How Paul Created Christianity--His [Mis]Appropriation of Four Hebrew Bible Texts

In this interview with KZbin host Derek Lambert ‪@MythVisionPodcast‬ I put forth my thesis that Paul created a new religion that became known as Christianity by taking four texts from the Hebrew Bible and interpreting them in ways totally foreign to their contextual meanings. I fully realize that interpretations of sacred texts among Jewish groups in the late 2nd Temple period vary widely--and a diversity of methods are evident that have little to do with embedded narrative contexts. However, these four particular texts involve an entirely new construct in Paul's hands--one that I believe would have been quite foreign to John the Baptizer, Jesus himself, or to his Jerusalem followers led by his brother James--the triad of founders of the movement. In fact, in the New Testament letter we know now as "James," these very issues are addressed explicitly.

[@benhartlieb6018]

Hey dude, I'm loving this channel lately. Eating up every minute of Dr Tabor. Thx for making this content, it's funny how niche it isn't, lol! These are my people.

[@asdaisy7759]

So interesting and informative. Thank you Dr. Tabor

[@brandonmass3787]

Thanks for this wise perspective on the subject, Dr. Tabor. And thank you, Derrek, for the beautiful video, with flawless audio and gorgeous video and your talent for being such a gracious host. Top-Notch video!

[@kathrynburgess7836]

I'm so happy to finally have found people who validate and explain what I have felt for years xx

[@robertdavidson8028]

I suggest you read Jesus from Outer space by Richard Carrier - an American Ancient philosopher who originally specialised in Greco-Roman culture but was asked to research material that led him to discover a great deal about western asian culture and religion as well. The book I mentioned above is the layman's version of his scholarly work On the Historicity of Christ, which is, as you might expect, very erudite, but not a very easy read, having to tick all the boxes required of Academicians - I know, I bought a copy. He also does know something ( or more than something) about the other Abrahamic religions. Imo it's worth watching some or more of his Yt videos as well.

[@burningneutron6884]

Even as a young Christian I noticed the stark difference what Jesus taught and what Paul taught. I didn’t know what to do with it though and thought it was probably just me not knowing enough or missing something but it kept me confused. So I really appreciate these videos, helping me to sort these things out. I’m agnostic now but I still enjoy learning about something I’ve spent half my life trying desperately to understand so I could be saved.

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

I think Paul is the Antichrist the church is waiting for in the future. It was only in the future when Jesus spoke of it. He said all of it would happen before every of the 12 apostles had died.

[@Zxuma]

That’s not how you get saved, according to Paul. You do not get saved by understanding the Jewish literature, but by a supernatural miracle in which Yahweh exchanges your dead soul for his living spirit. You have a new spirit. This new spirit makes you have the mind of Yahweh, the Jewish deity. And only then will you understand the things of the spirit like the Hebrew writings. Capiche?

[@tongakhan230]

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him: “Go! because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel. 16 For I will show him plainly how many things he must suffer for my name.” How could Jesus' appointee Paul teach contrary doctrines to what Jesus taught. Any examples?

[@hattienicholson1356]

I'm

[@Word77787]

gentile Christians are not under the law of Moses The torah is clear that it is written ONLY to the Nation of Israel.

[@laserbera19]

I need to watch this more than once, thx for sharing!

[@calanm7880]

KZbin served this up as I was preparing my Xmas meal for tomorrow. 2 years ago I'd have run to switch it off with my floury hands lol, whereas tonight I was captivated and this brought me joy .... so much I've never considered or seen, helping me see all this with new open eyes. It played straight after the Xmas eve service livestream from my old church which listened to out of sentimentalism ... so was perfect timing 👌 😆

[@waitstill7091]

The internet is to us, like the telescope was to Galileo.

[@johnnyxmusic]

So you were Xuslim all along?

[@elizabeth_777]

Thank you Dr. Tabor🥰

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

Ah, yes, Paul, the Shyster of Tarsus: King Herod’s own cousin.

[@karleemiles2988]

Historical context and source?🤔

[@SixSevenPodcast]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@karleemiles2988 late reply - but you should look into the work of Robert Eisenman who is a renowned scholar and largely key for us having the Dead Sea scrolls today. He puts a tremendous amount of effort into clarifying Paul’s family tree, replete with Herodian ties (and yes, he’s a cousins of the residing Herod at the time - which he admits both indirectly (in Romans) and via his own associations several places elsewhere. Dr Tabor himself also puts a lot of info out on this. As does Doug @jesuswordsonly … plenty of context exists to clarify the sheister of tarsus

[@Erfan]

Bart Ehrman , Charles Freeman, Ali Ataie, Reza Aslan. Ahmed Deedat had been saying this decades ago as well 🤣

[@questioneverything8876]

About to read Galatians and consider myself better armed with a clearer perspective to understanding the text.I will be buying the book.

[@muzezeum]

Hello Mr Gabor, I suppose you don't take questions, but I was wondering your thoughts on the Moffatt Bible.

[@Wonton_Tom24]

These are some of the most interesting interviews on KZbin and I’m not religious

[@robertdavidson8028]

try Richard Carrier for even more interest imho.

[@FOBob-sr1fd]

NOTE: Nothing against any other Christian Church! This discussion has been helpful. I was raised in high church Anglican and the Roman Catholic environments. I always had trouble reconciling church doctrine (based on Paul) with Jesus' own message. Dr. Tabor has cleared up the fog in my mind and has guided me back to the original concept of Jesus.

[@edwardkuenzi5751]

The problem is the accounts of Jesus we have were written after Paul and heavily influenced by him and others. You might be able to tease out some of the original Jesus, but I don't think its enough to base any sort of faith around.

[@hassanmirza2392]

@@edwardkuenzi5751 maybe you can read Qur'an.

[@muzezeum]

​@@StevenE1972 how? if you'd plz explain...

[@edwardwalsh5477]

You should be unable to reconcile the two messages. If you should do so you'd have a mess! These are two different messages to two different peoples one from God (Jesus) and the other from God's one apostle (Saul > Paul) to the World - you and me, our parents and our children. Jesus came to offer the KINGDOM to ISRAEL as had been prophesied for centuries but the Jewish leaders rejected His offer repeatedly. The prescribed conduct for Jews was to repent and be baptized (Peter in Acts at Pentecost) AND to bring sacrifices to the temple for the priests to offer on his behalf and do good works such as helping victims of violence (Luke 10) or donating wealth to the needs of the poor. PAUL on the other hand (sent by God to the Gentiles, i.e. the World, not limited to Israel), delivers a brand-new message (a mystery), preaching from the standpoint of a post-cross state (Jesus paid it all for all - I Jn 2:2) offers salvation without repentance and without water baptism (God baptizes believers with the Holy Spirit Titus 3:5-6) enabled purely by God's grace without ANY acts of righteousness by the convert who had been hopelessly enslaved by sin. Instead, conduct of even the believer is less than completely holy, so repentance becomes appropriate in life AFTER, not preceding rebirth. Water baptism may be performed purely as a testimony to the transformation from enemy-of-God to son-of-God. (Rom. 6)

[@70AD-user45]

Nobody "created" Christianity. The Hebrews spoke of "this age, and the age to come". An "age" is covenantal language meaning out of the Old Covenant age of Israel, and into the New Covenant age of the Church. Christianity was already predestined to come by prophecies made by the Hebrew prophets. Christianity was the fulfillment of the Old Covenant promises made to Old Covenant Israel. It was all about FULFILLMENT of the Old Covenant law and prophets. Tabor seems to think St.Paul "created" Christianity. WRONG! St.Paul's task was to spread the Gospel out to all nations. His task was fulfilled. Tabor still has got a lot of learning to do to find the truth.

[@Robert_L_Peters]

This is fantastic and useful, thank you

[@AZ-kr6ff]

Just like the bible itself!

[@Robert_L_Peters]

@@AZ-kr6ff well, like half of it anyway...

[@markusmiekk-oja3717]

James Tabor, what is your opinion on E.P. Sanders' understanding of Paul? I find his arguments fairly convincing, but they seem to conflict a little bit with yours. I have to admit I have not been following the field of pauline studies closely and thus it's entirely possible his views are a really tiny minority view or have been convincingly refuted. Still, your opinion would be interesting to hear!

[@patriciaoudart1508]

Who is that guy? What are his arguments?... James Tabor is about fact, not conviction, comparing texts from this time is evidence not speculation! This is the work from Pr Tabor, years after years we listen here.

[@stevenv6463]

Wow I have never made the connection between Akiva's prayer about thanking God for not being a gentile or a woman, etc and Paul's statement there is no man nor woman, greek nor jew, slave nor free. Good work Derek.

[@russellmillar7132]

Yeah everybody always thinks it was Paul. But John was the mind behind most of their hits.

[@clinchleatherwood1012]

Are you saying that most Christians reference John instead of Paul's writings? If so, I've come to the same conclusion simply bc the author of John is clearly saying that Jesus is God. 90% of the God posts I see on my friends social media are verses from John.

[@russellmillar7132]

@@clinchleatherwood1012 Sorry, I was talking about John Lennon and Paul McCartney. It was a joke. But if Jesus was (is) God, then God (who gave his only begotten son....) sacrificed God to God...right? But if Jesus was (is) human then we have another religion based on human sacrifice...right?

[@clinchleatherwood1012]

@@russellmillar7132 😄😄As a musician I appreciate your joke. Also I agree with your view on Christianity.

[@kooringagnd]

​@@russellmillar7132 that would be John Lennon the wife beater, womanizer and all deadbeat Dad? Sorry but Paul was the better musician.

[@russellmillar7132]

@@kooringagnd That is all also true, I've read. And, fair enough if that's your view.

[@peteodonnell6219]

Sir Who did Paul write letters to ?

[@GravityBoy72]

Jesus forgot to tell James his brother and the Jerusalem crowd that their way is irrelevant and someone will come along in a few years and change everything. Someone who claims Jesus spoke to him in a vision. Claims like that (God is speaking to them but you can't hear him, just do what I tell you... Muhammed, Joseph Smith...) are as old as the hills and still going on.

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

Deuteronomy 13 says exactly how to approach someone like Paul

[@tongakhan230]

James was Jesus' half brother. What exactly did Jesus forget to tell James, if I may be bold enough to ask?

[@GravityBoy72]

@@tongakhan230 That James' version of Christianity would be irrelevant and some visionary would come along and change everything. Pretty big oversight by Jesus. Also "half brother"... I'd like to see your evidence for that. Or is that just your interpretation? Everyone is their own Pope it seems.

[@tongakhan230]

@@GravityBoy72 : James -Son of Joseph and Mary, and half brother of Jesus. (Mr 6:3; Ga 1:19) Although not an apostle, it was evidently this James who was an overseer of the Christian congregation at Jerusalem (Ac 12:17) and who wrote the Bible book bearing his name. (Jas 1:1) He may have been next to Jesus in age, being the first named of Mary’s four natural-born sons: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas. (Mt 13:55). However, after the death of Jesus and prior to Pentecost 33 C.E., James was assembled for prayer together with his mother, brothers, and the apostles in an upper chamber in Jerusalem. (Ac 1:13, 14) It was evidently to this James that the resurrected Jesus appeared personally, as reported at 1 Corinthians 15:7, so convincing this onetime nonbeliever that He was indeed the Messiah.

[@GravityBoy72]

@@tongakhan230 Sorry... that's BROTHER... there is no "half". Also James and the actual life-time followers of Jesus still believed that the Law and circumcision were important. Jesus forgot to tell them it wasn't? But along comes Paul with his "vision" and a different religion. And Paul... hypocrite that he was went along with James' request to do the temple ritual (just before his arrest) to show the Jerusalem people he still followed the Jewish law. And he did. If you don't want to see the division between the Jewish Christians and Paul that's your problem. Its absolutely there and Galatians 2.12 shows it all in it's glory.

[@cyndydejoy6129]

Amazing! Thank you 👏👏👊👍🙏

[@ronashman8463]

Thank you James for your never ending publicity about Paul and Jesus. You and Tovia reach people we do not. "All publicity is good publicity. "

[@ransizzles]

The reality is is what we call Chrisitianty today is actually based on the gnosticism of Paul. Paul was a initiiate of the gnostic mysteries and what Chrsiitanity is today is largely based on his particlar interpretation of the gnostic mysteries with was mostly based on faith than knowledge

[@arulraj2696]

Wonderful talk show , I never miss Dr.Tabor thesis.

[@littlerascal5150]

THIS is the answer about tsadik that I had searched for such a long time, and my search lead me to the true history and to eventually leave the camp. THANK YOU for finally answering my first, and last, question professor Tabor!

[@TaxEvasi0n]

Tabor is claiming there is an incongruence within the text by Paul. To analyse these fallacies, we will see that faith must always come before righteousness, otherwise righteousness is in vain. This concept is easily outlined in Hebrews: Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. The notion that righteousness comes before faith is absurd in and of itself, because you cannot have righteousness without knowing who or what God is; it is no longer righteousness. Only then when you know who God is, are you capable of being righteous before God. Tabor also misses a key part to Habakkuk 2:4 “Behold, he whose soul is not upright in him shall fail, but the righteous shall live by his faith”. His faith. The passage only tells us that a man shall live by his faith, his trust in Gods plan. This is in no way contradictory to Romans 1:17. Paul also mentions in Heb 10:38 “Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him”. Paul is not contradicting himself or Habakkuk. MythVision Podcast brings up the Book of James with the concept that works is needed for faith. This is also a huge misunderstanding in modern Christianity that works is somehow following the law. We see clearly in James 2:21-23 “Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest though how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the friend of God”. If you have faith in God, then you will live in congruence to His will, as seen in James 2:21-23 expression of Abrahams sacrifice of Isaac. Abraham was justified by his works. Would he have done it if there was no belief in Gods plan? Belief in God comes first. Acting in congruence to Gods will can only come after to faith and belief in God, it is absurd to say it comes first. The equation to faith and works equals righteousness. Book of James only highlights that the belief in God alone means nothing, it is dead. Hebrews is important because it tells us that the law has been put to rest by the last sacrifice, the perfect lamb of God; Jesus Christ for how he died without sin. Jesus overcame death. Christ is now part of faith. There is Old Testament faith which included the law, now there is New Testament faith which excludes the law, this is all part of the gospel message. Faith and works goes hand in hand, I already explained that. The law has no bearing within the New Testament, you don’t have to believe in the New Testament but at least get the story correct. I don’t know how or why James Tabor or even MythVision Podcast cannot comprehend such simple concepts. But I guess most Christians don’t understand the gospel so how can I blame these guys. I'm not even going to analyse the seed part. James Tabor is clearly ignorant on the gospel.

[@Aliali-vc3pk]

What bullshit you are on about 😅

[@TaxEvasi0n]

@@Aliali-vc3pk Can't argue with your sound argument, full of undeniable points backed up with facts, logic, rationality and cultural hermeneutics! I should just delete my comment, because you've surely destroyed my position so gracefully with sheer intellect. Good job, man! Are you running for president? The world could surely do with such intelligence at the forefront of leadership. With your smarts, no issue is too great to overcome.

[@silencercat1]

Faith without evidence is an extremely dangerous and a lazy way to think, if you can even call it thinking. Why don't you start reading other books for a change, expand your mind. There is so much more to learn than all that pushy stuff in the Bible.

[@peterrabbit1054]

Does anyone know when the gospels first appeared in the historical record??

[@enzocimoli8776]

Why does KZbin keep barging in every other minute with an ad - making the program almost impossible to watch? A few here and there, OK. But every other minute???

[@enzocimoli8776]

Whatever KZbin advertises here - I will never purchase! Maybe that's what we all need to tell KZbin whenever they drown us in ads.

[@3r2w1c]

Faith without works is dead. Show me your faith without works, and I'll show you my faith, by my works.

[@simonskinner1450]

Paul agrees with James in Romans, as he says the just shall live by faith, so they must prove their faith, and only doers of the law shall be justified.

[@johntiggleman4686]

James said as much "Faith without (the) works (of the Law) is dead." Works does not mean what most think..

[@3r2w1c]

@@johntiggleman4686 Perhaps, visiting widows and orphans in their affliction and keeping yourself unspotted from the world?

[@simonskinner1450]

@@johntiggleman4686 Wrong. Faith without good works is dead, today context is doing good works in faith. Works of the law are transgressions of the law, as Romans 3:20, which is the definition and imputation of sin. Paul is saying in Romans and Galatians simply that by sin no man is justified in the sight of God. I have a Ytube video series called 'Myths in so-called Christianity', and the #1 of 25 is grace is unmerited, which is not reasoned in Romans 11:6.

[@simonskinner1450]

@@3r2w1c Those my friend are good works, but works of the law are transgressions or sin. Works of the law are not attempts to work salvation, they are the opposite, and partly why 'Christianity' has grace as unmerited. You may like to watch my Ytube 'Myths in so-called Christianity', as my #1 of 25 so far is Paul proving grace is merited.

[@margaretgrant1109]

Very interesting channel.

[@mikev4621]

But does Paul recommend that the law regarding non-muzzling of oxen be done away with ? or not be observed so strictly? Maybe he is saying that the law should definitely be observed, but that we shift the emphasis of its value from the animal's welfare to our own : ie it is not good for our spiritual health to see animals mistreated?

[@raycosmic9019]

Faith = Faithful to the Truth. The Word of Truth is ever faithful (loyal, true, isomorphic) to Reality (That which is/That I am).

[@dynamic9016]

The apostle Paul wasn't easy at all..Quite an interesting person was he..

[@tayrowell]

Outstanding!

[@carolinenorman6141]

Kindness is EVERYTHING 🌹🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧

[@benhartlieb6018]

I've listened to a lot of Dr Tabor and by now usually I've heard this person's schtich. Like Graham Hancock or Jordan Peterson. Fascinating ideas but they start to repeat themselves. Dr Tabor keeps hitting us with revolutionary things, imo. Especially for lifelong readers of the New Testament.

[@sia9907]

Peterson doesn't have any original insights. Tabor does. That's the difference.

[@atgred]

‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬-‭18 “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.” ‬

[@xifangyangren9997]

If Tabor gets to heaven before I depart this world, I hope he gives me visions. Because I’ll miss his KZbin videos!

[@bludgeoncorpinc.6768]

Great discussion. Thank you.

[@benhartlieb6018]

Oh! Here's what I need: Dr Tabor to share Paul's gospel with us like Paul would. What does righteousness by faith mean to Paul? How does he justify it? What problem does it solve? How does he anticipate the arguments of more traditional Jews, including Jewish Christians. Need that.

[@WeCube1898]

Jewish-Christians ???

[@jezah8142]

​@@WeCube1898messianic Jews maybe ?

[@Dude0000]

Wasn’t the Temple in Jerusalem destroyed 40 years after Jesus death and resurrection? That can’t be a coincidence, right?

[@paistebob3163]

Absolutely great insights! Every Christian should study under Dr Tabor.

[@tongakhan230]

This prophecy is being fulfilled. 2 Timothy 4:3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories. Basically it foretells that the gullible will hang onto teachers who tell them WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. Never the TRUTH. Always CHECK!

[@allanwilliams2079]

@@tongakhan230 Well reported Tonga; If he was to be studied under by every Christian, then the bible will surely be carrying his name written among the words that it currently holds.

[@thomasmattson2389]

I enjoyed your discussion. Some thoughts, maybe Paul found that he did not have faith, but was following the law, and after seeing Jesus, he then found faith, and with it he realised that was what mattered. Unless Abraham had preexisting faith without knowing God, which I find difficult to understand, but Abraham was rather impressive, I would think Abraham through faith and understanding be came righteous. So my guess is that Paul understands that without faith you have nothing even if you follow the law., yet Paul understood that the law is a gift, and without it evil could not have been condemned, and God could not show us his mercy. Your one large mistake is this. One seed vs many. From Chabd, Jewish sect, from their bible. Genesis 3:15 "And I shall place hatred between you and between the woman, and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel. and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel." Here is the hebrwe form the Jewis hbible. וְאֵיבָ֣ה | אָשִׁ֗ית בֵּֽינְךָ֙ וּבֵ֣ין הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה וּבֵ֥ין זַֽרְעֲךָ֖ וּבֵ֣ין זַרְעָ֑הּ ה֚וּא יְשֽׁוּפְךָ֣ רֹ֔אשׁ וְאַתָּ֖ה תְּשׁוּפֶ֥נּוּ עָקֵֽב: " Also you left out “the Woman” Eve committed the greatest sin in the bible. She corrupted Adam after knowing the consequences of her sin. The woman is Mary. Jesus’s mother. Mary from the age of three consecrated herself to the temple. A perpetual virgin. Joseph was provided to her by the temple Rabbi’s to be her guardian. “He will crush your head.” Singular. This can only be Jesus, since this is perpetual, and only the Messiah would do this. And again singular, From Chabad: Psalm 45: 7-8 “Your throne, O judge, [will exist] forever and ever; the scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom. 8You loved righteousness and you hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, anointed you with oil of joy from among your peers.” You als oforgot Isaiah 53, which I know is one of your favorite discussion based upon the dead sea scroll. " from the Dead sea scroll. It differs from Chabad.org. The main issue is this 53:11 "from the labor of his soul, he will see light and he will be satisfied..” The ESV translates the received text “he will see” (יִרְאֶה yir’eh).The metaphor “to see light” refers to having life." Isaiah 53 4Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed. 5But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed." So Yeshua bore the sins. Next in Isaiah 53 6We all went astray like sheep, we have turned, each one on his way, and the Lord accepted his prayers for the iniquity of all of us. 7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he would not open his mouth; like a lamb to the slaughter he would be brought, and like a ewe that is mute before her shearers, and he would not open his mouth. 8 From imprisonment and from judgment he is taken, and his generation who shall tell? For he was cut off from the land of the living; because of the transgression of my people, a plague befell them." Again showing he died for the peoples sins. "10And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul makes itself restitution, he shall see children, he shall prolong his days, and God's purpose shall prosper in his hand." Next11From the toil of his soul he would see, he would be satisfied; with his knowledge My servant would vindicate the just for many, and their iniquities he would bear. 12Therefore, I will allot him a portion in public, and with the strong he shall share plunder, because he poured out his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors." So he died, and came back to life, and he had descends who he saved. This seems obvious. Proving singular not seeds, not t osay the plural existed for the Jewish people, but they as the world did as well screwed up, and God the Father fixed the world for those that asked for his mercy. And only God is perfect, so only God could save us. The Ox thing was Paul comparing himself to the Ox. Not exactly a put down for the Ox or animals. And remember the end thing that Jesus said the people of that generation would be killed, and Danial 9 24:26 said after the anointed is killed that the temple would be destroyed that the Holy of Holies would be decorated, and that the flood would come, meaning everyone would be killed. This all happened after Jesus was crucified. Bride of Crist means this. God is the only masculine, everything else is feminine and everyone does the will of God not their own. And since God is masculine, he saved us since we could not save ourselves. Also men are to lead the house and live for his wife, and the if the man deserves respect then the wife should give it, and to show the husband that God is above all, then through her devotion to the husband she shows the husband the error of his ways. Woman are rather impressive. Have a great day.

[@tomrhodes1629]

GOD's prophet speaks: I disagree with James Tabor on countless points, but he is correct on this one, which has corrupted most all of orthodox Christianity. When GOD says "good news" GOD means GOOD NEWS! And if you want it, along with the Meaning of Life and the answer to all major mysteries, click and ye shall find. Elijah has returned, as prophesied. I communicate only through my sites.

[@allanwilliams2079]

@@tomrhodes1629 God's prophet is one to whom he has spoken, in a dream or vision; can you say if the prophet you have referred to, as having spoken, was spoken to, by God, in a dream or vision??

[@DivineMisterAdVentures]

03:30m STUNNING slap down of Rabbinical Homily.

[@Encyclicals]

I want to be gentle here. But to what degree are the errors you see in Paul result from erroneous Protestant interpretation errors? It seems like Tabor and the host are starting with a false understanding of Paul, and then putting the burden of error on Paul.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

The forged verses in 2 Peter (assuming the rest is genuine) 3:15-16: "Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contains some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, just as they do other Scripture, to their own destruction." 🙄 Yet as Dr. James Tabor here, and Rabbis Tovia Singer and Michael Sokolov elsewhere have shown, Paul himself was distorting those scriptures!

[@ChristopherCudworth]

I maintain that even after his transformative experience, his originally legalistic desire for control was never relinquished. He just took a friendlier approach because he knew that being an asshole didn’t win converts.

[@carolinenorman6141]

Oh you made me laugh I recently said to God I dont like Paul and Moses .I often think the gospel would have been a bit Peace Man without Paul he had his Pharisee days .I worked in the fashion industry all my life and met many gay people I loved them I'm a bit pissed of about legalism in the church it only made me feel bad about myself 🌹🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧

[@ljones98391]

@ChristopherCudworth. Woah. I never put together the idea of Paul's entitled position of favorite student of Gamiel, him being a Pharisee, son of a Pharisee, and a privileged Roman citizen as likely also giving him a feeling of justified power and legalism. I've been struggling for several years since coming to faith with what comes across as arrogance and self-righteousness of what I have come to call American Churchianity. Your statement was an eye opener. TU.

[@geezermann7865]

Paul was called for a reason, and it wasn't to establish the false religion of "christianity". He followed the example of the Messiah and kept the Feast Days and Holy Days and the Sabbaths as Yahweh commanded, and as ALL the disciples did.

[@ChristopherCudworth]

@@carolinenorman6141 Christianity is quite adept at ignoring its conflicted nature. That is clear from the get-go. It emanated from a teacher in Jesus who reportedly said that the "meek shall inherit the earth" and yet to this day it is power-hungry manipulators that control the top tiers of the religion across a spectrum of legalistic denominations. It's almost as if they never heard Jesus speak at all. And thank you, Paul, for reminding us all of that.

[@ChristopherCudworth]

@@ljones98391 When I first heard about Paul battling with Jesus' brother James over the structure and direction of the religion, I was stunned. We all "learn" that Paul had this vision from Jesus himself, and that all the letters from Paul to different communities were God-inspired. Certainly Paul was a genius in many respects. His writings were exceptional. But that's true of many such "men of God." They still have flaws. Martin Luther was a noted anti-Semitic, for example. While his reformation of the Catholic Church freed people from the onerous tactics of purgatory and indulgences, it did not "cure" the religion of its legalistic tendencies. In fact, much like Paul, the Protestant movement claimed for itself the mantle of God, and then turned into its own form of legalism with literalism, inerrancy and infallibility leading the way, and astray. Now we're dealing with two evils: the arrogance of the Catholic Church in its conservative forms...claiming it owns absolute authority over Christianity...while Protestant and evangelical spinoff fight for power through political means. In modern parlance, Christianity is a "hot mess" at once in love with itself yet rife with self-loathing of known and unknown origins. I've written books about this history and its outcomes. My current book is here: www.amazon.com/Honest-Goodness-Christianity-Reality-Happen-ebook/dp/B0B5B69SLS/ref=sr_1_1?crid=238VZ100Q2IUI&keywords=Honest-to-Goodness+christopher+cudworth&qid=1656618606&sprefix=honest-to-goodness+christopher+cudworth%2Caps%2C75&sr=8-1

[@glennshrom5801]

In Paul, we understand even today that we are going to have that great transformation, so we should not be concerned in the present age about whether we are slave or free, male or female, etc. The idea did not only make sense if Jesus had come back forty years after his resurrection; it still makes perfect sense today, and for the same reasons Paul said.

[@danpictish5457]

Sometimes texts ( Old testament) can have muliple meanings: present, future and prophetic utterances!

[@stewartthomas4193]

Mathew 23 13-31. Leonardo da Vinci said " The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions " Plato shared with us wisdom he learnt from Egypt, wisdom that was a death sentence in Greece, Rome (Christianity) ..Pythagoras, Socrates and later Hypatia of Alexandria. Plato in his dialogue " The Republic " tells the parable of " The Cave " Plato starts by telling us of prisoners being held in a underground den, let us examine this den via the geometry of Bernhard Riemann and Felix Klein..Klein bottle..3rd and 4th dimensions. Plato tells us that the prisoners are bound up unable to move their heads, let us examine this bondage via the psychology of Erich Fromm..socialisation of consciousness..aware-unaware. Plato tells us that the prisoners mistake shadows for substance, let us examine this mistake via the philosophy of Thales, Hume and Kant..synthetic a priori judgement..not thing in itself. Plato tells us that one of the prisoners is released, let us examine this release via the wisdom of T Lobsang Rampa..stilling the mind and conscious astral travel..leaving the cave/body.Plato tells us that the prisoners will reject this release, let us examine this rejection via the psychology of Stockholm Syndrome..Plato quotes Homer..forgive them for they know not what they say. Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds. Mathew 23 13 31.

[@RichRocketMan]

Hi, Stewart. Your comment intrigues me. How do you relate this idea of "men's minds creating their own prisons" with the Bible? Do you believe the Bible, and all of our attempts to understand it, twist us into a pretzel? Should we avoid trying to figure it out and only rely on exactly what Jesus supposedly said? Or do you believe we should walk away from such a confusing text?

[@ralandtuttle2448]

According to Chabad, Habakkuk 2 is associated with the coming of Messiah. He is the vision. Though "He "we will wait. Rambam also agrees that he who does not wait "tarry" for messiah denies torah and Moses. I feel we have at least a dual meaning. I really appreciate your comments.

[@edwardpearce9668]

Paul Pearce 10h · Shared with Your friends Friday, 27 May 2022 9:39 am TORN APART FROM THE AVE OF EVE Did you go down to the lake from above and sing the song that came to you from the dove Have you ever known where true calamity lies Where, how and when, evil dies When all is dead and you see Here I stand there you be It’s a spear, it’s a scythe to be in hand to be alive Thus, the tormentors writhe And to say 'if' when you speak Oh, say he, how so weak It's well and truly said Living In The Dead Taken by surprise, unto your demise Unwavering consumption of her lies Raging elephants' combatants rife How Herodius is thou wife The rhino stamps out the fire Unaware all is controlled by the liar He is taking it to the limit All asunder their lives commit Again, I take my hand in you Trustfully enlisted amoung the few (Socrates: a wonder of his own compass) Copyright Paul Pearce All Rights Reserved 2022

[@WBFbySteefen]

So, given Matthew 5:18 (I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth pass away not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter will pass from the law until everything takes place.) pillars of Pauline Christianity are FLAWED ! ! ! - Steve Campbell, author of Historical Accuracy (three books on the historical accuracy and historical context of the bible)

[@ninatrabona4629]

In a discussion on Islamic norms concerning marriage, I learned tnat very young women who had just begun to menstruate could join the house of a high-status man and be considered married to him though the marriage would not be consummated at that time. There were definite rights and requirements in marriage. for both parties, often written out. A modern day Jewish wedding under the Huppah canopy is an actual signing of an actual physical contract. The groom must defend and protect the bride. It is understood. So, being a bride of Jesus probably meant being protected by Jesus as a member of his household.

[@patriciaoudart1508]

🙏💚🧡😱James, an idea is going throught time in me. Where were the Jewish texts, library where Jesus and Apostles, Paul, were finding their references to past?.... I think the Temple complex, but so Jerusalem was a center of very old knowledge, about history, philosophy about the Faith, but also old prediction, sciences, All a particular knowledge, around the Torah knowledge. So they were able to meet on the stairs of the Temple, after have studied some of the documents, creating a weapon against corruption of the temple, the elites in power outside. In that, some missing voices were not leaders but were able to discuss about Wisdom, some as Mary, as a mother were perhaps prohibited to enter inside the Temple?... Had she learnt to read?, But I think she were there, on the stairs, and her advice was listened attentively. Paul meeting with the group, were not very interested by her, but more about his proper vision to glue it to the Jesus story narrative. So, I remember you went on those stairs, and I got the image, and for me, up to those stairs, inside the temple, how many history by text have been lost, that founded the Jesus group knowledge..... 😱🙏

[@tongakhan230]

The scripture texts were to be found in the synagogues. Paul was a Rabbi. He had studied them. Luke 4:16  (Jesus) then went to Nazʹa·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and STOOD UP TO READ. 17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and HE OPENED THE SCROLL and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free, 19 to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.” 20 With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him. 21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

[@proudpharisee5303]

@@tongakhan230 he says he was a rabbi

[@tongakhan230]

@@proudpharisee5303 : Paul when known as Saul, was instrumental in getting letters from the High Priest to destroy all Jesus' disciples. He could only do so if he was someone with authority himself. The historian Luke writes, Acts 22:1 “Men, brothers and fathers, hear my defense to you now.” 2 Well, when they heard that he was addressing them in the HEBREW LANGUAGE, they kept all the more silent, and he said: 3 “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Ci·liʹcia, but EDUCATED in this city at the feet of Ga·maʹli·el, instructed according to the strictness of the ancestral Law, and zealous for God just as all of you are this day. 4  I PERSECUTED THIS WAY (ie Christianity) TO THE POINT OF DEATH, binding and handing over to prisons both men and women, 5 as the HIGH PRIEST and all the assembly of elders CAN BEAR WITNESS. Paul had been educated in the Rabbinical schools by Gamaliel, who was a renowned educator and Rabbi.

[@proudpharisee5303]

@@tongakhan230 how do you know any of that is true?

[@tongakhan230]

@@proudpharisee5303 : How do we know that Moses ever lived? We go by the eyewitness and historical records.

[@matthewkay1327]

Either James is too polite or I am too dense. They didn't seem like major objections?

[@jsmcguireIII]

We observed the feast of Saint Stephen yesterday, and his murder, like Jesus, was at the behest of the Freedmen rabbis. The conflicts that true followers had with temple authorities, and later papal authorities were continuous, and ironically produced the martyrs needed to advance the mythologies through the symbolic power of self-sacrifice for faith and adherence to the most fundamental messages preached by Jesus. This is a dangerous thing to people in power.

[@rainman7769]

Genesis 17:20 (KJV) And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. Dr tabor the Arab ismaleite now came out the last prophet of Islam (Muhammad) it's clear Dr tabor

[@mitchellrose3620]

The speaker's name is the site, but there's a host? that asks the questions? Whenever I see that host's face, then many nuisance ads can be expected to interrupt mid thought points. Many people are creating KZbin videos for full time money making schemes. Topic Content is only another means to make easy money with as many ads as can be fit into the production.

[@michaelmcclosky1142]

Faith as defined is also, an observation, insight based on previous experience. What Paul & Jesus, reveal is Grace. Something that can not be earned. Saul was stopped in his tracks so he would Know this, & subsequently became Paul, (small) a child with his Abba.

[@sharon_rose724]

Many parallels between NT and vedic texts, which were said to be orated by Krshna (the Supreme One come in the flesh) to Arjuna. The spiritual law of dharma is righteous living and salvation of the soul is achieved through prayer and works. Dharma is essentially a spiritual debt system (sin is spiritual debt). So Jesus dying on the cross was essentially debt forgiveness, as debt keeps the soul earth bound (I know Christianity doesn't teach reincarnation, but I've always wondered if they say that everyone is a sinner when they're born... How can that be if they're a pure, fresh soul that's never been here before? Unless it means everyone that is born has previous spiritual debt that needs to be paid, the scales balanced. To return to the Godhead and achieve moksha, liberation of the soul and no more rebirth because debt has been paid.) The teachings of Krshna and Jesus are pretty identical. There are even matching verses from Revelation and the Gita. The prophecy of the last avatar of the Supreme One and the second coming of Christ.. both are described as riding a white horse with a flaming sword in hand to wipe unrighteousness and spiritual lawlessness from the earth at a time when world leaders have become thieves and plunderers and they applaud and support barbaric behaviors (things like looting during a storm come to mind).

[@adifferentangle7064]

You could think of it as spiritual debt, but it's kind of not really. Think about this. If you buy some strawberries, you keep the good strawberries and throw the bad ones in the garbage. The bad ones don't owe you a debt because they're rotten. That is how the Creator God of the Hebrews treats His Creations. When He sees something good, he keeps it. The bad ones get thrown aside. The difference that humans have that separate them from other beings is we have the ability to overcome our failures and learn and grow - we can make the rotting fruit a good fruit - which no other being can do. It is supposedly this fact that made Satan's head explode, and caused him to become proud and vile. If you read Enoch, you will see that God gave the dissenting angels and nephalim a chance to apologise and repent, and the good Nephalim were allowed to stay on earth (which is why they are referenced in the bible, and why the Jews at one point fight a race of giants), while the repenting angels went back to heaven, and then Azazel and the rest were rounded up by Michael and a small contingent of higher angels, and then sentenced. The truth is the second death mentioned in the bible is basically a garbage disposal. I mean, it might be a very terrible for the ones that get put into it - best case scenario you cease to exist, worst case you do still exist and get stuck in a terrible place for eternity. As we move into the beginnings of the end times, you will see a lot of good people dying. This is a mercy, that they do not have to face the fight to come. But the fight is coming and those of us still here will have to chose sides, and you will be surprised how many chose the side of the devil.

[@danhilbert6163]

I often wonder, did the Corinthians ever write back?

[@rogerjamin1860]

Paul thought that the second coming of Christ is too close that he expected to be participant of it in his lifetime.

[@stephenmunch1290]

What is the context?? 2nd Corinthians 12:16 - [16] But be that as it may, I did not burden you with my support. But some say that I was sly and took you by trickery. 16. I did not burden you-The "I" in the Greek is emphatic. A possible insinuation of the Corinthians is hereby anticipated and refuted: "But, you may say, granted that I did not burden you myself; nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you (in my net) with guile"; namely, made a gain of you by means of others (1Th 2:3). [16] But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile. 1Th2: [3] For our appeal does not come from delusion or impure motives, nor is it motivated by deceit our message is complete, accurate, and based on the truth-it does not change. Some of the Corinthians still believed that Paul had deceived them by trickery.They might have insinuated that Paul was helping himself to the proceeds of the collection for the Jerusalem church (chs 8-9). The answer to this charge is a reminder of the integrity of Titus and the other brother (see 8:16-24). The integrity of Paul and his associates should debunk such false charges. Context, context, context!

[@howaboutataste]

He used four Septuagint texts. His readers who he was writing to didn't have access to Hebrew texts and wouldn't understand the language anyway. Paul was using Septuagint texts in a similar way to how he approached the Hebrew texts, on the lookout for 'mysteries revealed in the current day'. In other words, retrospectively. He wanted to encourage the groups he was writing to to read through a lens of hindsight and perceptively. They couldn't do that with Hebrew texts, so he did it with the Greek version to show them and validate such a process.

[@ChristopherWentling]

I wonder if Paul wasn’t making a straw man to convert gentiles from paganism which tended to be very transactional. Also, how transactional were the Sadducees and temple Judaism? It appears very so. One final thing, what effect did Christianity have on the formation of rabbinic Judaism? For sure the influence did not flow just one direction.

[@TheShutterbug1968]

It is all about our actions from the beginning: Genesis 4:7 NKJV If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.” 1 John 3:7-9 NKJV Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. [8] He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. [9] Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

[@thedividepodcast]

I published a (Christian) response to the first part of this interview regarding Matthew's use of Isaiah 7.14 and Hosea 2.15. Dr. Tabor is affable, sharp, measured, and easy on the ear. I am glad for his work and that he makes his expertise available for popular consumption. Nonetheless, I see Matthew's use of these two texts differently, as others also do, of course. You can judge for yourself my analysis here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJvMgamja9N2iLs&t. Also, Derek does a great job of extracting good content from biblical scholars and we interviewed him recently for our podcast. Very enjoyable conversation. (btw, I teach Classics)

[@thomasmattson2389]

I enjoyed your discussion. Some thoughts, maybe Paul found that he did not have faith, but was following the law, and after seeing Jesus, he then found faith, and with it he realised that was what mattered. Unless Abraham had preexisting faith without knowing God, which I find difficult to understand, but Abraham was rather impressive, I would think Abraham through faith and understanding be came righteous. So my guess is that Paul understands that without faith you have nothing even if you follow the law., yet Paul understood that the law is a gift, and without it evil could not have been condemned, and God could not show us his mercy. Your one large mistake is this. One seed vs many. From Chabd, Jewish sect, from their bible. Genesis 3:15 "And I shall place hatred between you and between the woman, and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel. and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel." Here is the hebrwe form the Jewis hbible. וְאֵיבָ֣ה | אָשִׁ֗ית בֵּֽינְךָ֙ וּבֵ֣ין הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה וּבֵ֥ין זַֽרְעֲךָ֖ וּבֵ֣ין זַרְעָ֑הּ ה֚וּא יְשֽׁוּפְךָ֣ רֹ֔אשׁ וְאַתָּ֖ה תְּשׁוּפֶ֥נּוּ עָקֵֽב: " Also you left out “the Woman” Eve committed the greatest sin in the bible. She corrupted Adam after knowing the consequences of her sin. The woman is Mary. Jesus’s mother. Mary from the age of three consecrated herself to the temple. A perpetual virgin. Joseph was provided to her by the temple Rabbi’s to be her guardian. “He will crush your head.” Singular. This can only be Jesus, since this is perpetual, and only the Messiah would do this. And again singular, From Chabad: Psalm 45: 7-8 “Your throne, O judge, [will exist] forever and ever; the scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom. 8You loved righteousness and you hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, anointed you with oil of joy from among your peers.” You als oforgot Isaiah 53, which I know is one of your favorite discussion based upon the dead sea scroll. " from the Dead sea scroll. It differs from Chabad.org. The main issue is this 53:11 "from the labor of his soul, he will see light and he will be satisfied..” The ESV translates the received text “he will see” (יִרְאֶה yir’eh).The metaphor “to see light” refers to having life." Isaiah 53 4Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed. 5But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed." So Yeshua bore the sins. Next in Isaiah 53 6We all went astray like sheep, we have turned, each one on his way, and the Lord accepted his prayers for the iniquity of all of us. 7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he would not open his mouth; like a lamb to the slaughter he would be brought, and like a ewe that is mute before her shearers, and he would not open his mouth. 8 From imprisonment and from judgment he is taken, and his generation who shall tell? For he was cut off from the land of the living; because of the transgression of my people, a plague befell them." Again showing he died for the peoples sins. "10And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul makes itself restitution, he shall see children, he shall prolong his days, and God's purpose shall prosper in his hand." Next11From the toil of his soul he would see, he would be satisfied; with his knowledge My servant would vindicate the just for many, and their iniquities he would bear. 12Therefore, I will allot him a portion in public, and with the strong he shall share plunder, because he poured out his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors." So he died, and came back to life, and he had descends who he saved. This seems obvious. Proving singular not seeds, not t osay the plural existed for the Jewish people, but they as the world did as well screwed up, and God the Father fixed the world for those that asked for his mercy. And only God is perfect, so only God could save us. The Ox thing was Paul comparing himself to the Ox. Not exactly a put down for the Ox or animals. And remember the end thing that Jesus said the people of that generation would be killed, and Danial 9 24:26 said after the anointed is killed that the temple would be destroyed that the Holy of Holies would be decorated, and that the flood would come, meaning everyone would be killed. This all happened after Jesus was crucified. Bride of Crist means this. God is the only masculine, everything else is feminine and everyone does the will of God not their own. And since God is masculine, he saved us since we could not save ourselves. Also men are to lead the house and live for his wife, and the if the man deserves respect then the wife should give it, and to show the husband that God is above all, then through her devotion to the husband she shows the husband the error of his ways. Woman are rather impressive. Have a great day.

[@tomrhodes1629]

GOD's prophet speaks: I disagree with James Tabor on countless points, but he is correct on this one, which has corrupted most all of orthodox Christianity. When GOD says "good news" GOD means GOOD NEWS! And if you want it, along with the Meaning of Life and the answer to all major mysteries, click and ye shall find. Elijah has returned, as prophesied. I communicate only through my sites.

[@TFN2001]

Read Hyam Maccoby's excellent book, "The Myth-Maker. Paul and the Invention of Christianity". (1987)

[@waitstill7091]

Nothing is original these days!

[@librulcunspirisy]

Thanks 👍

[@rongoins3943]

Love it. It's all a midrash, and we still do it ...

[@EmilyTodicescu]

Faith takes the righteous character of its object Just as the hand of a dyer that has been working with crimson will be crimson just as the hand that has been holding fragrant perfumes will be perfumed; so my faith, which is only the hand by which I lay hold on precious things, will take the tincture and fragrance of what it grasps. (A. Maclaren, D. D.)

[@jonathanjensen189]

I look at the passages a little differently. Take the Matthew passage: look at the "Egypt" in both the OT place and in Revelation. Look at what happens in Egypt: it's the ruler of Egypt that is trying to kill the savior in both cases. The book of Revelation gives the right nuance, but Matthew is mistaking or miswording the spiritual tradition. This is the concept of an "it will be built, but in times of trouble" kind of a thing. Also, the "woman" has to have terrible birth pangs in order to build something new. You get the same sense of the usage of the scriptures later with the name of Jesus. The angel says to name him Jesus, and this appearance and command of the angel and the rest (these thingS: plural) are to fulfill the Isaiah 7:14 passage. Why? Because Jesus is God that is with us? No, but because the birth and the command of the angel are seen to be based on the word in Isaiah spiritually. This is not a replacement, as Derek described modern Christians doing, and it is not merely an appropriation, but rather, this method dovetails with how Paul interprets the body of Christ and such things as that. It's actually really solid, and no one has all of the pieces.

[@ThePropriate]

You may not be making a judgement related to these misquotations and that's wise as a scholar. But for me, as a layman, this is damning evidence against the intentions of Paul. He could not have done this by accident. Very crafty. Here's a quote from the Torah, "In the morning he shall eat the prey, in the evening he will divide the spoil."

[@pauljosephbuggle3722]

Dr. Tabor is evidently from a Protestant background or culture. As a Catholic I was brought up with a far different way of understanding the faith. The Faith versus Works thing is not a thing for us. Following Christ is more emphasised. Personal Saviour is not really a concept we obsess about. Pope Benedict wrote a beautiful book about St. Paul which as well as being easy to read and understand is a fine explication of his thought. That being said, the Catholic faith doesn't depend as heavily on Paul as the Protesant faith seems to. Justification is not really the saving grave as much as love of the Lord is. God seeks and wants our free cooperation with him. Listening to these talks, I am (as well as impressed) struck that we don't hear that Jesus asked us to love each other as He loved us. He begged that his Church not be divided. Paul is a complex character with a huge contribution but he wasn't the only one struggling with understsnding what the Church should become in those early times. The Church is made up of men and women and no one gets it just right. Paul is a rightly a pillar of the Church but he didnt start a new religion, that's way above his actual influence. The Church included Paul's letters in the NT because they are obviously important and inspired. However, Paul visited existing churches around Asia Minor. Salvation is for all men including Jews. Love is the answer and if you think you know what God is thinking (like Luther) then you're definitely wrong. You won't get to God by human logic.

[@light1908]

One might argue that Paul was simply a Platonist, like Augustine would later become, and further, why Aquinas attempted to bring a more Aristotelean perspective back to the “faith.”

[@iguanapoolservice1461]

I would say not just Paul but the whole world back then was influenced by Greek philosophy including the early believers.

[@light1908]

No doubt. I just thought I’d chime in when he said that Paul had no other rational apart from the Hebrew text concerning his position of faith, which I thought wasn’t quite accurate. A lot of this talk reminded me of the James v Paul classical tiff, which can also be seen as an Aristotle v Plato thing, or Body/Sense/Works v Reason/Mind/Faith thing, such that was, as you say, still philosophically relevant during the time.

[@pmaitrasm]

Augustine of Hippo you mean? He was a blasphemous lying politician masquerading as a holy man.

[@thomasmattson2389]

I enjoyed your discussion. Some thoughts, maybe Paul found that he did not have faith, but was following the law, and after seeing Jesus, he then found faith, and with it he realised that was what mattered. Unless Abraham had preexisting faith without knowing God, which I find difficult to understand, but Abraham was rather impressive, I would think Abraham through faith and understanding be came righteous. So my guess is that Paul understands that without faith you have nothing even if you follow the law., yet Paul understood that the law is a gift, and without it evil could not have been condemned, and God could not show us his mercy. Your one large mistake is this. One seed vs many. From Chabd, Jewish sect, from their bible. Genesis 3:15 "And I shall place hatred between you and between the woman, and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel. and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel." Here is the hebrwe form the Jewis hbible. וְאֵיבָ֣ה | אָשִׁ֗ית בֵּֽינְךָ֙ וּבֵ֣ין הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה וּבֵ֥ין זַֽרְעֲךָ֖ וּבֵ֣ין זַרְעָ֑הּ ה֚וּא יְשֽׁוּפְךָ֣ רֹ֔אשׁ וְאַתָּ֖ה תְּשׁוּפֶ֥נּוּ עָקֵֽב: " Also you left out “the Woman” Eve committed the greatest sin in the bible. She corrupted Adam after knowing the consequences of her sin. The woman is Mary. Jesus’s mother. Mary from the age of three consecrated herself to the temple. A perpetual virgin. Joseph was provided to her by the temple Rabbi’s to be her guardian. “He will crush your head.” Singular. This can only be Jesus, since this is perpetual, and only the Messiah would do this. And again singular, From Chabad: Psalm 45: 7-8 “Your throne, O judge, [will exist] forever and ever; the scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom. 8You loved righteousness and you hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, anointed you with oil of joy from among your peers.” You als oforgot Isaiah 53, which I know is one of your favorite discussion based upon the dead sea scroll. " from the Dead sea scroll. It differs from Chabad.org. The main issue is this 53:11 "from the labor of his soul, he will see light and he will be satisfied..” The ESV translates the received text “he will see” (יִרְאֶה yir’eh).The metaphor “to see light” refers to having life." Isaiah 53 4Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed. 5But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed." So Yeshua bore the sins. Next in Isaiah 53 6We all went astray like sheep, we have turned, each one on his way, and the Lord accepted his prayers for the iniquity of all of us. 7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he would not open his mouth; like a lamb to the slaughter he would be brought, and like a ewe that is mute before her shearers, and he would not open his mouth. 8 From imprisonment and from judgment he is taken, and his generation who shall tell? For he was cut off from the land of the living; because of the transgression of my people, a plague befell them." Again showing he died for the peoples sins. "10And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul makes itself restitution, he shall see children, he shall prolong his days, and God's purpose shall prosper in his hand." Next11From the toil of his soul he would see, he would be satisfied; with his knowledge My servant would vindicate the just for many, and their iniquities he would bear. 12Therefore, I will allot him a portion in public, and with the strong he shall share plunder, because he poured out his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors." So he died, and came back to life, and he had descends who he saved. This seems obvious. Proving singular not seeds, not t osay the plural existed for the Jewish people, but they as the world did as well screwed up, and God the Father fixed the world for those that asked for his mercy. And only God is perfect, so only God could save us. The Ox thing was Paul comparing himself to the Ox. Not exactly a put down for the Ox or animals. And remember the end thing that Jesus said the people of that generation would be killed, and Danial 9 24:26 said after the anointed is killed that the temple would be destroyed that the Holy of Holies would be decorated, and that the flood would come, meaning everyone would be killed. This all happened after Jesus was crucified. Bride of Crist means this. God is the only masculine, everything else is feminine and everyone does the will of God not their own. And since God is masculine, he saved us since we could not save ourselves. Also men are to lead the house and live for his wife, and the if the man deserves respect then the wife should give it, and to show the husband that God is above all, then through her devotion to the husband she shows the husband the error of his ways. Woman are rather impressive. Have a great day.

[@tomrhodes1629]

GOD's prophet speaks: I disagree with James Tabor on countless points, but he is correct on this one, which has corrupted most all of orthodox Christianity. When GOD says "good news" GOD means GOOD NEWS! And if you want it, along with the Meaning of Life and the answer to all major mysteries, click and ye shall find. Elijah has returned, as prophesied. I communicate only through my sites.

[@pazrahamim9220]

Finally!!! Genesis 15 correctly translated, as it should be !!! Thank you so much !!!

[@markc4176]

To claim this is correct would be to ignore John 3:15-17, which are words spoken by Jesus, not Paul. There’s no way around belief as the cornerstone of justification per Jesus’ own words. These two men are either ignorant or covering up facts just to discredit Paul. In fact, Jesus makes it clear that not only are good works NOT required, they aren’t even possible until AFTER being born again, which consists of belief in Jesus propitiation ALONE. When James clarifies this later, he is saying that good works will follow true belief…he is NOT saying that good works are required as part of being born again.

[@markc4176]

@Maximian Herculius So you’re saying anyone who helps someone hungry automatically gets into heaven?

[@markc4176]

@Maximian Herculius except Jesus states “he who believes not is condemned already.”

[@markc4176]

@Maximian Herculius it is clearly laid out in Galatians and Romans, but also just two verses earlier Jesus used the example of the serpent on the staff in the wilderness because the Israelites only had to believe enough to look at the serpent. It’s trust in what God says.

[@adifferentangle7064]

​@Maximian Herculius there is no Matthew 35. Which I guess explains why you have the dumbest take on scripture I've ever seen. If you're referring to the sermon on the mount, the bit at the end is "therefore be perfect, as your father is perfect". You seem to be missing John 3:5 "Jesus answered, "very truly I tell you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God unless they are of the water and the Spirit" John 8:34 - "Very truly I tell you, every one who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever". You have to have the Holy Spirit, you HAVE to love others as Jesus loved his disciples (bare in mind how much he rebukes them), and you cannot enter the heavenly realm unless you are as morally perfect as the father. That is why the catholic system has been set up the way it has. Because Jesus commanded the disciples to set up the system, and that is the system they set up. And thus it works.

[@patrickhowell5382]

Mr. Tabor and guest seem to be on to something in relation to pastors and Christians taking prophecies out of context, which is so true. I would suggest that you come up with a few of these prophecies and give your clarification, rather than just speaking in general. I am tired in hearing some much generalities from Christians. They are some many prophecies which were not clear to pastors and Christians in the 18 centuries but are clear to the babe and suckling in these days. There are people who went to bible schools and some even becomes professors and in their time in school were not able to interpret so many prophecies. Today these prophecies are fulfilled. There are biblical scholars who are learning new things today and many books have to be rewritten and some thrown in the garbage bin. There are some pastors and biblical teachers who are inaccurate in their eschatology and even change up God's words. I must give credit to the late Chuck Missler and Peter Ruckman for their accuracy in biblical prophetic interpretations.

[@CasperLCat]

Tabor’s right that the ENTIRE evangelical Gospel is based on Paul’s idea of justification by faith, that Paul’s Biblical basis for it, is that ONE verse in Habakkuk, and that Paul is MISUSING Habakkuk. Evangelicals often (rightly) destroy Catholic dogmas that misuse Scripture, but I NEVER heard (in the church) this OBVIOUS problem with Paul and Habakkuk, EVER. It’s RIDICULOUS.

[@jamesdelb6885]

Do you mean Saul?

[@EEPhD]

There are only four things you need to know to be a Christian. One is in the Old Testament, two are in the New Testament, and one was written in the 4th century CE. They are: 1. The 10 Commandments. 2. The Lords Prayer: Matthew 6:9-13; Luke 11:2-4. 3. John 3:16. 4. The Apostles Creed (although this has some language that is hard for some people to understand and accept.) TPers have a strong desire to seek the truth and are able to perceive multiple alternatives of possible realities. But when they look at all of the different forms of belief in the God of Abraham (Judaism, Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, etc.) and Issues regarding the nature of Jesus, Trinitarianism, salvation, the authority of apostolic succession, eschatology, conciliarity, papal supremacy and papal primacy among others that separate one denomination from another, they realize that they can’t all be right, and therefore reject it all. Anyone who thinks that their church’s interpretation of the gospel (or other religious texts) is absolutely correct is fooling themselves. Truth and faith are separate entities. Unless one simplifies the concept of faith in God, one cannot accept that God exists. It’s impossible to believe that a loving God (as taught in the New Testament) would advocate the hatred for other beliefs that drives some of the various religions (e.g., Muslims). There are scientific factors that argue for intelligent creation, e.g., the fine structure constant (if it was different by .001% the universe would not exist), and entropy, among others. After studying the alternatives, it becomes impossible to embrace a single Christian denomination or other faith, and it is impossible to reject the possible existence of God

[@thomasmattson2389]

I enjoyed your discussion. Some thoughts, maybe Paul found that he did not have faith, but was following the law, and after seeing Jesus, he then found faith, and with it he realised that was what mattered. Unless Abraham had preexisting faith without knowing God, which I find difficult to understand, but Abraham was rather impressive, I would think Abraham through faith and understanding be came righteous. So my guess is that Paul understands that without faith you have nothing even if you follow the law., yet Paul understood that the law is a gift, and without it evil could not have been condemned, and God could not show us his mercy. Your one large mistake is this. One seed vs many. From Chabd, Jewish sect, from their bible. Genesis 3:15 "And I shall place hatred between you and between the woman, and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel. and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel." Here is the hebrwe form the Jewis hbible. וְאֵיבָ֣ה | אָשִׁ֗ית בֵּֽינְךָ֙ וּבֵ֣ין הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה וּבֵ֥ין זַֽרְעֲךָ֖ וּבֵ֣ין זַרְעָ֑הּ ה֚וּא יְשֽׁוּפְךָ֣ רֹ֔אשׁ וְאַתָּ֖ה תְּשׁוּפֶ֥נּוּ עָקֵֽב: " Also you left out “the Woman” Eve committed the greatest sin in the bible. She corrupted Adam after knowing the consequences of her sin. The woman is Mary. Jesus’s mother. Mary from the age of three consecrated herself to the temple. A perpetual virgin. Joseph was provided to her by the temple Rabbi’s to be her guardian. “He will crush your head.” Singular. This can only be Jesus, since this is perpetual, and only the Messiah would do this. And again singular, From Chabad: Psalm 45: 7-8 “Your throne, O judge, [will exist] forever and ever; the scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom. 8You loved righteousness and you hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, anointed you with oil of joy from among your peers.” You als oforgot Isaiah 53, which I know is one of your favorite discussion based upon the dead sea scroll. " from the Dead sea scroll. It differs from Chabad.org. The main issue is this 53:11 "from the labor of his soul, he will see light and he will be satisfied..” The ESV translates the received text “he will see” (יִרְאֶה yir’eh).The metaphor “to see light” refers to having life." Isaiah 53 4Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed. 5But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed." So Yeshua bore the sins. Next in Isaiah 53 6We all went astray like sheep, we have turned, each one on his way, and the Lord accepted his prayers for the iniquity of all of us. 7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he would not open his mouth; like a lamb to the slaughter he would be brought, and like a ewe that is mute before her shearers, and he would not open his mouth. 8 From imprisonment and from judgment he is taken, and his generation who shall tell? For he was cut off from the land of the living; because of the transgression of my people, a plague befell them." Again showing he died for the peoples sins. "10And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul makes itself restitution, he shall see children, he shall prolong his days, and God's purpose shall prosper in his hand." Next11From the toil of his soul he would see, he would be satisfied; with his knowledge My servant would vindicate the just for many, and their iniquities he would bear. 12Therefore, I will allot him a portion in public, and with the strong he shall share plunder, because he poured out his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors." So he died, and came back to life, and he had descends who he saved. This seems obvious. Proving singular not seeds, not t osay the plural existed for the Jewish people, but they as the world did as well screwed up, and God the Father fixed the world for those that asked for his mercy. And only God is perfect, so only God could save us. The Ox thing was Paul comparing himself to the Ox. Not exactly a put down for the Ox or animals. And remember the end thing that Jesus said the people of that generation would be killed, and Danial 9 24:26 said after the anointed is killed that the temple would be destroyed that the Holy of Holies would be decorated, and that the flood would come, meaning everyone would be killed. This all happened after Jesus was crucified. Bride of Crist means this. God is the only masculine, everything else is feminine and everyone does the will of God not their own. And since God is masculine, he saved us since we could not save ourselves. Also men are to lead the house and live for his wife, and the if the man deserves respect then the wife should give it, and to show the husband that God is above all, then through her devotion to the husband she shows the husband the error of his ways. Woman are rather impressive. Have a great day.

[@Aliali-vc3pk]

You are making things up😅

[@Gideon_Judges6]

Even David in Psalm 32 (and others) looked forward to a day when YHWH's righteousness would be imputed on him and not of his own works. This was not a "new religion" from Paul. This was the Gospel!

[@macavelli8905]

Insightful information

[@author_veronicaj]

Paul didn't create Christianity, Vespasian and his son Titus did. Vespasian was likely Paul in the New Testament since it says in Titus 1:4 that Titus was one of the younger men whom Paul discipled and described as his 'son in the faith that we share'. Paul's character was taken from Saul from the Old Testament.

[@teresaveal7695]

The Old Testament under the law. This was like a giant painting of the coming Kingdom of Jesus Christ. The first kingdom was natural, the second kingdom spiritual. We that worship Jesus must worship him in spirit and in truth. Most bible teachers have naturalized a spiritual kingdom. The kingdom of God is within you.

[@kalords5967]

He who spiritualizes tells spiritual lies.

[@teresaveal7695]

@@kalords5967 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Read full chapter John 4:24

[@teresaveal7695]

@@kalords5967 1 Corinthians 2:14 “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” King James Version (KJV)

[@kalords5967]

@teresaveal7695 He who spiritualizes tells spiritual lies. I read it, and this is what it says. Christians spiritualize the Hebrew Bible to tell spiritual lies.

[@kalords5967]

@@teresaveal7695 He who spiritualizes tells spiritual lies.

[@spitimalamati]

I'm glad you're not dogmatic about Abraham believed God and he counted God for righteousness, mapped from Habakkuk, since the Just shall live by Faith (belief) which means the individual souls shall live by faith. Seems a surfiet of information that Abraham believed God and concluded God is righteous. Peace

[@kbblaze9371]

Hmm. This message might not be too welcome in the Southern Baptist churches here in the currently blizzard conditioned Deep South.

[@grantsmythe8625]

Probably not but then neither Protestantism in all its variety of forms nor Catholicism in all its variety and forms encompass the true and utterly simple meaning of Christianity....simply love God and simply love one another. Those of us who are also mystics of one kind or another do not mind too much that Pauline Christianity is based on his visions and revelations. After all, the Spirit is not long dead, having completed its work 2,000 years ago but is rather long-living, still at work today, trying to speak to the people who live in this twisted, cold, brutal, pornographic, abusive, violent and yet still beautiful world in which we find ourselves today. We need the Spirit too, you know. That need wasn't just for ages past. We need it today as much as they needed it then. Peace to you!

[@iguanapoolservice1461]

We need to follow Jesus's teachings. Paul was a great tool for God but whatever interpretation you get from his writings I don't think he had perfect doctrine or understanding.

[@grantsmythe8625]

@@iguanapoolservice1461 I could be wrong but it seems that Jesus' teachings are rather short and simple: love God, love other people, treat others like you want others to treat you, be good to them, be kind, be patient, be as generous as you can be. I guess you could develop that "love God" part into learn to pray and learn to walk in God's presence but those two, love God, love other people, is about it. People get all worked up about believing in the Virgin Birth or baptism or a certain kind or method of baptism or church giving and church attendance or certain beliefs about the Bible being this or that or certain ways to celebrate the Eucharist or about abortion or sex or this and that and on and on and on it goes. Those things always seemed like distractions to me but to each his or her own. As for me, I'll stick with those two requirements: love of God, love of others. I do OK with the first one but I have been known to have a little trouble with the second one, loving others, especially that guy that lives down at the end of our street. He's always harping on the Rapture and told me that I'm going to be left behind. I told him that was just fine with me and asked I him where he kept his house and car keys. I told him that as soon as he's Raptured, I'm going to over to his big new house and am moving in and am going to get the keys to that loud, black '62 Corvette he's so proud of. We haven't been on very good terms after that. He loves that car so much that he evidently thinks that he can ride that fiery black Vette up into the Rapture like Elijah went up into heaven in the fiery chariot. We'll see how that works out.

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

Ive been treated awful in NC questioning Paul. They got so enraged accusing me of blasphemy that i now think he is the Antichrist that stood in the temple.

[@OffRampTourist]

@@ChristinaFromKZbin i just tell them I'm standing firm for a church that doesn't practice public prayer and ask them to let me know if they find one. They tend to leave me alone about it after that conversation.

[@DivineMisterAdVentures]

8:15 Righteous vs. Faith - in a sentence where there are two equivalents, the order matters less than the equivalence. That's a Law of Language that characterizes the highest order of Language processing - it is not literal, nor literary. It is how the Logos works. An equivalency yields both sequences, or all unless parenthised as in math - (let the listener perceive it.) And of course this renders most polar arguments immediately suspect - confessing that what is accused, is what is being done by the accuser. You need to have this level of understanding going forward.

[@phillipmorris4555]

In the army officers eat last...many good points .I would love to bring up much . But it there for people to see in flashing lights ..only if they sought the truth.God bless all.

[@alegrefeliz7579]

I was a christian evangelist and during a project to translate the bible into Portugues decided to attend an university to learn biblical hebrew, and to my horror find out that what i have preached was out of context and the message on a nut shell is to repent from breaking His 10 Comandments moreover HE says several times not to worship idols but HIM alone and HIS Name is mentioned several times however, jesus is no where nor any reference to him in the okd testament which by the way is not the real title the title is torah which means "instructions" anyways Learn biblical hebrew my friends i reject jesus and "new testament" 🙏

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

Then you are in serious trouble

[@cecolson]

Why are you placing your faith and salvation in a theology which was intended for only one specific group of people? The Old Testament is intended for only the Hebrew people.

[@djpodesta]

Even if Jesus is mis-read into Abraham’s story, what happened to the great nation and the land? Rome destroyed the geographical centre for the faith and Rome became the ‘faithful’ centre outside of Alexandria and Antioch; etc… and Abraham’s seed was dispersed throughout the Empire. Nothing lines up with Abraham’s promise.

[@josephposenecker9741]

The Catholic view is Jesus is the promise to Abraham and the whole earth is our kingdom.

[@djpodesta]

@@josephposenecker9741 Of course it is… Rome eventually became Jerusalem after Rome destroyed Jerusalem some 300-400 years earlier. We can all weave a convincing tale when we pick, choose and read into any acknowledged sacred writings and apply such a tale to history… How many religions are formed that way… and how many times can one re-interpret prophecy to fit current circumstances? Take the very same scriptures and see how the dedicated religious Jews are still waiting for their MESSIAH. They have the same faith in GOD and rely upon their interpretation of the same scriptures… which were their’s to begin with. Don’t get me wrong; I understand the importance of faith, but I cannot come at faith derived from grabbing an isolated scripture from here and there and weaving a patchwork compilation to create a belief that is devoid of context… that can be done with any library of books… just as the bible is a library of individual books. How does it sit with you that Pope Francis is now warning Christians not to proselytise (try to convert) the non-Christian in the same way that the Apostle Paul did in the beginning? I understand that he is leaning toward co-operation between the religions, rather than conversion to Salvation through the Blood of Jesus. - Confusing. I hope that I do not come across as being argumentative… that is not my intention.

[@johnnyxmusic]

k​@@djpodesta “ acknowledged sacred writings”?

[@djpodesta]

@@johnnyxmusic Maybe… but then again… maybe not. Acknowledged seems to be the key term here. Acknowledged by whom? That is what every ‘thinking’ person is wrestling with. It is easy for those who just ‘know in their heart,’ whether one is a Christian, Muslim, Hindu… or even Atheist… who knows the ‘truth’ without considering things that may be outside their comprehension or comfort zone. There are others who actually seek unobtainable truth, ever realising that it is all ‘faith,’ yet enjoy the mental thrill of chasing it… to a conclusive end… just as some would enjoy the thrill of learning a new song on their guitar. As for one of your other comments about ‘people on KZbin possibly having an agenda,’ you are quite correct. Whether, in this case, the religious sphere, a presenter is a Christian scholar or a non-Christian scholar, it is all about getting enough exposure in their sphere of academic study, to gain a large enough audience… to sell their books. Just like a musician who is not content to apply him/her self to an ordinary job, the scholar only makes a living by being accepted as guest speaker… correlated with a music gig… or selling their books… or music. Neither cares about the lives of an audience that they will never meet… but… they have to pay for their PHD and/or their lifestyle without getting their hands dirty with a pick and shovel… or whatever the rest of us do for a living. - that also goes for the Christian scholar who has invested a lifetime in one book.

[@GilbertFleming]

Dr Tabor, I saw you on the Naked Archeologist

[@danaleanne38]

PAULS CONVERSION STORY Act 9:6-7 and he trembling and astonished said lord what will thou have me to do?and the lord said unto him, arise and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. AND THE MEN WHICH JOURNEYED WITH HIM STOOD SPEECHLESS HEARING A VOICE BUT SEEING NO MAN..........now read Act 22:7-9 ....and I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?and I answered who art thou lord?and he said unto me I am Jesus of Nazareth whom thou persecutest AND THEY THAT WERE WITH ME SAW INDEED THE LIGHT AND WERE AFRAID BUT THEY HEARD NOT THE VOICE OF HIM THAT SPOKE TO ME.............now Act 26 :13-14 at midday o king I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun shining around about me AND WHEN WE WERE ALL FALLEN TO THE EARTH, I HEARD A VOICE SPEAKING UNTO ME and saying in the hebrew tongue Saul, why persecutest thou me? Don't you find it strange that there are no named witnesses to his covertion store, except (the men)..and that every time he tells it ,it changes.......now read Galatians 1:10 for do I now persuade me, or God?or do I seek to please men?for if I please men, I should not be a servant of christ........now read 1 Corinthians 10:33 even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved........now Colossians 3:9 ..lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds.........and now Roman's 3-7 for if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory than why yet am I also judged as a sinner? Definition of a hypocrite 1)a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2)a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings 1 Corinthians 9:20 and unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews;to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law. 1 Corinthians 9:21. To them that are without law being not without law ,unto God, but under the law to christ, that I might gain them that are without law Paul claims to have become as under the law and then without the law, which puts on a false appearance and acts in contradiction to his stated beliefs or feelings. Paul is a confessed hypocrite by the very definition of the word. Paul says it himself, he became all things to all men. 2 Timothy 1:15 (one of the last letters Paul wrote) This thou knoweth, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me,of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes. Paul was rejected by the 12 apostles .Read John and Matthew and Yeshua's s words .Follow Yeshua not Paul. And yes Yeshua was and is Devine.

[@annettebaskerville1582]

too many misunderstandings here to address them all. please consider: Paul heard the voice speak in Hebrew. Most likely he was the only one who spoke Hebrew being of the educated class. The others prob spoke Aramaic which was of no help in understanding Hebrew.

[@johnschuh8616]

Did Paul “invent" Christianity? He may in a sense have invented Christian theology. But there were other actors involved, including the Gospel writers, and others who did not make the canonical cut.

[@skellingtonmeteoryballoon]

Didn’t Paul write in ancient numbers too ? Yacov rambsel did the math by hand so maybe these idea come from computer ?

[@godsworld2663]

I guess that explains, no sacrifices on the (Ark of thy covenant) 👍🏼 from thy Lord our God 👈🏼 ruler of the universe, Jehovah show mercy in Yeshua’s name. 🙏

[@pasnthru7x3]

These verses are being hidden or ignored by almost everyone~they are quoting Jesus, Paul, and John from the BIBLE so we can't hide, delete, or ignore them. The love of God constrainteth us ~Perfect love casts out fear ~God's mercy endures forever~ the Faith of Jesus overcomes the world. These verses seem extra important and encouraging~ Savior of ALL men SPECIALLY those that believe. 1Cor.15:22 ~ As in Adam "ALL" die even so in Christ shall "ALL" be made alive. 1Tim.2:3-4 ~ God our Savior, who will have "ALL" men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. John 17:2 ~ As thou hast given him power over "ALL" flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. (Jesus is given ALL) Luke 23:34 ~ Then said Jesus, Father forgive them for they know not what they do. Col.1:20 ~...by him [Jesus] to reconcile "ALL" things unto himself... Rom.5:18 ~ Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon "ALL" men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon "ALL" men unto justification of life. 1Tim.4:10 ~...Trust in the living God, Who is the Savior of "ALL" men specially those that believe. [*Specially*] 2Cor.5:18-21,Eph.1:9-10, Col. 1:18-20, Isa.19, 1John2:1-2, and others~ Eternal and everlasting appear 65ish times in the NT ~Only twice does it exclusively mean eternal Rom.1:20 "eternal power and Godhead", and Jude 6 "everlasting chains". The rest of the times it goes to eon and age, ages and ages in Strongs Concordance. Many of God's punishments are remedial(to remedy) ~given over to Satan so the flesh may be destroyed that the spirit saved. Smite them to heal them. The fire of God is also often referred to as purifying. Why is this so rarely mentioned or pointed out? "ALL" is easily defined ~It has to be more then a mis-translation, or misunderstanding. Are we supposed to ignore these clear statements of hope & encouragement. regardless of your belief ~few are absolutely positive ~so this is at the least ~a tiny bit of condemnation and negativity removed. The love of God constrainteth us ~ Possibly a lie we are being told so "They"[maybe Satan],can retain power, and to keep us unsure, divided, fearful, and thus obediently following. Kept Ultimately Lost. Honestly think about it... Something is off with much of what many teach ... Also consider this~ 1Cor 4:7...what do you have that you did not receive...[God made us]~ Phil.2:13 For it is God that works in you both to will(want) and to do(preform)of his good pleasure. Heb.10:36 ...need patience....after you have done the will of God, [

[@pasnthru7x3]

This question is relevant if you believe and if you don't believe yet~it's still important and you will agree one day.

[@ninatrabona4629]

Marriage came up in a discussion on a KZbin😮

[@georgesparks7833]

Well now I know the next book I will purchase.

[@henry-he3ln]

Many of us read from the letters of Paul and conclude that he was not a disciple . but we know that most of the disciples were illiterate and not as learned as Paul. Therefore Paul was likely to spread the letters as according to the faith ,experience and knowledge of all the apostle.

[@jahrasta4907]

I ignored my intuition got mixed up with Christianity. Damn those dudes are hostile to Q&A.

[@mattrhoden2401]

A lot of misunderstandings that come from the teachings of Paul come from not understanding what the end of the age was. When you go to Matthew 24, Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple. The disciples then ask Jesus, what are the signs of your coming and if the end of the age? Notice they are asking this in relation to the destruction of the temple. So they equated Christ's coming, the end of the age to the destruction of the temple. The temple was destroyed in 70 AD. The end of the age that is referenced is the end of the old covenant, the 613 laws, the levetical priesthood. All that ended because the temple was destroyed. That is why Christ was sent to the lost sheep of Israel and Paul to the Gentile nations. They understood the urgency of getting the gospel out in their generation because Jerusalem was going to be destroyed. That covenant age came to an end.