How Strong is the Akatsuki?

[@bonafidethadonofficial7680]

This is a well needed discussion in the Naruto fandom

[@attackonyugioh92]

No typed message can explain how epic this is

[@Fictionist10101]

If that happened the series would've ended too soon

[@JuubiTaz]

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[@momotheone9700]

​@@JuubiTazidk i still think that friendly fire is a legitimate argument, it just sounds to me your talking about the akatisuki as a rogue organization overall not just a fighting group, and it seems your giving them the benefit of prep time because ofcourse even hashirama would lose to the akatisuki is they knew everything about him, and he knows next to nothing about them, its 10 vs 1, your telling me if someone like minato had proper intel on the akatisuki members knows how they fight and all and is given time to prepare for them just as they are for him, your telling me minato would not stand a chance? I just dont buy it, i know for a fact that if even like kcm2 naruto had like intel and time to prepare for them as they are for him, he would stand a chance too, just even the battle field with clones that can use kurama chakra mode and avatars. if minato hits kakuzu or hidan and see they dont die right away, hes gonna mark them, as a matter of fact hes gonna attack first, their gonna counter here or there minato's strikes, they are gonna fight him off easily at first, but they are not gonna realize that their marked right away and then they are gonna serve as his markers, hes gonna be able to teleport to them or teleport them away or even use clones to do so and as such cant work together, obito had a sharingan and a better teleportation technique and still caught one to the back, itachi is not gonna have an easy time tryna genjutsu dude, kcm2 naruto as i said can even out the battlefield with clones of equal speed strength and abilities only lacking durability , danger sensing and all, ems sasuke is depending on if its after or before kabuto fight, because during kabuto fight itachi is superior to sasuke, but itachi was also compelled by koto to plug a controller up his ass and do whatever it takes to win, he wont resort to those tactics with a numerical advantage of 10 to 1, so a sick itachi would end up losing to sasuke, hes atleast killing like a lot of them, and while i think the akatisuki would win due to advantages in numbers, they are not leaving without a few of their members dead, if hashirama knows about each akatisuki members abilities and is prepared to face them, hed beat all of them as a unit

[@dr.uchihaplays]

Hey man, love your videos, you’re such an underrated Naruto content creator

[@JuubiTaz]

someday we'll make it ❤

[@Govanna348]

Finally someone actually agreed the akatsuki would destroy the 5 kage people just like to lean to other KZbinrs because of bigger fan base

[@JuubiTaz]

the 5 Kage would get wrecked by the Akatsuki

[@lokkiirl4793]

I mean Obito by himself was enough to mobilize the entire world and then theres Itachi and Pain who are like on par with him

[@ZaphielSahaquielSariel]

Good one bro Maybe a vid about in-lore/in-world financial or economic realism. Like would this system of countries with ninja villages realistically be able to sustain itself or something, don't know. Keep em coming

[@JuubiTaz]

I briefly run over it in my Akatsuki retcon video, but I could make a more detailed one tbh. Thanks for the suggestion

[@سلمانقتل]

Good video the only reason they exist did jumping people The goats of jumping

[@jamesd1586]

Yea if the akatsuki werent divided into teams of two they would be a PROBLEM lol the shinobi alliance probably would have had to assemble way sooner

[@JuubiTaz]

^^100% agreed

[@senjuuzima891]

I do think the rinnegan amps you to an unquantifiable amount. Especially since obito couldn't handle both of them. Hashirama, madara, kcm 2 naruto(obito fight), and EMS sasuke(obito fight) win more times than not imo. Also fights that happened in the beginning of the anime like diedara vs gaara wouldn't go as well as before seeing as gaara has gotten quite a bit stronger. This was a great video topic.

[@JuubiTaz]

Idk, there was nothing to imply that possessing the Rinnegan amped up someone's base speed & strengths. We know that it amps them in the abilities it provides & allows one to master all 5 changes in Chakra nature. As for Gaara-Deidara, ur right Gaara does get much stronger in the war, but one could argue that Deidara wasn't going all out since he was low on clay, couldn't kill Gaara (since they gotta capture the jinchuriki alive), & didn't use his stronger hax. tho I think they're both relative. Plus what I meant was that the combined effort of Sasori & Deidara will snatch the w, Glad you enjoyed the video bro!

[@AidenB1010]

bro said ems sasuke solos the akatsuki💀he was relative just to itachi, add in obito and pain and they destroy him without even the help of monsters like kisame, sasoris poison, deidaras attack power, konans bombs, ems sasuke stands no chance against the entire akatsuki. and yes that extends to kcm 2 naruto since they were in sone ways relative

[@jiero3253]

​@@AidenB1010he's talking about the version of Sasuke that had adapted and was fighting along side Naruto. Not the fresh version that Faught kabuto. Sasuke and Naruto get multiple tiers stronger over the course of the war arc

[@trevionhenderson5721]

Imagine if Oro gave them all curse marks

[@JuubiTaz]

Imagine if every Akatsuki member had Hashirama calls, it'd be over for everyone then

[@Foxes4035]

You could also add Taka (against Killer Bee) into the mix they were part of the Akatsuki after all and if Sasuke is gonna die Karin is going to have a HUGE mental amp just like in the war arc.

[@JuubiTaz]

Lol, I already thought that giving them Orochimaru was too much, so to add Taka too.. then only EOS Naruto/Sasuke/Madara/Hashirama (maybe) would stand a chance, but my point is they were already too stacked before

[@n8298906]

I would rather think about which 13 characters can go up against each Akasuki member plus Madara tournament-style

[@samina99]

The ones who I can confidently say SOLO the Akatsuki are Madara (edo, revived, or 10 tails) Hashirama (prime) 6 paths, Naruto 6 paths, Sasuke Hagoromo Otsutsuki Kaguya Otsutsuki Everyone else gets curbstomped

[@Wasnt-1]

but obito who has the sword of nunoboko and zetsu who already summoned kaguya would like to have some talk

[@ashockmizer914]

The Akatsuki we're like the Rule of Two of the Sith Order

[@Wasnt-1]

1. six path obito uchiha (divine sword/truth seeking orbs + 10 tailed beast/divine tree) 2. 100,000+ white zetsu army & black zetsu (kaguya inject summoning) 3. edo tensei nagato uzumaki (8 tailed beast chakra) 4. edo tensei itachi uchiha 5. samehada fused kisame hoshigaki (8 tailed beast chakra) 6. konan (600 billion paper bombs) 7. edo tensei deidara 8. edo tensei kakuzu (5 hearts) 9. puppet sasori 10. juzo biwa 11. hidan 12. unnamed partner of kakuzu

[@ajmainfahim8569]

They were so damn strong our protagonists had to fight 2 or 1 at a time.

[@doctorpest054]

Interesting, but I see it more in a Hypothetical that all the Akatsuki Cooperate and Work as a Team, because the only ones who attack as a Whole are only Hidan and Kakuzu, the rest go more separately like Deidara and Sasori, or are more support as is the case of Konan with Pain, add to that that some of them due to their clashing personalities would have many problems working as a Team, example Kakuzu who is someone who attacks indiscriminately regardless of whether it is an Enemy or an Ally, causing Friendly Damage due to mere Negligence, and I also see Deidara and Sasori doing something similar to attack regardless of the back even if there is a partner. I see that people like Minato seeing their lack of teamwork would exploit that part so that in the end some Akatsuki attack each other, and in the end they are more focused on fighting with the other, causing them to be caught off guard for not paying attention and Goodbye... And another problem is the Esteem and Resistance of the Team, the most resistant being Nagato, Kisame, Obito and Kakuzu, the rest I see them with very standard Amounts of Chakra like Sasori, Deidara and Konan, very low Energy Reserves and Little Stamina like Itachi, or flat out Hidan who only has the Blood Curse Jutsu. As I see Akatsuki being very cooperative with each other if they would be highly fearsome and dangerous, but if not in the end some duos start to argue with each other calling each other useless or worst case start fighting each other makes their Dangerousness drop a lot, which eye is still very strong, but people like Minato, Tobirama, Kakashi of the War, Naruto Link Mode Kurama that I managed to notice the little cooperation will make the Akatsuki defeat themselves, and not to mention that in long fights only Nagato, Obito, Kisame, Kakuzu and maybe Sasori and Hidan but more for their forms of Immortality are the ones who last the longest, since the rest would not last long in very long battles, and the aforementioned Sasori and Hidan, the first one managing to hit his weak point is out, and the other being an idiot who launches himself without thinking makes him an easy target and despite not dying without it they could incapacitate if Kakuzu does not come to help him.

[@JuubiTaz]

I mean, the video is tackling a hypothetical scenario where they all fight together and do their best to not commit friendly fire, but I do acknowledge that it's kinda out of character, and that most members fight solo for a reason

[@jamesd1586]

Love, keep it uo

[@shadowbladesabre1945]

The Akatsuki fighting as a team would be incredibly hard to beat. Their biggest issue is I can't see their teamwork being that good. Their fighting styles and personalities clash too much for them to not accidentally get in each other's way. Examples: people like Deidara, Kisame, Pain and Itachi can't use their stronger attacks without hitting each other, and as they're not at all used to fighting together, they could easily hit each other by accident (especially Deidara). Sasori's puppets could accidentally poison an ally or more likely get destroyed, so no 100 Puppets. Kakuzu is well known for killing his teammates, so he's liable to kill an ally. If they can fight well together, very few people could beat them. Unfortunately, they have zero experience fighting as a big group, so I could see someone like Minato possibly snagging a win through that. Maybe.

[@JuubiTaz]

yeah ur right, realistically they don't have great teamwork, which is why members usually fought solo

[@skullhammersmash3293]

If all 10 Akatsuki members were alive at the end battle of Naruto, the five great nations most likely would not have succeeded.

[@leek5682]

If the Akatsuki had just packed up any individual from team 7 by sending more than 2 members after them, then Obito and Madara would've easily won the war.

[@JuubiTaz]

that's true, but plot would have never allowed for that

[@leek5682]

@@JuubiTaz I wouldn't have minded some alternate timeline stories where the ninja alliance just got destroyed as opposed to seasons worth of filler

[@dan5072]

Pain defeated Konoha without Guy. Pretty sure he wouldve sacrificed himself and go all out 8 gates, had he been there

[@drowning.macaco]

Tobirama vs the akatsuki would be like madara vs the 4th division, literally scared ems sasuke as edo tensei with his FINGER who is stronger than itachi who is like top 3 in the akatsuki, y’all can give me ur ds i’ll happily debate any of you even you jubi taz

[@JuubiTaz]

lol Tobirama would get DECIMATED by the Akatsuki, Obito alone could solo him imo. That finger feat alone isn't enough to say that scales above EMS Sasuke, and that Sasuke was definitely NOT stronger than Itachi. That Sasuke had to get saved by Itachi countless times in their fight against Sage Kabuto, and was taking the lead, so nothing implies that he was above Itachi. Sasuke only arguably surpasses Itachi during the Juubito fight when his susanoo developed to be near perfect, and even then, he'd have surpassed tobirama too. Tobirama vs Pain/Itachi is debatable, and most would agree that Obito is above Tobirama, so you'd have to wank him to a crazy extent to believe he could take on the entire Akatsuki (including Pain, Itachi AND Obito) at the same time. Tobirama got killed by the Kinkaku unit, so he's just not that guy. I dont think I need to prove why the Akatsuki is just so much more powerful than the Kinkaku Unit. There's just no way you can argue that Tobirama can defeat the Akatsuki, his strongest attack (TPB) is comparable to/weaker than Konan's sea of Paperbombs, and she's just a middle tier akatsuki member. The "speedblitz" arguments wont work since like I mentioned in the video, half the group can heal the damage, Plus I believe Obito can phase through the blitz attempt (he was fast enough to react to KCM2 Naruto multiple times). Sorry bro, but Tobirama is just NOT that guy.

[@12tailschinchuriki41]

@@JuubiTaznot to mention itachi was still holding back not to kill Kabuto because of edo tensei like we all know itachi got the means to do so 😂

[@drowning.macaco]

@@JuubiTaz give me your discord and we can have a discussion i hate debating on youtube

[@brandanwhiteman3644]

i think if minato could blitz and solo the entire akatsuki, he'd probably have instantly blitzed the much younger and less experienced Obito when he attacked with the ninetails. Just because Minato won the exchange, does not mean he outscales massively.

[@JuubiTaz]

I completely agree with ya

[@tlomac]

If they taught Minato with obito’s prior knowledge he gets one shot due to the seal on him

[@Wasnt-1]

when talking about akatsuki they're automatically thinking that zetsu is the weakest when the dude can literally no clip into earth and vegetations even in base form not to mention that he cqn produce unlimited amount of white zetsu army and he can also summon kaguya anytime he wants so zetsu is actually nowhere near the weakest

[@JuubiTaz]

he can't just summon Kaguya "anytime" he wants lol... but I still see ur point, Zetsu is stronger than people give him credit

[@titanicisshit1647]

whats the soundtrack in 9:30 pls?

[@JuubiTaz]

it's called the "Akatsuki theme"

[@titanicisshit1647]

@@JuubiTaz thank you !

[@dylanbarrett508]

i think kcm2 sage mode naruto could probably solo the akatsuki if u dont include obito (by akatsuki i mean them as seen at the start of shippuden so no orochimaru or taka) Keep in mind this version of naruto would have some solid intel on multiple member of the akatsuki, some examples are knowing all of pains moveset and knowing to close his eyes and rely on sage mode sensing to avoid itachi's genjutsu. Plus a much weaker version of naruto that being kcm1 could create like 12 clones that were capable of contending with and beating kage level edo tensei so he could turn the fight into 1v1s and rapidly take out weaker members like hidan to clone jump stronger members.

[@JuubiTaz]

That's a fair take, I think that if you take Obito out then the scale tips in Naruto's favour, but the Akatsuki do still have wincons against this Naruto

[@ashockmizer914]

Marada did won the Final stage of the Battle Butt Still Lost in the 4Th Ninja War thanks to kaygua.

[@JuubiTaz]

*lost to plot

[@KingKarabo]

Bra end of series Naruto would get packed but nagato with the fucking Getto statue

[@JuubiTaz]

end of series Naruto was tanking 10 tails bijudama & fighting Kaguya directly, what's the gedo statue gonna do?

[@momotheone9700]

Plus heres the thing too with the akatisuki and one if the reasons why the team didn't just make one big team and not split up, fact of the matter is the akatisuki teamwork is not gonna be as effective with all 10 members together than if they were in 2 man cells where each complemented the others powers, let me explain, konan and deidara would damn near kill all of the akatisuki using their best moves explosives, sasori is using poisons that lady chiyo had no clue how to fix, kisame water domb damn near drowns everyone and suspenses everyone in mid air making them useless, chibaku tensei bodies everyone on sight including the akatisuki members and itachi is nice, but if amaterasu spreads, team is less flexible evcept for pain. if they go all out they risk killing each other, if they hold back for teamwork, they become weaker since their best moves cannot be utilize, its like their tripping over their own feet, even naruto shows you not too much shinobi can be in one group, and i think thats why pain placed them in groups of 2, kakuzu is allowed to go all out since hidan is immortal, kisame can destroy everything because itachi amaterasu/susanoo defense is superb and can counter kisame water, so itachi would not be harmed by kisame crashing out, pain are literally durable puppets that konan can just wrap and pain can just remove chakra from, plus konan can fly meaning pain gets his freedom, sasori is also a human puppet and deidara can control his bombs using clay altering size, and we dont have to get into how obito and zetsu complements each other in a 2 man unit, if all 10 were to fight together theres no balance no real cohesion, thags why i think if the shinobi is great enough, not stronger than them but strong enough and relatively sharp enough to pick up on these small weakness, they could win, shinobi like minato comes to mind, kcm2 naruto, ems sasuke, make fun of tobirama but i think someone like tobirama is definitely gonna take a few of them out because of that fact though a bad track record (20 "elite" shinobi😂😂), sage kabuto, people that have jutsu that can tactically evade certain maneuvers and stays one step above the akatisuki all 10 as a group, to me its few and far between but there are some shinobi that can atleast kill off most of them that are below hashirama and madara still. I think a kcm2 naruto with the clones one clone of kcm1 being able to tackle the 3rd raikage, minato teleporting a ninetails bijuu dama teleporting the full ninetails, kabuto manipulating the earth underneath their feat white screan attacks messing with the senses, tobirama having ftg also being brilliant mind, ems sasuke kagetsuchi susanoo and ems literally can see all the flaws, on top of which in one way or another these characters are rediculous in one attribute or another, naruto and minato is fast as fuck, naruto is durable and has chakra for days kabuto being cracked and having most overpowered sensing, then sasuke having the most crazy defense outside of itachi susanoo,kurama avatsr and flying thundergod, so with raw stats overpowered in one area, tactical awareness and just a busted jutsu, lets me think theres a few that can even atleast kill most of the akatisuki in one fight by themselves, i advocate minato being able to do it, kcm2 naruto etc. Plus original 10 members mean no obito as well since he only came in after sasori died and orochimaru left, so no kamui ig.

[@lewis1423]

i always though the akatsuki having so many kage level fighters was wild. like post Konoha crush the leaf had one, maybe, kage level person in danzo ( kakashi is high johnin at best) it always felt like there just were not that many ninja in general, so in turn very few who were capable of being kage, but feels weird when the shinobi alliance has 50-100000 people but only like 10 kaga level fighters in it, it kinda implies that reaching that level mean you die ( some how even though they are so strong they could take a village solo) or you leave the village.

[@JuubiTaz]

I mean there's Guy & Jiraiya, but yeah, its not a coincidence, its the duty of the Kage to die protecting the village, that's why most that reach that level die

[@macalloway1]

This is stupid obito plus any kage level character is unbeatable against any one non six paths character. They may not be able to beat every individual character but they wont lose (kakashi could counter kamui but he cant use his frequently enough to matter against multiple enemies)He really has no reason to make himself tangible if he feels like you can teleport. To me obito is one 9f those characters that a data book needs to nerf or something because hes crazy imbalaced. He really didnt needs to learn any jutsu if he kept both eyes

[@JuubiTaz]

I agree bro, some ppl just wank the Hokage to a disgusting extent. Only Hashirama could potentially solo, and even then what's he gonna do against Kamui?

[@thatguy5494]

Superman got this

[@ashockmizer914]

Hopeful him and Goku

[@thedragonerebus2974]

Nobody can solo them

[@Tyln93]

-Kaguya -Hagoromo -Hashirama -Madara

[@MCCIOARA]

idk bro even akamaru can solo the akatsuki

[@JuubiTaz]

lol

[@diamantemrobinson]

You don't have to highball Madara or Hashirama they out right solo. Deity gates alone solo. His statute defeated Madara’s perfect Susanoo which solos them.

[@trell_a]

You’re pushing lol… 6paths Tier Characters are not needed to solo the Akatsuki. - KCM Minato - Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto - Edo Madara - Edo Hashirama - 8th Gate Guy - Peak EMS Sasuke(Maybe) There’s no need to highball Madara and Hashirama lol, they’d stomp as Edo’s. And you can make an argument for Rinnegan Obito. And yes, the rinnegan does physically amp you, and he had Madara’s rinnegan, which was previously an EMS, so his perception would have an increase, and Obito literally states that the rinnegan provides him with such a crazy boost in chakra… Your arguments for team work are flawed btw. Obito’s kamui doesn’t work how you think it does I actually think War Arc Ohnoki would blitz the Paths of Pain. And btw… idk if you think Revived Sage Madara is stronger than EMS Madara, but he’s not. it’s literally stated. Madara Ranking goes… 1) Juubidara 2) EMS Madara(Final Valley) 3) Revived Madara(Sage Mode + Rinnegan) 4) Edo Madara

[@boilingman972]

The akatsuki stomp

[@trell_a]

@@boilingman972The Akatsuki as a whole scales to like 10-Tails Arc KCM2.

[@JuubiTaz]

The thing about the 6 paths of Pain is that they have shared vision, so it's super easy for them to preemptively predict attacks, that's why I dont think he could blitz them easily Also there's nothing that states that the Rinnegan physically amps you, Obito said that the rinnegan's ocular powers and chakra were too great, so maybe he gets a chakra boost, but I still dont think OM Obito is too inferior to him (excluding the 6 jinchuriki obv). Also the EMS is the same as the MS except that you dont go blind, u can spam the MS abilities & your susanoo evolves. Obito already spams his MS & he doesn't even have a susanoo, so the EMS provides him with no boost (its never stated anywhere that EMS has enhanced perception over MS) Also what part of my teamwork arguments are "flawed" exactly? since you said "Obito's kamui doesn't work how you think", I'll assume you're saying my "Obito can teleport members away" argument is flawed?? because news flash, Obito's Kamui works exactly the way I think it does. He literally saved sasuke by storing him & Karin inside the dimension in 5KS. As for revived Madara, I think there's a decent argument to be made for him being above EMS Madara. It's NOT "literally" stated anywhere that EMS Madara was above revived Madara. I know you'll probably say "HaShIrAmA sAiD gAiNiNg hIs FoRmEr StReNgTh", which implies that he's still below EMS Madara, but that was before he got his rinnegan. Let's not forget how broken limbo is. Final valley Madara's strongest asset was the nine tails, this Madara was able to one shot the nine tails plus 8 other biju.

[@trell_a]

@@JuubiTaz 1) I don’t know who you’re referring to as “he”, but pretty much everyone that I listed is faster than anyone in the Akatsuki… Jiraiya was able to combat the Paths of Pain despite their linked-vision, and Naruto was actually able to blitz a ton of em with his jutsu, up until the final 2, being Tendo and the Preda Path. 2) Obito stated that the Rinnegan’s POWERFUL chakra was overwhelming him, this could be referring to his mental-state, tho, since we know there’s physical and mental chakra’s. Never the less, if the rinnegan is stated to provide a POWERFUL/Potent chakra, like Madara has, or a LARGE AMOUNT of chakra, then yes, it’d provide him with a boost in strength… Since it’s been established that your attack potency is determined through your chakra potency and chakra CONTROL, and not just the amount of chakra that you posses… This is even supported thru something like Madara and Hashirama’s rivalry. Madara does not have as much chakra has Hashirama, yet he’s able to combat him to a stalemate, and only really loses because of Hashirama’s healing ability. This makes sense since the Senju are known for physicality, because of inheriting Ashura’s body, while the Uchiha are known for a strong mental-chakra, via the Sharingan, through Indra. Obito states this himself actually, so yes Obito gets a boost in AP… and the Rinnegan does provide a boost in perception, though probably not as much as the EMS. 3) So, yes. Rinnegan Obito is above Orange Mask Obito, though he never uses the rinnegan abilities, he’s still amped by the chakra provided. 4) You’re assuming that Obito can teleport all of the team away before whoever their oponent is blitzes them. 5) Madara says when he’s pulling the Bijuu into the Geddo Statue, that it’s taking very long, but he can’t expect much with his current strength… which is in reference to his peak strength at the Final Valley. Which means One-Eyed + Hashirama-Sage Mode Madara is weaker than EMS Madara, and I have plenty of reasons for why this can be. I’ll lowkey discuss this on discord with you.

[@momotheone9700]

I use to say minato could stomp them or beat them in base, im not saying that anymore, but look, outside of all the six paths high tier jinchuriki madara hashirama those guys, out of any non six paths non jinchuriki of 8 or 9 tails no reincarnation, just normal ninjas right, all im saying the regular ninja with the best shot to me of even surviving the akatisuki as a group to me, it would be minato, thats all im saying. You might think its wank but if you look at it, really isn't a wank. Minato has the best shot he literally looked at obito and the ninetails and thought he could do something, im just saying like 9tails and obito is an awesome duo if i ever heard one, idk the way minato handled that situation, i just think a lot of the akatisuki members would be a synch, tbh they would have to have prep time to hope to defeat him if hes tryna kill them, if they just pull up on him and dont know about his ability, a lot of them are gonna fall, im telling you if i dont have faith in tobirama or hiruzen, minato is a wildcard im willing to pull its all depends are you giving minato and the akatisuki time to prep or no, is the akatisuki prepping and minato goes in blind, or is both not gonna know, bjt to me im not saying is a high chance but if a non hashirama/madara six paths character i would say has a shot, its him(minato)