman98]

I'd like to thank HipHopMadness for telling fantano to proceed with caution. There could have been a spill or other workplace hazard in his studio. Always stay vigilant and report any OSHA violations.

[@ZachIGuess69]

When you ask for turkey tom but get Rooster Rob instead:

[@nickm2046]

Everybody gangsta till Pigeon Pete shows up

[@QuillPGall]

too afraid to look up who turkey tom is

[@TrebleStarcrush]

@@QuillPGall he’s one of those annoying af drama youtubers that disguise themselves as video essayists.

[@abg5381]

@@QuillPGall he's a scornful bitter guy in the sphere of those who debate and argue for it's own sake and to no end, known for pretty cruel commentary

[@BeatsBySelim26]

Chicken Chuck

[@matias9978]

Media literacy is dead and "valid criticism 😭" to "haters" have killed it

[@TheSkaOreo]

It’s been that way for awhile. Pretty much the reason why Gamer Gate became a thing.

[@matias9978]

@@TheSkaOreo pretty much, but gamergate was just by 4chan, nowadays its on the mainstream "stan"... Art is fucked ⚰️

[@Mujoman101]

media literacy is such a cope pseudo intellectual argument

[@thesyrupdude]

people also forget that other people can have opinions on stuff and you dont have to agree. if someone else hates something I like, none of us have to change our position because art is subjective and that is literally fine

[@nevadanate4957]

Media literacy arguably has always just been a concept with varying (mostly negative) prominence in actual society. Also, people have always hated critics and done the weird irrational "stop hating what I love" dance, it remains fundamentally confusing to some people while also fundamentally being interesting content for others.

[@Dogy0909]

I don’t hate Fantano because of his taste in music, I hate him because I am prejudiced against bald people who wear glasses

[@Dogy0909]

You’re next Ryan Letourneau

[@siluriantides]

What did Vsauce ever do to you?!

[@lucasgoncalves7774]

Based tbh.

[@AnastasiaThemis]

"Anthony has been throwing around high scores a lot recently and here's a list of things he should've scored higher" was a weird direction for like a quarter of that video to go

[@nevadanate4957]

Funny how it always comes down to being mad about his opinion.

[@Magic7ball]

reminder that in the Burzum review from 13 years ago Fantano says "Varg is a racist and I will not be reviewing his music again"

[@IAmNVA92]

Rap fans try not to be self-aggrandizing and portray themselves as the center of art and culture for 1 minute challenge: difficulty: impossible

[@LeviathanScream]

"Rap fans" as you rock an avatar of Bart dressed like Cam'ron.😂

[@mosescamacho1245]

Exactly. It’s annoying how rap fans are so ignorant to other music genres

[@IAmNVA92]

@@LeviathanScream crazy how people can critique their own communities. Absolutely wild.

[@von...]

@@LeviathanScream you can sell fake perc 30's at the mcdonalds playplace & still be a philosopher in your spare time bro

[@LeviathanScream]

@IAmNVA92 as someone who listens to rap among other genres I try not to label myself with a sub category of music. Makes it easier for you to not be biased or care about random people/youtubers on the internet when you don't act tribal. Also are you rocking that avatar because of the reference to Cam'ron or are you a Ryan Celsius fan by chance.

[@cabin_quilt]

I hate the idea that a review needs to be Objective (something that is literally impossible) in order to be valid or useful or interesting.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

don't get me started on people not knowing what objectivity is

[@kyletucker3811]

Completely agree. Music is subjective. Aside from maybe classical music, there's no way to objectively judge it. It's all subjective to some degree. Now we can all tell when someone can't carry a tune, or the beat doesn't fit the song. But beyond that it gets highly subjective.

[@xXMachineGunPhillyXx]

Anthony Fantano is the Kurt Cobain of bald people. I will not be explaining this.

[@andreaseverin1346]

in that there's a non zero chance he's a closeted trans woman?

[@craigstephenson7676]

@@andreaseverin1346no, in that he’s dead

[@xXMachineGunPhillyXx]

@@andreaseverin1346 … closeted?!

[@mosescamacho1245]

The guy from Smashing Pumpkins exist but okay

[@xXMachineGunPhillyXx]

@@mosescamacho1245 at this point Cal Chuchesta sells more records than Billy Corgan. So no.

[@abartel6]

as if it's impossible to change your mind about an album 10 years later

[@_remblanc]

Fantano literally addresses this very line of criticism in his April Fools video btw, clearly stating that his opinion changed.

[@OrgaNik_Music]

Some of my favourite albums of all time are ones I could not stand when I first heard them.

[@scootaymildo1070]

A 3 to an 8 though? Not sure about that one tbh. I've thought albums are OK on a first listen that have really grown on me but I've never gone from thinking an album is poor to really good. Seems sus to me given Mac's early passing, I think questioning that is reasonable.

[@Rahnonymous]

Same people who would drag someone else for something they did when they were young. "If I can't grow as a person, no one else can" the mentality

[@wozaow]

​@@scootaymildo1070That's absolutely happened to me, I don't think it's implausible at all. Mystic Stylez by Three 6 Mafia went from a 2 to a 9, Fandom by Waterparks went from ~2 to a 7, The Ghost~Pop Tape by Devon Hendryx went from a 2 to a 9, and many others.

[@LuluFluffs]

SunnyV2 B-Sides

[@TheResidence.mp4]

SunnyV1

[@andrewkoster6506]

true!!!

[@eclipsegaleocerdo]

SunnyV0

[@piranhalettuce]

MoonyB-2

[@andynachos2045]

Sunny V3

[@SanguineThor]

Its funny, because the clip of Anthony talking to FD at 22:54 is proving that he DOES understand the dynamics of how trends change in hip hop, and he has open ears to that and aknowledge his bias. If anything, it immediately proves the video wrong.

[@longlivethesheet4561]

I don’t think Melon really cares if someone enjoys music he doesn’t

[@andrewkoster6506]

you don't get it. If he doesn't like the same music that I like, he's WRONG

[@phorilthomson]

But his glazing fans do lmao

[@franklinbadge1215]

@@phorilthomson So do Kanye's glazing fans

[@chaos_incarnate5131]

If this dude were to discover Mark from Spectrum Pulse, I'm convinced he would legit pop a blood vessel.

[@eyecon1189]

Frrrrr😂

[@nextlevel3884]

On a 💯 cause Mark is on A WHOLE another Level in comparison to Fantano.

[@1gnore_me.]

lmao truuuuuuee

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

Mark "if you review Vultures without a lengthy disclaimer do not even speak to me again" Grondin goes hard enough on it to even turn *me* off sometimes

[@shrimpscampin]

​@@rudolfambrozenvtuberwow he sounds really annoying 😭😭

[@jacobbrown9894]

TBH "refuses to separate the art from the artist" is a major lauding as far as I'm concerned, even though it's stated so negatively. I'm tired of "Yeah he's like an F tier human being who makes others worse, sometimes all of society worse considering the money and influence he has, but he can make a good song so you should praise and buy his products!" as commentary on celebrities.

[@andrewkoster6506]

yeah, "separating the art from the artist" is a specific way that a person can choose to analyze media and it's not mandatory

[@plantain.1739]

I always find it weird that people bring it up in the context of Kanye. Like, dave mustaine seems like a prick but most his music is pretty general "The government is eeeeevil" with some personal touches, but mostly through composition. Kanye literally just writes about himself to a pretty large degree. It's alot harder to separate art from artist if the art is a self portrait.

[@PUNKISTCHUY]

I think the funniest thing to ever happen in the online Hip-hop community is all these hip-hop "drama" channels switching on Fantano as soon as he called Vultures by Kanye ass. 😭😭

[@Hikikomortis]

cmon thats not what he did tho he had a literal mental breakdown it was embarassing lol

[@nut311aman]

@nahomkebede5107 how long you gonna keep sucking Ye's dick

[@nut311aman]

​@nahomkebede5107 "mental breakdown" what do you think the reason for that was?

[@TheResidence.mp4]

​@@HikikomortisWhat was astronomically more embarrassing was the response from everyone defending Kanye

[@Hikikomortis]

@@nut311aman him getting clowned on twitter which was 100 percent warranted btw

[@polboye]

I think the way he paints Fantano's opinions as "getting it wrong", perfectly demonstrates his warped perception of art discussion. There has to be a "wrong" take, or a "correct" one, and anything that goes against the grain is considered "unfair and biased". When in reality, what's unfair and biased is their perception of his opinions. When his opinions differ from theirs, that makes them uncomfortable. So instead of trying to understand why he feels that way, they let their own biases seep into the way they respond; they refuse to understand. They make up theories to explain why he's enjoying or disliking something with zero evidence. Any amount of self reflection would reveal this to them, but that requires a certain amount of self awareness they straight up lack. When you argue for objectivity in art, you've already lost.

[@jillionjangles4177]

Can’t really separate the art from the artist when the artist actively admits and doubles down on all their awful stuff in their music

[@gamakujira64e23]

Istg Kanye’s lyrics on carnival singlehandedly made that song go from decent to unlistenable for me

[@RedFoxLevel101]

Brad reviewing some guy who is reviewing fantano who is reviewing music. This is the ouroboros sludge I need to keep the voices away.

[@tundrabee119]

Turtles all the way down... KZbin fractals🎉

[@eclipsegaleocerdo]

HipHopMadness: "Anthony Fantano changes his opinions based on public shift." Also HipHopMadness: "Anthony Fantano is a contrarian."

[@Rahnonymous]

This is why writers don't publish first drafts

[@thelastchannelonyoutube]

If Fantano likes an album that everyone else likes, he’s a conformist. But if he hates an album everyone likes, he’s a contrarian. A honest critic can never win against that kind of logic.

[@undercookedtoast1479]

@@thelastchannelonyoutubenot just honest critics, literally *no one* can win by that logic bc it’s blatantly hypocritical

[@derekrose3328]

💯

[@philly_sports1558]

People should be allowed to like whatever they like or dislike whatever they dislike without being gatekeeped. Music discussion has just gotten so toxic in the last few years.

[@timmy841212]

People getting mad because someone reviews an album so unfavorably is just weird. I love Whitney Houston’s music but I don’t get all bent out of shape if someone doesn’t.

[@miiviscerator]

gatekept* otherwise valid

[@chan_martin]

It blows my mind that people get so agitated about not liking music from a man that is objectively problematic and has been for years. I haven’t listened to Vultures and I have no desire to.

[@smaaron_j_46]

I did just so I can shove it in their faces how bad it is, but it backfired on me when it got a pretty positive reception. People are just that delusional lmao

[@Hikikomortis]

thats not whati had problems with fantanos words isnt bible and rational people know that but him attacking kanye's wife by saying shes a dollar kim k suggesting shes getting abused with 0 proof and attaking kanye fans for listening to him was a low point and i think thats why he got so much backlash

[@heinzmonster]

I never listened to Vultures because the music is bad

[@fundude6127]

Can you imagine being a hiphop channel and censoring swear words? A HIPHOP CHANNEL 😭😭😭

[@_remblanc]

Content mill type beat

[@ironickrempt]

Notice he says “unalive” instead of “kill” as well lmao Terminal TikTok content mill brain

[@adamlagerqvist8111]

@@_remblanc Yes I'm so sick of the content mills consuming the entirety of the internet. I guess things were doomed from the start though, considering it's always been content and content creator because at the end of the day that is what art is to the business world, just content to be sold for profits.

[@prometheustv6558]

Not even traditional swear words, words like crap. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@andrewkoster6506]

I JUST DRANK A FIFTH OF [KOOL-AID], DARE ME TO DRIVE?

[@_remblanc]

One may not like Sexyy Red's album, but Fantano's reasoning for enjoying the record are not just very clearly his opinion, but are also well-reasoned arguments for what he underscores as good qualities of the record, like how much of its DNA is rooted in southern hip-hop acts like Three Six Mafia, which is more than true if you know that sound, and I find it crazy that someone out there thinks it somehow ruins his integrity that he likes the sound he's publicly known for liking.

[@erikdaniels0n]

He also liked Lil Pump’s self titled mixtape which, in hindsight, isn’t a masterpiece but does have some real bangers

[@mocapcow2933]

People both want Fantano to be the most pretentious music snob to hate him, but also a fan of lowest common denominator music to hate him. They don’t realize he just loves music, doesn’t matter if it’s pop, or drone.

[@unblorbosyourshows9635]

underscores reference?????

[@mocapcow2933]

@@unblorbosyourshows9635 😭

[@Ne0nRhythmoX]

Fantano has always had a soft spot for ratchet over the top sexual lyrics. It’s why he likes Cupcakke so much. Not to say she’s bad cause she’s quite good and her production is usually pretty solid.

[@ZeuzMakesMusic]

For people that say they don’t care about fantanos reviews. They seem to really care about his vultures 1 review 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@andynachos2045]

Coincidence? I think not

[@oopsalldrip1376]

kanye fans when someone doesn't want to review his unlistenable garbage: "fantano has fallen... hundreds must unsubscribe"

[@TheSkaOreo]

Shawncee pretty much did the same thing, and Kanye stans were practically begging him to do it. The crave having their anti-Semitic god validated.

[@EntrEsprit]

he gave valid reasons as to this album being ass. The only clowns in this Vultures discourse were kanye stans and fantano stans

[@andynachos2045]

People like sensitive society I expect throwing a tantrum over this, but Brad too? The internet is just cancerous now.

[@henrylangham6428]

​@@TheSkaOreo being anti semetexis is a OPPOSITE of bad thing. theskaoreo just admitted that they support the geanocyde of pallerstynians

[@henrylangham6428]

@@TheSkaOreo Kanye is a blcvvk man. the people that he hates (but people with triple parenthesis and triple quotation marks because it changes the meaning) the people he hates are whyt skinned whyt people rich straight whyt males who have power and khantroal over the entire world and music industry and power of pocs and blcvk people and they are responsible for the African slayyve trrade. sooooo many blcvvk people have been opposite of alive due to the whyt skinned people that Kanye hates. and now so many broyyyyy wn people middle eastern semetick immiegrant arabs have children and woman have been unalived by the people that Kanye hates

[@Jotun184]

Lost it at the "now he's just giving scores based on his subjective views???" It's been in the description of every one of his videos for years and years lmao, good on you for catching on mr Madness

[@newcastleenjoyer69]

Fr music is subjective wth

[@Beautiful_Twisted_Fantasy]

This guy acts so shocked when a music reviewer reviews music 😂 this ain't math, there's no objective best song or album

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

Imagine not thinking there's a problem with Nazis in 2024 😂

[@firstnamelastname7244]

Imagine thinking there isn't a problem with Nazis ever

[@BunnLilah]

That's the part that surprises me lol. I see Kanye fans going "you're coming in biased" and I'm like "YES I AM, I am heavily biased against Nazis, are you not??"

[@jacobtheham4147]

People are upset at his opinions changing overtime which is wild to me. Stanley Kubrick’s the Shining was seen as a bad film by critics when it first came out then later on people are calling it a masterpiece. Idek why this needs explaining.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

critics at the time *hated* Black Sabbath.

[@Phentem2]

When there’s heat against Fantano there will always be his son to cover for him💪😤

[@atidzhetopova5259]

Don't forget Fantano's brother: Logic

[@undercookedtoast1479]

@@atidzhetopova5259i thought logic was is cousin?

[@OldBayHat]

fantano has been into politics for at least 4 years now. I saw a reddit post with him getting asked what he would do if he didnt do music and he said something about politics.

[@zandomedits]

Actually more longer than 4 years

[@Mayflower96]

4 years is crazy. he's practically been political since the start of his channel

[@OldBayHat]

@@Mayflower96 mf he’s been making videos for 14 years

[@mrrowwmeoww]

im pretty sure if i walked up to the average person born in 1985 and played money machine by 100 gecs, they would fucking implode and fantano considers it the 40th best song of the 2010s so i dont get where this "oh he doesnt get the new sounds" stuff comes from.

[@plantain.1739]

This is the musical equivalent of forcing a medieval peasant to eat a Twinkie.

[@drowsyspook3455]

100 gecs is so unbelievably ass

[@sleep6837]

Baffling how far people will go to create some pseudo intellectual bullshit argument as to why Fantano is unnecessary or bad at what he does. Hes a fantastic critic, plain and simple. Whether you like what he has to say is another thing entirely

[@barisharslan6997]

Too many people don't get this. I don't watch Fantano because I agree with all of his opinions. I very much end up disagreeing with a lot of his opinions, which is fine, which is expected. I watch him for the way he talks about music, and because I know his taste/biases I sometimes can tell I won't like something he likes, or vice versa.

[@nevadanate4957]

People ask "what makes your opinion valuable / worth hearing out" and the answer is * because he listens to a ton of music while paying close attention the whole time *. If your next question is "so what?" then you're never going to understand the value of critics.

[@barisharslan6997]

@@nevadanate4957 well said.

[@undercookedtoast1479]

@@barisharslan6997couldn’t say it better. Would take a critic that is open and honest with their biases over a critic that hides them behind psuedo-intellectual “objectivity” any day of the week.

[@DeadSeraphin]

13:01 the funny thing is that Fantano did actually review Dark Sky Paradise in a serious manner in a collaborative video with ARTV, which might be proof that this guy didn't put any thought or effort in his research.

[@EdgeRequiem]

But it wasn't on his channel so it doesn't count 🤓

[@DeadSeraphin]

@@EdgeRequiem I remember him annotating the video back in the day when YT still had them

[@PossumBuddy420]

"It isnt just hardcore Kanye fans that have a problem with Fantano not reviewing the new album" >Proceeds to act like a hardcore Kanye fan for the rest of the video

[@andrewkoster6506]

i have yet to hear anyone upset at Fantano about the Kanye album unless they are a die-hard Kanye rider

[@Meme_Lor]

Bro called antisemitism "antics" 💀

[@maffieduran]

Why is no one else pointing at this?

[@DandyProphet]

the thing that really weirds me out is that a lot of these channels claim that anthony should be taken off his pedestal of authority, when in every video, he says in the description "y'all know this is just my opinion, right?" i've never viewed him as some sort of arbiter of objective truth. you're not going to "dethrone" him by making strawman arguments, you do so by working harder as a critic than him. he holds my attention because i don't know of anyone else willing or able to put in the hours to cover music to the extent that he does.

[@bluejay7090]

"his inability to distinguish art from the artist" meanwhile fantano literally explained why it wasn't possible to a few seconds ago

[@andrewkoster6506]

And even if it was possible, he's well within his rights to choose not to do so. He has no obligation as a reviewer to "separate" the two.

[@Angel_3k]

I like some of hiphop madnesses videos but this video solidified what I’m feeling about hip hop discussion, being that a lot of it is just simply stupid and often unfun to even try and engage in. I’m not the biggest fantano fan but if an argument point against this guy is the fact he sometimes rates albums differently then everyone else then I believe hip hop discussion has really devolved

[@edfed3797]

I remember being 15 listening to TPAB and thinking it was mediocre. The songs had strange rhythms to them and wasn’t what I liked at the time which was mainly just Kanye. Then a year later after listening to GKMC and DAMN I decided to give TPAB a listen again and literally fell in love. The songs made sense, they sounded incredible and I was able to appreciate the album for what it is. Since then I’ve listened to TPAB a dozen times and each listen it gets better and better. We change and music changes with us, I still don’t like death grips I just couldn’t get into them but maybe in a couple years I might or not but that’s just me. Don’t force yourself to like music, you don’t have to agree with Brad, fantano or any music critic. Enjoy the music for you and you only.

[@hello_alpine1693]

"He thinks it's only die-hard Kanye Fans that are bothered by this choice" I mean, he's right, I'm yet to see someone call him out for it that ISN'T a Kanye fan lmao

[@Tocinos]

Eminem blacklisted himself by dropping bad music.

[@Katkus.]

Mtbmb is good…

[@eyecon1189]

@@Katkus.it’s better than kamikaze and revival…that’s all

[@161julia]

@@Katkus. it1s less bad than his worst albums, not good

[@SIKICIBIRKANAL]

@@161julia I never understood the hate. It's probably not an 7/10 but still album was very creative had dope production and beats. If you cut out 4 filler songs that album is at least an 7.5/10 for me. But Eminem is still not for everyone.

[@VectorCake]

@@Katkus. it's overhated. The album is just inconsistent with a great highlight but a bad low light

[@chan_martin]

Bro said Fantano was getting old and out of touch but literally just gave Yeat a high score this year. It’s so funny how heated they get because this guy disagrees with them.

[@CjH02222]

criticizing someone for pandering and also for being a contrarian in the same video is so funny

[@kennethxu1789]

Whole video: ok well it’s almost like perspective and context can change and people can find understanding in things wow

[@carlisborgon]

So basically, they put Fantano on this insanely revered, high pedestal and are now mad at him for being on that pedestal in a way they don't like. Literally fighting ghosts. Insane

[@skybison4481]

The way people take fantanos opinions like a personal attack when he disagrees with them is so weird

[@pizzacrescent1080]

2:35 - "He'll Regrade based on public perception", It's called changing your mind and having a new perspective on an art piece, there's nothing wrong with that. Everybody's opinion changes when time passes whether they see it more positively or negatively, you're not a hypocrite for doing something that's completely normal.

[@nevadanate4957]

Also for every example of "album he didn't like that was popular and now he likes it more" there are other different examples. He has not learned to like Blonde more despite it clearly surviving as a classic in popular opinion. DAMN remains one of the most popular Kendrick albums and he only hates it more over time.

[@aledandrian]

Not to mention he gave MBDTF the same exact score in his re-review after a decade of people hating him for the original

[@shrimpscampin]

I'd take it a step further and argue that it's not necessarily bad to change your opinion based on what people are saying, I've given albums a second chance because of the publics opinion, at the end of the day it's my opinion I ultimately rest on

[@lames232]

Sunnyv2 was a mistake

[@blob_cancel_aftercast]

fantano hate is unironically one of the most cringe things in music discourse because it's basically just synecdoche for the anti-intellectual rejection of all music critique

[@drowsyspook3455]

bros doing tricks on it

[@blob_cancel_aftercast]

@@drowsyspook3455 the whole point of my comment is that it's not just about fantano lmaoo

[@runa_7022]

cant wait for these people to learn that humans can change their opinions- also not the kanye "separate the art from the artist" defence thats taking something thats NOT ABOUT CURRENTLY LIVING ARTISTS - media literacy and common sense is dead i swear 😭😭😭 its embarrassing to hear people say to separate art from artist because theyre literally referencing something incorrectly 😭😭😭😭

[@NIGHT-GAURD]

Brad taste in music is more of a Contrarian then fantano tbh

[@prometheustv6558]

His channel got big because of how much he didn’t like TOP who were huge at the time.

[@andreaseverin1346]

Although to be honest he turned out right on that point, Blyrryface turned out to be controversial and mostly disliked

[@nedisahonkey]

Twenty one pilots has always been like a coldplay or AJR band, no one but their fans thinks they're good and as time goes on they get more and more critically maligned.

[@lucasgoncalves7774]

​@@nedisahonkey Not sure if all three are comparable, a lot of people actually agree Coldplay's first albums are good and they only jumped the shark after, TOP have been slowly growing in the general opinion ever since Trench while AJR are just constantly shat on.

[@mosescamacho1245]

The problem with hip hop video essay channels is that they only listen to rap so they could care less about Fantano’s opinions on any other genre

[@sandenson]

That's fair, though

[@Scarlettttaaaa]

So sad to see Brad have a fallout with his Dad..

[@Goodmorningllllllll]

Bars

[@netwraithh]

THATS CALLED MOTHERFUCKIN BARS

[@jm6406]

Dad Taste In Music

[@Meme_Lor]

Unbelievably based pfp

[@jonatgan8546]

⁠@@LEMOnBRaINn🤓☝️ “i think crinshje ish the word”

[@DoctorTheo]

How will music recover?

[@manboy4720]

how is music gonna get a job now??

[@iCookCrystalMeth]

they can always make a second music

[@eyecon1189]

@@iCookCrystalMethmusic 2

[@RanterInShades]

It's pretty rare that I agree with Fantano, but I learned a long time ago to not overthink it and just let a review be what it is. That's how I am with basically every reviewer I watch, including you (I'm a new subscriber but I've been watching a bunch of your stuff to get a feel for what you do).

[@TheResidence.mp4]

Yeah like, fantano thinks Spellling is amazing and I really tried hard to get her music to click for me, but it never did. I just had to understand that their opinions didn't need to be my own and using them as a springboard to find what I like is good enough

[@mrperson27]

HipHopMadness when Fantano changes his mind:

[@prometheustv6558]

HipHopMadness when Fantano has an opinion:

[@nobodybbm]

I wonder if Fantano is gonna invite HipHopMadness to an online discussion about the video, similar to what he did with Duplee. If he does, I hope HHM actually comes prepared with receipts (I know these receipts don't exist) and is less cringey and unprepared as Duplee was.

[@maxd1541]

Joey Bada$$ was literally joking in that one interview, that was such a terrible example😭

[@nyxmoon23]

where is your review of the new twenty one pilots song, mr twenty one pilots reviewer

[@agollumcalledgandalf]

Mans treating album scores like anime power rankings

[@jamescordensnumber1simp209]

Hiphopmadness, the type of dude to see how the majority of hiphop listeners think about an album before giving his own opinion

[@bananakin94]

I do not understand how anyone can take a god damn music review so seriously and personally. People are way too obsessed with having the “right” opinion. Which is a fruitless endeavour when we’re talking about a subject as subjective as music. No one has “authority” over the discourse of music. And that’s the beauty of it. The fact that Fantano lives rent free inside people’s heads over something as trivial as a music review is hilarious and sad at the same time.

[@papasmayo5615]

One of the biggest problems I have with the video is that with the argument of “women rappers” it takes that label as a genre rather than a thing particular of the artist, in terms of sound, cardi and sexyy are not the same so it’s (for me at least, as a woman) a dishonest comparison. Another thing is that the video doesn’t take in the context that fantano doesn’t only review rap, and listening to other genres will 100% change the perception of other genres.

[@nightrunnerks]

Mfers take music critique too seriously 😭

[@FrankCosbyNo-Relation]

Why do people care so much about someone giving a bad review of music. He's just some guy, if you don't like his opinions then just don't watch his videos 🤷‍♂️

[@Santropez219]

can't believe Fantano ruined Raidiohead😭😭😭

[@lukemacinnes5124]

it's really funny because the video constantly almost makes a fair point then uses it to say something completely insane

[@fireburn264]

I love when online clowns pretend music is an objectivly measured thing like the half life of carbon. I love Brad's brand of positivity and openness to different opinions.

[@gabesinclair1401]

this is wild to watch as someone who went to fantano for music recs in middle/high school and has since fell off from watching him. after the fader came after him, he started vocalizing this staunch political stance and bringing it up in a lot of stuff and i didnt vibe with it. not that i dont agree with what hes saying, i just didnt care to hear it in a review or see his smug ass tweets. now that ive chilled out a little more, it doesnt bother me as much. the guy can have his own opinions on politics or music and present them anyway he wants as a creator. what is wild to me is that in this chronically online time we live in, mfs really put him on a pedastal and act like he is THE guy. fantano has never came out and said “im an authority on hip hop.” hes never said hes an authority on anything. hes a dude who loves music and shares his opinons and has found a way to make a living off of it, and thats pretty cool to see, even if you dont agree with everything he says. i cant imagine sitting down and being a guy who loves rap music and makes content about the industry, making an exposé about how an internet critic giving his opinon on a shitty kanye album is indicative of them falling from grace. people like this just do anything for clicks, its kinda sad.

[@cbtalks6966]

"He's such a bad and unnecesary critic, just look at how much I disagree with him"

[@BoneSoldier666]

the mac miller stuff they talked about in that video drives me up the wall lmao because the order of events makes sense! mac tragically passes, the first post death release makes fantano cry and that makes the music click! that makes so much sense lmao

[@myaxalienn]

“Proceed with caution” tf you mean? He’s a guy reviewing songs not a feral animal 💀

[@EntourageBand_]

I actually became a fan of swimming after circles. I feel like that album recontextualizes it

[@hrisafenio]

video essays are so funny bc 90% of the time theyre uninformed (often misinformed) with a startling lack of nuance and then they have 1.3 million views and people take it as textbook information bc it was presented as fact

[@shanegallagher3524]

this guy criticised fantano for being both a contrarian and for changing his scores to go along with the crowd. which is it

[@Phished123]

somehow he changed the rating on Mac because he was riding the waves of public opinion, but hes also a contrarian? make it make sense.

[@andrewkoster6506]

AI scriptwriter.

[@BonBonthe2nd]

"You know we had to get the BRADIGANS in here! YO 'TANO I GOTCHU!" - Brad Taste in Music

[@balintnemes6774]

Why did HHM's video feel AI generated?

[@juvenilia_in_hell]

this is the content mill era

[@andrewkoster6506]

Because it was. It contradicts itself in obvious ways, it censors words that no real human would censor ("crap"), and most importantly, it's slop garbage.

[@gartet1]

I feel like looking for “contradictions” or inconsistencies in fantano’s scores as a way of showing his diminishing credibility is just kinda odd. He talks about some of the scores as if there is a “right” answer. How do you have credibility when it comes to opinions of art, which is always subjective? I’ve always gone to critics like fantano or brad for interesting recommendations and they’ve always delivered. It’s just kind of irrelevant to me whether he gave sexy red a higher score than a Kendrick album. I wouldn’t have done that, but who the hell cares. It’s an opinion.

[@BT405]

this the kinda dude that asks a bunch of girls to "rate him" back in like middle school and has sleepless nights trying to figure out why other guys could have possible gotten a higher score than him 💀like jesus christ bro how do you care so much about this

[@christinathein951]

I feel like once an artists has more than 1 album in their discography, it becomes perfectly acceptable to review subsequent albums with some sort of regard to their previous work, and possibly taking any aspect of their entire discography into consideration towards score/review of the current album. If an artist previously had scored 8+ on multiple albums, and they release an album that simply does not live up to previous works, that should be taken into consideration for the review of the current album, possibly giving it a lower score because we expected more or possibly giving it a higher score because the artists took a chance, tried something new, or their artistic vision still shines through.

[@AsmallShark2001]

Oh dam I was hoping this was gonna be a vid but didn't know that was actually gonna happen, nice

[@F66x]

"Literally unalived his bandmate" I think we should "unalive" the word "unalive"

[@emisdabest5866]

i love branch taste in munich videos

[@ileutur6863]

My only actual problem with Fantano are his metal reviews. For other genres, he seems to really dive deep into the instrumentation, arrangements and overall vibe, but for metal he sounds like he only listens to half the album and only cares about how heavy and abrasive it is. Listen to most of his prog reviews, he sounds utterly disinterested the moment metal gets complex and nuanced

[@eyecon1189]

I personally think it’s because he doesn’t know enough about metal to be able to give a full diagnosis on the sound and production

[@ileutur6863]

@@eyecon1189 As far as I know, he listened to a ton of it and even played bass in a metal band

[@eyecon1189]

@@ileutur6863 ah…well I feel silly lol. Well then idk why he doesn’t go into it that much then.

[@nevadanate4957]

TBF seems like he has a huge overarching problem with how most modern metal is produced and has specifically cited the progressive metal scene. So maybe it's a problem that goes beyond the instrumentation and composition.

[@pentexsucks43]

His meshuggah reviews are abysmal. Especially his Koloss review. Such a dense and technical album, and he praises it so much and gave it a 6 in the end, it feels so off with how he described it. It really does feel like his metal reviews are structured weirdly