How Starbreeze Killed The Payday Franchise

How Starbreeze Has Killed The PAYDAY Franchise
Deep dive into how Starbreeze's success with PAYDAY2 turned into a failure for PAYDAY3 as well as a look towards PAYDAY 3's possible future and The Price Of Greed for Starbreeze Gaming Studio.

[@gurl5496]

the fact that most payday 3 ''fixed features'' like opening and closing doors were already made by modders in payday 2...

[@plebisMaximus]

It's still a positive change between entries in the franchise because mods aren't a core part of the experience. Can we stop pretending mods are official content when judging sequels?

[@gurl5496]

@@plebisMaximus what i meant was modders do more than devs with small QOL aditions and even go out of their way to optimize and fix the game bugs. I don't want to shit on devs they made a game after all but after earning that kind of money and still not showing their game the support it deserves is bothering me. They could be good but very incompetent.

[@Airbomb]

Not when starbreeze keeps taking mods as ideas for new content. Happened in the later part of payday 2 and I'm sure it'll keep happening in 3 going forward Where do you think the idea of the gas grenade enemy and "you can now carry two bags" skill came from.​@@plebisMaximus

[@BungieStudios]

Less than 1% of players download mods. Devs making those ideas default features is actually a great idea.

[@psylina]

@@BungieStudios For payday 2, I'd say it's 20% or even higher

[@milton5609]

Oh wow, body reveal

[@Blitzplaya100]

I cant wait for hand reveal

[@affinityxs]

I can't wait for hair reveal

[@zachary88127]

Not gonna tell him he's looking good? Ill tell him. You looking good.

[@utilizator1701]

​@@Blitzplaya1000:10

[@gamersupreme7980]

I can’t wait for co-

[@contra7631]

This video was an eye opener for me because I never knew overkill actually made so many games that flopped.This is why it always felt weird to me how it took so long for them to make a newer payday game despite payday-2 using such a old engine.I always thought overkill was an indie dev who suddenly got famous cause of payday but seems like I was wrong and honestly imagine if they actually focused on a new payday game with their own engine,how much better the gameplay actually will be.But instead of doing that they took unreal engine and just made such a old boring way to make the game with less content.

[@plebisMaximus]

Not a super accurate view of game development. The engine is usually the first thing to be blamed when a game isn't great, but it's almost never an actual cause. GTA V was built on an old engine made for a ping pong game, even with the most specific engines you can refit it to your needs, and in the case of Payday 3, that wasn't needed at all, since UE is made largely with shooters in mind, and you can feel that, the shooting feels great in PD3. The lack of content is a deliberate choice by the team, not a limitation. In fact, had they made a new engine, the game would've taken far longer to release or been released with even less content. Sure, they could've just used the Diesel engine Payday 2 runs on, but with how old and buggy it is, the amount of work they'd have to put in wouldn't be worth it. Picking UE is probably the best move they could've made.

[@MyUsersDark]

It's not about the engine, it's about how you use it.

[@zerg0s]

You significantly underestimate just how much work it is to make your own engine. Unreal is fine for a game like Payday. Unreal is for for most things. The problem is not having veteran unreal developers who know how to get the best out of it.

[@LostGeburah]

it wasn't just and old engine. it was THE WRONG enginge. and for that reason console players got gone by the wayside.

[@PresiDiscussions]

Overkill and starbreeze are the same company. Overkills just a subsidiary.

[@Tehstampede]

The phenomenal success of Helldivers 2 shows that people have been starved for a solid group PvE game and by extension shows just how badly Starbreeze dropped the bag with Payday 3. All they had to do was make a game that was fun to play, and they instead chose to make a grindy, buggy, glorified storefront. They could've just made a game that was essentially an updated version of Payday 2 with QoL and gameplay improvements and knocked it out of the park.

[@moviebad109]

It’s almost impressive how low the bar is, and how these companies still manage to limbo under it.

[@theequalizer694]

Not even a Solid group PvE game. Gamers just crave a solid game and it seems like almost nobody is able to provide that anymore.

[@TheOfficialButthead]

​@@theequalizer694exactly, like baldurs gate 3, I've never touched DnD in my life and never thought I would. But that game is a 10/10 for me and one of my favorite games ever played. All it takes is a solid game with solid writing and a solid art style.

[@mb2776]

​@@theequalizer694exactly! People play sf6 or ac6 not because they are die hard fighter fans but cause those games are good!

[@ChangedCauseYT-HateFoxNames]

You know what the funny part is? That last bit about making "the abomination" essentially a updated payday 2 more specifically, that is what a "sequel" is. Not this hogwash that "innovates" the title. Sequels are supposed to resemble the previous, it would be understandable if the abomination didn't resemble payday 1 because payday 2 shifted into the goofier side of things so it was expected the abomination would resemble Payday 2. No, it was a classic case of developers needing to leave innovation to minor things or entirely new titles. Otherwise you get an abomination that isn't a sequel while calling itself one and that is why I don't call it "Payday 3", it doesn't deserve that title. It's one thing to shift away, it's another to completely change face. You won't see golden spoons or mach speed dodge builds in the abomination. Only a armour system and resource management very few if any likes.

[@belinskiparadox7687]

The sheer amount of money Bo Anderson was allowed to basically just throw away before he was finally let go is genuinely shocking. Either no one at Starbreeze had any sense of foresight, or no one was willing to tell him no. I really hate to see Payday go down like this, it's such a fantastic and unique franchise

[@ChangedCauseYT-HateFoxNames]

I should have seen the writing on the wall and demanded a refund when us Playstation players didn't get our pre-order bonuses a full month after and one of my friends to this day hasn't got his gold edition items or their cross over with dying light and its dl point. My only regret is I don't remember the slogan used to call it a scam... oh, and I played Payday 3 to much to get a refund.

[@OGuiBlindao]

​@@ChangedCauseYT-HateFoxNames"The real heist was on your wallet"

[@karrotakun3581]

For me one of Payday 3's biggest sins is the complete lack of a dopamine rush I get from obtaining bags and finishing heists. Payday 2 actively enticed you to gamble your earnings for just one more bag. I really miss the indicators of how much each bag of loot was worth every time you secured one. It made my monkey brain get excited.

[@TheOfficialButthead]

Yep, all that matters is that sweet sweet challenge xp!

[@The-Enemy-Medic]

Yeah, securing the diamond for the first time and seeing a couple of extra zeroes on the loot secured indicator was such a big dopamine rush. Now I steal a bag of cash or supposedly super expensive electronic components and I see nothing.

[@jjeffrey7966]

That little guitar noise that plays every time you secure a bag was so satisfying.

[@ElPolloLoco7689]

Cook off is the epidemy of that lmao, when you finally sell a batch and see that money rise up ? Feels better than cold water at 3AM

[@plebisMaximus]

The main issue with live service games is games are made to be live service. The reason Payday 2 was allowed to live almost a decade off DLC releases is because it was released a solid, complete and fun game, same with GTA V, the competitive Valve titles, and so many others from the early to mid-2010's. Then a bunch of investors who know absolutely nothing about the industry they've bought their way into noticed how profitable these games were and they try to recreate the success artificially, leading to an artificial experience that nobody would ever want to play. The industry has been taken over by wallstreet bastards and the artistry in AAA gaming is dead so a room full investors can nod their heads as a fellow investor talks about an industry he has no experience in or love for and how he intends to wring every last penny out of it. Game publishers aren't entertainment companies anymore, they're tech companies, with all the worker abuse and growth driven business strategies that comes with and it's cost us all hope of ever seeing a good AAA game again. It's very fortunate self-publishing has gotten so easy these days so indie devs can carry some of the weight.

[@Evasiv]

This guy gets it

[@putcatfacehere2045]

Even though I agree with your comment, you missed the fact that payday 2 was also in a poor state on its release. Despite that they were actively updating and fixing the game, mix that with the fact that the gameplay was simple to understand yet had a lot of mechanics only a long time player would know, it made for a very good combination that let the game thrive

[@plebisMaximus]

@@putcatfacehere2045 I stand corrected in the case of Payday 2 then. Admittedly I didn't actually buy the game until 2016, but my point still stands concerning the industry in general.

[@Evasiv]

​@@putcatfacehere2045 I dont think he really had to say that, because the guy who made the video basically said the same thing and this is a comment on it. It might've been in a poor state on release, but it was revolutionary compared to the first payday, and the game was clearly designed with fun in mind which is whats most important. You can just tell from playing payday 3 around launch that the game was released in a latch ditch effort to make profits for a quarter, so the studio wasnt just closed lol.

[@MoeGunz]

@@putcatfacehere2045Same with GTA Online. It was unplayable for a long time. Actually I think GTA:Online only survived because of the name GTA.

[@Anviix69]

This style of video suits you. Especially with the green screen and costumes matching the topic.

[@DodoGaming129]

Can't wait to see the hitman outfit

[@shift_del3te249]

Yeah, I really liked his outfits. A long with saying shit thats been in my head for a while. Subbed

[@cherryking9571]

I wish I could say you were wrong, I have 3K hours on Payday 2 and about 300 on Payday 3 and there are just so many things that boggles my mind about payday 3, everything from downgraded menus such as being unable to name loadouts or link cosmetic sets to those loadouts or having all the variations of a cosmetic being separate which just bloats the store to the lack of RNG variation within heists making them lack replay value. There’s no variation in loot amounts, so you can’t be excited over something like getting 25 bags in a big bank instead of 21, nope, it’s just stagnant and repetitive. The lack of heists is also a big turn off, seriously, add a hand full of simple heists like bank heist, diamond store or go bank, short experiences where the core gameplay can shine, not every heist needs to be a spectical. Overkill weapons are a cool system but I really liked being able to create wild builds in Payday 2 like Katana wielding Sociopath with a flamethrower and grenade launcher and with Overkill weapons I’m afraid that they limit those choices, just like how SMGs are all primaries now despite basically being worse ARs, like are you seriously going to take a Ziv Comando as a primary? Meanwhile revolvers beat out the single true sniper primary since there’s nearly no utility to weapons anymore, you don’t supplement what’s lacking in your primary in your secondary because basically no weapon has utility, wether it be shield killing dozer busting or crowd control basically any weapon can do anything, some just do it better than others making some weapons completely pointless, Payday 2 kind of had a problem with some guns basically being reskins with worse or better stats but there were enough guns and enough variation that those were outliers. The skill system is also massively flawed since every skill requires 1 point which means that all skills should be even, they aren’t, perk decks while sometimes limiting created an anchor to build the build around, if they ever wanna do something like Grinder again they’re just gonna have to make you spend 4 points in your already limited amount of skill points to get the full effect. All of this together with how slow development is compared to what Payday 2 had and Deep Silver wanting to force in micro transactions to a game series that really won’t benefit from it just makes Payday 3 bittersweet, so much potential but with so many systems that are by all accounts complete failures that need reworking they’re gonna have their hands full with just catching up, let alone making it good. Would hate to see it end like this since I’ve been with the franchise since I was 12 when the John Wick character pack came out and it’s how I’ve met some of my best friends. In conclusion: Sadness :(

[@peep0705]

Don’t worry, Den of Wolves can still be good.

[@hassathunter2464]

Funny you went so quickly over Andersson "fired" Cause I remembered he ran of with the money and the Swedish federal reserves were looking for them, with Starbreeze getting raided too...

[@speeprun]

i am cautiosly optimistic for operation medic bag but im trying not to get my hopes up

[@ReXebl]

Yeah let's hope it makes a Sea of Thieves or No Man's Sky Reboot

[@draakool166]

This has been my mindset for the past 4 months

[@sheepfly]

😂😂😂😂

[@IVIUT3D]

I'm not even looking at PD3, I called it a bust when they released with no offline mode and their idea to "fix" the issue is not a fix at all. offline means offline, no middle ground.

[@BicirikBey]

From what they say in the blog, it sounds very cool and what we want. But we need to see how they execute it.

[@KawaiiPotat0]

i checked on saturday night (10 pm) and the playercount was 137. also i love the trope of removing basic features the previous games had, only to be kinda added back and expect praise as if its the second coming of christ

[@plebisMaximus]

Waving around a fucking unready button like it's a back of the box feature lmao. The game's in a pretty dire situation.

[@Michael-ps3kt]

I will not be surprised to find out Deep Silver had a hand in this like they did with Saints Row

[@linkholder]

Dont forget sweet baby inc

[@Moonerang]

FINALLY! FINALLY someone tells the full REAL story!! All these new (and old) players that have no clue. Every time I bring these points up in a debate, people think I'm full of ish when hardly anyone besides OG's have any idea what I'm talking about. Amazing and accurate video brother, it's sad it even had to come to this but this is the world we live in.

[@Gagarin_001]

Wild gold eye reveal ⁉⁉⁉⁉⁉⁉⁉⁉

[@utilizator1701]

And arms.

[@demonslayer5122]

​​@@utilizator1701And torso.

[@Tactic_Zombies]

I think that’s the real tragedy of pd3, is that the core gameplay is a BLAST in my opinion. I loved the game for the 3 days of early access before the public release, but once the server problems hit, plus the repetition from the lack of alternate ways to play the heists coupled with the terrible xp system, I haven’t played the game in months

[@plebisMaximus]

My words exactly. I do still drop in for a couple heists every now and then, but it's not something I want to grind like PD2 was. I still haven't even tried out the new heist yet, despite getting it on release day thanks to having gold edition. The new stealth mechanics are so much fun, but I just really don't feel like navigating the worst menus ever made just so I can wait a minute or more to get into a solo lobby, only to get no reward at all from finishing a heist.

[@AlexTechie]

If the core gameplay was a blast, people would still be playing it. The problems that it has can be forgiven if it were actually a fun game.

[@AdrianOkay]

payday 2 legit people have been heisting the same 10 most popular maps for straight up 10 years with no progression except some extra infamy levels YET it's FUN

[@Airbomb]

No, I can say the gunplay is fine, the gameplay is not. It's severely lacking and uninteresting compared to even release day payday 2

[@bahhumbug5467]

@@AlexTechiebro the core gameplay is fun it’s just theres no content no rng and gets repetitive but the game at its core is dumb fun Just like borderlands 3 the story is terrible theres way to much talking and is repetitive but the core gameplay is amazing

[@Zanbatoss]

With unstable internet in my region, online only is VERY fatal flaw

[@SuperMan-zq8gv]

This is the first time i see WildGold making a physical appearance.

[@bengun1111]

I do not doubt that the decision to buy a joke of an engine if investigated in court would uncover a huge rollback to the pockets of a person who authorized its purchase. I do not understand how such big financial decisions were allowed to make by a person who never saw or dealt with this kinds of money in his entire life. I could only imagine how many useless shit this person bought with company's money.

[@imalittletoxicjustalittle]

wasn't he the owner?

[@Dr_Heavy]

And the best part, they decided in the lead up to pd3 that they would allow pd2 on epic games store which was literally the worst update in the history of the game and has caused the game to become so unstable that in my case I literally crashed when trying to open chat mid heist

[@anthonyjoel9581]

This is a great video that was well put together and very eye opening. I always knew Starbreeze was a bad dev studio but I didn't realize they were this bad. It's sad. Payday 2 is one of my all time favorites.

[@Anymin]

11:21 Perhaps am missing something as haven't touched the game for a while. But last I recall, you could filter your search for specific difficulties and/or heists or contractors of said heists to only have those kinds of lobbies pop up.

[@MakusinMeringue]

Yup, you can do that.

[@Evasiv]

You can, but there still isnt a guarantee youll get the mission you want, at least without waiting 5-10 mins for it to randomly appear

[@Aeternum_Zephyria]

Don't forget that the franchise's success is not even by Starbreeze. It's by the original Overkill Developers (most of which are now part of 10 chambers)

[@cyrlangaming]

0:15 Helldivers 2 proven that a good quality game can have a stable amount of players in almost 2 months.

[@ChangedCauseYT-HateFoxNames]

Fun fact, Helldivers 2 has received more content updates than Payday 3, actually adding new "stratagems", infact, depending on your time zone, they released two new ones today/yesterday as of typing this. They also have a farmable premium currency that is also cheaper than other games premium currency and have released two battle passes in the two months Helldivers 2 has been out, released a new enemy and side objective related to it and fixed countless bugs that made certain weapons unusable after a week or so. They removed planet modifiers/reworked hated ones and completely removed some mission types because people hated them. *DID I MENTION ALL THE ABOVE WAS OVER TWO MONTHS?*

[@noobguy9973]

I like how in the entire ''improvements'' section you have only talked about stealth mechanics which are one of the only things payday 3 gets praised in.

[@LeeONardo]

Payday to me is the franchise that has massive potential but the developers just don't want it to happen. The console releases of Payday 2 really shown that, they ditched DLC for it (at least on some formats) and the patches etc took forever to come out/didn't come out at all. Payday with crossplay would be great to bring everyone together.

[@Dominik189]

Always online IS QUITE LITERALLY the main reason I and about 60 of my friends straight up REFUSED to buy or give Payday 3 a chance. Regardless how good the game play is. It's bot a small meaningless fault. It's a decent chunk of the reason Payday 3 saw a lot of it's refunds. Also as far as Operation Medic Bag, I'm reserving ALL judgement until I see it implemented.

[@wildgold]

60 friends huh...

[@Dominik189]

@@wildgold well, there's more on the list on steam, but the 60 that are with me in the gaming community I'm a part of basically all agreed.

[@plebisMaximus]

It's really soured me on the whole thing too. Absolutely love the core gameplay, but I despise how long it takes me to get to that gameplay, at least a minute of server searching for each and every heist. Had I spent that minute in Payday 2, I would've gone from booting the game to having control of my character. It's ridiculous.

[@TheRealCatof]

​@@Dominik189Come on, really? Always online of all things is your main issue with the game?

[@Evasiv]

@@wildgold when you were in ohio. couldn't look you in the gyatt

[@yaboismashing5066]

My YU-Gi-Oh ass read "Pot of Greed"

[@dawninn]

One of the biggest regret in my life is pre ordering this game on ps5 also gold edition

[@YUURRRRRofficial]

Lmaoo

[@zodasofuzah]

rip bro got robbed

[@lifeisgrey23]

Let this be a lesson on why you never preorder a game for any reason whatsoever

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

I blame the youtubers who shilled for this game and pretended not to be sponsored

[@chrisjordan2784]

I feel so sorry for your wallet R.I.P to those poor dollars that died in a painful way

[@SirDougDimmadome]

I was excited for Payday 3 when it came out. The sole reason I didn't end up buying it was because it was exclusively live service. Lost all interest...

[@rrai1999]

The people making these games must have been getting massive headaches hearing about stupid wastes of money like a VR park in Dubai. Dubai?! The place KNOWN for being a wasteful money-sink?? God. Feel so bad for them. They could have done so much with all that cash.

[@graceypatrick]

Whoever is in charge of those financial decisions is very incompetent.

[@anonymousprime948]

Once I installed Baldurs Gate 3 it made me realise how shit Payday 3 is.

[@jaffajack101]

Is it bad that I personally hope the game does full on die and ceases to be supported? It should be a lesson learnt for Starbreeze, if they keep the game alive, we all already know full well that theyre still going to be greedy and only give their loyal players the absolute bare minimum to keep the game going, not even to make it enjoyable. And then once Payday 3 has officially died, we can all go back to Payday 2 and actually enjoy the series once again for what it should be.

[@ChangedCauseYT-HateFoxNames]

I fully stand behind you. I already know us gold pre-order players are going to be screwed, hell, I bet that is why the dlc was so expensive and why they haven'treleased shit, so the one other update at this rate they release so us Gold owners get barely anything, then they can charge the same because "that's the normal dlc cost" so they can squeeze money they don't deserve to the blind and loyal. Us ps5 players got the worst, we didn't even get our pre-order bonuses until a full month after early access, one of my friends which I regret asking to get the game still hasn't received his pre-order bonuses.

[@Displatcher]

I would go as far as to say it began when Almir famoulsy lied about MTX and then introduced the safe and drill loot box mechanics. A lot of veteran payday players bailed from that moment, this was the death knell and start of the greed.

[@jeruss00]

Should've made more dlc for PayDay 2 and make it a live service game.

[@tankprohp]

You should have seen Payday 2 when loot boxes were released, Payday 2's number is lost a lot of old school players cuz Almir said he would never do it and screwed so many people that trusted him there was another event revolving gold masks of the original crew that ticked off a bunch of people too they've been doing it for years and yes they did it to themselves hopefully they sell it to someone that actually cares because Starbreeze does not

[@gilby_6543]

It was the CEO Bo Anderson that wanted them

[@vulcan734]

the problem with the game isn't necessarily because it is a life service game but rather how said life service game is serviced (this is the case for any LS game). everyone who enjoys and plays a game consistently enough is more than reasonable to want it to be supported through DLC/expansions/updates for as long as possible. the problem is rather the developers and publishers churning out enough content at a pace fast enough considering the current amount of content already available and charging a fair amount for the new content (if it isn't a free update) considering what you got for what you paid in the base game. that and not feeling like certain new content is important enough to the point it should be included in the base game with a free update but it being locked away behind a paid DLC. another problem of payday 3 that hasn't anything to do with it being necessarily a life service game, is the amount of QoL updates/abilities/whatever you might call it that the prequel already had gotten through its development not being present in the new iteration.... all that development and with the new game you seem to have forgotten all that.... back to square 1... finally, a problem with any sequel to a LS game that also wishes to be a LS game is that the previous game will for a couple of years (depending on how long the previous game was supported) always have much more content than the new iteration. It's just a losing battle to wish for the opposite even if the team for the new game pumps a lot of content rather quickly, so to entice the players the developers while still developing content for the previous game, understand why the community truly likes and plays the game, what it isn't enjoyed by many and what critical components should be focused and developed for the sequel. a failure to do so only leads to a half-assed release, where the community doesn't enjoy the new game as much as the previous one, and a game where the company will need to take several years just to make it at least as enjoyable as the previous one in a different way. its a problem that's compounded with every release of content that is perceived as good for the previous game and worst even if the content is paid as there will be an even bigger incentive to remain on the previous game due to the time and money invested so far on it. the time taken whilst developing a LS game shouldn't be only used to develop new content but also to understand better its player base so that the core and QoL ideas of the LS sequel can better match the expectations of the players. This problem is also extremely evident with several Paradox games where the publisher as of right now has several LS games and is now trying to develop slowly sequels to all of them. Yet due to so many years of content already being developed for the latter games the new games are also having problems getting their own playerbase. When you start developing a LS game and it becomes your main source of revenue the publisher is essentially walking into a trap, where they are doomed if they stop making content for its game which is much cheaper than developing a new game from the ground up, and doomed if the continue as it will become increasingly hard to eventually make them switch onto a sequel.

[@plebisMaximus]

It's a symptom of investors buying up all the stake in pretty much every major publisher. The executives who started a lot of the older gaming companies were nerds who made games themselves, now there isn't one important person in the industry who didn't get their for the sole purpose of making a return on investment and they have absolutely no interest in games outside of that, so they don't know what makes a game people want to buy and play, they can only look at what other people are doing to replicate their success. You see Payday 2 still making money after decade and you know that's something you want in on, so you just do what they did, make something barebones and add on to it with paid DLC. What they don't realise (nor care to consider) is Payday 2 was released in 2013, when the amount of content it had at launch was pretty normal for a studio of their size. Same thing with PDX. CK2 was "only" 40 euro and it's hard to convince a new player to drop 300 on DLC for a game they might not even like, so let's start over and make a much smaller CK3 that we can then go on to profit off for a decade again. Of course, it's not like they could've supported CK2 for all eternity and a new title in the series was inevitable, but it's that mindset of releasing a platform instead of a game that pops up again and again. They suffered for it with Imperator, and everything released since then _has_ been better, but not by so much I'd say they're doing great. Not to mention how they're treating EU4 these days. But far past just these 2 studios, it's a problem plaguing the entire industry and it won't be solved unless we have a crash that scares off all the investors.

[@tommo4449]

Honestly as much as i love payday 2 im hoping this happens. They knew what they were releasing when they put out PD3. An extremely undercooked mess of several systems that have no cohesion with each other. Over 2 months for a day one patch and dlc already being pushed out is unacceptable. What happened to releasing finished games? Starbreeze are pathetic and i hope they go the same way voilition did.

[@NickDoddTV]

These IRL greenscreen vids are so awesome!! Your hitman one was 🔥 too

[@Blitzplaya100]

Good to see you make a new viedio again has been a while keep up the good work king god bless 🙏

[@Daniel-yc5mb]

Im a payday veteran and the worst thing is that payday 3 apart from being bad have also some really cool features like hostage, armor and health system, stealth and it's so pitiful to see all the developers work just being vanished by the management

[@pedropedro1]

its the developers work too , blame them too or they will act like rats or worse

[@Airbomb]

You really like the armor system? It was "fine" but there was no variety on the gameplay for it and they were extremely stubborn to fix the dependency on armor bags.

[@pfitz9346]

People seem to forget this is how the first and second payday launched too. Especially payday 2. There was like 5 heists and maybe 15 guns in the game and all the dlc was pricy at launch. Somehow overkill managed to get away with it with payday 2 but youd think theyd have learned a little by payday 3.

[@_angel04]

you really think but honestly in the current gaming climate its always the flock waiting for the next big thing and pd3 with its slow response time to patches and content, they've pretty much sunk at this point and the outdated paid dlc model isnt really bringing new players and keeping old ones in. like you said pd2 launched crappy but it sorted a bunch relatively quick. i just dont see the company lasting much longer to see it get there like the previous game did

[@Airbomb]

Payday 2 got two whole weapon packs, a difficulty rebalance, reintroduced cloakers, 5 new heists and fixed many base game issues in the same time frame and a smaller team than payday 3. Also it had solid gameplay, which 3 does not.

[@Nick65444]

a big thing with the promotion of the game is they had this really good launch event for influencers that were sponsored to play the game before launch, the game before it came out and most of them just sucked off overkill and starbreeze.

[@ChiefToad619]

I knew starbreeze was greedy when they took down notoriety right before pd3 release

[@pascalhhhh]

My bro (Payday 3) implement lobby unready button 6 months after its release 💀. I mean, I love Payday 2 racking up almost 600 hours of playtime & not even own all of their dlcs but it's silly goofy fun, the OST was completely vibes & memorable same as KF 2. Seeing Pd 3 current state is sad, but still hoping that they recover. Great videos

[@user-wb7ot7kt3x]

Great summary. I mean in their next update the unready button is on the highlight list. As if that's crazy hard to implement. As a programmer I can assure you it's simple and just a few lines of code.

[@plebisMaximus]

And yet it still took them a month and a half to implement lol. Pretty much all that came with the patch too. I really hope following updates are a little meatier if they want to save the game.

[@waitwhyimhere9848]

If i knew about starbreeze past i probably would've not bought the gold preorder version. I regret that decision to this day

[@ChangedCauseYT-HateFoxNames]

Same. My first preorder and likely last because the only developer I have full faith in is Miyazaki (The head developer if I remember correctly of Elden ring( I likely got swamp man's official job title wrong.))

[@Relievedsuperracer_Real]

great vid gold didint expect the body reveal. Im quite curios what games will you cover on the channel next

[@I0NE007]

The only a few things I want to add on this: Another aspect that hurt the game were the expectations (players wanting "Payday 2 with a touch of Payday 1," the devs saying "it's a mix of the two, yes," but ending in a "Payday 1 with a dash of payday 2" so the Loud heists are not what people were wanting, despite players sharing their thoughts in opposition to this) Tacked onto that is two words "hype train." Only one other game I've noticed get hyped up but not quite deliver was Halo Infinite. It's been 2 years now and that game is only now starting to become "80% of what players wanted at launch." (although this may also be related to rushing things out the door before people would be happy with it) Last is that I don't really blame Starbreeze/Overkill for some of the deeper cuts (always online, intense DLC/microtransationcs) but I will point the blame to the Embracer Group (shown as the same people that shut down Volition of Saint's Row fame).

[@Airbomb]

It's not that payday the heist is a bad basis for gameplay. It's that payday 3 failed to deliver on aspects of both games. Everything that 3 does that is comparable to PDTH (such as lower but tougher enemies or the challenge progression) was done WAY better in PDTH.

[@ongogablogian4396]

Payday 2 persuaded me not to buy 3. The sheer amount of DLC despite promises that it wasn't going to become a DLCfest.

[@beatle7809]

What turned me off from the game was the way they priced the DLC. Payday 2 content was cheaper at release, and you got more

[@xqle]

WildGold i love your new style of editing and video making

[@mlgmcdonaldsland7063]

It baffles me wheb people say stealth is better in pd3. They have clearly only played control stealth missions. Which is like 1% of payday 2 stealth.

[@Airbomb]

It's still better mechanically, it's just that the current pool of heists don't offer much freedom compared to later payday 2 stealth possible heists. 6k hours on payday 2 btw.

[@simonfrancorodriguez5571]

A side store, related with Payday but ended by starbreeze. Once upon a time, a random guy remaked PD2 on roblox. Overkill noted it, liked it and told Brick (guy who made pd2 roblox) to change the name. After the name being changed, (Payday 2 to Heist), it remained online and updated. Years passed, Heist became Notoriety, Starbreeze detected Notoriety which was removing most PD features and Notoriety got a DMCA strike upon detection, at the month of September in 2023.

[@j.peters1222]

This will go down as one of the biggest fumbles of the bag in modern gaming history. People will be studying this for years to come.

[@guywithyoutubechannel8176]

Oh, so that's why the payday 2 dlc stuff was so weird, I kind of followed what the studio was up to, but even I had literally no idea they made TWO whole games in that time.

[@tylerhill40]

That guy who got fired almost buried Star breeze single handedly. It's over after PD3 fail.

[@upanddown1132]

When the first time I heard of Payday 3 I was expecting gta 5 multiplayer style open world crime system with your own stashouses where you could plan your heists and actually drive, escaping police kind of game mechanics. This game seems so disappointing, when I first time saw the trailer I was like Wtf have they been doing all these years. This video explains what they invested their time in. I got the same feeling when I saw CS2 trailer.

[@Dwayne_LaFontant]

I hope Payday 3 will become what it should’ve been. It could’ve been different if they had just delayed it and we would be singing a different song.

[@Tetragramix]

It would have been the same even if they delayed it. A lot of these changes are from public backlash. You could delay it for another 10 years and it would still release with a challenge based progression system because their idiot designers need massive backlash to even consider they might have been wrong.

[@AdrianOkay]

if the lead devs don't know what a real payday is, giving them more time to dev it would have made the wrong game just more polished, but still the wrong game

[@Luminarise]

They finally did it, the meta level of Payday the Heist is complete. Because we got robbed blind :)

[@hegyak]

Payday 2 towards the end of it's "Life" has some MAJOR issues. The Hummer on the White House is a 4K Model. The player Never interacts or uses it. But it's from their Walking Dead Game. So they recycled it into Payday 2.

[@kickster4u]

I’ll never forget buying payday crimewave edition release of payday 2 on Xbox one. I was so excited to play with my friends and meet new people to play with online. It was my only pre order ever. The game was broken at launch and for a whole year after release. I couldn’t play with anyone. That was so devastating for a young high schooler. I never pro ordered again. I wish they would release good games that worked at launch.

[@Knyght69]

I shed no tears. Starbreeze was told time and time and time again, not to make a live service. Don't listen, don't profit..ez...gg.

[@justanegsfan]

yayyy thats what they get for cutting support on payday 2 console versions. we felt abandoned for years

[@ChangedCauseYT-HateFoxNames]

They still had their gut punch with the ps5 pre-order delay and near constant crashes on ps5 with it apparently being worse on Xbox and when both consoles agree on an something through mutual suffering, you fucked up.

[@user-yg5rg2uk1q]

Meh they are still going to fuck up PD2 by unwanted update, the whole thing of Starbreeze is just disgusting

[@ethan-zd4gy]

Dude, your video quality gets better every video! Keep it up

[@Kotoknow]

it was already dead back when they added one down, u237, and damage range multipliers

[@BlAcKSaDooo]

Well the people that had any talent in them left Overkill a long time ago.

[@barrybenson1051]

i appraciate the research and time You put into this amazing video, sad to learn how the developers of one of my favourite games from my childhood wasted their chance,.I’m so glad i found Your channel, You deserve much more views and subscribers for all your work. Can’t describe how much your hitman videos helped me :)

[@razy0148]

Them abandoning consoles back in 2016 and refusing to update it further really didn't help with their reputation. Any console player with common sense will refuse to be scammed again and refuse to buy payday 3

[@zodasofuzah]

this video shows really well how grimey the payday creators are

[@temp3608]

In defense of the ''recent releases'' argument : Helldivers 2 released recently and EVERYONE is playing it. Can't forget Lethal Company either! Also yeah its still 90% greed. Live service is horrible.

[@biscuitbros152]

What ruins this game for me the most, is the lack of transparency with the community. It makes a lot of these updates feel so incredibly underwhelming with how little they speak about what’s coming in the future for the game and when they do, 60% of the time they don’t really give us anything to work with or even worth mentioning. It’s also ironic that when they do put out a big update that is exciting, the servers stop working because too many people came back and are trying to play it at once which then takes us back to why the hell do they still have networking server issues, six months after release when there’s so little people still playing regularly? Honestly though I’m not expecting Starbreeze to come out and be more transparent about their servers since they are in my eyes, the type of company to be hesitant to even talk about an “unready button” being added to the game. Rant over, have a nice day. ❤

[@theequalizer694]

Operation Medicbag is like trying to nurse a bear attack wound with a bandaid.

[@Stojce_]

I hate games as a live service, that model has contributed to us not having one good online game since like 2018

[@rausha]

Dude, you really know how to make an entertaining video. Great editing man.

[@filzargeynep3536]

Deserved. As much as I love PayDay 2 it is an incredibly flawed game that kept milking players for DLCs and had a story that jumped the shark for no reasons . I absolutely hate PD2's gameplay nowadays and feel like they really ruined it instead of doing any fixes or improvments.

[@Jodor--]

I was a massive payday 2 fan. The only reason I didn't get 3 was the ultimate edition getting early access. If you pre order you should get early access if it's a option. I flat out refuse to buy any game that has an edition that has anything apart from cosmetic value

[@SerreNameless]

Great video that showed exactly what I loved about Payday 2, love that you pointed out what they did right but also very wrong. They fixed so much, and did a lot of things right in Payday 3... but bizarrely decided to omit CORE features. And all the waste of money from the company. Really disappointing. My crew of friends and I, who played 200 hours of Payday 2 together, were incredibly excited to do it again in 3. We heard of the issues and held back on purchasing, saying "oh, we will wait until they patch it soon.." Months later, and none of us are willing to touch it. How sad that Starbreeze has wasted all this potential. I have not seen your vids before but I like the matching costumes, really cool.

[@S386LWBNM]

I played Syndicate on the Playstation 3. Bought it many years later on PC, one of those underrated games tbh. I had a good time with it.

[@AlmightyRager95]

We had Dead Space 3, Army of Two: the Devil's Cartel (AoT: 3, basically), Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts, and now we have Payday 3. Seems like 3 seems to be a cursed number for some big budget games. (Probably a butt-ton more threequels I missed, but these are the ones I remember.)

[@LeeONardo]

I think the reason three always seems to be the issue is it always runs like this: First film/game releases - it's excellent or good but feels great, people love it and want more. Second film/game releases - creators can see how to expand on it, fix issues, really happy the first did well so adrenaline to make a big sequel is there. Third film/game releases - creators are a bit "what can we do now?" and/or staff is bored and want to do something new.

[@BodhiF]

Closing doors, and carrying hostages doesn’t mean much, when every other feature and system in the game is completely soulless, or just bad. You can’t tell me developers at starbreeze have passion for this game, they see it as a paycheck, otherwise we would have had everything in the dumb “operation medic bag” already in the game at launch. If anyone actually enjoys Payday 3 for what it is, I hope you enjoyed getting scammed.

[@broiledbeef5319]

Played the crap out of Payday 2 for years, hell I’d even play it today if my friends invited me to, but got sick of Payday 3 in about 2 weeks. Not only is the progression slowed to a crawl thanks to the “challenge” system, but all the weapons just felt underwhelming across the board. I liked the *idea* of overkill weapons, but (from memory) there was only 2 available? One of which is an explosive that’s more likely to kill you faster than groups of enemies. What a waste.

[@Deadmemefinger]

If SBZ dies we can still hope that someone pays the rights for the IP of the series reviving it back (for better or worse) Same happened to Fallout

[@lordshakingcrying7778]

Payday 2 regularly goes on sale for 10 bucks too

[@bryarroland3936]

Agreed man, the fact that they are saying that the addition of basic features is a major update is just pathetic.

[@Janek212]

one thing i missed here is that the dlc is costing half price of the game, and have only 1 heist and 3 weapons, its not even 10% of the game

[@neopatrician]

Excellent. A review done by someone who knows Payday 2. Wolf cosplay on point. Even the accent works perfectly. Subscribed.

[@starkillermarex]

Raid was basically just a DLC because all the hiests were reskined Payday 2 early game heists like Jewelery Store and 4 Stores

[@Taigathemoss]

They really put PAY into Payday

[@MegaGaby50]

Great video, i really hope the game gets better with the operation medic bag, i really like it even tho it needs a lot to be fixed and added, i think it deserves better.

[@TITANia69420]

Why does Operation Medic Bag sound like Ubisoft's Operation Health for Rainbow Six Siege

[@ChangedCauseYT-HateFoxNames]

They are the same thing. The difference? To ubisofts credit they actually did somethings people liked.

[@cephy8102]

I have made a lot of poor financial decisions in my life, even recently. But Starbreeze makes me feel like the bloody authority on finance management by comparison.

[@TheTSense]

Payday 2 DLC: Heist + 4 Weapons + more than 4 cosmetics = 7 bucks Payday 3 DLC: Heist = 10 Bucks 4 Weapons = 5 Bucks 4 Cosmetics = 5 Bucks Lets not forget that Payday 2 usually got one free update followed by 2 paid DLC, so you got more heists to use your DLC weapons on or more free weapons to use on DLC heists. On top of a basegame that actually works. If they needed to be greedy, they should have crosslinked the Payday 2 DLCs to unlock stuff on Payday 3. Want that Sniperrifle in Payday 3? Buy the Payday 2 Gage Sniper pack if you don't have it already! At least a part of the community would have sticked up for them

[@Tiwill]

8:00 This may be a hot take, but I preferred the bodybags mechanic from 2. You could build yourself as a 'cleaner' type and bring lots of bodybags + reduced penalty for civ deaths. It was fun to quickly knock a civ out, bodybag them and throw them in a dumpster to clear the perimeter. No idea why you would kill everyone on Diamond Store of all heists, that's one of the easiest to stealth without hurting any civ. Even if you play solo for some reason, you can just keep shouting at civs if you run out of zip ties, controlling the crowd as heisters would. The skill tree in Payday 3 barely lets you do any fun things like that, every build and loadout just feels the same. Good video btw, I just didn't really agree with this part.

[@Timboslxice]

So helldivers just doesn't exist then

[@Pingolin_]

Man, I really got into Payday recently, and in the worst moment.

[@Airbomb]

Buy payday 2

[@Pingolin_]

@@Airbomb I buid it after you told me this. Thanks.

[@calciumm.]

I may be misremembering, but wasnt Locke and Joy supposed to lead payday 3 after Bain was killed off? They never really, yknow, killed Locke off and it was heavily hinted at. Where is Locke? Who is this Shade character? Did these guys forget the story they wrote??

[@joshuasiebenhofer2452]

Dallas: I've stole a Lot of Money in my Life. But this! This is even below MY Standards.