How Speedrunners Beat Hades in Under 3 Minutes By Conquering RNG

[@Abyssoft]

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[@biratuba]

I believe that the probability(1/2.95E-68) is written incorrectly, since 1/2.95E-68 is larger than 1. Therefore the correct probability should probably be either 2.95E-68 or 1/2.95E+68

[@Abyssoft]

@@biratuba it's 99% written incorrectly, blame Google sheets, that's where I did the math

[@biratuba]

@@Abyssoft Given the type of error, my guess is that the math is correct, but the result was interpreted as odds instead of probability(on is the inverse of the other).

[@JESUSCHRIST-ONLYWAYTOHEAVEN]

JESUS CHRIST ALONE DIED FOR YOUR SINS & WAS RESURRECTED FROM THE GRAVE! HE IS ALIVE & COMING BACK VERY VERY SOON WITH JUDGEMENT (THESE ARE END TIMES)! PREPARE YOURSELVES, TURN FROM SIN & RUN TO JESUS! HE KNOWS YOUR PAIN & TROUBLES, HE WANTS TO HEAL & RESTORE YOU! TALK TO HIM LIKE A BEST FRIEND! ASK HIM TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO YOU & HELP YOU TO BELIEVE IF YOU DOUBT! DON'T WAIT TO CRY OUT! NO ONE IS PROMISED TOMORROW! HE LONGS FOR YOU TO INVITE HIM IN, HE LOVES YOU MORE THAN ANY PERSON EVER COULD, HE CREATED YOU! Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."-John 14:6 "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."-Matthew 10:33 “For the wages of sin is death (hell), but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”-Romans 6:23

[@Abyssoft]

@@JESUSCHRIST-ONLYWAYTOHEAVEN That's cool, have you subscribed to my Patreon?

[@bolladragon]

“The Adamant Rail is the most historically accurate.” Took me a second.

[@snakeatwar]

Would you be able to explain the joke to my friend? He doesn't understand it. I totally get it, but he doesn't like my explanation.

[@SeventhSolar]

@@snakeatwar Just the purest of sarcasm, dude.

[@bolladragon]

@@snakeatwar Extreme sarcasm. It’s the gun weapon. It’s not historically accurate at.

[@snakeatwar]

@@bolladragon Of course! That's what I told my friend but he thought there was something deeper to the joke.

[@nezothgarone2319]

@@bolladragon what do you mean it is not historically accurate? do you not remember that poem where zeus pulls a railgun out of hefestus buttcheeks to blast off thyphon? it's my favorite D:

[@squiddler7731]

6:14 feel it's worth pointing out here, that 75% extra damage isn't _just_ on your special. It applies to literally all your damage IIRC, which is made especially absurd by the fact that it's one of the only aspects on any weapon that do this. Nearly every other aspect specifically increases attack, special and/or cast damage, leaving out a lot of extra damage sources you can get from boons.

[@UHavABadConnection]

You would be mostly correct. Most other weapons hit only 1-2 damage types (usually attack/cast or attack/special). Bow hidden *technically* hits all damage types but deals it only to the debuffed enemies instead of to all enemies

[@incendium447]

@@UHavABadConnection they are entirely correct, they said nearly every other aspect.

[@jackclifton5434]

12:30 for those of you who want to understand how small that number is, just think of the number 4, and think “oh shit it’s way lower than that.”

[@Vanchaz]

We can hear it on our own. No need to quote it? Somehow braindead?

[@lordmudkip7344]

Actually, due to a type that number is actually way bigger than 4. It should be E68 and not E-68 So that number is like, at least bigger than 7

[@MellowNova]

uhh... can you explain that in shinies?

[@bobbyg8729]

Like, in this notation, 1 is equal to 1E0. As the number after E increases, it represents the exponent in 1x10^n. Therefore, 1/1E-68 is equal to the division of 1 by an exceedingly small number. The division represents the same value as 1E68. A shiny digimon has a 1/4.096E3 chance of occurring in the new games, but the chances are halved in the older games.

[@frodododo]

@@MellowNova its a bit lower than getting a shiny 19 times in a row with 1/4096 shiny odds

[@gonzalosanchez1538]

One little detail, you got the abyssoft constant wrong: if you put a minus in the exponent of the denominator, you are actually getting a number higher than 1 (which doesn't make sense as a probability, you are writing something like 1/0,0001) Therefore, either it is 1/2,95E+68; or 2,95E-68 is the result of the division, not its denominator

[@DarkR55]

Thats what is was wondering, i am pretty sure he meant it as seprate numbers (1/2.95)×10^(-67) (Which is 1/2.95E+68) Which is 3.3898/10(67)

[@AvsJoe]

8:55 Heh, nice touch adding the salt shaker after the word "Summoning", clever!

[@mattguy1773]

Slightly off topic but for those game pass owners out there hades is on game pass and it’s an absolute banger

[@wearbroom]

That's how I got into hades

[@Gator_Queen8188]

On both xboner and pc aswell is also on sale at the time of writing

[@tumultuousv]

@@wearbroom same

[@GokuBlackRose978]

It’s great but how the hell do you best hades if it’s infinite? I want to know if there’s a ending

[@wearbroom]

@@GokuBlackRose978 there is

[@caliburnleaf9323]

At 3:48, the math you show is very wrong. The idea in the voiceover is correct, but you can't multiply 5% by 5% and get 25%. What you're actually multiplying is 1.05 and 1.05, which only gives 1.1025, barely different from adding them together. A better example would have been adding two instances of +100% (yielding [1 + 1 + 1] = 3x damage) and multiplying two instances of +100% (yielding [1 + 1] * [1 + 1] = 4x damage).

[@xicufwm]

as a Math teacher, I came to the comments to say exactly this. The scientific notation at 12:14 is also wrong, since E-68 represents a negative power of 10, which makes the denominator a very small number and, therefore, the fraction is huge.

[@Stiffsen]

As an engineer, I came to the comments section, to say exactly that thing about the exponential number. :-D Thanks Francisco

[@landerdepoorter2824]

Am I just stupid or would 5%×5% give less? If we write that in another way we get 1/20×1/20, which gives 1/400, or 0,025%. But I don't think I ever multiplied percentages so there is probably some math rule which says I have to do it your way.

[@apa-games206]

@@landerdepoorter2824 You are correct regarding the 5% * 5% equaling 0.025%. BUT: In this case, it's not 5%, it's +5%. So if we have +5%, then we actually talk about 105% (the base value is always 100% and we want 5% more). Therefore, just as Caliburn said, we have +5% * +5% = 1.05 * 1.05 = 1.1025 which shows us that it would be +10.25% in the end.

[@landerdepoorter2824]

@@apa-games206 thank you for explaining

[@mothman8300]

2:47 leaving chaos without doing the fishing... pain

[@SuchIsLife424]

The cluster-rocket special is insanely powerful. I used Artemis with it and use it like a shotgun, fire it at close range. The crit and damage is astounding.

[@kenmoretoast]

I accidentally got this today and, with no effort, set a personal record on my clear time. It's a bullshit combination in the best way.

[@SuchIsLife424]

@@kenmoretoast but it's stupid fun 😁

[@kenmoretoast]

@@SuchIsLife424 it absolutely is!

[@LumosTerris]

we love clockets :DD I personally like putting Aphrodite on special, then grab pressure points and hunters mark so that those can crit. I've cleared Styx room in one button press because of this, it's broken Lol

[@catchmyscoober]

The power in the abyssoft constant should be positive if you're putting it in the denominator

[@Jazerus]

To put that number into perspective, the current best estimate of the number of atoms in the observable universe is 10^78 to 10^82. The likelihood of you getting the world record RNG for this game without any kind of manipulation or seeding is only 10 billion to 100 trillion times more likely than you randomly picking out one specific atom in the universe via RNG; which might sound like it's a lot more likely, but compared to the scale of the numbers we're talking about, the odds are virtually identical.

[@JESUSCHRIST-ONLYWAYTOHEAVEN]

JESUS CHRIST ALONE DIED FOR YOUR SINS & WAS RESURRECTED FROM THE GRAVE! HE IS ALIVE & COMING BACK VERY VERY SOON WITH JUDGEMENT (THESE ARE END TIMES)! PREPARE YOURSELVES, TURN FROM SIN & RUN TO JESUS! HE KNOWS YOUR PAIN & TROUBLES, HE WANTS TO HEAL & RESTORE YOU! TALK TO HIM LIKE A BEST FRIEND! ASK HIM TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO YOU & HELP YOU TO BELIEVE IF YOU DOUBT! DON'T WAIT TO CRY OUT! NO ONE IS PROMISED TOMORROW! HE LONGS FOR YOU TO INVITE HIM IN, HE LOVES YOU MORE THAN ANY PERSON EVER COULD, HE CREATED YOU! Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."-John 14:6 "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."-Matthew 10:33 “For the wages of sin is death (hell), but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”-Romans 6:23

[@RealTal.]

the deadpan about historical accuracy really got me

[@MaxHaydenChiz]

Couple of things left out (for those finding this vid now that Hades II has been announced): 1. Routed is one of the least popular categories. People usually start running one of the many non-routed categories. There are a ton of them. There are even official modded categories to reduce the number of resets and rng. (E.g. The number of Styx paths becomes fixed so you don't lose a good run at the very end.) 2. The key to any routed run is actually getting the right room tiles. You want to have the minimum number of combat encounters since the in-game timer only runs for those rooms. This means you hit all the story rooms, all the shops, all the fountains, and as many chaos rooms as possible. The bottle neck for finding a seed is the first well in Tartarus where you have to get an item that makes chaos spawn in the next eligible room, then you reroll the well to refill it with new items and buy another chaos room. So you have to find one specific tile, at one specific room number, and with a well that has exactly those items. If you find a seed that lets you do that, the rest of the routing is comparatively easy since there will be multiple ways to get everything else that are roughly equally fast. But getting that one specific combination is the needle in the haystack. (If anyone is interest in this stuff, the discord is super welcoming and helpful).

[@hedonicarus5624]

This is all really cool, thanks for sharing! If anything this reminds me the sheer amount of content they put in Hades, and it's amazing that you're able to sift through all that stuff to find the most optimal combinations.

[@Yggdr4zyl]

What Discord is that ? I'd love to join !

[@ukaszs9833]

The E means exponent 1.23E456 means 1 and roughly 456 zeros after it So 2.95E68 means roughly 3 and 68 zeroes (and as noted in other comments, either write 1:positive E, 1/positive E, or negative E without division) To give some scale to the number Consider picking 6 of 49 lottery with odds 1 in 13,983,816 this a measly 1E7 to win usually ~ milions $ 2.95E68 is like winning roughly ten, hi prize lotteries, in a row, each on a single guess with that much luck you can just be a milionare by going out of the house and tripping over a bag with millions of dollars :)

[@Mekartur]

Very Nice display of how Hades works. I really love this game, and I don't really see many videos explaining the runs. I would really love to watch a progression or historical series about it anytime. Also to watch commentary on specific categories (if any). Anyway, amazing work on the video! I would love to watch something regarding Blasphemous as well

[@TheIllegalGuy]

The technical name for the number is "absolutely massive mate" Source: Trust me bro

[@aaronl19]

12:28, I have a feeling you have added a stray negative sign in these numbers. e# just stands for •10^(#), so 1/2.95E-68 would be an insanely large number. Just another example 1/2E3 is 1/2000, which is a 0.05% chance, but 1/2E-3 is 1/0.002, which is a 50000% chance

[@williamarmstrong6298]

I am so happy someone else saw that

[@yastenjapfan4854]

Well, since 1/x is inverse the 1st number, that'd be 2.95E68, but still. We are searching for E68 at the bottom.

[@zanityedpo1398]

I'm watching this in 1.5×, so I can enjoy it over my break period, and your diction is so good that I don't even need captions to understand. Thank you ❤️ (1/295 unvigintillion chance)

[@Finnsta]

let’s gooo been looking for more speed running content creators beside summoningsalt and tomatoanus, earned a sub my man 🤝

[@ravenvictoria412]

I bought Hades this morning and lo and behold, Abyssoft posts a video on it later the same day. Nice.

[@martymcfly88mph35]

It's really really fun. Save up darkness, dont worry too much about winning right away, it's best to get keys and darkness and talk to everyone after each run. Try to bang Meg too that's important

[@ravenvictoria412]

@@martymcfly88mph35 Yeah, I already assumed death as part of the process and I've been having quite a bit of fun. And I can bang Meg? Whaaaaaaat, goty much?

[@hazel7296]

My best time is just sub 9 minutes on switch and I had no idea how they did it faster. Adamant rocket is my go to build, but I gave up on catching the speedruners and started focusing on high heat

[@BlueSR]

Incredibly informational and well made video! Keep it up :3

[@mptyalln]

POOKIE IS HERE

[@SoMuchWinn]

This video was awesome dude ! I loved all the explanation behind, the rythm and music were on point... Super nice job !

[@Z1proW]

1 / 2.95E-68 is bigger than one, I think you just mean 2.95E-68

[@Zykonavg]

Agree with that

[@TheKirby117]

"one in this number", maybe they did mean "1 in 1/2.95E-68"; though I agree it's an odd way to say/show it visually; it's something like a 2.95E68 magnitude difference, isn't it? Either way, one is astronomically large and unfathomable, the other is beyond astronomically large and unfathomable

[@Aidiakapi]

Or maybe they meant 3.39e-69 = 1/(2.95e68), regardless, it's the kind of number that's unattainable without RNG manipulation.

[@raphael122]

@@Aidiakapi I don't know how you got this number but it's absolutely wrong. By definition 1/e-1 = e1 That means 1/2.95e-68 = 2.95e68 Also what was probably meant was the opposite as 2.95e68 is a comically big number and obviously bigger than 1(being 100% chance). So it should be 1/2.95e68 (=2.95e-68) and it's a ridiculously small number. To put it in perspective the chances that Dream was not cheating on Minecraft and that he was just hella lucky is the size of the solar system if this 2.95e-68 was the size of a grain of rice, maybe even more than that

[@escribendo6138]

@@raphael122 I can tell you how they got this number: sure, 1/1e-69 is 1e69, but this 3.39e-69, which is 3.39 * 1e-69, so its inverse 1/(3,39e-69) will be 1/(3.39) * 1e69 = 0.295 * 1e69 = 2.95e68 Hope this made sense!

[@P1nstr1p3]

Loved the video! Had me in the first half where I was like “wtf is this guy taking about Vorime’s run is- oooooh.” Only gentle criticism is the incorrect pronunciation of some of the Ancient Greek names, which like… is fair. Shit’s old and weird. Thanks for covering my favorite game, and for correctly gendering Chaos!

[@Superabound2]

Fictional characters don't have gender identities

[@stevenbrodeur3023]

Nice subtle “summoning salt” Easter egg! I caught that

[@martymcfly88mph35]

Hades is such an awesome game. I literally got 150 hours out of it for like 30$ and I got 35 hours out of Cyberpunk for 80$. I wish more developers would come up with games like this.

[@LieseFury]

why did you pay 80 dollars for an unfinished game

[@adeade45]

its called indie games bruv

[@martymcfly88mph35]

@@LieseFury idk but I also paid 80$ for your mom ya cheeky scrub

[@vyor8837]

@@LieseFury you should have just left off unfinished. It's insane regardless.

[@flashrogue4376]

Supergiant is owned by WB.. that's hardly indie

[@WAH_tever]

Very nice video, but for the final calculated odds, it should be 1/2.95E68 or just 2.96E-68. The shown one in the video is greater than 1 meaning you always get this setup, going against probability.

[@Joe_from_Rio]

You have 2.95e70% chances to get this run, that's slightly over 9000.

[@anexpertonthematter1468]

​@@Joe_from_Rionice

[@AuroraDashPteriforever]

295 unvigintillion is the closest thing we have to a standard name for it, I think.

[@Xhadp]

Hades's RNG reminds me of how RNG works in TWWHD explained here-kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5nWZWhnhct5sLM TL:DR static seed, everything increments the RNG call over the period of the game even the lights in a room is RNG based, you can roughly estimate where the RNG seed is at in a run given a couple of RNG calls you can find in this case a battleship board layout. Hades is similar in how you have to increment each RNG counter each time which makes it very tedious to run hades seeded runs since even voice lines are put into the RNG calls so that is why in seeded runs you continuously click a reroll button despite being out of attempts. I don't know if it can work for Hades but I'd love to see the RNG seed changed to a more static approach where all the calls are made off of the RNG seed alone and not how much it has progressed since it was created, numerous other games use this approach, Minecraft world generation and Slay the Spire are two examples, and I think could make running seeded Hades runs a lot more bearable. Also, new subscriber.

[@Abyssoft]

Welcome aboard, always happy to have such detailed comments from subscribers

[@linku1115]

I’ve been playing hades a lot recently and have been going down the hades rabbit hole on KZbin and you a KZbinr I am subbed to just so happens to come out with a hades vide Wut the heck

[@alexanderjohnson1210]

THE EDITING IS SO GOOD

[@RealEsther]

12:06 IDK why but the chaos just zooming in and out is so funny to me for some reason

[@drinks_menu]

“Day-dahw-lus” hammer lol

[@felixlegault4250]

Love your editing

[@Abyssoft]

Thanks

[@N12015]

12:25 Let's see. If I'm understanding correctly, that's a 1 in 295 *unvigintillions* or 1 in 295 *undecillions* depending on the scale... Yup, unvigint- and undec- is the prefix associated to 21 and 11 respectively, both being 10^66.

[@keiharris332]

Someone plays adventure capitalist :) well played on affixing the scientific name to the abysoft constant

[@Patashu]

/r/TheyDidTheMath

[@N12015]

@@keiharris332 Nah, it's just my career asking me to handle scientific notation in extreme situations, which includes knowing most number prefix.

[@OwGash]

@@keiharris332 my first idle game years ago lol

[@mykal2803]

was wondering why there was never a hades dlc, so looked it up.. theres just a whole hades 2 coming out instead, and I just found out. Looks dope.

[@lilbiggums747]

great vid that i had to stop after you said daedalus hammer

[@stormRed]

The music choices were just *chef's kiss*

[@Abyssoft]

Thanks, novadrome has been making some fire tracks lately

[@stormRed]

@@Abyssoft It's right up my alley! Just followed them on Spotify

[@officialnovadrome]

glad you enjoy them :)

[@funkydinosaur]

@@officialnovadrome dude they're awesome 🔥🔥 you're one hell of a composer 💪. Just wondering; is there anywhere I can go to get the track used for the World Record Build section (4 - 6 mins approx). Just for listening to, not for professional usage, but very happy to pay :)

[@officialnovadrome]

@@funkydinosaur there's a small portion of it in my 2020 mix on my channel and my website, maybe I'll upload the full thing to my website soon

[@isaagamerplays]

I saw that summoning salt reference. You are very cheeky.

[@f84kjsg7]

Such good editing, great easter egg jokes

[@prismaticc_abyss]

The name of the number is two-hundred-ninety-five Duovigintillion

[@phanterratic]

It's like they knew about how ridiculous this build was when they made the 2nd surface boss in Hades 2 😭😭😭

[@Abyssoft]

Don't worry, I'll be covering Hades 2 when it fully releases

[@EddieBaumgartner]

This video has inspired me to run more hades !

[@kaith_votlat3265]

That's it. Abyssoft Constant will now be in gaming history.

[@Sabagegah]

If you meant to say 1/2.95E+68, a very small chance, I think that’s 1 in 295 unvigintillion. (21-illion)

[@angiemaestre638]

Great research ! I have been playing hades for a while and i have never found any pattern (im not really looking but some things just pop out sometimes) The only thing i have realized is that if you start with one god boon the same god will keep appearing. Maybe this is just coincidence.

[@Zicrus]

3:48 No! That is not how percentage multiplication works! It should be 1.05 * 1.05 = 1.1025 = +10.25%

[@Cyclone1335]

5:14 literally lol'd. Good delivery

[@KDSBestGameDev]

No Computer is capable of pure random. Awesome video!

[@jakeking974]

My guess is that the weapon boons stack out of order, meaning the one is designed to lower your base weapon damage, but it gets offset by the rockets, which the mechanics don't apply the -30% to. Otherwise, idk, maybe hidden bonuses for combinations or something?

[@Ravil322]

Maybe because damage of rockets is really fixed

[@milosradakovic5433]

I like how the idea of speedrunning is to do the game fast. But it takes ages to accomplish

[@ChessQuestionMark]

"Day dalus hammer"

[@imyourhuklebery5560]

Another heat speed runners use is tight deadline. They use this because it stops the hades “fight against the clock” rooms not spawn.

[@Purriah]

Damn. I’ve never played Hades but this is a super interesting one.

[@Chrexter]

Highly recommended game

[@Sybir.]

The fact the unseeded run is only 3 minutes longer is far more spectacular in my opinion. Like how is that not considered a perfect run?!?! 😲

[@Laezar1]

I mean, the seeded run is also under 3 minutes so 3minutes is a big difference. But yeah 5:50 is also a crazy good time. My best time is 10:30 with the fist and overall I get times around 11min with every weapon (except spear where I haven't been able to do better than 14:00) and those are like, actually pretty ok, like, I've got 250hours into the game I've beaten 32 heat I'm fairly decent at the game. So yeah cutting 5 minutes from that is pretty darn impressive. (and bear in mind I've given my best time but a less perfect and more relaxed run can last about half an hour, 10 minutes is allready like, getting all the right boons and having a crazy run where everything melts) It's legit hard to wrap my head around a 3 minute run. I'm not even out of tartarus at this point typically lol

[@alexbtoogood4u]

great video invested whole way through

[@Fuzzalump]

You totally mispronounced Daedalus hammer. It’s not “day doll us” it’s “day duh lis”.

[@elijahwest8456]

Ass-foe-dell, is the pronunciation of Asphodel btw.

[@slashie101]

1:59 can't believe you forgot my boy Hermes 😭 talking about speed runs 😭😭

[@bryanandhallie]

For clarification to the 2.95E-68 being "lower" than 4.9E-34 at timestamp 12:23 the "E" stands for exponential. The number in the front is called the coefficient and the number after the E is called the exponent. So for example 10E5 means 10 times 10 to the power of 5, or 1000000 And if you put a minus sign before the exponent it's the same as saying 0.001% or saying it 1 in a thousand. Cool vid

[@Victoryismine52]

Great video man thanks

[@beyblademaster5125]

Great video, only thing that bugged me was the horrific pronunciation of things like “Asphodel” and “Daedalus”, but that’s just nitpicking lmao

[@spiralphoenix9839]

Some people think rogue lites are about runs where you have to work with what you get. In reality end game you will usually get the build you want. It’s about cutting out that randomness.

[@hazard6300]

Apsodel and dedoalas hammer. I am dead

[@ObscuriaDragunAed]

Preface: I seriously mean what I'm saying, not coming from sarcasm land. You know, I have to give you props on self naming that constant at the end. Yeah, I chuckled once I saw what you did there, but, that's pretty much a tradition in various STEM disciplines.

[@vulcastra6671]

basicly they broke the game

[@Wikingking]

About the "constant" mentioned later in the video... it is said that in an average galaxy like ours there are roughly 2,4x10^67 particles. Hence, the "abyssoft constant" is a larger number than this by 1 magnitude therefore it equals to the number of particles in 10 average sized galaxies. It's "yuuuuuge".

[@RagingAbout]

Haven't played in a while, gonna have to pick it back up!

[@smile--]

I like the subtle sarcasm

[@michaelbrown7441]

Love the Summoning Salt reference 👌

[@Mo_Mauve]

12:07 That's fifty nine divided by two douvigintillion.

[@jackhinkley885]

Wait so you have a 2.95e70% chance of getting the right RNG? usually it caps at 100% but I like those odds.

[@NikkiTheViolist]

never tell me the odds

[@KolMan2000]

Did this man just say “ash-fodel”

[@DavidWonn]

Assuming you actually meant that the odds are 2.95E-68 (which itself is microscopic, not its reciprocal) then it is approximately 29½ duovigintillionths.

[@Abyssoft]

Google sheets gave me the wrong scientific notation, my out of practice mathematical mind just copied the number into After Effects

[@DavidWonn]

@@Abyssoft No problem. If you find the correct number, I can provide its name in arcane naming conventions. :-)

[@Abyssoft]

@@DavidWonn The number is correct, I've been getting a lot of comments about the notation being incorrect, which is what I thought you were referring to as well. But yes, I did mean that the odds are 2.95E-68

[@zidaryn]

It looks like this speed run is for a category where you start with all the upgrades available to you. What about for a new game speedrun?

[@diethylmalonate]

the most popular new game category is fresh file, which is start a new game and get a win. The fastest weapon for that is the sword since you start with it, take the guaranteed Athena Dash and build towards Merciful End. You can also run other weapons but they're slower since you need to take intentional death(s) to earn enough keys to unlock that weapon. The other official category is Fresh File to Credits (FFTC), which needs 10 wins from a new file. The route can either start with a regular Fresh File approach where you get the first win with the sword, or take enough intentional deaths to buy enough upgrades (usually +1 dash and 1 revive) and clear with the bow, which is safer but slower. Then it's a matter of balancing winning runs and farming ones to get enough keys and Titan blood to upgrade your weapon of choice, and get the remaining wins with that weapon. As of now people have used Hestia rail, base bow, Hera bow, base sword and Eris rail. Might have more since the last I checked. For unofficial categories, there's Fresh File to any weapon of choice, Fresh File all weapons, which is 1 win with each weapon for a total of 6, and Fresh File All Aspects which is 1 win with each of the 24 weapons available, which is quite long because unlocking 6 of them is up to dialogue RNG.

[@rayswift5711]

I'm a casual player. My all time record is 11 minutes with Heart Seeking Bow. Got Aphrodite's special, 2 or 3 chaos boons that raises special (can't remember how many), Hermes' +30% quicker special and both hammers that raises the special's power, of course.

[@biggator7233]

So Hades is a more complex Binding of Isaac? Sounds really fun. Boutta get on gamepass

[@ilyrich]

eh in a way i guess

[@benana2222]

They're both roguelikes, but that's about the end of the similarities

[@robertnomok9750]

Hades has more of actual gameplay beyound pressign arrows to throw tears,

[@Laezar1]

2:14 that's wrong though, heroic boons don't appear randomly for the most part. except the main slot ones if you already have the epic version of another god boon. All the others have to be obtained through upgrading them (typically with eurydice). So you can exclude the heroic boons from that for the most part I'd say.

[@Abyssoft]

I definitely had to take some liberties when calculating everything. The functions that determine how the game generates random events were quite complex (and available for access in the games lua files) So rather than spend an exorbitant amount of time calculating every possibility with the functions I opted for an easier calculation using the pool of possible items for each event speedrunners need to go in their favour. As an example the enemy spawn waves are weighted based on what you've encountered, and a few other factors, it makes for a mess when you're trying to calculate speedrun perfect odds

[@Laezar1]

@@Abyssoft Yeah, I get that, thought I'd just point that one out cause it's actually useful for people to know =p

[@ThewOrldIssqUare]

8:56 summoning salt! You little cutie.

[@__8120]

3:48 I know this is just for demonstration, but two multiplicative 5% buffs aren't 25%, they are 1.05x1.05 or 10.25%

[@ZexionII]

As for that number, the way it's read is: "One in two-hundred ninety five unvigintillion" Unvigin means 21. So where a million is one (6 zeroes), billion is two (9 zeroes), an unvigintillion is (21+1)*3 = 66 zeroes.

[@Zicrus]

What about legendary boons? I think you forgot to count those, or counted them too many times, since they can't have different rarities.

[@samttk359]

"ashphodel"

[@Daveyboy4]

Nice vid well produced.

[@dancing_odie]

"Never tell me the odds!"

[@Mysticalturkey]

I'm barely into the video and I've already looked at the comments and most of them are correcting your errors in the video. I'm not even bothering to continue the video. Thanks for compiling it.

[@aspreedacore]

Damn and here I thought crit hazard bomb was the highest special dmg

[@draculactica]

"acquiring the skill to defy death..." and then a charge of death defiance activates. beautiful editing.

[@byeguyssry]

Assuming that you meant the Abyssoft constant to be 1/2.95E68, That'd be 1 in 295 unvigintillion or 295 vigintunillion. If you meant 2.95E-68, that'd be roughly 1 in 33.8 unvigintillion/vigintunillion.

[@ye-ym5jo]

Damn i thought bow missile build is the strongest, thanks for the idea

[@vanillalife422]

Using heat as an advantage. That's insane!

[@Cyrelltheghosthunter]

I have played this game alot and never realised this is how they do speed runs of this game that is amazing and mind blowing

[@SpookerK]

Great thumbnail bro

[@Abyssoft]

Thanks, I was quite happy with how this one turned out

[@rob98000]

The blurred part of your patreon looks like final fantasy

[@iditrirajan]

12:23 its 2.95 * 10 raised to the power of -68. Basically divide 2.95 with 1(68 zeroes)

[@SMGxEnWHYc46]

I appreciate the video, but you left a lot out, you didn't mention what the charms are or what they do, the odds of getting a hammer, or what boons to take when clearing a room, the mirror buffs

[@SitWithItBob]

2.95e68 is several orders of magnitude larger than the number of atoms in the solar system (baiscally the sun because that's where the mass is). Hitting that probability would be like, if a million million of our suns were gacha machines and their atoms were the gacha balls, you have to pull exactly one of those atoms.

[@HaganConnell]

"1 in *states actual chance, inverting the likelihood to a nearly guaranteed state*."