How Sudan’s War Could Split the Country (Again)

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The ongoing conflict between the Sudanese Armed Forces and the Rapid Support Forces in Sudan seems to see no end. In this video, we examine why peace seems elusive, the potential for Sudan to split once again, as well as how the situation, despite intermittent ceasefires, remains dire with staggering humanitarian tolls.
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2 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Su...
3 - www.theguardian.com/world/202...
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5 - • What’s happening in Su...
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9 - www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6...
00:00 - Introduction
00:50 - Context
04:05 - Why Peace Looks Unlikely
06:32 - Why Sudan Could Split (again)
08:36 - Sponsored Content

[@felmula]

Quick correction: African tribes in west Sudan are Muslim, not Christian. So the Darfur conflict is solely ethnic, not religious. Which of course doesn’t make it better in any type of way

[@Goatedmask]

“Well actually 🤓☝️” like damn it’s a war any reason is bad numb nuts

[@ivangordienko8081]

​@@Goatedmaskmy argument when someone comments "☝️🤓": 💥💀

[@Goatedmask]

@@ivangordienko8081 lol I respect that

[@drayle71]

my bet would be whoever wrote the script looked up the religious make up of south sudan which from report by international bodies says is mostly christain and assumed that it was the same in darfur.

[@Gardstyle35]

its not the savage religion of islam thats responsible just savage tribes...

[@GustavSvard]

Darfur might be just one of Sudan's regions, but it is BIG. Sudan is still a huge country, even after South Sudan broke away. So, how big is Darfur? It is roughly the same size (and shape), and also has about the same size population, as Sweden.

[@thepatriarchy819]

Just imagine if Africa had proper nationalism like we did here in Europe. 😅

[@DrShocktopus]

@@thepatriarchy819 well they can't because the ethnicities are split between different countries due to post colonialism. I mean thats the reason why we have not one, but TWO countries called Congo. The best comparison I can make in European terms is like the Polish in the 1880s-1918s, their ethnicities were split and lived in Germany, Russia and Austria-Hungary.

[@eldios831]

Am sure you are not American....you have a good grip on geography😂😂😂

[@dereklush9399]

Yeah but Sweden is a tiny country

[@dereklush9399]

​@@DrShocktopusobviously two different ethnicities can never be expected to live in the same country together

[@filipe5722]

Darfur should have been allowed to secede already. It's ridiculous how it remained under Arabic Sudan without a choice in referendum, even after they suffered a brutal genocide.

[@stadtrepublikmulhausen4121]

I don't think there are much people left to vote for it and Sudan is in the middle of a conflict. No referundum is possible currently.

[@redsky6630]

People from Darfur are Muslim and do speak Arabic. The only problem is that the RSF are targeting their ethnicity.

[@filipe5722]

@@redsky6630 They might be Muslim, but they are not Arabic. Being target for their ethnicity is a very big problem.

[@redsky6630]

@@filipe5722 They do speak Sudanese Arabic, the only difference is their ethnicity. Some are African and some are Arab. RSF targets those with African origin

[@user-lz5dz1qx2q]

@filipe5722 And this why Sudanese army fight RSF

[@curtisdaniel9294]

I know it's a serious topic, but the outtakes of Jack trying to figure out the pronunciations is 😂❤😊🎉

[@joelarnold2394]

It would be funny, if they weren't constantly f-ing them up still...

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

@@joelarnold2394 it's really a non issue though

[@bobisstilllost8959]

And after all these takes, the Arabic spelling for Hameti was still wrong too🤣 it was funny to hear and watch😁

[@joelarnold2394]

@@delfinenteddyson9865 The content of these videos is (usually) very good. But that still doesn't excuse the many spelling mistakes, getting words/numbers/names mixed up, basic editing errors etc that seem to happen ALL THE TIME. It's just sloppy and makes them appear unprofessional - it really doesn't take that much time and effort to get these basic things right when you have already invested so much time doing a video. If they want to be taken seriously outside of KZbin, they really do need to sort this kind of stuff out and start taking it more seriously.

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

@@joelarnold2394 sure, it's certainly better if it's clean. I don't know how many they are though. Because proof-reading is time consuming, and I am sure they are already doing that. I know people who paid for proof-reading and there where still mistakes in it afterwards.

[@sebastianwrites]

"Killing civilian soldiers...?" You mean "civilians?"

[@Napoleonpilled]

Hey probably means militia

[@TDaybreaker]

​@@roselipton2113this channel overall has a huge problem w script and video titles

[@mrhoneycutter]

Honestly Sudan is such a shitshow at this point it might be better to dissolve the country and split Sudan into 2-3 nation states based on regional demographics, thus starting over from scratch. Those poor people have been through enough and the constant clashing of militias and ethnic groups won’t allow for any stability.

[@dejannincic9671]

They will just fight each other again for a diferent reason

[@Admiral-General_Aladeen]

Can't wait for the 3 countries to fight each other afterwards

[@mnm5165]

So essentially returning Sudan to its pre-colonial state. I’m all for it. Their borders never made any sense anyway

[@khanhnguyen-tt3ff]

That would apply to almost all nation in africa.

[@gillsejusbates6938]

sounds like its time for the whites to take over

[@gp-1542]

It’s honestly depressing how every time I hear about Sudan it’s somehow getting worse

[@salihalash4111]

Its Africa super power

[@Neqtunezz]

@@salihalash4111 Not really, Sudan is just war and coups (and also some genocide)

[@phoebus86]

It's interesting how something that Vice covered over a decade ago is still happening now.

[@blank1778]

It will never end in Africa. Tribal mindsets along with caring about just themselves and not the people are what setting Africa back. SA WAS a great example of what Africa could’ve been😂

[@chillin5703]

​@@blank1778SA was never not a horrid cess

[@Remake5182]

@@blank1778 You mean an apartheid state?

[@Darkcamera45]

@@blank1778no no no modern day rawanda is a great example of what Africa should be

[@Darkcamera45]

@@chillin5703​​⁠no no no modern day rawanda is a great example of what Africa should be

[@demeterruinedmylife3199]

What happened and still happening in Dafur seems to be a textbook example of internal colonialism. Without devolving to giving hot takes about secede or not, I hope people in Dafur can have a better future. By the way, the outtakes are really funny.

[@thescholarofpain]

People always seem to forget that the Arabs are the original colonizers of Africa and have been expanding and ethnic cleansing in the area for generations...

[@second2none914]

Sudan as an modern entity was created by Egypt in the early 1800s when the Egyptians attempted to colonise Africa. They occupied the Nile up to Ethiopia then lost and got colonised themselves by the British. At that point Sudan became an Anglo-Egyptian condominium. The British empire eventually declines. Egypt gains its independence, Sudan gains their later with all the territories that Egypt conquered in the 1800s (ie up to Ethiopia). Various peoples of Sudan began to fight for their independence. Khartoum fought to keep those people under it’s thumb. This goes on for a few decades and devolves into various genocides. Around this time osama bin Ladin was living in Sudan and starts attacking the USA ending with 9/11. Sudan depots bin Ladin to Afghanistan but this still draws the ire of the Americans who use their global influence to spilt Sudan in two while they were busy invading Iraq, Afghanistan etc. This leads to South Sudan achieving its independence after 200 years of occupation first by the Egyptian, then British, then Anglo-Egyptians, then Sudanese. But the American did not really care about or understand Sudan so they peaced out when they split South Sudan from the north but in reality there are other regions of Sudan that exist in the same situation as South Sudan and the quintessential example is Darfur. Darfur is a historic African Country that first dates back to the Daju kingdom that dates back to the 12 century.

[@SC-jq9og]

"internal colonisation" I get what you mean, but this is a retarded concept. It's like if we said France was "internally colonising" Algeria because it was within their borders.

[@asternoah5534]

@@second2none914 Darfur is a historic African Country but Sudan was created by Egypt in the early 1800s? So the Sennar/Funj kingdom never existed?

[@andersoncooper9577]

@@second2none914 Sudan (Nubia) is more ancient than anything in Darfur. The Daju kingdom was a small chunk of Darfur and was established by Northern Sudanese settlers from Shendi.

[@sgt.brexit3850]

'Civillian soldiers' is a CRAZY statement

[@mortis717]

your ppl created this

[@c.a.sreacts]

@@mortis717 it's the white man fault we these poor smart people killing each other, no other reason

[@parrot1442]

​@@mortis717Dont be rascist

[@Kennoey.]

@@parrot1442 explain to me how saying that britain caused all of this mess to be racist

[@The_king567]

@@Kennoey.they didn’t create Sudan or South Sudan

[@israelcube9837]

What I would also like to add. The RSF forces come from the more rural, nomadic and tribal parts of Sudan which have stronger martial cultures. The RSF have been engaged in war often in recently years. The Sudanese loyalists meanwhile mainly draw from more urban areas of Sudan/regions that practice sedentary agriculture. A huge reason why the RSF can shift more than it’s mass despite having less desirable circumstances. The RSF’s fighters are more prone, hardened and charactered to conflict.

[@MuhammadSami-rk5ml]

One of the reasons of war is israel. They think we dont know we laugh at their ignorance of not knowing our acknowledgement of their actions

[@FPSGamer48]

I’ve always thought this was inevitable. The split between South Sudan, Sudan, and Darfur is for the best. The colonial borders were poorly made.

[@ciaranharrington4141]

Colonial borders, yiu sound like an expert, tell us all more

[@salihalash4111]

Darfur is prt of Sudan since 18th century

[@fiendish9474]

Noone likes seeing their country split apart mate

[@bonafidemonafide7810]

“Is for the best” South Sudan has been a failed state since it split off

[@bjzaba]

So nice to see you giving the pronunciations a go!

[@zico739]

The irony of in-fighting among the military class being the reason Sudan finally lost control of the Darfur region is something else.

[@sirwootalot]

Thank you so much for your informative videos! - but I have to say, the audio in this whole entire video is REALLY quiet. Going forward, can you mix your audio louder so we don't have to fuss around so much to turn it up? :)

[@skylarrbeck]

Loved the blooper at the end!

[@GeliCarlosJ]

Sudan, South Sudan & Souther Sudan.

[@davidty2006]

"So we draw a line here in the middle of the desert"

[@stonebeetle006]

No. Sudan, South Sudan and Darfur

[@thetruecyrusplayz1256]

Nah, its sudan, South Sudan, and Slightly Norther than South Sudan /j

[@stonebeetle006]

@@thetruecyrusplayz1256 You misspelled Republic of Darfur wrong

[@thetruecyrusplayz1256]

@@stonebeetle006 I literally put /j

[@Wandallz]

South Sudan, Sudan, and soon to be West Sudan

[@randomwagtail4295]

Later there would be sudan, south sudan, west sudan, north sudan and east sudan

[@zurielsss]

How about “the other one” ?😂

[@qwerty-vp1sb]

i think darfur would keep its name.. west sudan ridiculous

[@notoriousfly9260]

North Sudan, South Sudan, West Sudan, East Sudan, Central Sudan

[@AlecOnYoutube]

North Sudan Northwest Sudan West Sudan Southwest Sudan South Sudan Southeast Sudan East Sudan Northeast Sudan North Central Sudan Northwest Central Sudan West Central Sudan Southwest Central Sudan South Central Sudan Southeast Sudan East Central Sudan Northeast Central Sudan Up Sudan Down Sudan & Sudan

[@molakhs.elhkaya]

Correction 1:52 حمايتي himayti

[@skullfucker6064]

03:55 what the hell is a civilian soldier?

[@luisavelinorelogio]

Good question

[@BoblopZmuda]

Just a heads up, you left in your description card for the end segment! (I sneakily love seeing these things haha)

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

If the guys really want to pronounce the names accurately writing them in phonetics might help. I met someone who was supposed to sing something with german lyrics, but didn't know german, so they spelled it phonetically and it sounded alright

[@fra604]

They're English, they cannot read phonetically

[@ldubt4494]

​@@fra604so true 😂.

[@mightyx5441]

​@@fra604you could say worse than americans, literally i say (sue+dan; or sue+dahn)

[@dddz961]

Yes, please!

[@BilalMarcus]

as someone that lives in the region (egypt) the northern sudanese people are black african muslims that happen to speak arabic and are muslim. so are the people of darfur. the issue here is that this is a power grab. it is not racial of religious tensions. outsiders always seem to over sell this point. i repeat, all of these people are black african muslims that speak arabic and follow islam. i have many friends that live there and travel to egypt frequently.

[@kasugaryuichi9767]

Every Sudanese gets their own Republic!

[@mohammedhassanademadem]

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[@artistbervucci1716]

South Sudan is already UN recognised country - saying "West and South of the Country", implies it's still a part of Sudan...

[@woozyz2769]

South Africa says hello

[@YeeSoest]

The end was spectacular😅 So interesting AND EVEN THOUGH I LOVE YOU GUYS I AM SURE you made the wrong call in the end 😂

[@jtgd]

Don’t even know the conflict’s details, but I’d definitely assume so.

[@almustafamustafa4388]

Yes In case of South sudan the conflict was between arab Muslims vs african Christian, but in the case of Darfur the conflict is between arab Muslims and African Muslims, its worth noting that the RSF " JANJAWEED" are arab militias so basically the conflict is between arab Muslims and arab Muslims, unfortunately the people are cought up in between bothe Africans and Arab

[@VIVIHESS]

There are no Arab muslims in Sudan. They are African muslims. As you can see in this video.

[@AfricanMaverick]

@@VIVIHESS there are Arab Muslim e.g. baggara arabs

[@ArtHur-wp6ex]

This is typically for the islam, you can read the fairytale quran and the stupid nonsense of this liar muhammad to understand the conflicts their. All for an imagination of some sick persons who burned their minds under the sunheat.

[@jacques9168]

Sudan really is the new Yugoslavia huh

[@Timkevich]

Hello. Could you tell me, please, where you get such good map for your video previews

[@F.S.L.C.]

WOW - THANK YOU FOR THIS NEWS UPDATE.

[@rcwlson1]

A person in my group therapy group on Discord audibly had bombs exploding near her house all throughout our session. We haven't been able to get in contact with her since.

[@geznicks]

At least you're in a group therapy group to deal with the loss

[@snaiper195]

4:02 " Killing civilian solders"

[@selcovoilucian8253]

😂

[@brandyheng]

Like Oil and Water... cannot be mixed.

[@pisse3000]

Love the bloopers

[@sekelakasebele4026]

The two main poblems of African countries Politics is 1.Religion (Muslims or Christianity). 2.Tribalism (Ethenics groups who share language culture and customs) Take good example of Sudan firstly Muslims fought with Christians and then the country divided and South Sudan was new country (Then South Sudan new country who are Christian went to war because of tribalism and now the war is over .....ish). Now the Sudan again who are Muslims are fighting against other Muslims.The main problem is tribalism.

[@fnansjy456]

Nationalism not tribalism you don't call ww2 or the balkan wars tribal, it is disrespectful

[@randomlygeneratedname7171]

Just make more borders but keep free trade and free movement. Now they feel better they are on the map and can design another funny flag.

[@chillin5703]

​@@fnansjy456it was absolutely tribalism, and so is this. There aren't concepts of nations fighting, it's ethnic groups and ethnic tensions.

[@woozyz2769]

No really, you're a westerner looking at this with a SOCIAL perspective, America has its own social problems aka racism, lgbt rights, feminism, wokeism and all that good stuff, bringing tribalism coming from a westerner is pretty ironic........

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

@@fnansjy456 Nationalism if about nation, tribalism is about tribe, I suppose. Nation is not the same thing as tribe. Nation is a mass of people of the same history/language/religion. Tribe has stuctured distribution of power. And I think that tribes are usually smaller and people are interconnected by kinship, which has no role in nations. Europe had tribes as well in its past. Why is the word tribe disrespectfull? It just decribes different organisation of society, without any intend to insult anyone.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Power cannot exist in a vacuum. In absence of a clear leader, power goes to the ones who possess a monopoly of force.

[@keshi5541]

The most charismatic or slimiest if not both was up coming at the top of power

[@moinsenmittag8683]

I love these bloopers

[@keshi5541]

Can't wait for the Eastern Sudan update.

[@Kennoey.]

aint gonna happen cause the rest of sudan is arabian and united

[@bgcvetan]

No wonder that Christian South Sudan wanted to leave.

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

Christ Reigns Supreme

[@give_me_my_nick_back]

Split it into 6 parts then it's gonna be funny naming extra states when we run out of the cardinal directions xD

[@keshi5541]

North-Eastern Sudan, South-Eastern Sudan, North-Western Sudan and South-Western Sudan. After that I can't think of anything else. I don't know Central Sudan?

[@deutschekanadische]

@@keshi5541West-Central, East-Central, North-Central, South-Central

[@MOBXOJ]

Most will be named to their historical names, Darfur which was the Sultanate of Darfur would stay the same, North Sudan which was the Kingdom of Nobatia would be changed to that, East Sudan would go back to being the Funj Sultanate etc

[@Potkanka]

Thanks for trying with the pronunciation! I admit that was pretty funny :)

[@gidi3250]

3:58 definitely needs a and since killing civilian soldiers reads fine with a comma, but doesn't sound right when spoken

[@Barwasser]

3:56 Airstrikes, which has ended up killing *civilian soldiers*

[@AP-dd3xp]

They can split all they want, doesn’t matter at all.

[@DennisTheInternationalMenace]

1:04 Heeeey you guys got the generals right this time! 🥳 😂

[@ShadowSkryba]

Ok that blooper is hilarious

[@BenjaminKeller]

I get the "we just don't work together" but at some point you just gotta get you shit together and more spliting won't save you. You have to work with what you got. Not every human can be it's own country.

[@AnglosArentHuman]

Ah yes. Just get your shit together after a genocide. Just like the Jews did after the Holoc- wait nevermind they also created an ethnostate :)

[@dragonfire3727]

Czechoslovakia split was peaceful and good it's a great example better than having a civil war

[@Tethloach1]

There should be a hundred more nations, splitting up is the solution always. If the people don't get along they should split. If things don't work time to break up. The Sudans: Sudan = Struggled to make everyone happy West Sudan = Civil war is possible South Sudan = Decades long civil war created it East Sudan = Civil war stopped Central Sudan = Things fail new country Nile Sudan = Things fail split again New Sudan = Things fail create new nation New nation creation: 1. Do the people get along 2. Is conflict ongoing 3. Are people satisfied Save nations: 1. No wars 2. No friction 3. No conflict

[@OGrandomunknownperson]

Arabs are too imperialist to live with other ethnicities

[@alanfulcher460]

Easy for you to say. This is a lot bigger than “we just don’t work together”

[@dragon55017]

If Darfur does become independent from this, then Sudan could potentially be the nation who both of the most recent nations coulf have split off from, assuming Darfur splits off before 2027

[@Ravi9A]

why 2027?

[@dragon55017]

@@Ravi9A because Bougainville would beat them then

[@NaveedKhan-bm8cg]

Split question is also in my mind

[@benoitbvg2888]

3:55 can someone explain what a "civilian soldier" is?

[@lif6737]

Sudan has no reason to exist. It was united by a colonial empire, and now sits as an ethnically diverse, politically unstable, and structurally weak state. I can’t imagine equitable development in that country anytime soon

[@Threezi04]

If Darfur splits off then you are left with what is roughly the borders of the historical Sudanese states such as the Mahdist State or the Funj Sultanate which were pretty strong.

[@monzerfaisal3673]

Out of most countries in Africa in the same boat, Sudan has it easier with the mix of ethnicities, but it's still bad

[@craigr6842]

What are you talking about? Sudan, Kush, Cush,Nubia has been a unified country for thousands of years. They resisted the Roman conquest and only fell when the Ottoman controlled Egypt with their British and French allies invaded and defeated them in the late 19th century. The obvious problem is the continued Arabization of Africa. It started in North East Africa and continues to spread like a cancer to the west and south.

[@deathdrone6988]

Civilian soilders? Not ebtirely sure how that is possible... (3:58)

[@monzerfaisal3673]

Agreed

[@bobalmond8257]

2:38 when your warlords wear the uniform of the country. Sadness.

[@johnpederson5873]

I recommend watching a vice documentary called inside darfur. Lots of paramilitary group like the wagner group raid villages take land from the sudanesses set up oil plants and hire international to work there while the natives live in poverty

[@moover123]

I have no idea about their conflict, but I feel like splitting up might be a good thing for the future if there is too much internal tension.

[@levifowler7933]

The issue is that break-offs can set off a chain reaction of splits. Some argue that this is why Darfur is where it is. The African Union is REALLY cautious about recognizing seceding groups for this very reason. There's not necessarily an easy solution, and no one party to blame. Even states without a history of being colonized (Ethiopia for example) have the same sort of problems.

[@keshi5541]

I mean Ethiopia is a colonizer nation themselves. So it kind of makes sense.

[@rediettadesse2828]

​@@keshi5541Ethiopia is not a colonizing nation

[@salihalash4111]

Who said they arent , forget ogaden war? Eritrea?

[@subtlesounds2508]

No

[@Opiavan]

Nuba Mountains / South Khordofan is actually the most likely region to split from Sudan soon to become an independent. The reason is because they have stronger armed movement known as SPLM-N there and they have been fighting the government of Sudan since 2011. Those people don’t tolerate Arabs’s nonsense in Sudan. Sudan will likely be splitted into more 4 countries soon.

[@jidusaleh]

Agreed

[@hugojames85]

Probably.

[@vagabond352]

@1:52 the Arabic word written is wrong it should be like this (حمايتي)

[@miguellopes7627]

4:00 Wait, civilian Soldiers?

[@stonebeetle006]

Free Darfur!

[@redsky6630]

No

[@stonebeetle006]

@@redsky6630 Yes

[@redsky6630]

​@@stonebeetle006Where are you from?

[@stadtrepublikmulhausen4121]

Is there even a darfur independance movement right now ?

[@redsky6630]

@@stadtrepublikmulhausen4121 Not really, further breakdown of Sudan would cause more destabilisation

[@CARL_093]

again then it will repeat again if this not stop or solved

[@marym7104]

Within 17 hours!

[@Jayvee4635]

Sudanly it's not half the state it used to be.

[@Threezi04]

lol

[@The_New_IKB]

A Sudan for every point of the compass!

[@euanstokes2828]

If you include the microstate of North Sudan in Bir Tawil we just need one more...

[@dr.victorvs]

Serious question: why do British English prescribes "centre" when the pronunciation is clearly "center"? I understand there is no language authority in the US, and dictionaries describe/prescribe orthography. Is there a language authority in Britain, like, in the Royal Academy?

[@user-he8ws1wy6r]

What would be the darfur region's name once it gets its indenpendence?

[@jdng86]

Look at India and Pakistan, Pakistan split off from India and they've been best buddies ever since.

[@MustacheCashStash125]

I hope Darfur doesn’t fail like South Sudan

[@Sohanjs]

TLDR Please cover the news on manipur. It need global attention!

[@homyitorgamez566]

The Sudanese conflict is way way bigger than that and you've done a pretty good job in explaining it, but in your explanation it seemed like the remnants on the old regime are the helping hemeti. Please correct that in future videos

[@oxvendivil442]

Spoiler alert! all former colonies and territories are bound to splinter into tiny bits that are more manageable, all the former colonies' and territories' boundaries and subdivisions don't really make sense as they were designed to simplify extraction and exploitation by outside forces rather than what would make sense to the people on the ground.

[@andre-cmyk]

YES EXACTLY

[@Hypernefelos]

Ethiopia wasn't a colony (it was only very briefly occupied around 1940) and it has even more ethnic subdivisions that are prone to conflict. I'm amused by the idea that the rest of Africa, with its long history of wars and conquests, like most other continents, would have somehow naturally settled into peaceful and homogeneous states had it not been for borders drawn up by colonial powers.

[@ikeu6433]

​@@HypernefelosIf you think Etheopia has more conflicts than countries like Nigeria or the CAR or Sudan then you have no buisness speaking about any African affairs. That's insane.

[@Hypernefelos]

​@@ikeu6433 Did you completely miss the Tigray War last year (up to hundreds of thousands dead, close to a million displaced)? Or the decades Ethiopia was fighting Eritrean secessionists, until the latter won their independence and then kept fighting Ethiopia? Or the Somali secessionists in the south? And meanwhile there was a communist coup that ended up collapsing after the country's economy did, but not before some genocide got added to the mix. Need I go on?

[@MOBXOJ]

​@@ikeu6433Ethiopia does actually have more conflicts than Sudan 😂😂 and the thing is, Ethiopia was an empire itself, most the land it controls was conquered

[@albevanhanoy]

Diamond tier bloopers

[@dotsdot5608]

you love to see it

[@catmonarchist8920]

🎉Just create a 'Holy Roman Empire of the Sudanese Nation' and let each village do its own thing!

[@stargazer-elite]

No not the Boardergore NOOOOO

[@Darium147]

That wouldnt exactly work as you may think

[@Darium147]

​@@stargazer-elite If you wanna Fox african borders, you need squiggly borders.

[@mariotheundying]

If that happens I hope there'll be an African Napoleon to fix the border gore

[@hysem77]

Non Muslim majority are in the splitter up south Sudan . Darfur are Muslim majority .

[@SirWhig-esq.]

North, South (and now, possibly) West Sudan.

[@dert693]

"civilian soldiers" (3:57)? Soldiers are, by definition, not civilians. Civilians are, by definition, not soldiers.

[@TheSmokeOfSolidarity]

Yugoslavia Africa edition

[@ugwuanyicollins6136]

What happened to Yugoslavia

[@TheSmokeOfSolidarity]

@@ugwuanyicollins6136 it became a long trail of dominoes. with every domino fallen, being a new country.

[@Themooman29]

If everyone “looked” the same there would be no racism and conflicts would end. I present to you, Sudan and other sub Saharan African countries.

[@sepulcher8263]

And most of Europe and Asia for centuries. Not sure why people think sameness would prevent conflicts. I would put middle east but they're classified as Asian if I'm not mistaken.

[@keshi5541]

They don't look the same though. Maybe to westerners we might look the same but to us we can easily spot the difference. Even my nieghbors Somalia, I can tell the difference between us Eritreans just by their face alone and same applies to an Amhara Ethiopian.

[@giltsholder]

Spoken from some place in Europe whose history is 2000 years of war against the people on the next hill

[@sepulcher8263]

@@keshi5541 What's the difference between the Amhara and other Ethiopians? I'm curious as an outsider.

[@Themooman29]

@@keshi5541 I was intentionally make a simplistic critique. As you point out, people will find any small differences within a population to separate people

[@rocketsfan05]

Al-Mahdi doesn't just mean protector, it also is a reference to the Islamic version of the messiah and a callback to the Sudanese leader who fought against the Egyptians and British in the 19th century. That's a BFD to be called that

[@thepotatobredrblx1404]

We are about to see 2 potential new countries this very decade bois

[@freneticness6927]

Only 90s kids remember when sudan was the largest country in africa.

[@Threezi04]

And 2000's kids

[@omaralkayal7598]

I was born in 2000 and I always knew Sudan but to be quite honest I never heard of South Sudan until 2019 when I started caring about geography they didn't even teach us about South Sudan in school a lot of people probably don't even know of their existence yet

[@Mr_Bawon]

I was born in 1994 and I remember.

[@alphalunamare]

General Gordon tried his best and failed. It is best to leave them to it.

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

Major-General Charles George Gordon CB 28 January 1833 - 26 January 1885

[@omaralkayal7598]

but he was part of the problem he screwed us all! The British mandate was part of the problem

[@MOBXOJ]

Let's play find Gordon's head!

[@iamjimb]

Sudan was the reason my old map was outdated, they gonna do this to me again?

[@joegonzalez6241]

i am not sure what weapons these groups are using

[@thatbuckmulligan]

Someone needs to explain to them that diversity is a strength...

[@kennyking9667]

Shut up

[@kennyking9667]

@@secco1908 support Biafra please.

[@notusneo]

Ah yes the balkanisation of Sudan

[@veranarosa8500]

So there will be Northwest/West Sudan?

[@yarielrobles9003]

I can't wait for east, west, north, and central sudan

[@nicolasmonty3692]

Central Sudan might end up renaming itself to its original name before European colonist arrived in Africa. At least that what I read in an earlier comment

[@j3sper]

That's what happens when some mongrel at desk in London draws borders willy-nilly...

[@ryansauchuk7290]

The mistake was thinking that Africans could not kill each other for 5 minutes

[@Opiavan]

Next time also speak about Nuba Mountains. Also Darfur is majorly an Islamic region not Christianity only Nuba Mountains / South Khordofan is Christianity dominant region. In fact that is the region which has has gone through a lot of wars till today but unfortunately it doesn’t gets a lot of media attention. Nuba Mountains is likely the first and only region to split from Sudan soon.

[@benjami4359]

If they are Christian why Sudan ruling by sheria Islamic low? They better adapt secularism government. If not they must have their owner country.

[@ryoukwjdbwopqmqpzl73819]

Be more descriptive with the texts in your thumbnail. Don't put almost the same thing your title has

[@rafail2303]

4:00 civilian soldiers

[@osiris7800]

This phenomenon will most likely occur frequently in Africa. Most African countries are western constructs and over time they will more likely revert to their tribal base.

[@bachvandals3259]

Nothing wrong with that, nation-state is generally more stable anyway. Since the biggest group of peoples will always want control, i doubt anything will change if there isn't military conflict. A group of 300 nations in Africa will be more stable than 100 dying colonial remains struggling with ethnic violence. Maybe they can move to more understanding after this all over.

[@rodrigoe.gordillo2617]

Countries in the Americas are the same, western constructs yet this type of ethnic violence was not that common

[@syhuhjk]

​​@@rodrigoe.gordillo2617because most of American countries started as white colonial settlement

[@austinreed7343]

@@rodrigoe.gordillo2617 Because those indigenous groups were driven to functional extinction by whites.

[@leavemeal0ne378]

That is generally europe or any co tinet who built their borders without exploitation from europeans

[@asphyxiafeeling]

Frankly, the lines of a lot of countries in Africa probably need to be redrawn. The way the colonial powers did it screwed up a lot of things, such as putting together incompatible tribes / religious groups. The people living there oughta fight it out and draw the borders in a way that works for THEM.

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

The problem with such a plan is that ethnicities usually dont have clear borders between themselves. The population is usually scattered and making a border between them usually leads to lots of violence. Other problem is that many ethic groups claim some territory where they are in minority now or even dont live at all but where they used to live - and were forcefully expelled from it or exterminated by other ethnic group.

[@ryansauchuk7290]

I love how the arguement always boils down to " we can only deal with people exactly like us". Time to grow up and actually work together instead of genociding because the Derka-Derkas got 1 extra acre of scrub land from the Derka-Dinkas 5 centuries ago. And don't even get me started on the Dinka-Derkas.

[@kiranreilly4916]

@@ryansauchuk7290 Old worlders arent exactly known for letting bygones be bygones. Most of these places still have ongoing ancient blood feuds that go waaaaaaay back. Europe used to be much the same. Literally the only reason they're not still is because the continent experienced the two most deadly and destructive wars in human history BACK TO BACK and this all happened very recently - just shy of living memory now.

[@chico9805]

​@@ryansauchuk7290It's not that simple, people aren't interchangeable cogs. There is beef, centuries-old beef. That doesn't go away until you reach the apocalyptic levels of destruction, that Europe saw in the World Wars. Even then, it's only a matter of time until old rivalries re-ignite in Europe - This is human nature.

[@keshi5541]

You'rr asking for an African continental war.

[@MOBXOJ]

For anyone wondering, Darfur is bigger than countries like France, Germany and most European countries, losing this region will make Sudan alot smaller on the map

[@2255223388]

Jesus, imagine having to flee to South Sudan 😳

[@anthonymarlowe6986]

Jesus is a fictional characters who never existed.

[@2255223388]

@@anthonymarlowe6986 It's a figure of speech, edgelord

[@anthonymarlowe6986]

Like Allah fictional imaginary been characters who never existed. Never ever speak for itself to the people's of the world of reality but only in people's heads always in there's heads. I say beens sarcastically instead of beings extraordinary claims require evidence l bet you live in England.

[@maruku4445]

I wouldn’t mind it splitting again. It’s too big. Though if there’s any country that NEEDS to split, it’s Russia.

[@amrowahba23]

it wont split and if you ask darfur people if they want to declare independence, they will say no because they know that some countrys want sudan to collapse. If they did voting on if they want to split, they are gonna cheat the votes and make it 99% yes because they want sudan to collapse.

[@Remake5182]

why?

[@MedK001]

@@Remake5182 Apparently it's "because it's too big". Like wtf kinda reason is that lmao. I wonder if they think the US should split too. Russia's not splitting, most of the area it covers is sparsely inhabited.

[@woozyz2769]

The US needs to split as well, China will do that for west soon don't worry 🤣

[@theoneblock7107]

That’s not how countries work my guy