How Strong are the Puma Infantry Fighting Vehicle

[@kentahl2889]

CV9040 👍Made in Sweden

[@Military-TV]

Watch here about CV90 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaDXg2umnKqimbc

[@MBuliveivari]

Love from Finland. Great things.

[@brulsmurf]

The Rheinmetall MK 30-2 autocannon. For when your target, and anything within 2 cityblocks behind it, absolutely has to be destroyed.

[@Fistmybeer]

Gotta love it!!!! O7

[@piestein4610]

he forgot the programm airburst ammuntion. and the connection to the infantry ..so the infantry can mark enemys on a live map wich is linked to the vehicle

[@philchristmas4071]

The Germans always build nice weapons. Pricey but quality. 🇺🇸🇩🇪

[@85daniel]

This vehicle is to pricey. It's probable the most expensive IFV of the world. Because of this Rheinmetall created the Lynx for other customers. There is the possibility that the new american main IFV will become based on the lynx which is a exceptional well designed vehicle.

[@pedrolistacarey4880]

@@85daniel - Good. outstanding weapons cost money...but you get THE BEST, your money's worth. Now, if you can't afford it, or if you are rather stingy, well, you'll always get cheaper lookalikes, second rate material that will last less and perform dubiously.

[@Richard-wz9uh]

Wow! Impressive!

[@Military-TV]

Very!

[@klausberfelde-je2ye]

Best of all, it has a big friend (A400M) that carries him where ever it's needed.

[@BlauImHerzen]

It's not the armor or the cannon that make the Puma so exceptionally good, Although both are very good, it's the built-in technology and the entire concept. During combat, the Puma is permanently connected to the dismounted crew via radio and video and vice versa, which means the Pumpa is closed t he maximum overview of the war zone at all times and can react extremely quickly. Whoever shoots first or can take cover wins the fight.

[@clubprojects6923]

Fancy kit. But in the current struggle, AFV's are falling prey to drones and artillery. The capability of the vehicle is secondary to the wisdom of its deployment.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

its capable to act as SHORAD system if needed

[@montys420-]

They have always fallen victim to artillery either anti tank guns or just plain HE and as for kamikaze drones and just DJI drones dropping munitions will be counted with EW

[@thorH.]

@@zhufortheimpaler4041 i am not really sure about that. I think die to air burst ammunition it has some of the capability to effect, however we don’t know weather it has the track and target capability. I believe they tested it, but Id love to figure out weather or not it is certified as well

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

@@thorH. its part of the core design. Same with Marder when it was designed, it got AA visors to target low flying aircraft and helicopters.

[@thorH.]

@@zhufortheimpaler4041 but the question is, how agile the system is. Can it only hit slow helicopters, or also small and fast drones. What about larger missiles? If you look at the German Wiki entry it only talks about helicopters. But what do I know…

[@UnwrappingByMimiKoteng]

Amazing.

[@Casey093]

I wonder how the rest of the world sees our tanks in such a good light, while our own government always tells how they want to get rid of our military. And the chronical low funding of our military, which leads to half of our tanks and planes being grounded, is a meme by now.

[@fruhlingsrolle7303]

Our current government clearly went another route.

[@pedrolistacarey4880]

What country are you from ?

[@vornamenachname989]

​@@pedrolistacarey4880He's from Germany, the Puma is a german IFV.

[@montys420-]

KF41 Lynx has been ordered by Poland or Norway maybe anyways I'm 💯% sure they released the contract a week before you did this video mate.

[@lagolusek]

Could you please provide me a source for that information?

[@montys420-]

@@lagolusek Hungary ordered them and started into production this yr

[@cathulhu-q7y]

its hungary, ukraine and italy that ordered KF-41 and very likely the US chooses it too

[@MrWinotu]

We have puma... when is going to be nike built?

[@sindbad8411]

in English you pronounce Rheinmetall as in Rhinestone and NOT Rainmetall

[@thematrix248]

Theoretically it look like they cuverd all angels ,it has to be proven in battle .

[@martinschwienbacher9334]

You really forget the key feature (also expensive for the tax payer with approx currently crazy 750 - 1.000 € per round ...), i.e. the programmable AHEAD airburst round ;-) Side note: The 30mm canon is "dual feed", triple and a turret with a bit more ammo storage might have been more clever to add a 3rd more cost efficient 30mm ammo type.

[@abhishekparmar6702]

i have never understood, because ive always observed, germans being able to design and produce very effectively but somehow always their final execution is always bungled. for example, germany can design and produce Lynx and Puma, and has all the industrial capacity to produce en masse, but as you said rounds are brutally expensive; so is initial acquisition cost and so is maintenance. Why in the world would they not produce something that is slightly more cost effective is beyond me.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

@@abhishekparmar6702 you want the best for your men in the field, so its expensive. yes there are cheaper options, but those are cheaper because someone else made the investment to develope the technology for them. For example: Puma has a unit price of about 17m euros, Lynx 10m euros. But why is Lynx that much cheaper, even though it is in respect to technology just a little bit downgraded? Because the technology that is used in Lynx is based on the Puma programme. The developement cost of the technology was covered with Puma, wich made Puma significantly more expensive. So everybody that now buys the "off the shelf" solution Lynx for around 10m€ a piece because it is comparably cheap and highly effective, benefits from the initial iinvestment germany made with Puma. If everybody buys off the shelf, there will be next to no technological innovation and developement.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

Dual Feed because you only need armor piercing loadout for harder targets (IFV´s, APC´s etc) and a HE-FRAG-Airburst loadout for the rest. What do you want to feed via the third feed? Paintballs? If you shoot at MBT´s you use SPIKE-LR (MELLS)

[@abhishekparmar6702]

@@zhufortheimpaler4041 1. i see plenty innovation without it having to be so cripplingly expensive. i'll give you some examples,A) bhramos missile was developed at fraction of cost of anything comparable in west, b.) T90MS is dirt cheap as compared to these and still its not a horsecart (quite opposite, its incredibly competent), C.) Chinese Type 90 v2 (i think thats the name) is possibly world class, D) K2 Black Panther 8Mil USD and E) its IFV K21 3.2 Mil USD, with similar or better specs. F, G, H) S400, S500 SU57 program in total did not exceed 6 billion initial purchase of Puma 360 units is 5.99 billion i think (17.14x350). 2. so much of what you said initially is just make believe on your part. i dont even know how to respond 3. you always need critical mass, german army learned this painfully in ww2, regardless of tech, you need enough of them and you need them to be reasonably easily serviceable. i know Leapord v7 (whatever is it called exactly) is maintenance heavy so is Pzh 2000? that popular SPH from germany. point being Military Industrial complex milking german tax payers for all they can. you knowingly or unknowingly are an apologist for that. Do with it what you will.

[@abhishekparmar6702]

@@zhufortheimpaler4041 why are you so aggressive, from his name, he maybe german and simply wishes something cost effective to be added, but sure buddy we will add tactical paintballs. youll prolly be there explaining then how paintballs are justified in costing million USD per round with your great explanation " cuz innovation".

[@rccarguy3696]

I’ll take 2!

[@exmarina]

MAIN JOB ASSIST THE INFANTRY.....

[@Bathtubcrocodile]

I love these vehicles. I wonder though what the industry is cooking against the small drone threat. Tiny fpv drones and bomb dropping big drones etc. I would assume some small anti drone turret is in the making to detect and neutralize this new threat. I certainly hope the new Nordic cv90 project is on top of this problem. It would be unproffesional not to react and adapt.

[@dominikschrader5930]

what I like about it, it's an anti everything weapon.

[@Thor_Asgard_]

When its ironed out its small flaws, it will be the best in the world, until then the CV90 rules the world.

[@nagmashot]

the Puma whipped the floor with the latest CV90 versions during Czech IFV trails... of all tested IFV there the Puma was the only one taken from active service ... the BW gave one from the trails.. all other IFV were factory nannyed testbatch vehicle... some remarkable records... Puma was the ONLY IFV during the test without any technical problems!!! Puma won the shooting with main gun by LIGTHYEARS... the second best had HALF the hits on target ... more astonishing... of all burst fired by the Puma during the life fire test a single round missed the target.. not to mention Puma was the only IFV that had their fire trails during a heavy strom with strong winds... The only reason Czech did not choose the Puma was money... overall it was the best in protection, firepower and accuracy, reliablity and mobility... but it was to expansive and the changes the Czech wanted would had made it even more expansive... but as always ..you get what you paid for... you get no S-Class for the price of a Polo

[@cathulhu-q7y]

@@nagmashot the reason Puma would have been too expensive for the Czech MOD is, because they wanted to replace the MK30-2ABM with a Bushmaster II Chaingun, to have 30x173mm belt commonality with their other vehicles. (both guns have the same caliber, 30x173mm, but different and incompatible belt systems) the integration of the different feed system and storage would have raised the unit price over what the Czech were willing to pay.

[@kami4901akaaaaa]

I'm sure puma has passive radar as well

[@stanleytolle416]

One problem is Israel is not letting the spike missile system be exported where there is a conflict with Russia. Not good situation for current events.

[@jonny2954]

Manufactured under license by Eurospike, a consortium of Diehl, Rheinmetall and Rafael in Germany.

[@TheJollyKraut]

No ECM/Drone Countermeasures tho

[@jonny2954]

Skyranger.

[@emilsinclair4190]

Recently tested modified version that would be able to use the main huns against drones.

[@brianpreval5602]

It's puma - not poooma!

[@len2063]

A IFV with strong armour and accurate gun when it works. I wounder how the logistic will work with all this tech. In WWI half of the British tank broke down before the could engage the enemy. Same thing happen to German Panther's in WWII at Kursk.

[@kaymio6547]

Puma fully operational? I heard something very, VERY, different...

[@schmo78]

Really? So what did you hear? That there has been some trouble with Puma recently? Strange thing is, that guys like you never hear that these problems had been fixed within a few days.

[@NotUnymous]

You mean the media story that blow up a couple of month ago, that in a training mission 18 out of 18 Pumas broke down and werent operational? Well, as a matter of fact shortly after reports were published that the story was highly exaggerated. All of them had issues, but all of those issues were the type that can be quickly fixed in a couple of minutes and on the fly. Still, not a nice incident for the posterboy IFV... But nothing to be worried about either.

[@paxundpeace9970]

@@NotUnymous Wrong. It took weeks to fix them one of the Puma needed longer repairs. They have issue like this all the time they keep shuting down because the power generation and the internal pc is overloaded.

[@Thor_Asgard_]

@@paxundpeace9970 wrong, 17 could be fixed within hours at the maintenance facitlity, only 1 had a cable fire, which took weeks to fix.

[@Kenny-yl9pc]

@@Thor_Asgard_ Dude, you literally just repeated what the other guy wrote but went ahead and said "wrong"...

[@MCSonixx]

🦁🖤❤💛🦁

[@richardwaugh2049]

The Puma sounds almost as good as the Israel IFV on the Mercava chassis

[@wolflarsen1900]

ha haha, everything on a mercava chassis is a mess. why? because its a mercava chassis.

[@nagmashot]

The Namer (based on Merkava) is a APC no IFV... it has only one cal50 MG... no autocanon no ATGM

[@nagmashot]

@@wolflarsen1900 look someone with zerro clue

[@Benz2533]

I think there 8 of them in testing and they all break down just about the same time and the project of Puma get axe. It a really beautiful design vehicle but it just did not make the cut.

[@jonny2954]

German Army has 350 in active service.

[@Benz2533]

@@jonny2954 the Puma ?

[@jonny2954]

@@Benz2533 Yes.

[@Benz2533]

@@jonny2954 so the Western news is lying again. Amazing.

[@jonny2954]

@@Benz2533 No, they have started introduction in 2015. All 350 vehicles were delivered by the end of 2021.

[@matssvensson3834]

cv90

[@PatriotIndia]

Cramped crew and soldier compartment

[@len2063]

A working new CV9035MkIV cost 11mil$ and a Puma cost 17mil$. A CV90120 Mjölner only cost 1.7mil$

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

and a Puma will kill the CV90 with ease, the reverse will likely not happen. Puma is expensive because it was the developement platform for a bunch new technologies. Lynx is comparable or better to CV90 and is around 10m€ a piece, because the developement cost was covered in Puma.

[@len2063]

@@zhufortheimpaler4041 I think that is the IFV that see the other first will win by using its ATGM.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

@@len2063 well Puma has an active protection system, CV90 does not.... So the ATGM of CV90 will struggle.

[@len2063]

@@zhufortheimpaler4041 it depend what you equipment you put on cv90.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

@@len2063 current in service equipment? yeah of course there is a programm to upgrade it with iron fist, but thats not in service right now

[@katoy9976]

Only for enough to a lancet or geran 2

[@Husk2280]

E

[@slumpdr5348]

Puma is strong? Are you kidding me? Is Puma can move or operate now? Most of Puma can not operate now and they are out of order now.

[@emilsinclair4190]

Well this was wrong when you wrote your comment and this is still wrong today.

[@anger9984]

too over engineered, no one can fix it

[@jonny2954]

Except it has been fixed last year.

[@gener3millio]

Unit cost €17.14 million, that make him so bad. You can buy 4-5 Moderne fighting veicule XD

[@iamf6641]

1 unit would destoryu 4-5 fightinve vehiclein 5 seconds.

[@gener3millio]

@@iamf6641 ofc not

[@NotUnymous]

@@gener3millio In a fight it's not about money but to get the job done. If you have the superior tools you most likely will prevail. Also, if you prevail, the cost of beeing in a monatary wise more expensive vehicle actually will be the cheaper option. Because to fail is always more expensive.

[@paxundpeace9970]

It is overpriced and not as good as similar IFVs.

[@dasding002]

How much cost a fully trained panzercrew?

[@mrsteve2099]

The Puma is a complete dumpster fire of a project. The German government has halted an new acquisitions of the Puma after they proved to be unreliable und unfit for combat operations

[@TheBooban]

Yeah. These paper features is not good enough. Go to war and find everything is kaput!

[@richardwaugh2049]

Then maybe they could pay Ukraine to take them all

[@thorH.]

Not the vehicles fault, but rather the inadequate maintenance and support due to bad organizational structure.

[@nagmashot]

next noob with no clue