How South Park Used Dark Humor to Expose Abusive Therapy

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

Butters not knowing what bi-curious means and yet giving an incredibly passionate and accurate speech calling out the bullshit of homophobia and conversion therapy is absolutely hysterical. Classic Butters.

[@jacksonvoet8312]

He’s foolish, but as the fool arcana states, the fool has limitless potential.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

@@jacksonvoet8312 Butters totally would be the Fool arcana.

[@mikip282]

@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343what would cartman be? the tower? 😂😂

[@SharpGT]

Vgƙ​@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343

[@bluezero8557]

Conversation therapy doesn't work because something defective can't always be fixed.

[@Emperor_Palpatine_66]

Person with Tourette’s here: school become OVERWHELMINGLY easier after the South Park episode. Everyone knew what it was in advance and were very supportive BECAUSE of that episode.

[@ghostyc04]

I think you've commented on the wrong video. I might be wrong, but yeah

[@aeolianthecomposer]

Glad to hear that

[@SkyMika.]

@@ghostyc04​​⁠​⁠ Probably because it was mentioned. 1:15

[@ghostyc04]

@@SkyMika. My bad

[@fenixchief7]

Kids getting morality lessons from South Park is absolutely whats fucked up with this world

[@yawninghamster7238]

I love Butters speech at the end. He manages to be totally right while having no idea what bicurious actually is. 😂

[@tahraethestoryteller6079]

I love how Bradley didn’t even try to throw Butters under the bus for the magazine Whereas literally everyone in his life would

[@kitthecat0274]

tbh it just makes it so much more sad for me bc it demonstrates that he really is a good person, but is being told every day that he’s not and that instead he’s an abomination 😭😭 ik it’s just a show but it’s heartbreaking to think that bradley’s character is hardly an exaggeration when it comes to the real life experiences of queer youth who have had to go through this

[@judahsmyth5398]

whenever i think of things like conversion therapy, my mind just immediately goes to "god doesn't make mistakes" "then why do you think being gay is bad"

[@drakoronus]

They'll just respond "that's devil's job!!!" and still see you below them

[@droopdanke2323]

Pretty sure the Bible is pretty clear about how everyone is born a sinner 🤔

[@drakoronus]

@@droopdanke2323 Nah, that's Augustine Aurelius's idea that comes from the INTERPRETATION of the Bible

[@bigmona2741]

Simply because the Bible says homosexuality is an abomination. You either believe it or you don’t.

[@TheRook-mz2kg]

@@bigmona2741 I'm pretty sure thats more of a case of misguided interpretation, but sadly because of dogma, its taken as fact by some people, thankfully, not all.

[@blabbilizer]

Hi! Member of the LGBT here. I personally think ppl who claim this show is homophobic has never watched it. If anything, this show has better LGBT rep than most shows

[@user-Hhuhman]

Yes

[@ruttama]

literally lmao Take Creek for example. Those two have the healthiest relationship in the show

[@blabbilizer]

@@ruttama so true

[@anonimes4005]

More like LGB, the trans stuff sucks ass

[@lunatheluma3804]

They definitely dont seem to be homophobic, but they do seem to be very transphobic

[@kaizen_casey]

I hate when people act like these types of camps have gone away in America. They still are kicking in several states and even states where it’s illegal the same practices still happen under a dif name. Many camps that are for “disturbed” or misbehaving kids may be used for kids with actual behavioral issues but a lot of times that “behavioral problem” is them being gay or trans.

[@boinkmcbingo8890]

Cool now what's your opinion on the gay camp ran by gay people?

[@zakkholguin3942]

Aren't they actually in states like Montana where they allow corporal punishment?

[@kaizen_casey]

@@boinkmcbingo8890 that it’s a straw man argument. What does that have to do with the several camps that allow torture across several states

[@boinkmcbingo8890]

@@kaizen_casey straight indoctrination is evil but mentioning gay indoctrination is a strawman understood 👍

[@kaizen_casey]

@@boinkmcbingo8890 I guarantee that the camp you are talking about is not physically and psychologically torturing children into being gay. The same is not true for the camps we are talking about. It’s not an issue of sexuality, the issue is children being tortured, so yeah bringing up other camps is a strawman unless they are torturing kids and if that camp IS torturing kids which I doubt, then it should be shut down too.

[@Cloudy._.Reality]

I’m Bisexual and I KNOW South Park isn’t homophobic. The representation of transgender people is not the best, but it’s clear that it isn’t homophobic. I love South Park

[@Poisoned_corpse]

I’m under the trans umbrella and I agree. The show isn’t there to poke fun at the minorities it pokes fun at the people who discriminate against them and the stupid clichés

[@MegumiMary]

I'm trans and I agree They try to be trans positive- I can tell- but they don't do it right and it comes across as transphobic as a result. Board Girls is an example of I see what they were going for but their execution was horrid and they missed the mark horribly- it is very telling they haven't tried to do anything blantantly trans since. The problem is South Park likes to go to extreemes to point out why the argument is BS but when the bad faith arguments being used against trans people are the same extreemes used in satires of these bad faith arguments it doesn't work. That is why people think "The Cissy" and "Board Girls" are transphobic when they were really about pointing and laughing at these bad faith arguments and saying "That's just BS and clearly not reality"

[@vincentthe1st]

people just jump the gun way too soon

[@NoobDeSupreme]

@@Poisoned_corpse "trans umbrella' lol bro doesnt understnad gender.

[@Poisoned_corpse]

@@NoobDeSupreme the trans umbrella term? It’s not hard to understand. Trans= not cisgender someone who’s nonbinary for example could consider themselves trans or someone who’s genderfluid and ect ect

[@T0B3573R]

Straight camp is torture. It’s cruel, and evil and disgusting. The scene where Bradley is about to jump, and says, “I’ll never be normal.” how Butters replies, “You’re perfectly normal, Bradley.” It’s speaking to the audience that being gay is perfectly normal and natural, and you’re normal. Trey and Matt are good people, like genuinely. If they just had an episode that argued a completely obvious point that “Being gay is totally okay.” Then people who disagree won’t watch it, or they’ll simply just ignore the shows obvious message. But mixing the message in with edgy humor is South Park’s way of communicating good values without making people who are blinded by bigotry to see that their way of thinking is cruel and wrong in certain ways. Butters uses their logic against them in his speech. “I wasn’t confused until you started telling me I was!” And he says, “If I’m bi-curious, and I’m made from God, then that means God must be a little bi-curious himself.” Which works perfectly as an argument against people who say that being gay is “wrong” in some way, even though it’s not harming anyone, and it’s not causing any problems for society, and it’s been exhibited in animals, and it’s not connected to morality in the slightest. People say it’s evil, but it’s because they need some sort of justification for hating them, because it “goes against God’s plan.” But if people are born bi-curious, or gay, it must be because God made them that way because they were made in his image. The truth is that there is no justification for disliking gay people, and you using anything as leverage to hate them can be refuted by logic, science, or just by simply seeing that it’s normal and fine and natural. Some people are gay, some people are straight, and it’s okay for us to be different.

[@lunatheluma3804]

I fully agree, i do think that one area where matt and trey have a bad take is with transgender people though, every representation of a trans person in the show has been bad, first mr./mrs. Garrison transitioning because he was a gay man (and them demonizing gender affirming surgeries in that episode), making women uncomfortable in places like bathrooms and gay bars by talking about their vagina, and becoming a lesbian after transition and then de-transitioning just to become a stand in for trump, then their entire portrayal of caitlyn jenner (except the bit where she keeps hitting people with her car, thats really funny and a good reference), and then that person in the womens sports episode. They dont seem to truly believe that trans people are actually trans, that trans people are transitioning either due to stupidity or to get treated better in some way.

[@T0B3573R]

@@lunatheluma3804 Yes, those scenes are shitty, but I feel like the episode with strong woman’s experiences with that guy was more like a message about your own morals getting in the way of confronting certain issues affecting people. Because in that episode, the character who was labeled as “transgender” turned out not to actually be transgender, and they just wanted to show that they were stronger than Strong Woman, and all women because they were Strong Woman’s Ex. That, and Strong Woman says in an interview before the competition that she’s competed with many transgender women before in the Olympics, and that’s she’s happy to normalize transgender athletes and stuff. She treats it with respect and decency because she knows that being transgender doesn’t necessarily make you have an “advantage” or “disadvantage” in sports. It’s more attuned to your physicality and genetics and hormonal levels. Secondly, if we look at the episode “The Cissy” it’s Cartman being “transgender” to have his own bathroom and be selfish, and Wendy literally says, “Cartman, there are real people dealing with issues with their gender identity and you-“ and, Wendy, being one of the most reasonable characters in the show, beats Cartman at his own game by going by Wendyl, and using the transgender bathroom. There’s also a scene with Mr. Garrison after he detransitions where he says, “You can’t be a woman if you can’t give birth.” And one of the teachers replies, “but my wife is infertile.” And he says back, “Well then you’ve been fucking a dude.” Making fun of the logic that people make against transgender people about them, “never being a woman” or “never being a man.” There’s also a thing with Randy dressing up as a woman, and making music, and singing in the woman’s bathroom, and he gets to experience transphobia from people who say that he “shouldn’t be in the woman’s restroom” (they perceive him as a trans woman) and instead of it treating them as the reasonable ones, they treat Randy as the one who’s the victim. So, to me at least, the show does treat transgender people as real people in some scenes and stuff. What I’d like to see would be an actual transgender character that reacts to some of the things from Mr. Garrison to make a clearer statement on how there’s a difference between transgender people, and Mr. Garrison.

[@lunatheluma3804]

@T0B3573R Yeah, the Cissy is a pretty good episode when it comes to the trans bathroom issue, but I would argue that the sports episode with Strongwoman doesn't do enough to make the distinction between actual trans athletes and the "trans" character they have, and the message ends up coming across that men are entering womens sports as transwomen in order to beat women and tear them down. I feel it could have benefited from having a real trans character also competing and pointing out that he never should have been allowed to compete in a serious women's sporting event anyway due to not meeting HRT requirements or something, just have an actual trans athlete character to show that this isn't an issue with trans people, and that there are systems in place to keep sports fair that aren't just banning transwomen, like what they did with randy vs cartman in the cissy (even though randy isn't really trans but whatever). As is, it can come across as denouncing trans women in sports as a whole, which is extra permanent now with the Imane Khelif situation (despite Imane being a cis woman anyway)

[@T0B3573R]

@@lunatheluma3804 I agree. Sometimes South Park doesn’t do enough to make the distinction between their comedic take on something controversial and having it have genuinely good characters or characters that don’t necessarily fit the theme of the mockery character or whatever. Because otherwise people will take it out of context and use this character as a way of understanding Trey and Matt’s true stance on that subject.

[@jamesvonborcke]

_If they just had an episode that argued a completely obvious point that “Being gay is totally okay.”_ Wasn't that the point of _Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride?_ Seems to me that set that metric in Season 1 and just kept it true to the present... Excepting for Garrison's various, ahem, conflicts.

[@IMPofTHEGASsTATION]

i think a lot of queer people's assume south park is homophobic just because of the reputation it has for being offensive, which usually ends up meaning homophobic in a lot of media, and because of that they never end up watching the show itself or bothering to learn anymore about it besides assumptions also, the fact that south park's trans rep isn't exactly the best probably doesn't help

[@lunatheluma3804]

Yeah, it definitely isnt homophobic but it is pretty transphobic

[@Undomaranel]

​@@lunatheluma3804 And yet said trans teacher is still a teacher, interacts with society, voice is on par with peers, and no one really shames... I'd say that's trans-positive representation.

[@lunatheluma3804]

@Undomaranel nobody mentioned the trans teacher here, and if you truly think that mr/mrs Garrison is positive trans representation, then i question your thought process

[@Undomaranel]

@@lunatheluma3804 I'm questioning what "positive representation" would be, if it's not being treated as an equally flawed peer.

[@lunatheluma3804]

@Undomaranel Garrison shows almost immediate regret about transitioning, says that he will never be a woman, and goes back to being a man as soon as medically possible. Everything about his character being trans works to demonize or invalidate trans experiences. The closest south park gets to food trans representation is Randy as Lorde in the episode "the cissy"

[@owlspiritpal7559]

As a trans woman this show gets lgbtq better than most shows. It never portrays them in the wrong for their identity and at most says it’s okay to ask some questions if they’re not rooted in bigotry which is perfectly reasonable They also have top tier disability rep since they’re portrayals are always accurate and are never stereotypical

[@Glitterc0m]

Most queer rep is good, but theyre wildly transphobic

[@dlord96301]

Ya it's super interesting like there biggest issue they have is with representing trans people but at the same time everytime they do that it's always the worst people like cartman or Mr garrison being at the forefront of the episode or the arc. And when you take into account mr garrison is extremely problematic of course him being trans is like the worst possible example of what the far right thinks of trans people and not what they actually are. Or the Strongwoman episode where they just have randy savage pretending to be trans in a blatantly satire way that matt Walsh would unironically try to do and fail at his terrible lady ballers movie because it just doesn't work that way at all

[@woopwoop-pc5dk]

No one cares

[@keckingrabbit354]

Ah the duality of humanity.

[@Logic44]

@@woopwoop-pc5dk You cared enough to comment lol

[@DeathWolf88888]

I'm queer and I don't think South Park is homophobic. They feature queer characters in positive lights sometimes. Yeah, sometimes it's not the best. But the point of the show is satire. I'm not really a South Park fan/avid watcher. But I enjoy seeing some of it every now and then. Also people mad about South Park should redirect that anger to genuinely bad indented pieces of media

[@IamJustA]

All the show does is portray real world issues in a cartoonish way to shed light on subjects that most media sources are too afraid to even mention (especially scientology). I know I'm 2 weeks late but this video just got recommended to me.

[@arcania6441]

"Either everything is okay to make fun of, or nothing is." -South park.

[@davesleyer9393]

When I was 8 I got sent to a boys camp for “at risk youth” It was pretty terrible. It took me way too long to figure out that it wasn’t summer camp. I was excited to ride in the back of a cop car and see the inside of the jail. It didn’t take me long to not like the cops that were running the program though. That was my Butters moment.

[@leileyaravencroft]

Oh… you poor thing! I hate to hear about youths (even in some cases adults) who are forced to go to those camps. It might be silly but I think it is a little sweet that you weren’t aware at first. It shows that you have a good nature. Truthfully, I’m that dense now and I’m 42.

[@davesleyer9393]

@@leileyaravencroft thank you. I learned a lot from those summers even if it took 20 years for the moral to make sense.

[@KittyKat-ky5us]

❤️

[@Frankie-Ak]

Hi, trans and pan guy here, and i have watched southpark. Its not homophobic. The creators fuck with everybody while showing actual real world issues. The fact they decided to focus on the issues of conversion therapy just shows they wanted to show people those issues, to show how harmful it really is, and that is a VERY supportive thing to do. I love that episode and have shown it to my dad when he threatened me with conversion therapy. I told him i would be the one hanging in a room if he sent me to one, and the fear of losing his kid was stronger than a gay and trans kid. Southpark is the furthest thing from homophobic. Its supportive in the most offensive way and i love that!

[@cxireen2193]

As a non binary person. I also believe there are only two genders

[@Kilvieo]

Just out of curiosity; Did you show him the entire episode, or just the conversion storyline? 😅

[@droopdanke2323]

Sheesh. you girls are absolutely looney

[@Nayoo_]

​@@Kilvieo Same question here LOL

[@Frankie-Ak]

@droopdanke2323 not a girl. If i was a girl, i wouldnt be severely depressed, i wouldnt be happier while on testosterone, and 5 DIFFERENT THERAPISTS WOULD HAVE COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION OF IT BEING CAUSED BY GENDER DYSPHORIA

[@michealjennings4374]

The show has never been homophobic. It talks about how some groups of people who would want to convert others to be the correct social standard conversion therapy is terrible and most of those that are offended usually are cause they don't like that info getting out

[@michealjennings4374]

Btw in all of this conversation all I can say is it's beautiful my problem was using a word and I am a queen I am who I am and still a 40 year old goth dude. I am queer I do like makeup and 'm not part of the social standard never will be to this day I will never be apart of that because I can no longer believe in it. It's become something else.

[@ferrm1992]

If you go waaaay back to the Cripple Fight episode in season 5/6, they even give a whole speech defending Homosexuals for being discriminated against. They may make some “gay jokes” then and there but they’ve always been very appreciative in their messages

[@InkGraffiti]

it's important to remember that some conversion therapy camps would consider suicide a GOOD thing, because they'd literally tell you that being dead is better than being gay. that's part of what the constant suicides throughout the episode are referring to. I've known people who went to such camps. this isn't an old thing, this is an in-your-lifetime still-happening thing. It's revolting.

[@MowMowCreations]

I would like to note that there are a lot of non-LGBTQ people who speak over LGBTQ people on a lot of issues and get offended for us; this also applies to other things like race or gender.

[@reptiliannoizezz.413]

One example I've heard of is Speedy Gonzalez being found offensive by... not Mexicans, who instead enjoyed him

[@Shilobotomized]

Yes, this. I absolutely despise cis/het/straight people talking over my opinion, and making people think I'm a "snowflake" for it. I think the F slur is funny, I don't really care about pride parades or anything like that. I literally just want to be able to date/marry a cute guy if I like him enough, and not have people try to change or kill me for it.

[@fakeaccount8342]

Perfect example, I've heard that as well.

[@NonameNoname-tr8uv]

I’m gay, Black AND a woman. I’ve encountered homophobia, racism and sexism. South Park is WAYYY different than someone just throwing out slurs and saying “it’s a joke”. It calls out how ridiculous people in general can be, no matter the group, and I love it.

[@joanpalomaresjunquera2327]

Ok just wondering but where do you live that people are actually hateful to you, I’m not joking, I’m really serious

[@joanpalomaresjunquera2327]

Cause I find it really stupid to be hateful to someone because of how they are, I’m seriously wondering and this isn’t meant to sound bigoted, if it does I’m sorry I’m advance

[@SawBSketch]

@@joanpalomaresjunquera2327 If you think being mean and hateful to a person because of what they were born as is idiotic, it just says you're a good, decent human being. But some, not so much. They are raised to think of these traits, like race and sexuality, on the same level if not worse, than real crimincal activity, using phrases like "oh being gay is basically R-wording or pdf filea". People are raised to be hateful, and you have avoided being told there's a point in hating minorities.

[@fakeaccount8342]

I'm straight, white hispanic, and a man and I have encountered all those same things, this is the messed up world we live in now, so why not joke about it! Those who are entertained by humor are friends and those who oppose it and thrive on creating drama are the problem. Laughter is the best possible tool for weeding them out in a positive way, at least in my opinion.

[@Siouxsiesn1fan]

For everyone saying that Trey and Matt are transphobic, plz watch the episode "The Cissy" again! It's pretty recent and the meaning behind it is great.

[@lunatheluma3804]

The meaning isn't that great. It still argues against trans people being able to use the bathroom of their gender because of the idea that some cisgender people will use that to be creepy towards women or commit crimes. Its better than most trans episodes of southpark but it still isnt good

[@lunatheluma3804]

Actually i went and rewatxhed the episode just to make sure i was remembering it correctly, and yeah, they actually do really good and have the message end up being "if you care about if its a trans person in the bathroom then you're weird and you should just let people poop in peace" i had forgotten about the assembly scene since it has been so long since i watched the episode, its a small thing, and the scene of stan going in the cissies room sticks in my mind more

[@kaitlyngarner740]

​@@lunatheluma3804yeah, as a trans woman, the Cissy is better than most things I get from animated comedy shows (it's really hard to find trans-related stuff in this genre that isn't either transphobic or misses the mark with their attempts at explaining stuff or inclusion) but it's still not that great. The episode with Heather Swanson is also another one that isn't actually transphobic but the messaging and delivery feels off with people taking the episode out of context to prove their point about trans athletes. We saw the same thing with the panderverse special. Loads of people saw the critique at Disney pandering to people but missed that the episode also called them out through Cartmen admitting that all the letters that Kathleen Kennedy got that made her pander harder came from him and him alone

[@lunatheluma3804]

@kaitlyngarner740 the Heather Swanson episode is really bad when it comes to the trans sports argument just because they don't have a counter to Heather in the form of an athlete that is actually trans

[@kaitlyngarner740]

@@lunatheluma3804 yeah, when it comes to south park and trans episodes, most of them seem to revolve around men pretending to be women to either do what they want to do (Heather Swanson and Randy and Cartmen in The Cissy) or it's Mr Garrison and we all know that Garrison takes everything to the extreme. They pivot away from the issue that they're presenting so it gives off bad messaging. Whilst they're getting better with Trans issues, they're still missing the mark to a point that you need good media literacy to see their point

[@drewthistlethwaite8909]

Colorado finally banned it! Lost a friend though. RIP Noah, you would’ve been thriving rn.

[@dirtsoils]

hope ur friend is resting well, rest in peace ❤️

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

I don’t know what you mean by that… America is definitely not thriving as of right now…

[@PaulyD-m8k]

​@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jkThey said Noah would've, you don't know the context behind Noah's life, they are saying it could've been great, nothing has to do with America rn...

[@drewthistlethwaite8909]

@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk he in particular would be thriving right now, he was into bitcoin and a lotta tech that’s taken off but was just starting back when he passed over a decade ago

[@drewthistlethwaite8909]

@@PaulyD-m8k he planned to immigrate to Germany and work in niche tech that was just taking off at the time. He also had a fashion sense gen Z would’ve eaten up :)

[@potatopatch4563]

this episode strikes one of my worst fears, gay camp. I am definetely not straight, I fear my parents finding out. Either way this episode scratches the morbidly curious part of my brain. I shall go cry now.

[@LooneyPort]

John you left the computer logged in. We’re gonna have a talk when you get home from school…

[@ghostyc04]

That's actually terrifying to think about. (Saying as a pan with homophobic parents)

[@femboyChristmas]

Youd be surprised how loving parents can be despite what they believe in, my very conservative parents while obviously still not supporting crossdressing(they searched my room one day and found some stuff) still love me and dont treat me any differently and try to understand that its just who I am

[@NubbitDoesStuff.]

Yknow, i feel the same way about my parents, in this context. I'm aromantic, which (technically) isn't part of the lgbtq community, but i feel that if i told my parents my views on this, i'd get the same reaction and treatment both you and I fear. I AM Christian, as well as my parents, but they are at a point where i feel as if i said ANYTHING in that spectrum, then i might as well not exist, because of what will most likely happen to me. In short, I feel ya, dude.

[@galuxius1861]

@@NubbitDoesStuff. Aromantic is perfectly accepted as part of the LGBT community, and I'm sorry you've been made to feel it isn't worth the same energy despite struggles you face

[@el-violador]

And this is the power of dark humour. By taking an uncomfortable subject and making a joke helps give exposure to the subject. It also armours against the criticism because its ridiculous that someone would be more offended by a joke about child suicide, than actual child suicide. This episode is Matt and Trey at their satirical best

[@BaeKun]

as someine who is apart of the lgbtq community i dont think Matt Stone and Trey Parker are homophobic and i love this episode

[@Eluderatnight]

I think the episode "tolerance camp" crystalizes the state of lgbt culture.

[@aeolianthecomposer]

"a part" and "apart" have the opposite meaning

[@blackironseamus]

something about how something is banned in most of the world but still allowed in America, such as conversion "therapy", is just so unsurprising these days.

[@mickmack3]

its banned in most states.

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

​@@mickmack3only 20 states have banned it for minors (not adults), and often these bans don't even include religious counselors and organizations

[@AkilanNarayanaswamy]

look up the wikipedia page on "Legality of conversion therapy" and lose your faith in humanity

[@iHeartAMP]

Did you even see the map? 7:40 Very few countries are not banned, and Europe and Asia it's pretty much red... Blue=Banned Green= Varies By Region Yellow= S orientation Only Orange= Ambiguous Red= Not Banned The USA falls on the green

[@paullavoie5542]

Conversion therapy isn't banned anywhere in the world the left is trying to do mass conversion therapy now on the right by condemning them as extremists and threatening them with violence if they don't convert to their opinions or face a corrupt system.

[@BelTheRatLord]

As a gay guy myself, I fucking love South Park, it’s so funny, and anything gay in it makes me laugh, I recently binged the entire show and it’s still a riot.

[@WalkinStereotype]

Butters’ speech is poetry, and I think it speaks volumes to the ignorance of people who call themselves Christian and yet support these atrocities. How could a loving God make a type of love that is evil? The answer is that He didn’t, it is mankind that would change good things to be called evil. For any people who may try to jump in and nuh-uh, screw off, do research, or accept some people have different beliefs, chill ✌️

[@cergtuker]

as a gay person, south park is definitely my favorite show and i dont see it as homophobic at all i found this episode and almost every episode really funny and i even rewatch the show every so often!

[@NoPe-n1j]

Profile picture checks out 😂😂

[@knucklepilled]

​@@NoPe-n1j for some reason when i read this my brain immediately went to "oh no thats just where they always sit! next to our beloved craig there, who is a homosexual." "🤨"

[@Puddspanker]

SP is the best animated show out, IMO.

[@roberttysec4122]

To this days I still randomly think “accountabilibuddy” when someone talks about being accountable for something or someone else.

[@Vapourwear]

It is unironically a great word. ETA: and don’t forget “accountabilibuddyable.”

[@HerrDoktorWeberMD]

Make sure you all offer Hot Cocoa at your Butters shrines to remind Him what a good boy He is.

[@StevenHawkingsSpitrag]

*Part of what makes shows* like South Park, Family Guy, The Simpsons etc so special, is they've been running for so long that the callbacks, subtle references, etc are plentiful and make for really great fan service. For instance, we're able to understand cartman has a passion for photography, not because they dedicated an entire episode and plot to it, but because we're able to infer it based on nearly two decades of episodes.

[@PatlandOneTwoThreeFourFive]

Oh absolutely. I feel the same way about Kenny. He might not get the most character, but you can tell that he is a very genuinely selfless person with how often he helps others even if it could and probably will kill him.

[@carmel9583]

There was even an episode that both supported and mocked men who identify as women

[@CarnalIntentions]

I love how you started it like a chapter of a book by bolding the first few words, really drew me in as a reader

[@wolfiredreamyt5481]

As a queer person from a very very very Christian family i can safely say this is very similar to how queer kids are treated like they are ''confused'' and ''wrong''. Even though that who you like isn't your fault or choice and it's normal.

[@lukespillman1313]

Some queer kids are lucky to be loved and excepted by their families. Others not so much.

[@wolfiredreamyt5481]

@@lukespillman1313 To be honest, im one of those kids that can't come out to their parents for their own good. (I would end up either homeless or in a mental institution)

[@ghostyc04]

​@wolfiredreamyt5481 But if you feel like coming out, do that after moving out from them

[@wolfiredreamyt5481]

@@ghostyc04 they're gonna find out on their own when i marry my gf LOL

[@Sinned0815]

Im also transginger.

[@NitroDS]

southpark was the show that taught me how abusive conversion therapy with all its gross and sad parts without traumatising me. i never understood why conversion therapy is a thing and it taught me, it doesnt need to be a thing and everyone who wants to pray the gay away is an abusive monster

[@dewilew2137]

Oh shit, you’re right about cartman and photography. There’s also the episode where he competes with his mom in real estate. Remember the self portrait he took, setting up soft boxes, studio lights and a green screen? 💀

[@theconqueringram5295]

I agree, Cartman does suck.

[@psycholol4855]

Nah I like him

[@lilhedgehog8576]

I know this is just a cartoon, but this episode also shows off how horrible Butter’s parents are specifically his dad. Instead of questioning Cartman and getting mad at him, they essentially victim blame butters. or maybe I’m just being dumb and overthinking things.

[@lilhedgehog8576]

@@makkarakkara That’s why I feel bad for butters outside of his house. He’s everyone’s punching bag and his parents don’t even support him. I think his dad is worse than his mom, but his mom don’t help either. She kinda just sits there empty headed. At least from the episodes I’ve seen.

[@almahperditae]

That's the joke. Butters is the nicest kid in town, the only kid that don't have a once of evil in him. Even when he's bad, he's the cutest kid in the world. And yet, he had the worst parents that always blame him for everything. The one kid that is always innocent!!

[@lilhedgehog8576]

@@almahperditae well that’s a fucked up joke. Wouldn’t expect anything else from South Park though heh heh

[@maranello1979]

Cartman explaining to his Mom is like Chunk from The Goonies over-explaining to the Fratellis when he vomits in the movie theatre. 😂😂😂😂

[@mattgieslerrocks]

I’m lucky I didn’t discover my bisexuality until my adulthood. My parents would have probably sent me to a gay conversion camp if I discovered it in my teen years.

[@mr.merlot]

This has always been a hard point for me I am a Cristian but the amount of animosity by my peers is downright crazy, abandoning children, outright attacks. Those folks are a perversion of what Christianity is about.

[@marin8141]

Although I lost my faith a long time ago, for many reasons, but the people I had to deal with was one of the main ones... Reading this makes me think that, perhaps its not hopeless. Glad theres people like you out there. Keep up the good work

[@iamgamerfun4032]

This is exactly how I feel. Which is ironic considering my time being raised in the latter day saint church. It has always gone down as either being a cult or super fanatical Christianity. Because of this, I was exposed at a very young age about the horrors of how far fanatical beliefs can ruin people's lives and cover it up as "Christianity" by people who spoke out in hate of the latter day saint church. My parents and grandparents have always taught me that no matter what, we have our right as a human being to choose what to believe in, and no man has a right to judge anyone for their beliefs unless it is to cause harm to a certain group. So imagine my face when I hear of conversion camps, or certain forms of "therapy' and the discrimination of certain people at the age of like 9 or 10.

[@luffyduffy7817]

Let me guess, you still judge LGBT folks to yourself still.

[@iamgamerfun4032]

@@luffyduffy7817 no what's the point in that

[@mr.merlot]

@@luffyduffy7817 ?

[@BiggsTheOwl]

as a non binary, gay person i dont think ive ever been offended by any of the lgbtq+ scenes/commentary in south park

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

Just call yourself a checklist crusader next time it’s shorter

[@BiggsTheOwl]

@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk no I don't think I will but thanks for the suggestion ❤️

[@konnorgrills4891]

how are you non binary but gay? what?

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

@@konnorgrills4891 hes restarted

[@LKing-ue2jl]

I hear that, I love south park!! Always been disappointed at part of the queer community that hates it cuz I really think they must not have watched it

[@anonimes4005]

I love this episode, and it looks like their portrayal of minority groups is often well researched, and really good (such as the n word episode) so i hate the fact that their portrayal of trans people is so fucking ass

[@lunatheluma3804]

Big agree, im trans an i love south park, but i really wish they would have a good trans character for once

[@radioactivepower600nanaspersec]

​@@lunatheluma3804 I've heard they recently made an episode with good trans representation tho, called "Cissy" Haven't watched it yet, but I'm planning on it as soon as I can

[@lunatheluma3804]

@radioactivepower600nanaspersec it's not exactly recent, but it does pretty good. There still isn't a good trans character since that episode doesn't actually have any trans character though

[@bookies24k8]

south park is an equal opportunity show, everybody likes it until they joke about topics you choose to be offended by.

[@Koalavater]

That's why they killed Chef off so brutally after Isaac Hayes quit. They made fun of who knows how many religions and cultures but Isaac Hayes wanted to be offended when they finally went after scientology.

[@noireisbest6786]

I don't think the show is homophobic, but I'm a bit iffy on the trans stuff but even then South Park isn't the most transphobic show ever either.

[@Siouxsiesn1fan]

As a huge south park/ matt and trey fan, they are not transphobic. I understand the episode with Mr Garrisons transition could be seen as transphobic but the episode "The Cissy" literally debunks that claim. I even teared up a little when I rewatched that episode. It's great

[@gothpotato]

@@Siouxsiesn1fan yeah that episode was really emotional

[@uhhthatskindauhh]

​​@@Siouxsiesn1fan AND THEN the cissy was set back decades by the more recent episode with strong woman's ex pretending to be a trans woman just to spite her & severely beat on women in sports, talking abt inherent advantages... which just served to spread misinformation & harmful stereotypes. as if trans women (& even African cis women, who naturally have more testosterone!!) don't go thru rigorous testosterone tests before being qualified, or as if they didn't regularly lose to cis women. i love SP but i recognize they missed the mark there. even imane khalif, intersex, has a long history of losing against non-intersex cis women (even ending up on like 34th place once, afaik?) before the one match in olympics that had ppl piling on her, even though it's illegal to be trans where she's from, & again, has a steady history of losing against non-intersex cis women, just like other intersex or trans women, which doesn't exactly speak of a terrible biological advantage in sports when it comes to Y chromosome. but ppl just prefer to use these types of episodes as confirmation.

[@FroggyThaFrog]

As a trans person I'm not offended This show is funny shi

[@atomiccandyboy5756]

As a Christian that have lgbt friends, when other Christians bring: they are sinner! My answer is: so are you, no sin is big or small... Im kot the judge on that and neither you. Look the bible say you have to love and show the path of salvation to everyone end of story, how they live their life is none of your business, but being gay is a offense! Also lie, steal, hate others, desire what others have and the list go on... See your life and what you have to end up with and do not bother other people bc you may be more in route of hell than those you hate. Love to everyone and South Park give the best messages ever!

[@boinkmcbingo8890]

You're supposed to actually try to get people not to sin though not just "oh well it's okay you do that because whatever". The line also isn't saying don't judge it's saying don't judge and not expect to be judged back.

[@luffyduffy7817]

Being gay is not the same as stealing wtf

[@boinkmcbingo8890]

@@luffyduffy7817 yeah moron it's lust it's worse

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Conversion therapy is closely related applied behavioral analysis, the leading therapy for autism. Although ABA is strangely not nearly as controversial.

[@randomuser5443]

Im autistic and i can explain why People genuinely don’t like us enough to care.

[@Vase94]

@@randomuser5443 Because you people are just borderline normal people with quirky personalities. I hate to say the word quirky, but every autistic person I've met has always been able to hold a coherent conversation despite being a little goofy 🤷‍♂️

[@stephenpavlisick2681]

Hi, I'm autistic and I worked in the ABA field for 2 years. Applied Behavior Analysis is used in many, many places: the classroom, addiction therapy, training of any other animal... The list goes on. Any time you have ever used a chart to tally points for a game? Token economy, that's part of ABA. Applied Behavior Analysis is a wonderful tool that shows us that people will work for what they are motivated for, and patience and reinforcement are more effective teaching methods than hitting your kids and shaming them. That said, there was a reason I was only a therapist for two year, and that's because most of the "therapists" in the field are neurotypical people freshly out of high school. Don't know if you knew that, but you literally need NO SCHOOLING aside from a 40 hour online training. That's the reason that the field is shit, it's because it's filled with people that are too apathetic to be in it.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

@@stephenpavlisick2681 So that is why ABA is often called "dog training for children".

[@eldritchthorne]

Funniest part of this entire mindset is these are the same people who will tell you "God made you perfect" or "God made you who you are" but condemn you for being gay in the same breath. It's people trying to play god in an ever-changing world, unwilling to cope with it and trying to hit the brakes so everything stays stagnant and closed minded.

[@dogegaming2797]

a real christian wouldn’t condemn you for being gay, its just a sinful lifestyle that we should abstain from. christianity is a religion centered around love that many misinterpret as a rulebook. i had my own experiences with these people, that instead of trying to help you abstain from sin, just condemn you for it like you werent born that way.

[@jager0724]

"It's woodland critter Christmas" "HAIL SATAN" 🤣🤣🤣

[@SilverScribe85]

These therapy camp need to be shut down under penalty of law

[@lukespillman1313]

Parents who send their kids to conversion “therapy” are either ignorant of the abuse, or just don’t care.

[@ghostyc04]

Or just tyrants

[@NubbitDoesStuff.]

@@ghostyc04 who will accept nothing but their ideals, and punish those who don't agree.

[@ghostyc04]

@@NubbitDoesStuff. Exactly

[@HeavyMetalGamingHD]

parents, who don't accept their kids are already abusers.

[@elliothill3953]

Those parents pick the parts of the Old Testament that fit their agenda. The passage that they use to condemn gays is really more about men defiling young boys, as was common in Ancient Rome and Greece.

[@Freakyjeremy]

I don’t understand how people think South Park is homophobic considering the fact that they have tweek and Craig who are LITERALLY a couple and are married in the future too

[@albertocamejo827]

15:20 I love how it takes 2 seconds after it’s shown for people to truly comprehend what they’re seeing.

[@JikuAraiguma]

That’s the thing about South Park. It’s not just edgy shit for the purpose of shock value. Trey and Matt think about topics they think would be funny, they do the research, and they make it work.

[@oddlyw1cked938]

In the Netherlands, theres a conversion therapy center in a sports center a few hundred meters away. Its absolutely disgusting, especially when I heard one of my friends had to go there from their parents (they are 19, but it was still forced) Im absolutely disgusted this isn't banned yet here

[@davemac9563]

I appreciate South Park making jokes involving the subject, but not taking the subject itself as a joke

[@ryansookram4023]

The graph about countries not banning conversion therapy is kinda misleading, most of those countries dont have conversion therapy to begin with so they cant ban it lol

[@aleksabanjevic8316]

I'm from one of the countries in red, and for the life of me, I could not remember if we had those here, our country ain't the best when it comes to treating lgbt ppl, sure, but I'm p sure we ever had those, thus, never needed a law about baning them. There should have been one more color on the graph for places that never even had them

[@aleksabanjevic8316]

I mean, we don't have gay marriage, but we also don't have conversion camps so.... Ya lose some ya win some?

[@ryansookram4023]

@@aleksabanjevic8316 yeah bro thats what the colonizers do, they are the ones to have gay conversion camps and etc and then they ban it and somehow we get labeled as unprogressive for not banning something we never had lol

[@dd11111]

I'm from one of the countries in red and am unsure if we ever had conversion therapy camps but have no recolection of hearing of any. What I can tell you is that after the ban of conversion therapy, therapists will quickly dismiss concerns, shut down conversations and/or just hang up at the mere mention of intusive homosexual thoughts. They are so scared of being considered conversion therapists and prosecuted that there is now zero help or even agknowlegment of UNWANTED homosexual thoughts. If you're bi curious but want to be straight...to bad, either do it on your own or "just accept yourself and be open to being gay."

[@aleksabanjevic8316]

@dd11111 .... You mean bi.... If you like man nd women, you are bi.... And yeah, accept your self.... Cuz there is no "cure" for it, it's like saying one has unwanted urges to be lefthanded.... Just be left handed.... There are things we can change, and things we can't, like authism, having low or high Iq, and, sexuality. The only reason anyone would want to be another sexuality is due to social pressure proclaiming that one is "correct". And conversion therapy literally does not work, even if it was allowed, the best it can do is make one celibate or in the closet.

[@sunchaser9898]

I don't care what you say, there are no bad Leopold "Butters" Stotch episodes

[@TheBeaverFiles]

I know this whole thing was pretty much a joke, it still blows my mind that they just let this kind of stuff exist in our country and nobody does anything about it

[@daanstrik4293]

Same. Seeing the map and then seeing my country as a small red dot in the middle of a bunch of blue… yeah, pissed me off

[@djentleman8116]

KZbin censorship is pathetic and damaging to the collective consciousness.

[@Gurnium]

the unenlighten masses, they cannot make the judgement call.

[@aeolianthecomposer]

Give up free will forever, their voices won't be heard at all

[@ScreamerTheMemer]

Display obedience, while never stepping out of line

[@Beeschurger_]

And blindly swear allegiance, let your country control your mind (Let your country control your soul)

[@Vase94]

@djentleman8116 i love it when people turn bullshit political comments into funny songs, detracts from everything the original loser said 😁

[@Spudcore]

"They performed lobotomies": shows picture of electroconvulsive therapy. Hmmm.

[@TheCrimsonPhucker777]

Your script, callbacks, wordplay and perspectives was a great performance video wise and pretty enjoyable listen.😂👏🏼

[@dely9999]

Butters must be the Universal most loved character from South Park, you can't hate him

[@Gacha_Got_Arsorned]

Several years ago I was at a youth event for the kids at my church(11-18) and I was roommates with this girl I’ll call Lyra. Lyra is a year older than me btw. I had recently come out as lesbian to some of the kids at my church, it wasn’t anything serious, I just mentioned it in passing during a conversation and this was the first time it was coming up since then. Me and Lyra were in our room, we had just gone to bed and we were supposed to be asleep. She then asked me the weirded question I have ever been asked as a member of the lgbtq community(so far), “are you gonna go to hell?”. Yup. I asked her what she meant and she told me that being gay was a sin and since I chose to be gay did that mean I was going to hell. She was genuinely asking me if I thought I would go to hell. I don’t remember what I said but small little 13 year old me was not expecting that. This is why I think it’s important that people are educated about lgbtq topics. I go to a church that actively uses being gay friendly as a marketing strategy and she had been going to my church since she was little and she still thought I was going to hell.

[@Flower_Mom]

I love Butters' speech at the end of this episode. One of my favorite Butters moments. Sadly the episode itself is a little hard for me to sit through. Butters being assaulted in his sleep is just too similar to something I had actually happen to me.

[@DanielleBrantley-pn7rm]

I hope your doing better ❤

[@Flower_Mom]

@DanielleBrantley-pn7rm Thank you. Fortunately the person who did it has been out of my life for a very long time now.

[@kratoro36]

15:11 Cartman is projecting while projecting.

[@phunkyzilla]

Imagine getting mad over someone using the No Word to upset someone after giving the literal definition of dark comedy and then saying you understand dark comedy.

[@AngeliqueFox-t1b]

I have Tourette’s and I started to barely tick when I was 9 and by the time I was 15 I had full blown Coprolalia and a lot of people at school thought I was faking my disorder except my friends who watched my tics get worse with time

[@theannilators7479]

I like the idea that Cartman was supposed to have the firm a plot but butters stole the show in the rewrite

[@RaineBans]

i never realized how much cartman likes photography till you pointed it out

[@iruvatavoisine6461]

I was in early high school when they were releasing S11, and while I know there’s a lot of nostalgia in that, I genuinely think South Park had a good high going here 🤣

[@2eeky]

LGBT people have different perspectives, because we're not a hivemind lol. Personally, I found Butters' speech really heartwarming. Great episode, great video.

[@Zergdragon]

I forgot how much I like South Park. Glad KZbin stumbled me across your channel. Cartman really do be so narcissistic that he believes when he does or thinks something, everyone else would or will, too.

[@ana.wordswordswords]

0:13 CLOCK IT

[@JacketMK]

It’s funny that Cartman is such a manipulative sadist that he cannot fathom someone being uninterested in tormenting him. If the picture is gone someone MUST have taken it to humiliate him because that’s what he would do and is normal to him.

[@Freakiestgoat]

Bro your videos are sooooo gooddddddddd

[@RussianHattedBitty]

I’m a bisexual, and gender apathetic, and I absolutely love South Park. I don’t really see why people automatically label South Park as offensive when sone of them have never seen it before.

[@HelenFire420]

I’ve never met a queer person that didn’t like South Park. I think they only exist on twitter.

[@Cheeseman16]

As someone who has never watched South Park, I was extremely underprepared for this video. It was really great, thank you for making me laugh.

[@bon7029]

".... for no other reason than Trey Parker thinks it's funny." The best reason to do something in a cartoon.

[@joshuacox4570]

I'm glad conversion therapy is being talked about. Unfortunately it is still legal and , unfortunately, I have gone through it. I'm glad they showed how both, terrible and idiotic, it is

[@imsleepy6211]

I was born with chronic illness / disability and I’m lgbt. This show taught me how I can make fun of my disabilities in a way that shows how absurd some people’s line of questioning is. “Oh is that your heart surgery scar?” (Down my sternum) “what, this? Oh no, I was bored” “My mom’s 3D printer fcked up” But it also taught me that I can legit make fun of things I actually hate dealing with as a way of coping and idk. It really helped me out A LOT because wow people are ruthless.

[@ObsidianMLG]

bro is just gonna analyse EVERY south park episode and end up with something 20 to 30 times longer than the series' combined runtime

[@timtimmonsmusic]

when im feeling down about life, south park is my comfort show.

[@ChannelStation-q2p]

Season 11 and season 15 are probably the best seasons :3

[@CaptainCat101]

Butters is amazing, his speech was beautiful

[@pearlydewdropssdrops]

Growing up as a Gen z, the only kids who watched South Park WERE the gay kids, we’d get made fun of for it lmao

[@DaltonYates-p4j]

Thanks for mentioning the fact that they don't hate the LGBT community. I also feel the same way with Dave Chappelle, if you watch enough you can tell he really feels for the community... but jokes is his life and this is making him a lot of money... I'm trans btw

[@kenhollis6197]

I watched that show that caused such controversy, and I didn't see the big deal. I am not trans, but I am supportive, and the most I thought was that the show was boring. I think I chuckled a couple of times; didn't really laugh.

[@DaltonYates-p4j]

@kenhollis6197 you think South Park is boring? If that's the case, I think you just don't get it

[@kenhollis6197]

@@DaltonYates-p4j I meant Dave Chapelle's stand-up special that created a stir because he talked about trans people.

[@DaltonYates-p4j]

@kenhollis6197 well, I suppose we all have our opinions but I guarantee dave will go down in history as the best comedian. In my opinion he is better than Richard Prior or Andy Kaufman or literally anyone. But I have heard 1 other person say they don't like Dave Chappelle, they were racist though

[@kenhollis6197]

@@DaltonYates-p4j I think we misunderstand each other. Both South Park and Dave Chapelle are funny and wonderful. Both have been mis understood. That's all I'm saying.

[@MausStoleYourCheese]

"I say what what in the butt." -Butters

[@Maceisspicy]

I don’t believe they’re homophobic, but can anyone who’s seen more of the show tell me if they have any trans characters that are good representation? Ik the teacher being trans and then homophobic is a statement but I haven’t seen them portray a decent trans character.

[@battlesheep2552]

Why are you expecting "good representation" from a show that derives its humor from everyone being a stupid butthole? 🤦‍♂️

[@AlexsGoogleAccount]

Garrison's arc is very transphobic, but the one moment I really like is the very end of the arc where, after proclaiming that you're only a real woman if you can have kids, he tells a man that his infertile wife is a man. It's one of the moments where the show makes it clear that this kind of binary thinking is absurd. The Cissy is a generally good episode. It starts with a transgender bathroom proposal and ends with a bathroom just for transphobes to use. The main criticism with that episode is that both Cartman and Randy pretend to be trans in order to use the womens' restroom, so even though Randy's plot is a great foil against Cartman, it still isn't representation. Board Girls was an altogether terrible episode and it's their most recent too. None of the "trans" characters in South Park were ever actually trans. There is no real trans representation.

[@AbominableQueer]

@@AlexsGoogleAccount Accurate summation.

[@IceFireofVoid]

You can play as a character who is explicitly trans in one of the video games, but that's entirely up to player choice and not really its own character. A lot of the characters also seem to experiment with gender identity through their roleplay in that game, and Mr Mackey will say that it's perfectly fine to be trans/nonbinary if you made your character either of those things.

[@jarlbalgruuf2415]

It's sad that they think they need to be represented, just proves they don't think they're valid as normal people.

[@syriuszb8611]

7:40 while many countries do not have "conversion therapy is illegal" on their books, in most places anything beyond "counselling" wouldn't fly.

[@something_strange3086]

as someone transgender who was terrified of ending up at one of these camps i like how they bring awareness to this dark topic while still making it outrageous and unhinged. i was actually kicked out by my stepdad earlier this year because i "refused to stop being trans" like sir i tried. i tried so danm hard to not be queer and it only made me want to kill myself. I'm on my own now and this has been the best year for my mental health since i was born. IM FREEEEEEEEEEEE

[@Imoenn]

Gay conversion therapy is banned in the UK, our counselling practices are not regulated with the only exception being conversion therapy.

[@BeegroovyWithTheAutz]

Hey, I'm a queer person and I have to say that I'm not offended by anything they say about gay people I'm just annoyed on how we are shown as Stereotypes. It's not really offensive, its just unoriginal and I know they can be more clever than that. Also they chose to do amazing research on conversion therapy but did absolutely none on trans people in more recent seasons. I'm not offended I'm just incredibly disappointed because I know they can do better. I was a huge fan and am still a huge fan of older seasons it's just that they are too old and tired to make anything orginal and thought provoking anymore.

[@aeolianthecomposer]

I don't really like South Park, but holy shit, the hangman joke is golden. It's unexpected, has great setup, and brings attention to a real life problem. Just the way satire should be done.

[@Densoro]

I’ll be honest: I hadn’t bothered watching South Park because I assumed it was one-sided and preachy. This episode is way more thoughtful than I expected.

[@Saf333]

The show isn't homophonic, but it is transphobic. Even tho it is improving in this regard.

[@aeolianthecomposer]

Not surprising. The authors are smart people, just uneducated

[@D7o7m7i7]

Fun fact in German you can almost always understand Kenny talking

[@Ilikebugsiguess]

I’m a Les and I LOVE South Park lmao, it’s kinda ironic how some people think it’s homophobic.

[@GingerbreadmanNick]

Butters is awesome he brights the whole show up

[@draxnos506]

South Park is seemingly “Machiavellian” in its humor? Like, they make their humor appealing to who they want to target the message to?

[@MioTheRaccoon]

this was the 1st south park episode ive ever watched