How Strong is Quirkless Deku?

Ever wonder how strong Deku would be without One for All? Well, by regular human standards, he's still a superhuman. Let's discuss why.
#mha #myheroacademia #deku #bnha

[@bigbluedinothethird9781]

Normes: Deku could be a hero with his intelligence and suport gear Intellectuals: Deku could be a hero with his Gains

[@jefftheindianchief8279]

Big Brainers: He could do BOTH! AT THE SAME TIME!

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

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[@dranoradragonqueen1494]

@@jefftheindianchief8279 AHHHHHHHHHH lol

[@whateverwhatever4476]

@@jefftheindianchief8279 people normally just want to turn him into Batman

[@legobrick1356]

@@whateverwhatever4476 I mean...he pretty much has that potential with help from the support department. I personally love the running joke about if Nezu got his hands on Izuku and turned him into a Nezu 2.0 because of his intellectual potential. It is a very common concept.

[@CrowofJudgement461]

I can just imagine the other UA teachers being like “Wow Allmight you just got a kid with a strength quirk” “He’s not using his quirk” “He’s not WHAT?”

[@AsobiMedio]

*Aizawa notices Izuku attempting to lift a small truck in the distance *He uses his quirk on Izuku as a prank *Izuku doesn't slow down in the slightest *Aizawa needs a drink

[@gameslab2500]

@@AsobiMedio thats not a prank thats attempted murder 💀

[@slowi18]

@@gameslab2500 all might would be in the location to save him from

[@Vulxnyrie]

⁠ong

[@loveladii69]

@@AsobiMedio this is the definition of prank them john

[@thisman6205]

Not only is he carrying over 500 pounds, but he's carrying a human. Carrying a human is a lot harder than carrying a barbell

[@LifeInJambles]

Just ask my mom, she had to carry me for months and would not describe the experience as being easier than a deadlift.

[@marxel4444]

He pushed the GOD DAMN TRUCK! TO! THE! TOP! OF! THE! PILE!

[@LifeInJambles]

@@marxel4444 HE BOOT TOO BIG FOR HE GOTDAMN FEET

[@Plasmagon99]

Yeah, because both you and the person you're carrying are trying to balance yourselves and can cause the other to become unbalanced as a result of balancing yourself.

[@t900HAWK]

A lot of people for get that we are 70% water and water like to swish around

[@NotABotiPromise]

This might be head fanon, but I think people in MHA have evolved to become stronger and more durable to compensate for Quirks. That's why Aizawa, Stain and many other characters with no enhancement type quirks can do many feats that can be described as borderline super human in our standards. But everyone is so strong that quirks are still the best asset when in a fight.

[@reflect5161]

That's not a head canon at all. No regular human can outrun shigarakis decay. All those heroes who outran it in season 6, most people didn't have strength and speed enhancement type quirks. I mean cmon in season 2 Kirishima cracked tetsutetsus steel arm with his raw strength.

[@jonahchandler2485]

Also mirio when he fights the nomu in season 6

[@felixjohnson3874]

I went in more detail in my own comment but I'd day you're half right. I'd argue 'quirkless' people actually just have a hidden quirk of an extremely high and/or extremely growable Quirk Capacity or Qcap. Without a 'quirk' your Qcap maps to things like hysterical strength, making you able to do things through force of will that, strictly speaking, you shouldn't be able to. WITH a traditional quirk it enables you to use that quirk. This is why Deku got so much better so much faster; his Qcap was already high due to his Strength of Will, AND he was born "quirkless" meaning his Qcap was extremely malleable, AND he trained his ass off, undergoing training that anyone without his Strength of Will wouldn't undergo and anyone without his flexible & high Qcap would have their body break down trying to undergo. It'd also explain why the prior owners died young due to nebulous 'natural causes'; their Qcap was too low and, since they were GRANTED their powers instead of being born with and developing them naturally, their Qcap wasn't high enough to support them. All Might survived because he was 'quirkless' and so his Qcap was way more flexible & adaptive naturally. Deku however has even more Strength of Will than he did, so he's trained way harder and his Qcap is higher than even All Might's, hence why, despite his physical frame, he's now reliably about as-strong if not stronger than All Might. Since his Qcap is so high however, that also means he has insane 'quirkless' reflexive & hysterical strength, because Qcap naturally maps to those things anyway. Endeavour reinforces this, he *_constantly_* trains himself and those around him to get better, to an unhealthy degree. So, when his entire body is broken and aching and he should be dead, his insanely high Qcap gives him the endurance & hysterical strength to go full pheonix & use his own fire to propel his body into combat. Qcap is, broadly, "the ability to act beyond your means". That enables supernatural things like quirks, buuuut it'd also enable 'superhuman' things like hysterical strength or insanely fast reflexes. Being born 'quirkless' would actually just mean being born with a more flexible Qcap. (POTENTIALLY, the difference is that people's bodies naturally 'develop into' their quirks and get used to them, in fact this is hinted at when Yuga mentions his body isn't built for his Navel Laser. In this interpretation being born quirkless might not be a quirk in-and-of itself, but since your body developed *_without_* acclimating to a specific quirk it is more adaptive & flexible overall) In fact, this might even be why his body stopped breaking. It's not that his bones literally got harder, it's that his Qcap finally began to reach where it needed to be to handle OfA. Actually, this would even explain why All Might had his 'super strength'; he didn't. He literally is still Quirkless, he just inherited more 'power' from OfA and his Qcap was high enough to sustain it. He was just *_constantly_* acting on, basically, hysterical strength; raw Qcap. Thats why, in absence of a quirk, incomprehensible strength, speed, reflexes are seemingly the default.

[@chukyuniqul]

I mean endeavor halted a careening van dead in its tracks. I doubt that guy has any significant (if at all) physical amps from his quirk.

[@NotABotiPromise]

​@@felixjohnson3874 That's actually really interesting. I've never actually heard about "Quirk Capacities" before. Though it could actually explain a lot of things. Maybe the absence of a Quirk Factor just means that all other bodily functions (i.e adrenaline and your examples) usually attributed to a quirk is being spread throughout the Quirkless' body and therefore enhances them. But this is of course just my speculation. Where did you hear about QCaps? Is this a thing in canon? Or are there brilliant fanfics that have this?

[@napbuddy1754]

Since the beach was abandoned that means that nobody was packing it, and unpacked sand absolutely destroys your ankles when trying to walk through it.

[@FilthyToes14267]

The tons of trash there for years would pack it?

[@JamUsagi]

@@FilthyToes14267 It would pack the parts the trash is on, but not the parts it isn’t. Eventually even the parts that had trash would loosen up once the trash was removed, between the tides and the lack of people, making it more difficult the further along Izuku got in training.

[@imallin971]

Wet sand is pretty packed, especially when the tide is going out.

[@SuperCyberEditz]

Something else that you realise is that deku doesn't even unlock five percent until after the sports festival 💀

[@YukiSnow75]

POV the whole state after a 50% smash

[@georgehathaways4599]

i think that most anime MCs are already strong without powers like luffy and sabo as kids were lifing big ass boulders and fighting big ass bears and doing crazy feats as little kids😂😂yuji was fighting cursed spirits

[@MelianLimGachaVideos]

@@georgehathaways4599 Well, there's an explanation why Yuji is inhumanly strong prior to being a sorcerer. For Luffy and Sabo, however, yeah humans in One Piece ain't normal.

[@PikaPenny17]

@@MelianLimGachaVideos Luffy at least had already eaten his devil fruit.

[@Tempmastergaming]

@@PikaPenny17 yea but it didnt like actually increase his physical strength tho that was pretty much just base strength since at the time he just had rubber quaility with no boost in power until later on in the show

[@lostanimeworld11]

Some villain: Haha! Your quirk has been sealed! What will you do now? Deku: *punch* Villain: OW! ARE HIS HANDS MADE OF BRICKS?!

[@Burn_Angel]

Deku: Aw, man. Now I'll have to kick you. In the face. With my steel soles. Oh, did I mention I wasn't using my quirk?

[@anonymousless1nes]

All might even mentioned most people can lift heavy stuff like a fridge even without superstrenght quirks

[@_Vi_nes]

This aged like fine wine

[@LordRaine]

MHA is a setting where the "Charles Atlas Superpower" trope is absolutely real. We see various heroes and villains perform physical feats that have NOTHING to do with their quirks, that would still qualify as superhuman. Which means any quirkless person could also do them. Stain took an absolutely unholy amount of physical punishment before going down, Nighteye was strong enough to embed a man twice his size into a concrete wall by throwing a weighted stamp at him, and Lady Nagant's marksmanship had nothing to do with her quirk and was completely natural. All that in mind, we have to assume that any quirkless who trained hard enough could eventually match Nighteye's strength, Stain's toughness, and Nagant's skill. And having all of those things in one person would make them extraordinarily dangerous. Izuku being intelligent and capable of picking his opponents apart would just be icing on the cake at that point.

[@jonathanwilliams86]

Reminds me of Marvel's Xmen characters. Some of them have pretty ridiculous physical feats that are in no way related to their mutant abilities.

[@MagicGonads]

@@jonathanwilliams86 in those universes they say the metahumans are inherently more durable/strong/agile as a baseline

[@dandywaysofliving]

Look at mirio after he lost his quirk fighting overhaul. . Consider kacchan can fire those grenades no problem. . Ochako learned hand to hand combat, It's about everything else you do, plus using your quirk with those skills. . I brought up mirio cause he was physically fit and was able to survive without his quirk. . That's my real strong point

[@LordRaine]

@@dandywaysofliving Mirio is actually a better example of this than you think, because while we don't know too much about him, we do know that everyone told him to not use his quirk, because it was too dangerous, and that he didn't seriously train with it or learn how to use it effectively until he interned with Nighteye. But consider the implications of that. That would mean that Miro took and PASSED the UA Entrance Exam functionally quirkless, made it into and KEPT his place in the hero course functionally quirkless, and then made it far enough into his first Sport's Festival for Nighteye to see him, notice him, and decide to mentor him. While functionally quirkless. Miro absolutely busted his ass to get where he is, and it probably explains why he was relatively unbothered about losing his power: he's used to fighting without it. But for the sake of the point, it proves that you don't need a quirk to be dangerous or strong in MHA. The power level of a dedicated and highly trained individual can be extremely high. Miro proves that, since he wasn't what we saw him as until after he had already made it into UA and placed high in his own Sport Festival.

[@Gift_Of_Victory]

Honestly, I think one could say that the presence of recessive quirk genes gives him superhuman physical adaptability, a trait shared by all individuals with quirk genetics, but only seriously realized by Midoriya.

[@darkrahi6853]

“My apologies midoriyah, I wasn’t familiar with your quirkless game”

[@zootlee8323]

No quirk in MHA = Heavenly restriction in JJK

[@eeeeeeee4968]

Ngl that seems correct

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Agreed

[@Tibsterv]

Not really doe

[@skell6134]

@@Tibsterv Heavenly restriction in exchange for taking away cursed energy gives you quite a bit of physical boost if i remember right ?

[@Tibsterv]

@@skell6134 kokichi muta has a heavenly restriction yet still has cursed energy sooooo

[@DonniedrakoE]

Deku’s endurance is also ridiculous as well. Man was fighting every villain he could find across Japan for a month while having zero sleep and multiple bullet wounds. Spoilers: the war arc is crazy too given he had to fly from an island to ua fight shiggy for hours on end while trying to deal with gearshift exhaustion and had his arms blown off and is still somehow conscious

[@allforone2544]

I thought he was a vigilante for around 2 months

[@cross_rdiance7968]

@@allforone2544 The time that Midoriya was a 'Vigilante'/Rogue Hero is very uncertain. At minimum, it is a month as Hawks states that a month has passed since the Tartarus Outbreak. Furthering this, it seems that Lady Nagant was to bring him to Mr. AFO within 2 months unless I'm misremembering. Not to mention Class 1-A immeidlay trying to find Rogue Deku which throws the entire timeline of events into question. As such, at minimum it is at least a month but at max it could have been a maximum of 2-3 months.

[@yoru8815]

@@cross_rdiance7968 if I remember it right, deku going rogue starts at February, and bakugo mentioned they can't graduate to 2nd year so that's at April. So I think it's 2 months

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@yoru8815 when deku goes on villain hunt it began in April, specifically 3 days after the paranormal liberation war arc and lasted for a month so may is probably accurate

[@cross_rdiance7968]

@@yoru8815 Ya, my headcanon is 2-3 months as previously mentioned since Horikoshi has been extremely vague regarding the entity of the timeline post-Paranormal War.

[@skeloluke4967]

“One of the spices rolled under the fridge and he just…. picked it up”

[@Crow_Birb2009]

"What else did he do? " "He.... He kitten licked the spoon... "

[@XDteam123]

“He’s small but strong”

[@Roto3]

Quirkless deku could be his own version of batman.

[@terrorbilly3367]

Just poor

[@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287]

If he had the know-how and talent to make his own gear in the support class before transferring to the hero class, then he would have been perfectly fine.

[@jeremycurtis7298]

Instead deku with quirks became spider man lol

[@Cipher_Paul]

​@@terrorbilly3367 😂

[@CaffieneKitty]

HELL YES.

[@allforone2544]

I feel like it's important to note that this is at the BEGINNING of the series because Deku has gone from barely using 5% to using nearly 50, that's like a 10x increase to basically everything, so yeah Quirkless Deku, even in season 6, is a monster.

[@expireddoom]

Not how it works with OFA, it isn't a flat curve, 5 to 50% isn't a 10x, OFA has been active for too long and passed through too many hosts, 2 of which were quirkless allowing it to wake up in All Might, and actually stretch in Deku.

[@LifeInJambles]

Yeah, I think that this video is even more conservative than intended, because a lot of this calculation happened before he got used to the added strain of progressively increasing levels of full cowling. Like sure, he's more constantly enhanced later... but the reason he couldn't use 100% right from the beginning was that his body wasn't strong or durable enough. If he's using more of his power, it means his body is capable of handling more of that power. Deku is WAY stronger than this video is considering without his quirk at this point. OFA basically acts to overclock his natural abilities, which means his natural abilities need to scale in order to keep up. Lil homie's a monster at this point, with or without his quirk.

[@gigas115]

This is something I noticed in the show already, since Endeavor- a character not known to have a strength quirk- is also shown to have stupid physical strength. Like, dude is mostly firepower, but he lifts, too, so he's that much stronger.

[@skrubknight884]

yeah, i noticed that as well in his first appearance against the nomu trio when he went for that punch against the dark beefy one. That hulking beast was shown ripping up stone and metal and easily overpowering heroes prior to this, and yet a fairly moderate punch from endeavor hit so hard the monster went flying and its arm was straight up ripped apart by the impact.

[@gigas115]

@@skrubknight884 Right? Even without a quirk, this world is set up so anyone really could be a hero. Heck, I think it would've been cooler to show that Deku still believed in himself to the point of training his body along with his study of heroes, so he could try to prove that he could still be a hero. Only to have the same problem happen with the sludge villain, since that villain is a poor match for a physical fighter without All Might's level of power. This would result in the same kind of heartbreak where Deku falters, and kicks himself because despite everything, he ends up being worthless in the face of a villain. However, he still showed that heroic spirit despite being quirkless, so he still gets the affirmation from All Might, and if it's still in the story, receive OFA.

[@turtle_demigod8201]

@@gigas115 I agree to the part where he should have been training his body as he grew up, otherwise he really couldn't say he tried his best since he never actually tried to better himself physically. However, about the first part, if everyone can reach that level of strength then no, not everyone can become a hero. This is because, a side from the nerves it takes for the job and the brutal training, if you were up against a foe who also trained there body but had a powerful quirk up their sleeve as well, you wouldn't be able to do anything aside from outwit them or wait for back up, and if there are several of them you're just screwed.

[@gigas115]

​@@turtle_demigod8201 Technically, yeah. Practically though, most people just don't, and it can be assumed that's because they rely too much on their quirks. Like, most people that have been shown just don't really work on their body. Maybe that's because they're complacent with their quirks, but still. The main reason it would be "anyone can be a hero" not "everyone will be jacked" is because of the mindset going into it. Not everyone is desperate enough to be a hero or villain that they'd take themselves to extremes just to keep up with quirks. Pretty much, the world is the same, but the quirkless people who want to be strong enough to help others or make changes in the world can still obtain a level of power that matters.

[@vonmitchell264]

@@gigas115 the series would have to change drastically to keep Deku quirkless. Towards the end of the series he would be completely useless against AFO & Shigaraki.

[@joyconboyz9669]

Crazy how everyone calls Deku a crybaby but that crybaby can lift FRICKIN 900LBS 😭 Edit: 400 LIKES I wanna thank my momma and my Edit: 800 Likes and did I start a war by accident ✋🏿🙂‍↕️🤣

[@K.Bbluesword5525]

Just a strong emotional guy

[@tusantus]

crybigboi

[@seongjaeoh8742]

You do realize physical strength does not mean mental maturity right?

[@tusantus]

@@seongjaeoh8742 then again you do need at least a pound of mental strength to train and get THAT strong

[@seongjaeoh8742]

@@tusantus superalloy darkshine from opm is an example of a character without mental strength despite being hailed as near physically indestructible

[@pixelmade42]

"hey my truck just broke down could you help me out?" "oh neat a strength quirk" "..." "what do you MEAN youre quirkless you just LIFTED A TRUCK"

[@Ghostdog775]

Anakin Skywalker: i hate sand Deku: i workout on sand for fun

[@SHOGUNTE]

Well, Aizawa basically fights quirkless. His quirk does negate most quirks, which puts him on even standing most of the time, but it doesn't work on mutation quirks. He's still a pro regardless and during his career, how many mutation quirk bearers have likely been taken out? Really, Deku would just need Martial arts training to better utilize his physical strength. Not to mention the option of support tools. He's good to still be a quirkless hero.

[@ZenKrio]

I always found it ridiculous that deku came in last In the classes , original tests at the beginning of the show. You're telling me grape juice managed to outperform him in every physical activity? Deku was trained by All Might for months leading up to this and exceeded expectations. I feel like he was easily more physically capable than a good half dozen other people in the class. He likely should have been bottom 5, but even with a broken finger, i could still see him beating a few others at the random tests Eraser put them up to.

[@voidcommando7574]

pretty sure Aizawa gives lower scores on purpose to deku since wanted to fail with from the beginning even without quirk useage deku might rank around 14th in his class beating kaminari/Mineta/toru/sero/jiro/aoyama while possible even higher like tsu/koda/sato for 11th

[@Rill_1]

It was a quirk assessment test though, wasn't it? He didn't even use his quirk for most of it, and then ruined his last half of scores with his shattered finger.

[@mediocri5y]

@@Rill_1 but most of their quirks( jiro,kaminari,hagukure,mineta) don't help them with ANY of those test( except kinda on the sidesteps) so it still doesn't make sense in universe( I say in universe cause we both know that it's just hori wanting him to be the underdog)

[@MammalianCreature]

Yeah, he's not the only one Izuku would have beat either. No way someone with the power of "I can turn invisible but don't get any more athletic" would have beaten him after months of being personally bulked up on a plan designed by All Might.

[@reidt182]

tbf, even with All Might's training, he still only got strong hella suddenly compared to all of his peers

[@KiraiKatsuji]

Finally someone puts it out there that Izuku is a Monster in strenght even before Getting One For All under Control, and then up until now his body grew Many Many times in strenght to handle so many times more of One For All's Power

[@turtle_demigod8201]

that was also in part of his body integrating OFA apart of it. All Might could use it right away, not because he was just that strong, but because the the quirk wasn't. It states how All Might cultivated most of the strength in OFA

[@KiraiKatsuji]

@@turtle_demigod8201 Yes but he surpassed Human limits even when being this small well before getting OFA, just look at that pile of trash on the beach at the end he needed to lift it and place it there, and my theory always was that since OFA boosts quirks that it has inside then so it should boost the body of the user, and most OFA users didn't have the quirk for more than a decade as All might pretty much has majority of the OFA's existance in him as well as has only it so obviously he would make it grow most

[@Dello678]

Ima say it. Mha would be way more interesting if he didnt get a quirk.

[@KiraiKatsuji]

@@Dello678 No it wouldn't since we have option A he for stupid reasons with no quirks gets to super human level to MHA world, or option B we have Tech driven Izuku which would be intresting but would have totally different spirit

[@Dello678]

@@KiraiKatsuji with the current stats he has and technology it would be way more interesting

[@kestontaylor5130]

I can imagine the students being like, "Wow. Deku's quirk is pretty strong" "He's not even using it" "what."

[@bengaffney7905]

I would love to see an alternate universe story in my hero where Deku didn’t get his powers and we just saw the story from that perspective. I think that would make it so cool.

[@bengaffney7905]

@lovethedemonwolf.roadto2k yeah but I think it’s just people maturing and releasing they were being dicks for dumb reasons

[@hyperdreamer9483]

I mean yes it would’ve been interesting to see how he’d far with his physical abilities and smarts alone, but let’s be honest here if it wasn’t for One-For-All he wouldn’t have gotten into UA in the first place since he wouldn’t have the mobility or physical power to blow away the 0-Pointer. And even if he got in somehow Aizawa would’ve definitely sent him home due to having no potential to be a truly powerful Hero. Pretty much Deku’s dreams would pretty much end before they began

[@Ilikeanime972]

@lovethedemonwolf.roadto2kor he was and isn’t anymore😂

[@soulcyclone360]

There is about a million different fanfictions all about that. Now, to see it drawn and animated, that would be amazing

[@user-dp2zl2ch7i]

Deku the one punch man

[@toad6284]

*Slaps Table* Yes! Exactly! I've been saying this from the start! It's not just Deku either, everyone in MHA has 'low level' superhuman strength and durability. So many things that they just walk off in the show would be major trauma inducing irl, if not just out right deadly.

[@GameSetPatch]

This could be explained by all of humanity being affected when super powers started showing up, and people just adapted to the new norm of being slightly strong and more resilient than we are accustomed to. Eventually, the average person wouldn't even know that even without a quark, they are strong than previous generations, as the only thing to have to compare themselves with are the power gap between themselves and the most active batch of super humans currently in the media.

[@Kyosumari]

@@GameSetPatch Honestly would be a great detail to delve into for fan works or future arcs - maybe not a main plot point, but its got good lore roots.

[@Mr_Yod]

Yes, take all the other heroes that don't have strenght or resistace/endurance quirks for example (like Bakugo): a punch from Deku should decapitate them yet that doesn't happen and they just fly away without broken bones at all. =)

[@IsaiahJones-rw1pc]

It's also interesting that it only took humanity about a little over a century to fully adapt to having quirks and other superpowered traits. Makes you wonder what affect quirks have on their biology

[@True2ChainzLilWayne]

Quirkless Deku would easily be strong enough to make it to the top 8 at the 21st Tenkaichi if he was in Dragonball.

[@Silvercomet251]

Dang your right. He won't win but he will definitely beat some of the contestants. Except Bacterium guy he is disgusting.

[@MonkeBrain07]

Top 16 if he fought Bacterian. Kuririn was literally the only guy who could beat him.

[@sinistor3727]

Kinda off the topic but I think idea of OFA existing in DBZ is kinda work for me for some reason. Like OFA instead of being quirk(or can be a quirk) , it's technique/quirk that allow the next generation to inherit the ki and potential of their master before them and the technique style is focus on releasing the energy ALL AT ONCE.

[@Skyler3253]

​@@sinistor3727Honestly, if Izuku was in Dragon Ball, I think he would use OFA as inspiration for Kaioken, it's a weaker version, but has less drawbacks.

[@rahulchelani3635]

​@@sinistor3727still weak

[@doomi_no.17]

Lil bro is basically toji without his quirk 😭

[@ph4nt0ml0st]

toji sacrificed his powers for the raw physical ability, izuku worked for it. different yet somewhat similar

[@yosoydave8521]

had he been more confident on himself he would have definitely been a hero on his own, even without a quirk. guess that also shows how some kind words and discipline can change someone for the better

[@eliramon420]

This was really well done and thought out, not to mention that originally series creator, Kohei Horikoshi, was going to actually have Midoriya stay quirkless; with Bakugo surprisingly being a bit more friendly and a rival from the get-go. So even with this it's a very interesting thought of how Midoriya as a character could've potentially grown in that orignal idea.

[@ph4nt0ml0st]

izuku was more depressed and had more of bakugos personality in the original story/art

[@IsaiahJones-rw1pc]

This would have been interesting to see

[@flareeth1912]

We tend to forget, this guy lifted a HECKING TRUCK! UP SOME STAIRS! Like WHAT?!

[@Phoenix-jn4sn]

Imagine if deku had some kind of strength multiplying quirk and it just wasn’t noticeable, because he was so weak in the beginning.

[@arfanik9827]

this would be a great plot twist, it would also explain why he was using 5% of OFA for a long time. His body had to adjust to the swift change

[@ph4nt0ml0st]

the doctor that told izuku hes quirkless is also the same doctor that works for afo.... AND THE PLOT THICKENSSSS

[@fengshuimaster7880]

Imagine your just having a morning stroll before looking out at the beach and seeing a 14 year old fucking pick up a small truck and throw it on a massive pile of trash, honestly i would just go home, accept that day was a loss and wait for tommorrow

[@godpro3189]

I mean in verse its not crazy considering in mha they have kaijus, godzilla is literally an actor too in mha

[@JazzIsReallyCool]

lmao

[@davidresto9639]

Quirkless deku: The uber sleeper build.

[@jforgotten2620]

Deku has heavenly restriction

[@charlesm6819]

The one who left quirks behind

[@KilroyStillHere]

if you read mha : vigilantes the mentor to the main mc is quirkless and his strength is crazy although he does use brass knuckles he tanks thinks and can beat the s out of people so it does prove that a quirkless person can be strong

[@godpro3189]

I mean his body was already built after being an ex pro hero too

[@itsyaboiroi17]

im glad people are realizing just how much of a monster deku is in this series with just raw strength and intelligence alone

[@danganronpaz12]

Reminds me of the surprise feat of Saitama, that the villain Crablante he fought and beaten before ever training turned out be a monster that would’ve required an A class hero to beat showing bro was already strong before going bald , Deku and Saitama really both be talking about being regular people before there powers and training always gets me cause like no the hell you weren’t a regular person would’ve been sent to the pearly gates attempting those feats😂 great video can’t wait to see the one on the hunter exams when it comes out

[@ALBERGALARGA_]

15:23 I mean, depends on what you consider intelligent, because he does act smart and a lot of people say he's smart, but he also took 3 seasons to realise that kicks exists

[@koathekid8255]

That was also due to *literal brainwashing* Not intentional brainwashing But brainwashing All might is everything Nazi youth groups say hitler was (don’t take it out of context it’s just a similar level of indoctrination) It’s not that he “realized he had legs” it’s that he stopped comparing himself to allmight (a bit more)

[@drivanradosivic1357]

self confidence issues are also a factor.

[@TheMazongian]

I think that falls under the intelligence vs wisdom divide. He has a lot of book smarts cause of all the notes on quirks n' such as well as his grades, but is also very prone to bad decision making

[@grandmastersubzero1358]

It’s not that he didn’t realize he could kick its just deku been mimicking allmight so much that he wanted to be exactly the same instead of his own hero hence why he told todoroki the fire side is his quirk not endeavor

[@ALBERGALARGA_]

@@grandmastersubzero1358 Ok ☝️🤓, first of all that just seems to me like you're over analyzing it to find a logical explanation because you really liked the series, as I clearly remember (thought of course I might be wrong about this) how he was extremely surprised when he realised he could do a kick, like that wasn't just a normal reaction, dude looked like he just made one of the greatest scientific breakthroughs in history or something. 2. Thas has nothing to do with the discussion here, the kick thing is just the most blatant and understandable example I could think of why people might be confusing him being really smart with him just appearing to be smart because of cliches. If anything, the fact that he spend half the series trying to copy all might without realising that's dumb makes him even less intelligent as a common qualities of smart people are being self conscious, analityc and reflective.

[@zerospeed1498]

All i gotta say is if deku is this strong then how strong is invisible girl since she didn't end up in last place during the quirk assessment test

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

she could probably cheat through it because shes invisible, she could strip naked, and like...walk to the furthest point to increase her points.

[@mediocri5y]

​@@someGuy-kl7cb say here doing the test with her clothes on though like at the pull up where she couldnt even do one of them

[@sarahs.6377]

You can't prove she wasn't the fastest for some of the events...

[@zerospeed1498]

@@sarahs.6377 that's my entire point, if deku is this strong then how strong is invisible girl

[@kanemccarthy1979]

There were off buttons on the robots. She just pressed them

[@hardluckmk.52]

Crazy what happens when a reader loses themself in the moment and forgets one itty bitty detail of logic crazy how it’s overlooked because it’s just “making the moment ___(special/funny)”

[@charliebann5605]

If only Deku had trained prior to meeting All Might which he honestly should have if he had any hope of getting into U.A. quirkless If he did he would have a FAR easier time espcially if was able to use 5% or even more by the time of the USJ or Sports Festival

[@GoWillUrself]

Maybe but then again, all the time he spent studying different quirks also really paid off

[@ragequitgaming2795]

True, but what was stopping him from doing both?

[@drivanradosivic1357]

people both discouraged Izuku and all that bulling makes low self esteem.

[@mikemerchant9242]

Hot take: deku didn't want to become a hero that badly. He's smart enough to figure out a way if he did.

[@ragequitgaming2795]

I mean he cleared an entire race and got first place without using his quirk. He cleared a course faster than people with quirks without his quirk, Held his own against Bakugo with just his IQ and without a quirk in season 1. He just needed to lift and get some support gear and he was gonna be alright. Even characters in the show display superhuman level durability and strength when that was never a part of their quirk. There are literal suits made to combat characters like PRIME ALL FOR ONE. All bro had to was lift and make support gear.

[@Andyisgodcky]

I thought the creator undermined his initial "You can't be a hero without a quirk" thing very early on, so many quirks aren't combat suited. Mandalay behing a hero despite only being able to trick her opponent by talking to their mind so she can.. punch them with her regular strength?

[@koathekid8255]

It wasn’t that he undermined it It’s that that was the point *he wasn’t going to have a quirk* The only reason this show is the way it was is his government saying NO Look at prototype izuku *the fact that everyone can be someone if they tried WAS THE POINT*

[@AllMight6]

It’s mostly because Mandalay quirk is very good for rescues And why become hero instead of police the only difference is hero’s can use their quirks

[@aguywithgames3135]

You missed like, _half_ the point they made when it comes to what makes a hero. What’s the point of being able to fight as a hero if that’s all you can do?

[@kyclerealman]

That doesn't undermine it at all? If anything it only strengthens the idea

[@DaichiOkami]

Mandalay is a support and rescue hero. She knows how to fight but that's just a requirement.

[@user-sb3xj4fd1s]

My head canon if deku didn’t get his quirk he would become like iron man or bat man by built in armor

[@turtle_demigod8201]

Mei Hatsume's test dummy for support gear that can give others power similar to having use of a second or third quirk, or in his case it gives him power on par to one.

[@user-sb3xj4fd1s]

@@turtle_demigod8201 I mean that HE uses some trash to make iron man armor deku is smart enough also I know that makes no sense but it’s anime we can have some weird stuff happen

[@TheTupMan]

Don’t we know EXACTLY how much more bakugos explosions are? From the ball throwing test. At the beginning, before their first fight, he threw like 705 or something then right before the quirk training he threw 713ish. But I guess that doesn’t account for the quirk training itself though…idk. It’s at least more than nothing.

[@ragequitgaming2795]

It’s even crazier considering how Current base Deku could scaling towards those island to country levels of ap/durability simply backscaling off of 5% of the power to disperse literal thunderstorms and blow through the torso of Prime All Might level characters.

[@someguy9083]

solid reminder that pretty much any mainstream anime character being brought into the real world would likely be able to wipe us out entirely within a few hours

[@RubbishBear]

*villain treats deku with the temporary quirk blocking bullet* V:heh, now stand still for this next bullet, punk! *Deku proceeds to dodge bullets and break ribs without one for all*

[@justyouraveragejoe9454]

I'd say that the general human race is quite a bit above our own in this universe. Remember, even with all that physical training, Midoriya came in last in Aizawa's assessment test. There's a chance even lower end students like Hagakure and Ojiro can keep pace with him in a fist fight. There's plenty of other examples of superhuman physical prowess too. When Aizawa was fighting the villains at the USJ, he sent that rock villain flying with one punch. It was noted out loud that the guy had a mutation quirk, so he was built with all that extra strength and durability, yet Aizawa still overpowered him. Then later, during the licensing exams, Toga was able to move fast enough that Izuku couldn't see or react to her anymore, despite his "hypersonic reactions". And even beyond that, despite being faster than bullets, both Nighteye and Overhaul were able to dance around his shoot style attacks like they were nothing. Honestly, in hindsight, All Might was kinda right. A quirkless person may be able to become a hero, but not the kind of hero Midoriya wanted to be. Plus, you take a guy who has superhuman strength, and put him against another guy who has superhuman strength *and* superpowers on top of that strength, it seems fairly reasonable to assume the second guy has a big advantage. If he didn't become the successor of OFA, Midoriya's strategic mindset might have been better suited to forensics and training people to enhance their own abilities. That's basically the lesson Mike Wazowski had to learn in Monsters University, and the lesson Melissa Shield took to heart when she was young.

[@gabrielmachado1247]

You know? This hilarious because this line of Scaling would be useful for Early quirkless Deku,and You could Very Well use One For All To measure Current quirkless Deku at least Durability wise The Deku we see here is a Deku that at best Can Handle 5% of One For All and its not a Perfect control of It,by the Current Manga he can Handle 45% of It,so that Means base Deku Either became 9X more durable,or actually just became 9X Stronger Faster durable Overrall

[@koathekid8255]

That’s exponential It’s not a linear increase in stress (at least it shouldn’t be) The only that would reduce it his his ability to control it so it doesn’t increase stress (probably like a flow or something idk)

[@daring6983]

Counting by fives, since he can anniacially use 5%, the math says 7 times.

[@allhailtheking9127]

and that not taking into the fact at the end of the day One for all is just kaioken at the end of the day so think of all that power but times 100%

[@okariin3834]

Not really? One for all isn't a multiplier on your strenght, but the accumulated strenght of the previous Owner of one for all, you need a strong vessel to contain it but by no means it boosts owner's base power when they say Ofa % or 5% one for all would literally change nothing

[@megaalex5179]

You assume Izuku is always at 5% throughout all those scene, which is probably not true and there's a gradual buildup. But other than that, yeah Izuku, even quirkless, is an absolute beast and absolutely strong. Now he needs to just realize it.

[@microcelltechnicalassistence]

During the First half It isn't 5% but the Second half with fullthing is 5%

[@megaalex5179]

@@microcelltechnicalassistence I'm pretty sure he was at around 7 to 8% in his fight with bakugo after the provisional license exam

[@microcelltechnicalassistence]

@@megaalex5179 maybe, but for a long time he was still on 5%

[@KingKeanuTheFirst]

I wasn't aware that Salad had a bar.

[@sahil_hashmi5741]

Bro forgot Almight rented a crane while on the beach

[@pj_spirit]

I remember watching Heroes Rising and right as Deku's moving to get his rematch with Nine, he does a MASSIVE long jump before jumping again off a cliff. It's only after he jumps off the cliff that he activates OFA

[@Billygaming1447]

I'm glad someone finally makes a video about this I've been waiting for years for someone to finally talk about how strong that you is without his quirk cuz it makes me really angry when people say he's weak even though he's clearly not

[@RanMouri82]

Deku is so darn dedicated, intelligent, and strong, I'm confident he can do whatever he sets out to do from now on, even without a quirk.

[@baconlord2545]

He gonna call in a favor from Melissa and get his own Iron Man suit lol 😅 But I can see that happening…

[@spinoirrex2433]

Unless stated One For All can't be assumed to be a linear otherwise we'd have outliers

[@Dextellor]

that little kendrick potshot was the funniest shit in the video

[@Tyler-si2rj]

this was really well done i never thought of it this way and i gues subconsciously always assumed deku was only this fast and strong because of AFO but he really didnt use it much at all early on

[@Guts240]

I enjoyed your over-analysis.

[@ChosenOneWhatIfs]

I always think of the percents of one for all as the powers, for example, 5% would deku’s normal strength, D, times 2 to the power of 5. So it would be D x 2^5

[@FakeReclaimer]

I enjoyed the video I love the show, the manga, and specifically deku's growth as a hero. But on glaring issue i have with the analysis (not yours but the one you sited) is the weight of the piece of the mech he used in the Sport's Festival. I don't remember anyone FREAKING OUT when he started carrying it (like, "Holy shit he's so strong, how's he carrying that thing") additionally, the wire he's holding on the back of it (and yes that's obviously a wire, there's no reason that would be a strap or something to be held, it's clearly part of the mech's circuitry) seems like a 4gauge or 2gauge... like what's connected to your car battery. Under that much weight, it would snap the wires off of it as he's carrying it (jostling the point where the wires are connected as he runs). Anyway, i'm no physicist or anything, but, based on my personal experiences with electronics and my own weight training journey, that mech armor piece he's carrying couldn't be much more than 100lbs (IF THAT). Which stands to reason... that other strength stuff may be a little off the mark... Thats my opinion, if Horikoshi himself wants to validate all of that somewhere, I will happily admit I was wrong.

[@godpro3189]

I mean your considering that robot to be the same tech we use when its further from thre truth, mha is hundreds of years ahead of us and they have improved the technology a lot so even that wire could be crazy strong, like on spiderman weebs level, plus those robots are made to be tested against people with superpowers, if they had to fight a rumba it wouldnt be much of a test wouldnt it?

[@godpro3189]

I forgot something, no one seems impressed by that because thats not a crazy feat considering mahority of the guys running in the ua race are superhuman as well, only deku is crazy enough to take it and run with it during all of it too.

[@Present_mic_official]

I like the idea of him becoming the police chief instead of a hero.

[@Kalebh2007]

Hey man! Just thought I would say this was a great concept and video! Only thing that I would like to point out is 1 ton is 2000 pounds so technically when u said he’s lifting 2 tons it’s actually approximately 1

[@lushedleshen]

I think you might have gotten your stats on Hafþór wrong. I’m 6’7” and 240lbs, decently athletic but not lean by any means. Got a very slight dad bod because I love food way too much. Dude has WAY more of BOTH muscle AND fat than me and has 2 inches on me. There is no universe where I’m in a higher weight class than a guy who looks like two of me strapped together.

[@jackson3475]

It's anime weight, like how Vegeta (DBZ) and Astolfo (Fate) have the same height and weight. Authors often just eyeball some numbers for characters.

[@TheGreatZamboni666]

You're right. Thor was over 400 pounds for that deadlift.

[@irrespondible]

That... just makes Deku look even stronger, tbh.

[@deamichaelis1]

I always thought OFA only supposedly would show sparks when he is using more power than his body can contain meaning any feat he pulled off with OFA in his system would just be attributed to him using it at an extremely low power level possibly unconsciously, but I guess cleaning that beach before he got OFA at least shows his strength isn't all from OFA.

[@swiftwithoutnumbers]

Why did you think that? It was explained during his internship that he was literally using the power wrong and was only turning it on in the part of his body that he was using it on. It was also explained that he was using it all or nothing because he couldn't control it.

[@deamichaelis1]

@@swiftwithoutnumbers He couldn't control it, precisely! That doesn't mean that on a subconscious level, he wasn't using a fraction of a percent of the power when pushing himself. Nowhere near using it in any true capacity but just enough to give him the boost to pull off some of these feets.

[@swiftwithoutnumbers]

@@deamichaelis1 i doubt it, thats just headcanon because all of the information to prove it correct, proves that its wrong way more consistently.

[@Theamazingsauce1234]

If I remember correctly, All Might was losing hope of deku joining UA the day before he finished the lifting in the beach thing. This means that deku had to carry all of those heavy shit overnight.

[@enderborn6860]

Salad never thought id randomly come across a side channel of yours nice

[@devv197]

Wow i never really noticed how strong Deku is without OFA. Spoilers: This should keep people optimistic for Deku in the manga. Even if he loses the other quirks, the stockpiled strength of OFA + plus his already ridiculous strength could very well have him as strong or stronger than All Might.

[@infinitefray8067]

13:14 I just notice they were using clips with the movie that had the david sheild character and I would like to point out that mylissa shield made deku and special brace that allowed him to use up to 50% of ofa safely and that he was not using 5% most of the movie

[@ghOStDiVision790]

It allowed him to use 50% on the arm that it was on

[@davekisman2763]

It's time for Deku to become just like Batman.

[@Mz.AmayaHyde]

the music at the beginning sounds like You Will Know Our Names

[@gabrielsalahi3656]

Who out here calculated a single metal plate to be 2,000 pounds??? In what world is that one metal plate equal to 4 car engines

[@lukahumar1371]

That plate is like 4 inches thick and as tall and wide as him at his max points, and steel is fucking DENSE. That's how it weighs four car engines.

[@krisdeluxe4417]

In what world? In OUR world

[@gabrielsalahi3656]

@@lukahumar1371 literally not true If we assume that it’s made of steel, is 1 foot wide, 2 inches thick, and 5 feet tall. That still only makes it 86 pounds lol

[@gabrielsalahi3656]

@@krisdeluxe4417 nope

[@Aimai.37]

I need to rewatch MHA, I remember liking it

[@tusantus]

I also remember liking it until the fandom just killed it

[@Aimai.37]

@@tusantus good point, I don't let the weird part of the community/fandom decide whether or not I enjoy something though, otherwise I'd have nothing to like lmao

[@tusantus]

@@Aimai.37 fr we gotta protecc ourselves from fandom nowadays and you could read not too popular manga/manhwa/manhua so there's no fandom to be scared of 😅

[@Aimai.37]

@@tusantus aha true, until they end up getting popular and get inavaded too

[@tusantus]

@@Aimai.37 wanna read straight up garbage at that point?

[@Neeezuko]

He could also work with the heroes designing the most effici efficient support items and analyse heroes up close and give info and strategies that make them stronger

[@m.g.6321]

In MHA Vigilante there's a quirkless vigilante called Knucklecluster which is the mentor of the protagonist and he is strong and badass as hell. Nice analyse and what if bro!

[@moselzag5451]

2:04 scrathing you forgot a c there my dude, scratching.

[@TheSaladBar]

TYPO SPOTTED💔

[@starchildofthesun]

Personally, I'm a follower of the 'Deku should have stayed quirkless' idea and yeah he should have. It would have been about proving All Might and everyone who told him he couldn't be a hero, wrong. And would be about him accepting that others would hate him if he didn't accept ofa.

[@gonzaurra1]

Hi! I came from your vid "What MCs could pass the Hunter X exam" Both vids were great but I have a few points for you to reconsider in this one. First I need to mention that the steel piece of robot Deku was holding doesn't make any sense for it to be that heavy. I check the math and It looks solid but we can't just assume what materials is that robot made of. My argument for this is that in later seasons we see Deku struggling while using 5% Full Cowling to hold (just hold) a 5 ton girder against Gentle Criminal. Also movies ain't cannon so the piercing through metal should not be considered either Discarding those 2 arguments the biggest feat of strength (I could be incorrect) are lifting All Might and the Kei Truck shenanigans... but that Kei truck looks old and decompose so we could assume that the truck no longer had an engine and maybe it was just the carcass (big assumption tho) Moving to the feats of Speed, again, movies ain't canon so the dodging bullet rifles shouldn't be considered for the analysis. And about Todoroki's ice speed. We can't assume that every single time that Todoroki is using his ice powers against Deku he is doing it at top speed. But yeah Mirio is the living proof that in this world you could be insanely strong without a quirk. He defeat Kirishima (while using his quirk) with a single blow. That's all I have to add. Great vid and looking forward for your response

[@MrSilentfire11]

in s5 episode 1 you get to see how terrifyingly fast bakugo is from others perspective on his redirect combo, when he leaps off the car in the distance he is on top of amajiki instantly like 3 frames later with blasting twice to avoid attacks. Its insane. even watching it slowed down on yt its hard fathom what he looks like sometimes when he is moving around. And deku was able to counter that early on, he got hit by it the second time but still. even being able to do anything about it is crazy.

[@trentonrush11]

I didn't believe the steel plate calc so I did it on my own and got that the plate weight was 1544.65 pounds. This put trust on Dekus hight was right in the post and that the depth of the plate was right. But still if we say some guessamations where used it is still an amazing feat.

[@E54OW]

i mean ive always thought that OFA has a passive ability of increasing base strengh of the user, for example early all might vs late, Deku shows it aswell pre OFA and after he gets it, what he is able to handle when not actually using the quirk

[@chelspapaya43]

r u in the same tags in ao3 as me? Quirkless deku is such a fun concept

[@blueblurr4526]

Reading Quirkless Villian Deku fanfics is something which I personally find to be entertaining, the only issue is finding ones that are well written and have no ships

[@MindlessWarlok]

The author said in an interview if im not mistaken he WAS going to be quickless the whole show originally

[@midoriya-shonen]

My theory as to why BNHA people in general have increased strength and durability is because of quirk gene mixing. Think of people like Tokoyami (his bird head), Mina (her horns) and even Deku himself (green hair). There are tons of physical traits that get passed down through generations that must be related to an ancestor's quirk even though the person in question has a different quirk. Realistically, this wouldn't only apply to traits we can see, but other things about their bodies' makeups as well, like physical abilities. So it makes total sense why someone in the bnha-verse would have increased physical abilities.

[@zaritcor1668]

As a math guy, i love the numbers and calculations you've come up with. But... I have a question: the robot part, the beam, etc did they say these materials are steel? I say that because it is a variable that daffodil changes the outcome. I don't recall they ever calling it steel, but it's been a hot minute😅 Thanks for the vid! Incredibly entertaining!

[@SamElZombie]

it is importatant to note that the metal sheet that deku picked up is in no way that heavy, we see literal childs destroy machines made of it with extreme ease, so it's prob some kind of weaker metal or some kind of alloy.

[@Freakmaster480]

When looking at sand another factor you could bring up is muscle recruitment. Dr. Mike Israetel often speaks about how instability limits your bodies ability to fully exert itself.

[@soundrogue4472]

4:23 from what I found out recently; having wider feet (which Deku doesn't have) helps with dealing with surfaces like sand.

[@beepbooper5201]

You should make a video of how strong he would be quirkless and using tools to help him fight bro would be invincible

[@Skyler3253]

I honestly never heard you swearing because I usually watch your what-ifs! 😂

[@WarriorOfVale]

we'll find out real soon

[@SkyPopePhoenix]

Q: regarding todoroki's ice, is it mach 2? the wind guy from shiketsu is faster (shown in a flashback), and... even some of the fastest wind's on earth can't move that fast

[@nateharder2286]

Deku is the anime equivalent of Captain America. Also Deku would make a great cop or detective.

[@powdereyes2210]

there is one issue with the metal calculation though which is... who knows what the metal is actually made of, for all we know it could be some light weight metal so that robots would move better

[@isfett]

Nice video! At around 14:38 you say he has a supersonic reaction speed, but it's usually called reaction time, measured in milliseconds. What does a reaction speed of mach 2.9 mean?

[@strider_hiryu850]

by the way, one way to calculate the effect the sand had on the lift would be to take something like: the heaviest barbell you own, walk around your room or house, then load it into your car, drive to your nearest beach, and walk with it for some distance. um, in terms of distance and time, we can assume All Might pushed Deku to continue going 'till exhaustion. so if you want, that's how far you can go. and record the distances traveled & time it took 'till you reached exhaustion. going to exhaustion is a tried & tested method that produces results. and All Might is the kinda guy that would push his student(s) to work this hard; correct me if i'm wrong. but that is just what i have gleam from my limited knowledge of the series. now, if he never received All Might's quirk, let's say he tricked him. or not exactly "trick", but just decided to hold off on giving Deku his power. until he was, say, an adult. or even 17, as a graduation present for high school. Deku would've continued to train to become a hero. in fact, i think he probably **would've** become a hero. just, a Quirkless hero. maybe to compensate, his suit would've had tech enhancements built in? nothing crazy. think modern Spider-Man, not Iron Man. just enough to give him that extra edge. by the time he received his Quirk from All Might, he would've been pretty damn strong already, and a competent hero. even without it. he wouldn't have as much experience with it as canon Deku, obviously. but would've been able to access more of it's power from the start. overall, i think this version of Deku would've been stronger, and possibly a better Hero too!

[@rodjacksonx]

How did you calculate the weight of Deku's metal shield without making some presumption about how thick it was? Or even presuming that it has to be normal, commercial-alloy solid metal in the first place?

[@bluegate4630]

i feel like maybe ofa is working in the background no matter what its not an on or off quirk like aizawa we saw allmight changing forms but that's because of a severe injury but ofa works on dekus body all the time making him stronger the quirk itself has insane potential but it hurts the users body if he's not used to it