How Rare is a 200" Whitetail?

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[@ExodusOutdoorGear]

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[@thetrooper1061]

So sad he didn't have multiple 200 inch bucks to chase this year. Some people really got it rough

[@BenjaminBlakeney]

Ain't that the truth

[@markoeberhardt3132]

Ldudes running 100 cameras that’s ridiculous..

[@magmar7118]

My dad and I have 2 cameras each and are lucky to get one pic of an 8-point a year! Lots of does and other wildlife too

[@calebowens3006]

@@magmar7118where y’all at?

[@thepressurepack3777]

@@magmar7118move ya camera, around.

[@IAmAMeateater]

I feel like a psycho running 10 cameras…

[@Boatflipit]

I feel the same but also want more 😂

[@Nunyabusiness21182]

Those are rookie numbers 😂😂😂 I have friends with 50+ cameras out 😂😂 insane

[@brendonromers1367]

Couple years ago I would run around 25 cameras. Now I find my target buck for the year and use 1-3 cameras on him and that’s it. I also switched everything to cellular now

[@truspirit1925]

Yeah I'm running 12 and feel to obsessive 😂

[@AfterTheHunt]

I have 27… all cellular. Although I use them for trapping also so I feel like it’s justified lmao

[@Bjackson008]

Can u imagine the anxiety of having 100 Cameras out 💀that’s a little overkill at some point it’s just time to go hunt…

[@iandobbs7823]

I couldn't afford the battery bill.

[@bullgravy6906]

Any more than a couple of cameras and it ain’t hunting. Hell I barely consider dudes that only go for big bucks as hunters, hunting is supposed to be about food on the table

[@wcb5890]

almost like targeting the largest bucks disproportionally leads to the killing of the largest bucks. Strange.

[@robertoaiello9342]

Yup. Because the idiots keep killing the best genetics.

[@Johnbobon]

@@wcb5890 That is so weird. We need to do science to find out if there's indeed a correlation.

[@Aaroncoop9162]

I appreciate hunters who hunt for age. Might aswell harvest bucks at there best. But how do you explain culling deer? Wouldn’t that negate the point or do you the giant/cull harvest ratio is too one sided?

[@robertoaiello9342]

@@Aaroncoop9162 culling is removing animals that aren't up to par.

[@charlesmoore9970]

Cwd is the biggest reason for the lack of older age class deer where he's at

[@Jay-ku3ur]

For wild deer, they are extremely rare... But, they grow em like candy on farms.

[@aidenmeech]

My dad shot one in 2007 that scored 198 as an 18 pointer

[@gd_gnz]

My uncle killed some nice ones in Lee county in the 80’s and 90’s. One of the first big buck hunters I ever heard of.

[@stephenballard3759]

Man, 2007 feels like laat month, to me.

[@clay8222]

I’ll tell you how rare it is. Where I hunt deer were released back in the 1960s. Before then there were none. Between my dad my grandfather and myself (I am 32) we’ve never killed a 130” in the 60 years we have had whitetail. We let 120s walk for 15 years and they never changed. Now we shoot the 120s again. That’s all our genetics allow. We’ve had bucks measure under 80” aged 6+ years by biologists.

[@camwinston5248]

This is facts..100% . No matter what you do,what you sacrifice, pass on or spend, you cannot change genetics.

[@User-sb9hx]

Also sounds like you have poor nutrition in your area and need to consider influencing the soil quality, adding in more high nutrition food sources, ample healthy water, and minerals blocks. That alone will add 20-30 inches of horn a year to the herd in your area. Also, you need to be more adamant about selective harvests on smaller less desirable bucks for a few years and continue to let the 120s with big frames live.

[@camwinston5248]

@@User-sb9hx while this is all well an good and your comment holds some validity an merit in some very pinpoint situations..revisit and review the two comments above you once again please and give them some additional thought. What you are suggesting is all fine,well and good IF you have not hundreds but thousands of discretionary dollars and hundreds of hours of time as well AND only IF you have a strain of animals or herd of deer that HAVE this genetic potential to express..and all for WHAT a few extra inches of bone on a bucks head ? ..or the purported possibility of a 20-30 inch jump ? Yes that can take place, in a very SPECIFIC situation..that 90% of people do not have or have access too..carrying capacity of the land and Buck to doe ratio are FAR more important to the health of a local deer herd and to give the potential of genetics to shine thru..and if you would like to get really serious your local deer herd is more than capable of taking care of itself..we might not like all the results of it but they will be what they're going to be regardless of what we do ..without people spending their mortgage note to achieve it..the fact is that all this "buck" trophy" deer management, while when first started was informative and useful and can be now as far as land setup,hunting knowledge..it has become misguided and very unrealistic for the majority of people and most deer herds..not to mention it has become VERY prohibitively EXSPENSIVE..an for the most part is nothing more than a multi-billion dollar con job to SELL billions of dollars of products to that end..and for what a FEW more inches of bone! .this scam has been going on for 3 decades now.

[@-lovefromnh]

Digital trail cameras are older than 2007. My Dad's friend used to show us pictures on his laptop when I was in middle school. I graduated high school in 2004.

[@Patriot-dt3wk]

Get away from all the tech and the age , and size, will come back.

[@FrankHeirigs-km2uh]

Back when CRP land was a thing

[@localyokel1000]

TV ruined Kansas. Out of state hunters about piss themselves over 130 class deer

[@OBSZIDIAN548]

The old trail cameras, lol I was lucky to get the ass end of a squirrel. I'd get excited if the thing triggered on anything but birds and wind

[@joshmckinney1831]

In the wild very rare

[@Huntnfish74916]

They grow them on their deer farms pretty easily I’d imagine!

[@jackyhallmark3094]

Never been a big fan of cameras and am sure not a fan of feeders during deer season.

[@bullgravy6906]

I have 1 camera and 1 feeder, I almost exclusively shoot does as for me it’s about food. Antlers are cool, but I can’t eat those

[@robertoaiello9342]

I personally think trail cameras should be illegal for hunting purposes.

[@harrisonbrown3902]

Dude I couldn't disagree more! Thr deer hunting has gotten sooooo much better in my state (Oklahoma) as the cameras came out and became more affordable you could literally see the deer get better every year. They where literally opening people's eyes to what was on their property and as a result people stopped shooting young bucks and started taking more mature bucks. Results don't lie! Trail cameras are the best thing to ever happen to whitetail hunting!

[@robertoaiello9342]

@@harrisonbrown3902 assuming that everyone is doing that.

[@thepressurepack3777]

Deal, long as they ban live scope also 👍

[@robertoaiello9342]

@@thepressurepack3777 for fishing? Okay. I'm good with that

[@SMSCHA]

@@harrisonbrown3902 I have seen the same results in Michigan.

[@claytonshields1820]

I used to come across a lot of pretty big bucks but as the years go on, it seems like I don’t hardly come across any anymore. I would say a lot of it is just having some bad years of diseases. Or getting more and more new hunters each year that shoots anything that walks not giving younger bucks time to grow.

[@andrewkirkpatrick626]

People are acting like trail cameras r the solo reason why some hunters get big bucks, lol the camera is just a scouting tool u still have to make it happen and outsmart the deer not like just putting cameras out your guaranteed monster bucks

[@stevenphillips5155]

It's the pile of corn that brings them in

[@andrewkirkpatrick626]

Ya won't argue that, now that isn't fair

[@A.D.R.J.Coleman]

Seems like every 5-6 years is good for me! Gotta let the young ones grow

[@martynalbert5089]

Over 100 camera’s 😂 … “heyday in Iowa” only had 25??? More like the heyday was when nobody had cameras and people didn’t give a crap about scoring deer constantly. More fun, more deer, more relaxed, and better culture in general.

[@jacobmccandles1767]

Gee, I wonder why?

[@zaynemikita6897]

😂 yea it isnt like social media has helped create a massive influx of hunters. Idc what people say there are more hunters.

[@williamwhite6469]

It all depends on pressure.

[@Whicki]

I still get Buck fever for an 8 point

[@CrownedGamer.]

I quit running cell cameras. I thought it was making me a lazy and not as productive hunter. I enjoyed last year so much more than the previous 3. Like anything else it will phase out soon.

[@noahanderson3619]

Big difference in hunting somewhat natural, and spending thousands on hunting stuff, but if ya got a heater in ur cabin and a big ol food plots and no one else hunts the same deer its a different store anyone can pull a trigger on a pet deer

[@johnmuse9845]

Too many high fence deer and farmed 200 inch deer for me to care, get one out in the wild with no bait and the brag

[@brushcrawler8612]

I'm blessed to be harvesting meat for around $0.35lb. Maybe a little more if I ruin a broadhead or arrow. Not sure how much 100 trail cameras cost to buy and run

[@Bamapride1000]

I’ve learned ed that those things come in cycles. If you’re in an area that once had giants and then all the sudden there’s non of the giants left then give it several years and they’ll cycle back through. It just like rabbits in the wild they come in cycles as well.

[@BobbyB1776]

All electronics used in the aid or pursuit of game should be illegal as it used to be. There’s no skill in the hunter they’re just technicians now. Just a money racket now like fishing

[@TNAgaming150]

Actually it’s not it’s still fair chase we are humans we are the most incredible things to exist and the greatest predator as well. We become better at what we do it doesn’t mean it’s unfair

[@adamdabdoub]

I agree, I grew up tracking and not hunting. Just something you pick up being a hillbilly with a bunch of wood access. People who can’t track can now use apps like onX, drones, and cell cameras to track in real time these deer. They no longer have to be outdoorsmen who put in the leg work to get these deer beards tracked. Don’t get me wrong I can now afford to use these technologies and have tutorials on adding A.I. to the mix but I personally see how that’s bad for people in the long run. Most these hunters would starve if they had to track these deer and only be able to hunt public land

[@iBleedStarsAndBars]

​@@adamdabdoubagree 100%

[@BobbyB1776]

@@TNAgaming150 that’s why it’s called fair chase. Hence the word fair we reduce our abilities to give the animals a even Playing Field for them to have a chance to survive. Not a Challenge using thermal drones and nightvision. Well we should be able to hunt at night right since we are more Advanced? Most people use such lines as an excuse for learning and putting out effort. In the end it will be the downfall of hunting and righty so. Profits and ease over dedication and ethics

[@eichmann5902]

Kinda 50/50 with ya on that. We’re chasing 150” in Tn. But I aint disagreeing with ya.

[@vinmandich7756]

Camera hunter lol hey hes eating our corn right now 🤣

[@jydentrotter45]

i’ve seen 3 this year over 175 in just guthrie county only went out looking twice

[@chrisrice6958]

Them old deer and hogs have learned to stay away from them cameras

[@yourmomma2995]

too many hunters now, and a lot them say if its brown its down. you will never have big deer with that mentality.

[@bullgravy6906]

I have 1 camera, I’ve so far seen a doe and my dad’s truck. Or rather I’ve seen food and my dad driving aimlessly. Had a guy hunting our land 2 years ago, passed on every doe he saw then shot a 10pt then gave away all the meat. He wasn’t allowed back.

[@moneyandtimefreedom3352]

100 cameras and probably a 200 feeders and 300 stands on a private farm

[@thepressurepack3777]

Yes, do you not hunt private property?

[@parkermckowen3781]

Not to burst your bubble or anything but Iowa is all crops that deer love. A out of place food source (feeder) would be a lot less likely to attract mature smart deer than a 300 acre corn field that they feel natural and comfortable in. I would say less then 5 of his over 100 cameras are on a feeder. And he probably also doesn’t have stands stacked on top of each other you only need so many stands

[@jordanpoor8006]

⁠@@thepressurepack3777nope. It’s just funny how many different ways some can “hunt” deer. One guy drives his truck around all day up and down trails. One guy drives his truck to his heated shed overlooking a field. One guy backpacks 10 miles into backcountry. Who’s actually a hunter? And as for the countless cellular cameras that’s absolutely disgusting

[@thepressurepack3777]

@@jordanpoor8006 One day, you’ll have the same opportunities, and kill huge deer… without having to walk, 10 miles 🤦‍♂️😂

[@lCurbstomp]

??? They definitely had digital in 2007.

[@eichmann5902]

But, 10x the hunters. 10x less amount of land. Prove me wrong. And we talking B&C with deductibles here?

[@wheresmywrench3219]

Bro rly ridding big bucks from the gene pool and then being like uhhh bucks ain’t as big anymore don’t know why

[@taylorjackson7908]

EHD could factor into this too

[@Yettiattack]

So can shooting 120” bucks

[@adamdabdoub]

I’d argue the main factor of large deer population decline is the use of trail cameras and apps like onx and HuntStand. They are all great but in retrospect, they allow people who can’t track deer, to easier hunt without putting in the leg work. I’d love for Ohio to make trail cameras and baiting piles illegal year round. Food plots are ok only because it’s work involved and feeds the dee something decent instead of corn.

[@BuckFama]

Pretty small sample size.

[@benweis6331]

If the deer matches one of my tags, its dead. I put my either sex tag on a doe about half the time and it doesn't bother me at all. I like going out in the morning and being back before lunch with a deer. Ive never understood the obsession over big antlers. When they come by its cool, but not much more to me. To each their own of course.

[@bullgravy6906]

I’m with you, a doe comes trotting along and I see meals. A buck comes along and usually I’m too caught up just looking at it to remember I should take a shot

[@bl688]

Them bucks cant get 200" if they get killed when they scoring 125" pass on the small bucks boys, go for the big boys

[@RealGregJamesBeam]

If this is true (and I believe it is) then it is very likely that something about our management practices are off. Whatever it is that we are doing is resulting in smaller animals and that sucks for future hunters.

[@ryanbritt5548]

“On camera” they are just getting smarter over the years

[@AWoutdoors1]

I only use three cameras

[@John-qg2pz]

Game cams is your answer people

[@aaronluepke8999]

Can't eat antlers...

[@parkermckowen3781]

You’ve never shot a deer you’re proud of I’m guessing?

[@colewalters9067]

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[@tblaze8167]

These guys have forgotten what hunting is really about.

[@cameronbrennemanoutdoors]

I thought my 8 was a ton but nope

[@Birdfan465]

Outlaw game cams.

[@Yettiattack]

No that is the dumbest thing ever

[@TRB1497]

I run maybe 6 cameras 🥲

[@matthunter1667]

Since he was running 25 cams then where's the old pics of these 5 different 200' bucks in 2007 ? No one is throwing away a trail cam pic of a world class deer, let alone 5 different ones in the same year!!! I'm calling bullsh!t !!!

[@bobbyflamez8857]

I hate cameras. Walking through public land and seeing hundreds of cameras pisses me off. At some point, it's not hunting. If you use cameras, it's my opinion that you're a trans-hunter

[@camwinston5248]

🤣 Are you saying people who run cameras, hunt wearing dresses?

[@bobbyflamez8857]

@camwinston5248 they are atleast wearing women's underwear

[@OBSZIDIAN548]

A 200 inch GMO deer or real genetics and monster bucks that were creatures of theh night

[@dieseljunky8505]

Who can afford 100 cameras?

[@jeffschmelzer1592]

Illegal to use trail cameras in Az. Wi slowly getting rid of baitong. Should never let it get like it is. This has 5 bucks over 200. Longer huntong. How cam someone be proud. Means nothing nowadays.

[@kidfabulous4729]

That’s becuz everyone has better technology, better equipment, less patients, and killing whatever they see.

[@alec5115]

Iowa: I Owe the World an Apology

[@Fctsdntcarebouturfeelings]

People care way too much about what others think! Some of you males are NOT men these days. You cry, complain, and gossip like school girls. Be happy for other hunters who are blessed and successful. I'm obsessed with hunting whitetails. If I'm running 50 cams and dropping booners every year, I could give 2 craps what others think. If my neighbors are doing it and I'm lucky to get a poper, I'm still freaking blessed and excited for them! Grow up!

[@casey197930]

Trail cameras should be banned everywhere on public.

[@robfarris4849]

This is what's wrong with hunting. 100 plus cameras? Slop.

[@markwalbright8093]

Who is this?

[@zaynemikita6897]

Ummm you ever stop to ask the question why bud?

[@jimpeters7931]

Maybe because everyone is killing the giant 200 inch deer and removing them from the genetic pool. If you want to continue to have the best deer don't kill the biggest one every year.

[@dexxgaming9519]

If you have 100 cameras out there you might as well get into a helicopter and shoot them from the sky because that ain’t hunting

[@andrewrodriguez6916]

Maybe his management strategies aren't working? Maybe those genes have been killed out of the heard. Don't forget that a doe has as much of a role to play in genes as daddy.

[@gbottomly]

Today your running 0 cameras

[@adambelk3495]

What’s the reason for the drop in inches overall ? Why aren’t you getting 200” anymore ?

[@joshsinglefooter]

People are more skilled. More deer are being shot at 3 years old that would be 200"

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

They aren't living long enough.

[@Yettiattack]

People shooting less mature bucks more hunters more private land etc

[@user-rw4qd7ev8x]

Hunting pressure barely existed in the Midwest back then compared to now, that’s the reason

[@Cannon1992]

Explanation is simple. With the advent of all this technology came idiocy. 99%+ have ZERO clue what a 200” deer is. As a result, people been laying waste to 150” deer in the regular. Those 150” never had a chance against the idiots looking for a cool selfie and a “view”.

[@jesserolli7711]

Old deer dont like humans, and you are probably running them out by checking all 100 cams, you even said it yourself, its common sense, just play the wind and go sit!

[@DirtyMikeMichigan]

Poor you

[@JFroMG_YT]

5 bucks over 200” yeah right. The actual odds of having a 200+ buck on your property is almost impossible. There are only about 3000 deer registered over 200” in the last 200 years out of the hundreds and thousands killed every year. Even a well managed property the odds are still very low. It take a lot for a deer to grow that big. Not just age and population. And for the people who talk about high fence. Those aren’t natural deer. High fence deer are genetically modified through the use of steroids, forced breeding specific genetic, and high protein diet. None of which you’ll get in a natural setting.

[@wilson5284]

But he has The pictures of them I’ve seen them somewhere

[@marijuonko7092]

You would be suprised dude. For every 200inch deer we hear about there is probably a few dozen we don't hear about. Look how many 200 inch deer Lee elis shot. And he hunts goergia.

[@andrewyoder88]

No this is real. I live within a half hour or less of this guy's farms and I've heard the stories from the locals. Early 2000s and late 90s those giants did exist. It was nothing new for local farmers and their families or friends to do drives during gun season and shoot a 170 typical or something bigger and just cut the rack out and hang it up with the rest out in the barn. Iowa got the land of the giants name because of TV shows coming here from other states. Those giant bucks just weren't that big a deal to Iowa residents around here back then because it was normal so it didn't cross their mind to go tell everyone

[@coyotehammer6947]

Apparently you’ve never heard of Alberta

[@user-rw4qd7ev8x]

You obviously never spent much time in the Midwest in the 90’s. He’s not exaggerating one bit, there was basically zero pressure and miles of crp and prime unbothered ground. It was truly magical and will never be the same.

[@Johnbobon]

Dude is running 100+ cameras? That's just plain weird. Get a second hobby dude!

[@jacobwynn9555]

I've got 1 running right now lol, got another one out but it's not running at the moment lol

[@muleskinner4053]

You call yourself a hunter ? , whoever needs cameras to hunt or bait , food plots with stands right on them are not hunters

[@BIGERTZ]

Iowa .... Lets hear about other states by non professional so- called hunters!!!!!

[@bigdad0702]

Quit cheating with the cameras and just hunt

[@Mightyducks45]

100 plus cameras is outrageous that’s equal to forward facing sonar in fishing. It’s not hunting if you don’t give the animal a fair chance at survival. Guys like Fred Bear, Boone and Crockett would be ashamed of this modern hunting.

[@truspirit1925]

Back before trail cams around 1980 i saw a definite state record maybe even world record according to pics ive seen and visiting gun shows etc. I saw a whitetail that was approximately a 16 pt. He was in rut snorting and came within 15 yards of me . I was 12 years old and squirrel hunting. I didnt own a bow at that time. It seemed like last week. The year after that my Dad missed it with a arrow but still to this day we are completely convinced it woulda been a record. This happen in the appalachains 1980 and 81 and weve seen nothing close anywhere since. There is no doubt his body weight was in the mid to late 2s and his rack was definitely mid 200s .

[@JerryTaylor-n4l]

Maybe they are sick of all your paparazzi flashing at them all night. Lol. Just kidding. But They come out at dark.. 100 plus cameras is turning the lights on... Geez. They make noise. How many pics have u seen deer looking right at camera. Checking it out. I have a vid of huge 9 point licking tge cam... last time i seen that beast untill next year.

[@bobo44donemilking51]

Poor baby lol

[@yourhuckleberry3733]

Not rare at all if you shoot them on a game farm!

[@touger9759]

Horn hunters are the worst.

[@dannyhall7656]

If a 200" is all your after you miss the enjoyment of hunting. Think of how selfish that is crying over. I can't find a 200 inch, deer to hunt.

[@JFroMG_YT]

Bro probably will never see a 200+ deer again. Nearly impossible even on the best managed property

[@Yettiattack]

You realize 200” deer has more meat than a 120” deer. Smooth brain

[@douglasvaughn9530]

​@@Yettiattacknot always rough brain.

[@danwallen5726]

Technology hunting. Is it really hunting ? NOT SO MUCH

[@harmjass8178]

No big deer in Iowa.

[@shannonshirley3848]

How rare is 200 in natural one killed on public land no feeders. Yall dont hunt these raised deer.

[@ManDime222]

Anyone concerned with 200 inches, are the same guys concerned about the 5 in their pants

[@BrittanyMcCann]

Tell you there 4 types hunter the one who let there bucks grow.2nd kind of hunter that’s after meat.3rd there hunter who hunts baby deer.4th the ones who hunt every dam deer walks by

[@troythibodeaux1246]

I've been hunting since 1982 and never had the chance to see a buck that big and this clown is hunting 5 that is so disgusting that 99 % of us will never ever get a chance to shoot.

[@user-rw4qd7ev8x]

That’s because you probably live in Alabama and they don’t live long enough to

[@AnthonyPawlowski-s9d]

Lost sight of the reason for hunting. Feel sorry for you. Hunting is supposed to be fun.

[@mikehatchel8170]

Biggest wannabes in the fake hunting industry!

[@dannyhall7656]

Why is today's hunters want everything illegal if you don't like them don't use them

[@mytexasseason6036]

Camera are the downfall of hunting.

[@davidfalcone4736]

Technology has ruined hunting and fishing especially can't wait until Putin knocks out all the satellites in The hunger games begin

[@normanhodge7192]

Not hunting if u record the woods 24 7 but it sells cameras and weapons I have never killed anything worth mention but I hunted them