How Russia and Ukraine are struggling to keep up artillery ammunition supplies | DW Analysis

Both Russia and Ukraine have been focusing on long range weapons. Which means finding enough of this has become a major priority for both sides. They are burning through a lot of resources as they pound each other with long-range artillery weapons. The weapons themselves come in many shapes and sizes.
Estimates for how much ammunition both sides are using in the Ukraine war vary widely. Western experts estimate Ukraine used between 6,000 to 7,000 artillery shells a day in the summer of 2022, and Russia between 20,000 and 60,000. Exact numbers are military secrets. But even when considering conservative estimates, that's more than either side can produce itself. The Unites States, Ukraine's main supplier of ammunition, only produced around 500 rounds a day at the time. And that is just counting conventional shells, not rockets.
When it comes to Russian supplies, it's clear the country is digging deep into its stocks. Ukrainian officials say Russia is firing less artillery shells now than last year, and using old ammunition, which suggests the Russian military is trying to conserve shells.
Ukraine on the other hand has to deal with a mix of old Soviet equipment and modern weapons supplied by Western allies. Ukraine is dependent on those allies to deliver enough ammunition for the weapons they provided. And they need deal with the logistical issues, caused by all these different weapons needing all kinds of different supplies and parts.44Both sides are now having to ration supplies, including ammunition. And upping capacities to re-stock will take a significant amount of time. For that, both sides depend on other nations. As the war drags on, these issues are likely to become even more important. Russia is expected to launch a fresh offensive that will keep burning through its stocks - and Ukraine is already pleading with the West for more ammunition to defend itself.”
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[@roberta4760]

My friend that has grand parents in Siberia. Said that currently the smoke stacks are going day and night. Productions at the steel plants are at full speed. The West needs to do the same and not wait.

[@michaelbazzell6327]

LMAO, we are not at war with Russia Ukraine is.

[@roberta4760]

@@michaelbazzell6327 the Russians need to be destroyed and pushed back into Russia. I am in Australia. A win for Russia is bad for everyone. If Russia wins, China will invade Taiwan.

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@roberta4760]

@@javierfrancia1938 I want them to get long range missiles next. The West has old atacms that are getting replaced. With people with your attitude the Russians will win .

[@NeverRubARhubarb]

@@michaelbazzell6327 And who is arming them? A significant proportion of all the aid packages has been ammunition. In addition to advanced weapon systems like HIMARS, the imminent delivery of around 200 NATO-grade tanks, plus intelligence support it isn't unreasonable to call it a proxy war between Russia and the West.

[@deadlegends5498]

“Ammunition is key” yeah I mean it’s kinda hard to fight a war without it…

[@cooljosh2307]

Apparently the Russians have figured out how to keep fighting even when they ran out of ammunition multiple times so far. Perhaps Ukraine can learn from Russia how to do it.

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@joemammon6149]

maybe Ukrainians can fight like the Cossacks and use sabers like the old days.

[@javierfrancia1938]

@@joemammon6149 Ukraine and its brave people are suffering from a proxy-war between NATO and Russia, Ukraine is no longer a functional country, it died many decades ago when the oligarchs took power and transformed Ukraine into the most corruptd country in Europe

[@starwarscoppers]

Remember when Russia was running out of ammo.

[@DavidDolus]

About 10 times already. Starting in may last year. And here we are almost a year later with the war still going on.

[@02markcal]

Russia has so now it's North Korean and Iranian ammo.

[@Nikowalker007]

Well it shows clearly on the battlefield lines. That’s why it makes abysmal gains due to ammo saving/conservation orders , only couple hundred meters every week since last summer compare to kilometers or miles in Spring and February 22 …

[@remix-yy1hs]

@02markcal hahahah and Ukraine is winning right?

[@remix-yy1hs]

@Nikowalker007 you don't really believe that do you? What country are you from?

[@barrylane1055]

Frank Ledwidge is the best on line commentator we have on the war. Thank you DW for having him!!!

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@bigmock141]

Saying that US gonna increase production by 20k per month is just 33 percent and not much

[@reggie8141]

That’s massive 😂

[@ethownzbh]

Thank you for the blue box around the SPG at the beginning. I'd have never noticed it otherwise 🤣

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@dominiccordova8347]

Time for these crazy weapons manufacturers/developers to break out the munitionless energy and light weapons systems.

[@frankcessna7345]

The US alone has spent 23 billion on laser and rail gun technology in the last five years and no cigar…. Where getting close on lasers but the system is the size of ISO container just to shoot down a drone

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@duncansmith7562]

using old shells does NOT imply Russia is running out of ammunition. it just implies it has a lot of old shells to use.

[@bradhombre6912]

Later in the video, he says using new ammunition implies that they are running low. Most of the video seemed reasonable, but a bit of a logic breakdown on this point.

[@bojanradic6440]

You are russian bot and enemy of Democrazy !

[@MWENDA-vv5im]

@@bradhombre6912 That was in reference to missiles not shells which again does not imply anything. Whether it is new or not, they have it in their possession

[@duncansmith7562]

@@bradhombre6912 that's right. using old ammo = Russia is running out. using new ammo = Russia is running out. using imported ammo = Russia is running out. we've heard this month after month. it's pathetic.

[@shovonhasan7404]

@@duncansmith7562 I am listening it from March 2022. All Ukrainian will die & Nato will say Russia has no more weapons.

[@pseudoscienceisart2441]

Since the beginning of the war I am hearing that Russia is running out of ammunition.

[@r3dpowel796]

Russia Just Fired 66 Cruise missile into Ukraine lmao.. Its funny that somehow DW knows when was the shell was produced when there is nothing written on the shells. sometimes they said its recently made and sometimes they said its Old ammunition.

[@Arniux17]

@@r3dpowel796 yes, but are those missiles accurate ? Many s300 been remade to ground ground instead of ground air. Ruzzia has huge stock pipe of "dumb" missiles/bombs. Ruzzia runs out of high precision weapons.

[@Ilamarea]

@@r3dpowel796 Nothing written on the shell? You mean other than serial number, date of production, manufacturing location among other information?

[@r3dpowel796]

@@Ilamarea lmao I have seen what an artillery ammunition looked like..

[@citronski]

"Since the beginning of the war I am hearing that Russia is running out of ammunition." Since the beginning of the war I am hearing that NATO is running out of ammunition. Anyway, Russia is stuck in Bakhmut for the seventh month now. It truly is a long road to Kiev. And NATO hasn't even boots on the ground, this is all Ukrainians fighting for their lives and families.

[@donovanwhitted6743]

Thought Russia has run out of ammo last June, maybe it was even earlier when the west announced that.

[@user-cb2df9zy6d]

2022 NATO: Russia Will run out of ammunition 2023 NATO: WE are out of ammunition

[@lda1729]

@@user-cb2df9zy6d oh, that’s a good one ahahah

[@lebohang8405]

One country vs 30 plus countries. That's truly powerful

[@_.YouTubeBad_.]

KZbin says you have made hundreds on this channel, and Russias full industrial might is still worse compared to natos peacetime might

[@FINSuojeluskunta]

It cannot even take over one country. NATO would completely destroy the standing Russian military in a small amount of time.

[@ImmuneToTrollHate]

The key phrase in this video is where he asks if the West has the will to order the increased production American manufacturers have stated that they can ramp up production quickly, but that they are just waiting to receive the orders for more ammunition to do so Translation: They aren't going to make anything unless they know that they are going to get paid for it

[@dzokavaac7307]

They can ramp.production from 2024

[@ericp1139]

@@dzokavaac7307 not enough to make a difference in Ukraine. No donor to Kyiv is going to transition their country into a wartime economy for Zelensky.

[@WillN2Go1]

What do the shells cost? I can probably afford a few.

[@bumpy783]

Yeah get the Americans to pay for it, they pay for the worlds defense anyways… Don’t ask the Germans to pay for their own defense, they’ve got ze Amis doing it and prefer to spend it on their 6 weeks of vacation as relaxation from a hard 35hr week.

[@SuperRede4u]

Quote: The US Army announced Tuesday that it had awarded $522 million in orders to two companies to manufacture 155 mm artillery ammunition for Ukraine. The orders, officially decided on January 30, went to Northrop Grumman Systems Corp. and Global Military Products Inc. and came amid worries that Ukraine was fast depleting the stockpiles of artillery shells from the United States and other allies. Deliveries of the new ammunition are scheduled to begin in March of this year, the Army said in a statement.

[@deadmanslastwish]

I keep hearing this, but recent events has proven the Russians able to shell Bakhmut almost constantly. They don't seem to be running out.

[@eastern2western]

Artillary weapons have always been the gods of war because they can achieve further distance with higher damage. The best method to counter it is get close as possible and try to fight the enemy with light weapons. This is a technique used by the pla army during the korean war.

[@sorennilsson9742]

Artillery only rule in the absence of airpower. In the war in Ukraine we can therefore se Artillery as the king of war but for NATO airpower is the most important component and will so be in the future. In Korea China learnt that without airpower its infantery and tanks could not be suplied over time, however they tried to compensate for that by infiltrating the weaker points of defence. The truth is that to win a war you need to be equipped with the entire toolkit. Russia started the attacked without infantery and lost their tanks, now they attack with to little armour and their infantery dies in mass. The losses Russia will suffer is enormus and it will become weak for decades if they keep this war going for longer.

[@jordycorvers7465]

if you have air superiority tanks and artillery are sitting ducks. the 6 day war was a prime example of this.

[@chewieknievel8439]

@Rico Thampaty, so why can’t Russia make any solid achievements even though they have more troops and got the surprise attack in the beginning. They are losing at a rate of 7 Russian troops to 1 Ukrainian troop in the battle in the East. And this is the Ukraine army, not NATO and the US current modern weapons. You do realize Ukraine wasn’t even on the top 20 modern armies before the war. Russia would fold in a week against the US. Ukraine isn’t even using the current weapons the US uses and they are only getting outdated weapons sitting in our warehouses. And they are still asking for our outdated F-16’s. You don’t seem to be living in reality. Russia’s army is seriously behind. They are using Iranian made drones and those are doing better than many of Russian made missiles. That’s an embarrassment and having to beg North Korea for ammunition only shows that you are just wrong. Have a good day.

[@rag4824]

The reason the pla went with that approach is because they have a dickload of manpower, and not alot of equipment

[@deepdungeon8465]

​@@sorennilsson9742oj yeah, as if the Russkies doesn't have Advance AA Weapons. That's why Artillery is still the biggest contributor of casualties and wounded in Ukraine-Russo war.

[@timmybailey2514]

these talking heads always repeat the same narrative

[@Longtack55]

In WW1 50 million artillery rounds were expended.

[@thesaltbaron2237]

Why aren’t reporting on Seymour Hersch?

[@sammiller6631]

Why isn't The Salt Baron reporting on Seymour Butts?

[@rathindrasarkar3238]

Have any symptoms of artillery shortage in Russia ? Heard from April 22 same thing. Russia now started modern arms use.

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@bombheadgames9565]

Make 3D printers to print 3D printers that print shells?

[@troyingram716]

Consumption in excess of production: You got to watch automation increase production, it is astounding.

[@temper44]

It's a good thing Aliexpress doesn't sell artillery shells. Russia would be shopping with that mass discount and free shipping.

[@myhappyfarmtv9208]

Nope!They are supplying them.

[@Kannot2023]

They ate doing it.

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@frankcessna7345]

RAF C-17 Transports are delivery artillery shells - both 115MM and 122MM, from Pakistan with direct flights on a nearly daily basis.

[@Liboch]

Business is business

[@sadiqali9486]

@@Liboch Except when its russia importing from other countries. Pro Ukrainians have a justification for everything.

[@labeedimrankhan9205]

There is also news that Poland will transport Pakistan made Anza MANPADS to Ukraine.

[@angelocalsado33]

Did you just put in you thumbnail "why ammunition is key"?

[@stuglenn1112]

I've been hearing Russia is about to run out of Ammo for over a year. In other words this video as it relates to Russia running out of ammo is utter nonsense.

[@iamgreat1234]

I wonder why Malaysia government keep old weapons like artilleries and cannons in their arsenal. Now I see the brilliance behind it.

[@PediculusPL]

I don't believe the problems with artillery ammunition for Ukraine are unsolveable. There is a number of countries of 155mm ammo manufacturers around the world - many of whom are have good relations with NATO. It really should be possible to make orders in other countries as well as buy some ammunition, these countries have already stored. This is the kind of stuff achieveable without the US and European factories extending shifts or starting to work on 2 or 3 shifts.

[@user-cb2df9zy6d]

They still need to be delivered to the front, now the logistics are still working somehow, Putin hopes to restore relations with the people of Ukraine. And what will happen if the missiles arrive at the remaining energy infrastructure, fuel depots, railway junctions? NATO shells will be carried in backpacks?

[@PediculusPL]

@@user-cb2df9zy6d Russia didn't manage to destroy energy infrastructure despite many attempts nor did Russia destroy the railway system or fuel supplies of Ukraine. We'll see what the new offensive brings, but really it's too big of a task. In fact, I'd say that if the Russian army actually managed to achieve any progress by targetting railway junctions, they would have already done it.

[@tokarp390]

there is plenty of 105 mm ammo which is good enough for most cases

[@sebasstein7014]

​@@user-cb2df9zy6d The delivery isn`t that hard? Through Europe and Poland into Ukraine. The energy infrastructure Russia wasted so many missiles on is already repaired again and ehat are you talking about backpacks? Its not like Ukraine is running out of trucks anytime soon

[@Danielseven-ir2mq]

Never enough ammunition. 0:35. Current rate of ammunition consumption is higher, bigger than the current rate of production.

[@towTruck42]

is it me or would we lessen the artillery consumption if we gave them fighter jets and long range missiles?

[@butters969]

Ukraine would be off the map months ago if it didnt have 30 countries behind it, like it or not this is the truth

[@jerezano4096]

The Russian army is been out of missiles since March of 2022!!! Lol 😂

[@johnhmielewski1230]

If Russia isn't getting low on ammo and missiles they should stop asking Iran and North Korea for more.

[@r3dpowel796]

@@johnhmielewski1230 North Korea and Iran send Nothing to Russia except The Geran drones... you Think Iranian artillery is compatible with Russian ones?

[@cooljosh2307]

@@johnhmielewski1230 you're wrong. Russia has been using exploding vodka bottles ever since they ran out of ammunition. Seems like those bottles are quite large....

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@sammiller6631]

@@javierfrancia1938 How many times are you going spam the same response?

[@brandonstanley9125]

why the 40k discrepancy in daily average Russian shells? What are they producing?

[@MrjackieG]

I presume Russia began ordering ammo from outside nations before this began and probably still has a few million rounds of its own in reserve.

[@Nebrox]

Soviet shells will be an issue but certainly not 155mm NATO gear. Australia and France are jointly producing them as well as Northrop Grumman and Global Military Products in the US and BAE in the UK . Very proud that we are doing our bit to help Ukraine fight against this brutal dictators worst intentions.

[@SBmasta441]

Not nearly enough to match the gargantuan Russian shell production. Only the USA can even come close, and they are not close...

[@mirror452]

... would you PLEASE look at production numbers? The US is now planning to increase production, yes. They will in 2 YEARS produce enough each month to last Ukraine alone almost two weeks.

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@fredmidtgaard5487]

Norway is one of the top 3 producers in the world of modern artillery ammo. Sjekk NAMMO.

[@javierfrancia1938]

@@fredmidtgaard5487 Ukraine and its brave people are suffering from a proxy-war between NATO and Russia, Ukraine is no longer a functional country, it died many decades ago when the oligarchs took power and transformed Ukraine into the most corruptd country in Europe

[@percivalpercyluthuli]

Russia havnt said they are struggling why you think for them?

[@Crackshotsteph]

Cause they have to show that they are struggling as much as Ukraine is cause they can't make anything good for Russia.

[@Santiago-sh3cq]

I assume so that they can keep shooting.

[@blaisemorris1301]

OK, so now you get it ! and the next trick is to supply all sorts of different types of tanks, trucks etc !!!?

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@blaisemorris1301]

@@javierfrancia1938 yes! we thought that stabbing pain in our butt hole was just piles, turns out it's the government having their way with us!

[@javierfrancia1938]

@@blaisemorris1301 Ukraine and its brave people are suffering from a proxy-war between NATO and Russia, Ukraine is no longer a functional country, it died many decades ago when the oligarchs took power and transformed Ukraine into the most corruptd country in Europe

[@blaisemorris1301]

@@javierfrancia1938 More like USA and Russia, Nato is USA says and others do !

[@TheAirak]

Why is it that people can't wrap their heads around the difference between the words "less" and "fewer"?

[@thelazy0ne]

Because English.

[@r3dpowel796]

Russia Just Fired 66 Cruise missile into Ukraine lmao.. Its funny that somehow DW knows when was the shell was produced when there is nothing written on the shells. sometimes they said its recently made and sometimes they said its Old ammunition.

[@PeterTrimboli]

They are synonymous

[@ingloriuspumpkinpie9367]

The sentence is correct. Less ammunition. If they were talking about individual shells, it would be fewer shells.

[@SuperRede4u]

The USA has just signed contract(s) for $522 million of artillery for the Ukrainian forces. The 1st shipments of 155mm shells are due in March, so a few weeks to month at the most should see an uptick in artillery stock. If I was a betting guy I'd put my money on the allies over the orcs/ Iran /N Korea / China support for Putler in getting the job done.

[@williammorris584]

The Russians started with something like 17 million artillery rounds of all types, and have fired off a little more than half. This doesn’t count their production in the meantime, which at baseline was higher than the West. Russia doesn’t have a tank army, it has an artillery army with lots of tanks. They have more artillery systems in storage than in use, although the condition of that equipment is subject to question, just like their enormous reserve tank park. Russia fights long wars, so they make sure to have lots of stuff. Invariably their first year of wars have consisted of throwing bodies at their problems while they mobilize more men and equipment. What we have seen for the last year is entirely consistent with how Russia fights wars.

[@Ridethebomb777]

Bien .... you are drinking the Koolaid way too quickly. Europe have all but emptied their war warehouses, and even now are stating they will not be able to meet Tank numbers as thought. The shells that will be sent will last Ukraine 2 weeks. Do the math bright boy ...... Ukraine is firing 5-6000 shells to Russia's 20,000/day ...... they have had 8 years to tool up. They will be inserting 1800 tanks into the next offensive, from an original count (by the west) of over 14,500 tanks. I don't know what the F you have been listening to Bien ...... do your own research or listen to The Duran for an unbiased update. Ukraine is nearing its event horizon.

[@DavidDolus]

Good luck you re just an average joe guy.

[@oconnem1]

@@williammorris584 That suggests about 24,000 shells a day (half of 17 million). This is at the low end of estimates. Plus daily production. I know a guy who is fighting there and has been in both Bakhmut and Vuhledar. He made the point to me that russian accuracy has diminished because of worn barrels and also quite a high percentage of duds. I asked him about air bursts. He said he was in a trench and there were six airburst shells fired at them. Two exploded as airbursts. Four were complete duds. Exceptional but indicative of a growing problem.

[@sadiqali9486]

@@oconnem1 I've been hearing this artillery barrels shpeel since the war started 9 months later nothing changed.

[@acidbot666]

One year ago the west denounced Russia was out of amunition... That both comic and embarrasing to say the least!

[@carpenter3069]

Artillery crews do need to be selective and fire less. That's the reality.

[@Herodotus__]

😆 Why you adding Russia to the occasion? NATO is whining, they cant keep up 🙄.

[@calidude1114]

Imagine going to war or pretending to defend your country with not enough ammo?

[@hoplite1311]

My country defend it self without ammo and weapons,where were also embargo on the same ammo and weapons.People goes to war with hunting rifles with 4 bullets in it pockets.Guess what, we WON:-)

[@calidude1114]

@rory kinahan - I am talking about NATO countries who promise to protect their neighbors per a binding agreement yet have no ammo incase a real war starts so basically their agreement to protect is worthless.

[@langcheng4480]

@@hoplite1311 Israel?

[@hoplite1311]

@@langcheng4480 Croatia

[@maddog8004]

UK has sent more than10,000 anti-tank weapons 5,000 of whom are next generation light anti-tank weapons NLAW The U.S. has provided over 8,500 Javelin surface-to-air missiles. In Total western country's send 35.000 anti tank systems. Including systems engaged by RPG 7. Mine and Artillery strikes Russia lost roughly 6000 armored vehicles. In the best calculation possible NATO one shoot kill NLAW type weapons have a 1 in 5 shoot kill ratio.

[@frankcessna7345]

As a side note - the US has stopped further Javelin shipments to Ukraine - we’ve cut to far into our own emergency war stocks.

[@1777krn]

Sooo... where do I apply to make these? They hiring already?

[@stuartmcnaughton1495]

Obviously the lessons of the 1915 shell shortage scandal have been forgotten.

[@murrayflewelling1258]

Russia never imagined that the war would last this long and thought firing 20 k shells a day would bring victory......Russia lost more soldiers in a month than in both Chechen wars , the attacker always ( almost ) losses 3-1 attacking fixed locations , which Russia has been failing at for months....In summary.....I did my thesis on failed invasions.....told thousands of gloating Putin fans in July that it was Russia's high point......and no matter how much more pain is coming....Russia can not win this war !

[@mkodyChallengesYOurexistence]

@@murrayflewelling1258 u did ur thesis Others done it too And they have different conclusion from you I might add ( others who have been on front lines as victim and aggressor much later)

[@marcdc6809]

@@mkodyChallengesYOurexistence Russia has an industrial output of 15 to 20 times less than Nato countries, we can easily outproduce Russia, make sure Ukraine has the necessary tools to win this.

[@acslater017]

Easy to judge in hindsight and assuming infinite resources. The west hasn’t needed this much unguided artillery since the Korean War. The most recent conflicts were in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Artillery was used but not hundreds of thousands of shells per month. We also have much more precise weapons now, and a hundred other ways to blow up stuff other than 155 mm shells.

[@mkodyChallengesYOurexistence]

@@marcdc6809 actually Russia produces x2 of usa Putin said it himself in his own words live Last 2 weeks He said we produces x 2 usa And 3 the whole world Russia does not sleep ..it.produces he said If he is wrong..why did West media not latch onto it and expose him ??? He speaking facts as a leader Undipusted claim he made .....

[@ethimself5064]

The EU, NATO, and the WEST have been behind the ball instead of ahead of it

[@operator9858]

They put the ball up their nose instead lol

[@vincentray5226]

You write hyperbole quite well.

[@xtrey19x]

The EU and most of NATO? Yes. The USA? no.

[@Kannot2023]

What do you mean? Putin plays wrestling not football.

[@lnbt1]

@@Kannot2023 You got it all wrong! He is talking about the two balls. U know, when you wear the undie, do you wrap those balls up in front, or behind? 😝😝😝 I kept mine in-front. So, i am actually behind the balls as well. Anyhow, put the joke aside, he is right. I agreed with him.

[@sorennilsson9742]

3000 shells a day will be produced in the USA this year. If we to that add the production capability of other western nations the production will be close to 6000 a day this year. If the western world goes over to 7/24 production this year production will go up to 20 000 shells a day. Such a use of amunition is needed to force Russia to leave Ukraine. A production of 10 000 shells a day will stop Russia from taking more land in Ukraine.

[@GeneralGayJay]

Instead of firing blindly and hope to hit we should maybe only fire to hit and destroy a target?

[@jailbreak852]

Coercing private companies to increase production dramatically during peacetime usually requires subsidy of some sort

[@Liboch]

There go our taxes, again

[@frankcessna7345]

Subsidy - lmao…. To increase production at existing plants with new equipment and robotics in the US alone is expected to cost $500 million dollars and 3 years

[@MikeBenko]

There's no "coercement" of any kind here. What is being discussed is putting out these large volume orders. Historically NATO countries tend to order just enough ammunition to keep factories open at minimum capacity. If the US for example told its manufacturers "Here's a contract for 20k rounds a day for the next 2 years" those manufacturers will tool up, hire staff and get production rolling in no time. But they need a contract first.

[@MikeBenko]

@@frankcessna7345 Which side of your a** did you pull that number/time frame out of?

[@Liboch]

It will be way faster and definitely cheaper giving contract to manufacturers from China.. Just like other stuffs

[@Cyril_Sneer]

Some say, the People are the key, at all... 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@kevinjhonson5925]

This just in “ ammunition is key” now that’s a hard hitting headline. Who would have thought you need ammo in a war.

[@jackoh5134]

Stoltenberg sounds like he has been castrated.

[@USB740]

Indeed war is expensive and costs a lot of money and resources. That is why if a war is not brought to a conclusion quickly it ends up in a stalemate that can take many years to resolve. And the longer it take the more it will drag out because the resources incrementally decrease on both sides - this is called attrition. Until one side's morale finally breaks and or there is a major breakthrough causing the collapse of the opposing force where the fortunes can no longer be reversed either due to exhaustion or lack of weapons and supplies. Wars like this one is replete through out history and they always end up having to be settled on the negotiation table with a set of compromises by both sides.

[@snapdragon6601]

Stalemates can eventually be broken but it takes a lot of commitment. That's what happened in the 1st world war, and although it could be argued that it was settled diplomatically at Versailles, in reality the peace was dictated to the Central Powers by the Entente. After the Musse Argon offensive in late 1918 Imperial Germany just had nothing left.

[@operator9858]

A stalemate is when niether side can get a hand up on the other. Russia is going to devour the zelenski line whole...

[@pindot787]

@@operator9858 1 year later on a middle of stalemate? not going to happen.

[@operator9858]

@@pindot787 you do know that russia has a quarter million troops in reserve right now dont you?

[@pindot787]

@@operator9858 Wont even matter, ukiraine train 50K new soldier each months in germany and various other countries, and already prepared for the new offensive. worst case russian would take bakhmut. its still a long long road to kiev.

[@indikamudalige8682]

Simply jokes. As per west Russia is running out of stock from the 3rd week of the war. The common sense is that the russian military industrial complex has high capacity to produce those shells but we simply under estimate.

[@lguill05]

Why not question the effectiveness of the use of ammo? Russia knows it has no supply of ammo to lean on other than its own. Now Ukraine on the other hand, has conditioned itself mentally that things are provided for them. Ukraine has received more aid than Afghanistan or South Vietnam ever received. Let that sink in.

[@disanKh]

Thumbnail: why ammunition is key... Meanwhile War 👀👄👀

[@thisismyname007]

Joseph Geobels gave a speech wherein he asked the German people if they wanted “total war.” The Germans converted to total war to late though.

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@flubberlane8437]

Russia 🇷🇺 is going thru ammunition like me going thru a pink box of donuts 🍩 😀

[@baseline_hitchshalhoub2686]

Is key to what exactly? WW3?

[@mariojakowicki8973]

How do you know Russia ran out of ammunition???

[@sayeedakhtar8647]

WHITE HOUSE said so from looking at their CRYSTAL BALL.😏😏

[@ahmekhassan]

Russia has no problem with artillery.

[@DimISTrus]

Artillery God of War.

[@cedric3973]

NATO countries instead of blaming industry for not keeping up you think they would just put in actual ORDERS to get the ammo and shells made. I troop with no bullets is a target or just a POW

[@bq1000bq]

That's why Russia is begging Iran and North Korea for artillery shells.

[@cedric3973]

@@bq1000bq they are actually buying ammo, meanwhile NATO is running downs its stocks to deadly levels. If theres a war europe will basically have disarmed itself.

[@gayanhewegeonline4594]

Yeah, Russia is running out of missiles! Hureeeeee 🤣🤣👍

[@HenryTan-pj2oi]

Nay. I won't be so worried about Russia. BTW... ... you know what is making millionaires of rounds for Russia and Ukraine means? It means basically heaven and earth in costs... ... Even drones from Iran is at much cheaper range. What this all means... ... is... ... ...is... ... ... hehehehehe~

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@colindavis1496]

Russia isn't struggling for ammunition, burning up old stock is not an indicator of Russia running low, it's the same thing as anyone rotating old food stock in their pantry so it doesn't go to waste, while simultaneously replacing it with new stock. Russia's weapons manufacturing factories are running 24/7, while the West in many cases aren't even tooled for the type of ammo Ukrainian weapons need. Russia is weighing heavily on artillery warfare to get the job done because it's a cheaper way to fight a war while simultaneously preserving their high end weaponry such as aircraft and newer equipment in case they do indeed need to face NATO on the battlefield, artillery is devastating, easy to replace in most cases and cheap to produce...!!!

[@ericp1139]

Yup. It's such an easy explanation that the West tries very hard to contort.

[@r3dpowel796]

Russia Just Fired 66 Cruise missile into Ukraine lmao.. Its funny that somehow DW knows when was the shell was produced when there is nothing written on the shells. sometimes they said its recently made and sometimes they said its Old ammunition.

[@kavarikevin2119]

Best point ever thanks.

[@sammiller6631]

"the West _in many cases_ aren't even tooled" Notice how you use weasel words to wiggle around instead of using actual numbers that could be proven wrong? The EU already makes more artillery shells than the US. Russia is not preserving their high end weaponry. It's well documented to be in wide use now.

[@colindavis1496]

@@sammiller6631...lol...Silly, you accuse of not using numbers then go on to use none yourself, you're such a kidder...!!!

[@TheyForcedMyHandLE]

I'm still surprised by Russia's lack of capabilities.

[@lda1729]

Yeah, they keep saying it from the start of the war, but somehow Ukraine is still not winning or what are they trying to do , I don’t know at this point

[@Mike-qo8nm]

Because you can't unalive the enemy with happy thoughts¿

[@lugardboy]

Why peace is the key

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@gigachadsitler]

As a man from Europe, we European think Uk France Germany are strongest Countries but reality is China India Russia Brazil are way more stronger than uk France and Germany.

[@RoninTF2011]

LOL, strawmanbuilding at its finest

[@danthomas6470]

This is categorically false. Russia and china are both facing population declines. Russia due to a century of drafting all men for all wars and poor tactical planning. And China due to it's one child policy. Both have past the point of no return. They are inferior in weapons and tactics. They are also economically weaker and all face severe starvation risks from sanctions if they invade. Nobody is trying to take over India, china or Russia.

[@iura_ch]

Fun fact, I hear from many places that those "long range" of 30-50-80-150km are classified as "short to medium range" weapons in Ukrainian doctrine. And probably in NATO, too.

[@RiderOftheNorth1968]

For artillery 30-50-80-150 km IS long. If you take in weapons like missiles in the picture it is short to medium, yes.

[@iura_ch]

@@RiderOftheNorth1968 yea, but for the general public in the context of "will that be too provocative for Russia, or not" it's just *weapons*, and "long range" sounds scary, like, as if it could reach Moscow

[@tokarp390]

@@iura_ch weakeness is provocative for Russia

[@Kayasvadji]

Good reportage! But in others you wash our brains with everlasting victory of Ukraine

[@4rct1c9Ic3m4n]

Just a matter of time before both sides ran out of ammo. What are they going to do then, spit at each other on the battlefield?

[@Letsgo-sg4cy]

Nice idea 😜.they can use sticks

[@r3dpowel796]

Russia Just Fired 66 Cruise missile into Ukraine lmao.. Its funny that somehow DW knows when was the shell was produced when there is nothing written on the shells. sometimes they said its recently made and sometimes they said its Old ammunition.

[@frankthetank5708]

It's unlikely that the European supporters will run out of shells. A brand new factory will be opened in June 23 in Germany and a Spanish factory has been renovated and has already started production again.

[@eimisavageofficial9196]

West and nato ran out of ammo Time to stop this senseless war.

[@ovidijusvoronkovas1150]

But that means keeping Russia completely out of any ways to make money. Poor Russia is a peaceful Russia.

[@Ridethebomb777]

Russia is shelling at a rate of at least 20,000/day to Ukraine's 5-6000/day. Enough said.

[@oconnem1]

One other factor to take into consideration. Accuracy. I'd rather have 5,000 very accurate shells fired at carefully chosen targets than 20,000 inaccurate shells fired in a general direction.

[@FIFO28]

@@oconnem1 so be it... slowly taking grounds

[@calvinhoward3808]

@@oconnem1 5k or 20k, they all land in Ukraine anyways. How is that remotely winning? Even if Ukraine is "successful", then they've ravaged 20% of their own territory.

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@v.d6809]

@@oconnem1 That's not how it works. Both use drones as spotters to adjust fire. No one is just randomly firing at open fields for the sake of it.

[@nukiolbartes6279]

Around 4:20 “… west have engaged in pointless wars, ..many regard as displacement activity..” Can someone elaborate what displacement activity mean?

[@carpenter3069]

Himars are the type of weapon that forms the backbone of any modern army. Nothing matches it for economy and effectiveness. (with the help of drone surveillance). NATO should be all in. (this side of boots on the ground) Anything else is akin to the same mentality as watching dog fights. Why drag it out? I suppose a long protracted war would weaken Russia most but it is inhumane to sacrifice Ukrainian soldiers for Russian hardware. I do realize we are doing a decent job but I hope F-16 pilots are training now. ATACMS should be given now and used exclusively on railroad bridges, ammo depots, and refineries - even within Russian borders.

[@lnbt1]

Russie, Don't use all ammunitions. You will need the last one for Putin and his cronies to play the russian roulette!

[@duncansmith7562]

"why not use less?" Ukraine has been using about one sixth of what Russia has been using for the last year! Using LESS will dislodge the Russians and lead to the recapture of Crimea?

[@silafaupaulmeredith7251]

Russia is not struggling it is Ukraine and NATO

[@bq1000bq]

just like the Moskva was sunk by a cigarette butt.

[@silafaupaulmeredith7251]

@@bq1000bq The sinking of the Moskva was a great victory for the western intelligence and Ukraine but at the end of the day Ukraine will be another AFGHANISTAN and then the US will move to China for another coflict and no one will talk about Ukraine anymore.

[@bq1000bq]

@@silafaupaulmeredith7251 And Putin will invade Moldova then Poland then Bulgaria then Germany then France and everyone is happy living under Putin. LOL

[@silafaupaulmeredith7251]

@@bq1000bq That arguement has been used over and over again. It was used to get US troops in Vietnam as to stop communism from going all the way to Australia. Here is my take based on what I have seen from experts around the world. Moldova current government is not very popular with its domestic population for 2 factorts. 1 They were elected largely from overseas Moldovas. 2. There is huge inflation and econmic challenges as a result of EU sanctions. But Ukraine might invaded Transnistria becasue it would get Russia involved and also becasue of the ammunition stocks in Transnistria. Russia would not go into Poland unless Poland pushes into western Ukraine which was traditionally Poland land but that is why Russia has forces up north in Belarus. Russia does not have the capocity to go into Germany and France and it is not in their interest. They are pivoting mnow to the east whidch is where all the economic growth is comming and will come from in the future. here is huge support for Putin n the global souyth even in my country as he fights all of NATO and US hegemony. We are confused becasue no one even cared when Iraq, Syria, Libya were destroyed by these same people who now wnats us to care about Ukraine.

[@bq1000bq]

@@silafaupaulmeredith7251 "Ukraine might invade Moldova" LOL. And you are quiet when Putin threatened nuclear attacks on other nations.

[@Alex-lm1cj]

News agencies are desperate 😆 🤣 This means Mr. Giefmeyourmoney is around the corner.

[@gaptaxi]

There are many European ammunition factories, so why aren´t they producing at full speed, easy, because the different Governments including Germany are not signing contracts for ammunition and without signed contracts no company is going to produce expensive ammunitions! Somebody has to take the lead as tanks will be sent but their ammunition needs are going to be huge soon, and some really high tech weaponry take weeks to make. This War will not stop should ammunition run out, they will fix bayonets and charge at each other with even trenching tools, this has happened before, it doesn´t stop the killing.

[@bombheadgames9565]

Ultimately precision is the fulcrum. If Ukraine can identify, mark and hit its targets it needs far less shells and missiles.. Unlike Russian helicopters policy 'just fire west and hope for the best'

[@operator9858]

All our stuff is gps guided. Russian equipment is not (meaning if a real fight goes down then the satellites will be soon to follow and we are borked). And if you dont think the russians have smart weapons too these days you dont have any idea what ukraine is up against...

[@javierfrancia1938]

2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid

[@bq1000bq]

@@javierfrancia1938 Happy that my tax dollars are supporting freedom and saving lives in Ukraine.

[@lda1729]

@@bq1000bq omg, there are really people, who believe this 😩 I’m so sorry for you Well, good news, they can’t lie forever I guess

[@epuchildren8780]

NATO does not want a quick victory by Ukraine. NATO prefers a long protracted war where Russia spent all their ammunition, hardware, and exhausted their people. In the long term, this will hurt Russia moreso than a quick loss. The horrible consequences of this strategy is many more Ukrainians will die and the recovery will have to wait longer.

[@angeurbain6129]

Ukrane just cannot have a ''quick victory'' over Russia, not metter what the Nato want. And Nato itself cannot have a quick victory over Russia. The ukrainians fight a proxy war against Russia for Nato. And Nato, specilally the americans are willing to fight this war until the last ukrainian.

[@HenryTan-pj2oi]

Hahahahahahahahahaha... ... Actually just the opposite... ... if this goes on in the long run, Europe will be in deep trouble. You people are really thinking western made supplies are as cheap as NERF darts? Hehehehehehehehe... ... If they provide fighter jets, you guys know at such burn rates, not including maintenance per flight by the F16 Ukraine wants, just the daily missiles burn rate... ... Anyone knows how much per missile actually cost??? And then you need the shells for the tanks too which Ukraine wants. So you need to invest much much into producing all those, including spare parts... ... with no ROI for consequence, and this is ASSUMING that after Ukraine game ends, NATO Europe won't be seeing Poland or Baltics stuck in bombardments from Russia... ... and quickly depleting existing reserves kept from Ukraine. If we just ceteris paribus on everything, yes yes yes... ... Russia will be in trouble... ... Problem is, in truth, the longer this drags, Europe can collapse... ... and Russia will drool at Europe... ... War is not so simple.

[@davidwalz94]

At least the Russian empire will be incapacitated for decades to come instead of being stopped dead in its tracks and thus having another shot in a few years from now. A worthwhile trade imo, as sad as it is for the ukranians.

[@angeurbain6129]

@@davidwalz94 Right now it seems that the europeans vassals will be incapacitated for decades to come...

[@HenryTan-pj2oi]

@@davidwalz94 Quite wrong... ... But too sleepy to type more... ...

[@tusk3260]

How is russia struggling when they just keep intensifying their fire. Currently they fire 10k artillery shells per day. Ukraine is down to 2k. Russia was only shooting 5k per day last year. And once they finished building their new factories, the Russians will increase again to 20k per day. Yes Russia want more shells then it currently has, but they aren't running out like Ukraine is.

[@readthetruthonly]

Is Russia told that they struggle for weapons

[@udaychaudhary255]

Russia aint struggling

[@azymight]

russian is out missiles since last year isnt it?

[@violetbunny1457]

ahahaha

[@rammone5241]

The math is easy, Ukraine gets their ammunition from NATO, they cannot produce the amount that Ukraine is expending. Russia has factories running 24/7 stocking up for the massive spring offensive and will continue to add to surplus. This is driving the Russian economy to fill workers at these factories, they are have also broken ground on new factories for artillery ammunition in the past year, and production will be in full swing by summer on these new factories. Ukraine will run out of ammunition by summer or sooner, Russian is giving them targets to spend those rounds faster than they can receive them, then make them pull reserves from all over Ukraine to one central location, once they fall for the bait, look north my friend, look north. Too bad operation Rolling Thunder was already taken, operation meat grinder is coming to an end, next operation, operation "Hammer Down!!"

[@lhomosapiens2906]

Who said Russia was struggling to keep ammunition?

[@ssglbc1875]

I don’t think they are because they rely on artillery unlike many western country’s.

[@GottuboiBeachVolleyball]

The key take was “the will” of the WEST to produce artillery to give Ukraine. NATO and Allies looks like they’re panicking how fast Ukraine use artillery per day.

[@bq1000bq]

Luckily the Russians are not panicking and are happy to fire a million rounds a minute. With Iran and North Korea limitless supplies!

[@duncansmith7562]

Russia's buying artillery from Iran and N Korea does NOT show that Russian stocks are running low. It shows that Russia has secured a bargain deal and will most likely exchange nuclear technology to both countries for every missile both Iran and N Korea can add to Russia's massive stockpile. Russia must keep some back for when they have to dish it out to NATO.

[@SelfProclaimedEmperor]

Russia doesn't think that way, Russia has no planning for the future, If they did they would have withdrawn their foreign currency reserves from western banks before invading Ukraine

[@operator9858]

We dont know anything about iran or nk involvement. All we know is that iran sent 'some' drones to russia before the war and has been talking to them. Nk they know nothing at all. Its just more nonsense like all the rest...

[@barrylane1055]

Really???? And what is your source for this Mr. Smith?????

[@SuperRede4u]

@@barrylane1055 I'm sure that "it's trust me bro". The universal #1 one source for irrefutable information.

[@SuperRede4u]

@@sofu6929 Are you talking about the 155mm shell contracts? If so just google it, it will show multiple sources at the top of the results. If otherwise you are the one being vague by not even referring to what you have a beef with!

[@supul32]

What a waste of resources

[@jasonyu4380]

chinese balloons can counter iranian drones.

[@coldturkey5333]

NATO: We need to increase ammo production !!! Manufacturers: We need energy to do that ! NATO: We’ll impose wider sanctions on Russian energy. Give Stoltenberg a rifle and pack him off to Bakhmut

[@sammiller6631]

Europe already produces more munitions than the US.

[@einroboter1301]

DW - as a German media, why you don't report Seymour Hersh's Nord Stream update?

[@mavigogun]

This is about ordinance supply inadequacies, comrade- though I can understand why you might like to change the subject.

[@angeurbain6129]

Because Germany is a vassal state to the americans.

[@thesaltbaron2237]

@@mavigogunsuck on that copium

[@mavigogun]

@@thesaltbaron2237

[@CedarHunt]

They don't report the update because they are a reputable media group that doesn't peddle conspiracy theories and completely unsupported rumors.

[@peterp5099]

The West can easily outproduce Russia long term, but only long term. Short term, the western ammunition stocks are running low. The Bundeswehr a.e. reported to have only ammunition left for two days of fighting in case it needed to fight. Mid term the production of ammunition is already being ramped up to war scale in Russia, while it’s uncertain when such a ramp up will start in the West. The Russians attempted a fast and decisive “special military operation” at the beginning. The Ukrainians turned that into a real war, which the Russians were not prepared for. More recently, the Russians turned the war into a war of attrition, something the West are not prepared for. Small elite armies with elite equipment are what western countries are doing for decades already, these armies lack the mass for a prolonged war of attrition. And they lack the big stocks of equipment and ammunition to support the Ukraine in such a war. So now it would be time for the Ukrainians to change the nature of this conflict again, from a war of attrition into something else - because if they don’t, they are likely to lose the war of attrition.

[@philliphall5198]

With longer range weapons Ukraine can destroy ammunition before it gets to the big guns Wake Up people

[@sirxavior1583]

If Ukraine gets jets, would it not depend on artillery less? Similar to how the Stuka Dive Bomber in the early stages of WWII was used as a mobile Artillery.

[@cookiecola5852]

I dont think that the concern... Fighter jets are very expensive, a single piece and to maintain them... Little will prevent Russia from launching one of their better missiles and destroy a landing strip and hangars full of planes. Basically its a big defeat for Ukraine and would look like a massive scandal in the west if that were to happend, but instead West could lend some CIWS to start of with, protects against drones and can be used to protect an airports or other infrastructures

[@Remyalexander]

They need a whole new lvl of planing. Airport security, flight engineers, training and logistics. Maby that even means western tropps in Ukraine. But they are already training pilots, so i belive its on the agenda.

[@liuyifei1989]

This isn't a Toyota corolla, that you changed the oil and tires. For example f16 needs 17 hours of maintenance per every hour flown. And it cost about 27,000 per hour to fly it. Not to mention the spare parts facility etc. Not to mention a good maintenance crew takes years to be proficient. I love how people think sending planes is as easy as driving a car off the dealership lots.

[@calciumhealth]

Fighter bombers would help, but wouldn't come close to answering Ukraine's artillery needs. Consider that planes can only carry a few bombs at a time before having to refuel and re-arm. Also, the Ukrainians have lost most of their jets due to anti-aircraft missiles (as have Russians); and donated F-16s and Grippens will run into the same exposure. The Ukrainians will need more ammo (from bullets and mortars to artillery and rockets) to push Putin's forces back.

[@patwilson2546]

That would be part of the move from area coverage to precision, however, that move can be accomplished in many ways. Accurate ground systems like HIMARs and Excalibur are already in use. However, fact is that Ukraine is still largely a Soviet army. They use mostly Soviet weapons. Those require Soviet ammo, and Ukraine's suppliers don't make that. The west has to accelerate the process towards making the Ukrainian army a western equipped army. In the middle of an ongoing war. That is not easy. Converting the army is a massive task in itself, especially since Ukraine is going to get a monstrous mash up of equipment from many sources. At least four distinct types of tanks, with subtypes of some, and who knows how many variants of AFVs and IFVs. Each distinct piece of equipment has its own needs. There is a reason why armies do not (or should not) field 12 different kinds of tanks. If doing this with land based equipment is difficult, doing it with an air force is much more so. They are hugely expensive and have an enormous logistics tail. It really is not feasible except in the long term. We should have been moving in that direction months ago. Hopefully we are now. However, even if we had we still wouldn't be close.

[@diazvirdani1059]

*Russia🇷🇺 still occupied oblast Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, Kherson, Crimea.* Russia must end occupation & peace!!