How the "Chicago Grand Prix" Shows the Growing NASCAR Vs F1 Divide

NASCAR and Formula 1 can not be any more different of racing series when you look at the two side by side with one another. With the recent news about Formula 1 applying for the trademark of “Chicago Grand Prix” less then a year after NASCAR had a huge success with their street race in the city it has rightfully raise some eyebrows. Add to all of this that these are the two most popular motorsports series in America and F1’s push to gain more popularity over here and you have an interesting predicament forming in the space. So today we will look at the Chicago news and what the outlook for each in America compared to the other moving forward. How "Chicago Grand Prix" shows the growing NASCAR Vs F1 divide.
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[@TheIceberg]

What do you think the future of American motorsports is between NASCAR and F1?

[@MCHATTENBROS78]

I feel like f1 is trying to take all the fame from nascar or INDYCAR as its super popular all around the world but nascar and INDYCAR and the most popular in America and I think f1 wants to be more popular then nascar and INDYCAR

[@whoasked9500]

Real racing fans watch both series and aren't snobby assholes about other series, just saying.

[@themotorsportgeneral]

Hopefully working together but honestly it’s probably just gonna be a huge rivalry

[@whoasked9500]

@@themotorsportgeneral honestly yeah like at least Indycar tries to work with NASCAR sometimes

[@brentruvio6556]

NASCAR will continue to be king in America in regards to racing, because they're genuine. F1 will always view America as beneath them and so anything they do to attract American fans is hollow as hell.

[@stellingbanjodude]

If you can buy tickets to a formula 1 race, you can afford to go to 10 NASCAR races.

[@S.K.R.E.Inc.]

Not even 10, more like 15-20 if the tracks have deals or charge flat fees all around

[@Lowlife-jc8us]

Dude its far cheaper in nascar

[@sulphurous2656]

I couldn't even manage to get a ticket for the Chicago NASCAR race despite being a resident, ain't no way I'll be able to get one for the FIA's dog and pony show at this rate.

[@Nedems]

Fun fact: you can go meet drivers in the infield for 10-20.

[@RazorSharp75426]

Lol, anyone can attend an Illegal street race for free. You just have to have a good taste in cars.

[@syncthedingus1306]

NASCAR and F1 are two entirely different styles of racing. So different, in fact, that it doesn't feel fair to compare the two. The only thing they share is that they are sports where you race cars. Other than that, they may as well be football and soccer.

[@themotorsportgeneral]

Ya know I have tried to get into F1 but the entitled attitude of the sanctioning body and race teams (won’t let American race teams join, Las Vegas disaster with blocking out any window) just makes it really hard. I would rather watch Indycar who cares about the American fans (and quite frankly I think has better racing) than wake up at 5am to watch f1 who are just here for the American dollar

[@norandomstuff]

The entitled attitude applies to its fans aswell

[@falloutfan6649]

IndyCar shows they care the most out of all the major motorsport sanctioning bodies. All the activities surrounding the Indy 500 are affordable (which is why I go every year) and I’m from Detroit so the fact that they opened up so much of the course for free viewing and didn’t destroy everything in Detroit the way F1 did to Vegas was appreciated by all the fans

[@COCarDude]

I agree, not to mention the racing action is dog water.

[@S.K.R.E.Inc.]

Meanwhile, NASCAR: Expanded westward at the expense of 2 tracks (1 has since come back) Pulls insane stunts from time to time Can race anywhere from a stadium to Le Mans (and beat half the field in the latter) Even the worst short track race is miles better than the best F1 The Chase Elliott fanbase is less toxic than all of F1 combined Starting to expand its demographic a bit

[@josephharrison5639]

Not to mention a decent amount of fans

[@thembanjoko2844]

F1 has had a crazy obsession with street circuits in recent years, with the addition of Miami, Las Vegas and now Chicago. Most F1 fans are outraged as the F1 calendar is moving away from some road courses like in favor street circuits in the hopes of racing in bigger cities which generates more revenue than traditional road courses.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Yep and F1 announced another Street Race in Madrid for 2025.

[@polycube868]

​@@runrafarunthebestintheworldand right after the track in Spain finally got rid of the much hated chicane at the finale corner, and replacing a track people already didn't like to start with.

[@RazorSharp75426]

@@runrafarunthebestintheworld and possibly Osaka could replace Suzuka if it became reality. I'd rather bring back Nordschleife to the F1 calendar and I DON'T FRICKIN CARE if anyone on the grid had worse wreck than either Niki Lauda or Jann Mardenborough.

[@ElitePeep]

As a Chicagoan Mayor beetle juice is a great name! 😂

[@TheIceberg]

Used to be in Chicago a lot when I lived in Illinois. I always remember people calling her that 😂

[@JoePCool14]

Yep. That's what we called her. She was a terrible mayor, not that the new guy is any better.

[@cpttankerjoe]

@@JoePCool14 the new guy is arguably worse

[@cam_e6195]

@@cpttankerjoenot even a argument man😭

[@iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79]

But she brought nascar to Chicago and now your tuned in. It was a hit that you can’t deny.

[@NASCARFAN93100]

Imagine if NASCAR raced on The Streets of Liberty City, Vice City & Los Santos

[@S.K.R.E.Inc.]

Technically you can. Vice City has the Hotring, GTA 5 has a track builder and stock cars to buy. Not to mention, their real world counterparts have a speedway nearby

[@NASCARFAN93100]

@@S.K.R.E.Inc. Hotring Needs to be heavily influenced in GTA VI Especially Single Player Mode

[@CopeaCola]

So we bring Pontiac back and we'll have the Chicago Grand Prix 200 "presented by Pontiac"

[@ErikZarins]

You know why F1's popularity is probably gonna plummet in America again?? Because they did the SAME THING in the 80s

[@S.K.R.E.Inc.]

Let's hope NASCAR's popularity rockets like the 90s

[@andrewwinslow9315]

​@@S.K.R.E.Inc.The reason NASCAR boomed was because of the Indy Split. No way that happens again

[@polycube868]

F1 is a fad, cancel Drive to Survive and nobody will give a shit about Formula None!

[@RazorSharp75426]

@@polycube868 unless they brought back V10s .

[@polycube868]

@@RazorSharp75426 that would actually bring back fans to F1, most of why I don't like F1 is because of the engine formula that leads to a single team being far away from the rest of the field, I like old F1, just not the current day F1

[@HirokaAkita]

Honestly, i'd love a F1 and NASCAR double header. And both agreeing to show the other race in their respective broadcasters (NASCAR on Sky Sports, and F1 in FOX SPORTS) Both are simply some of the top in motorsports, and a joint race in a venue suitable for both sports could go extremelly well. Showing F1 international fans the chaos and excitement of NASCAR, while NASCAR fans can see the top form of open-wheelers. All of this in the same weekend. I just can't see how this shouldn't go as one of the greatest weekends in motorsports history.

[@RazorSharp75426]

Far fetched for sure, but it would be great

[@Ethan.D.McKinney37195]

I think Nascar needs to focus on its core more. They've spread out into city markets with LA and Chicago and I have loved it, just don't forget your small town Darlingtons, Bristols, and Martinsvilles. That's what built your sport and that's where your die-hards are

[@patrickracer43]

A problem with F1 is their fans, I said on the F1 subreddit that this trademark filing was possibly to make sure NASCAR doesn't run as the "Chicago Grand Prix" and the people on the subreddit just thumbed their noses at NASCAR. F1 fans look down on other forms of motorsports and especially NASCAR and Indycar

[@craigstephenson7676]

They dont want to admit Indycar is the best open wheel series

[@polycube868]

IndyCar makes F1 look like a funeral procession, and IndyCar drivers have more skill, you actually have to fight to win, in F1 if you have the best car you just ride away with 0 competition.

[@TweezersUnlimited]

NASCAR and Indycar both prove how to run a motorsport. Ovals and Roads both used correctly, and real competition. Of course thats gimmick management aside cause it kinda plagues all top series motorsports. Now, let me bring your attention to World of Outlaws, the true top motorsport........................................................................

[@patrickracer43]

@@TweezersUnlimited based

[@FlashoftheBlades]

@@TweezersUnlimitedWoO as the top circuit-racing series in terms of on-track product…I think it’s a draw between them and Global Rallycross. In terms of skill requirements…rallying has them bested by miles.

[@MinhLe-kt5zg]

As an F1 fan I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH. 3 RACES IN US IS ENOUGH. PLEASE

[@Bobjeremy45]

They should stop going to the united States

[@SirBinding]

​@@Bobjeremy45No, not completely, just once a year

[@RazorSharp75426]

@@Bobjeremy45 why tho?

[@Bobjeremy45]

@@RazorSharp75426 people could stop watching

[@StartimerZ]

Yeah with the one in Austin is more than enough To be fair just them stopping to race in a lot of street circuits would be a plus

[@FurryestX]

As a F1 mainly fan, i had ENOUGH, of Street races

[@polycube868]

I mean they suck, even the legendary Monte Carlo Grand Prix is a snooze fest, no temporary street circuit can compete with a real track like Suzuka, Spa, or Monza. The old school tracks are even fun to drive in video games, street circuits and most Tilkedromes suck.

[@RazorSharp75426]

@@polycube868 unless if F1 is holding races a la Targa Florio or that MF Ghost anime, on winding roads on the countryside/mountains, like in old Charade circuit in France or the Targa Florio course

[@FM4AMGV]

@@polycube868 Nascar can get away with it because the cars can take a beating and stay competitive, while a minor collision with an F1 car destroys its performance.

[@polycube868]

@@FM4AMGV exactly, Aussie Supercars too, only street courses with open wheelers I like are Long Beach and Toronto.

[@vwinters3164]

Netflix will definitely help NASCAR

[@RazorSharp75426]

Nope, It's just the V8s that made the difference. F1 might be falling behind in popularity coz they're running V6s

[@zacharylord6472]

@@RazorSharp75426 No offense, but do you think any casual or even interested fan who watches on TV cares about that?

[@200PingYT]

It could do what it did to f1 and bring in the wrong audience

[@RazorSharp75426]

@@zacharylord6472 50% of it, yeah. But fuck the casuals anyway.

[@KMerse1]

Netflix is terrible for F1 on the sporting side. Drivers, teams and fans who don't buy the artificial crap that Drive to Survive offer hate it. It is a short term gain.

[@chrisguardiano6143]

As an F1 fan for over 20 years, I think the boom in popularity in the US for F1 has ended, though I think F1 will not go back to the days following the whole tire controversy at the 2005 US GP at Indy (that resulted in only 6 cars taking the grid & basically running parade laps the whole race). That whole controversy almost resulted in F1 being dropped by SPEED & IMS threatening to terminate the contract they had with F1 early because they had created so much ill will between them & the American F1 fan. NASCAR needs to take advantage of the stagnation in popularity with F1 by marketing their product more to younger fans & how it is more competitive (thanks to the playoff format) than F1. I was going to add Indycar as well but they have some serious issues down the line (like the very real threat of Honda leaving after 2026) that threaten the whole future of American open wheel racing.

[@shadowmancy9183]

I'm really not a fan of the playoff format. The best driver over the course of the season is the champion. If there's an issue with late races not being enjoyable, then sponsors should put up prize money for achievements- winning at each type of track, for instance, would make Phoenix matter at the end if someone's won at a short track and road course.

[@karlcalvert812]

I disagree with @shadowmancy. The playoffs are a good thing, but they're not treated in the right manner. More emphasis should be put on the winner of the regular season and the playoffs should be treated more as an invitational tournament in the postseason than how they are now. That being said I think the playoffs bring great value and are very entertaining

[@deancoffey2531]

It showes that F1 sees NASCAR as a legitmente motosport and a competitor and they want to rain down on NASCAR so they stay on top. F1 did the same thing to indycar in the 90s

[@hertzwave8001]

never forget what they did to Group C...

[@NoName-gv6pi]

Oh heck now I know why

[@RazorSharp75426]

@@hertzwave8001 if only F1 never sweet-talked FIA/FISA to meddle with Gr. C regs to be more relateable to F1 cars, maybe Group C cars can stay a little longer. Or maybe Nissan can have a proper crack at winning Le Mans. Or the 4-rotor Wankel Rotary can be accepted in F1 🎶🎶🎶 (imagine 26B-powered F1 car in the 90s 🎶🎶🎶)

[@Dupontman627]

That Chicago street course was great

[@S.K.R.E.Inc.]

F1's starting to get jealous at this point

[@connorbrown2746]

the whole point of street circuits is to bring the racing to the fans which is fine, but physically blocking the local people from watching the event and charging an arm and a leg to watch it in person (las vegas) is despicable. the nascar race at chicago was a huge success and from i saw it got new fans. nascar did a great job despite it raining in biblical proportions.

[@S.K.R.E.Inc.]

NASCAR was drawing people in, not pushing them out. Heck, in a rare occassion, they made the Clash Saturday free instead of doubling down like usual

[@kristoft51]

As a european my interest started to shift to NASCAR more. It's a business too, but the amount street circuits, the amount of c(r)apitalism and the lack of racing really pushes me to the other side. NASCAR started to visit classic tracks, the racing is more fun and drivers always have a second chance

[@rimemariner]

I recommend IndyCar as well.

[@IsaacV24]

F1 now trying to copy and steal NASCAR’s thunder? Oh the irony! 😂

[@RazorSharp75426]

That's crazy, I know.

[@S.K.R.E.Inc.]

NASCAR went the Blue Ocean route, F1 is trying to make it a shark-infested ocean

[@ronbelanger4113]

No, this is hype.

[@billymercury3897]

You see, I'd love to be a HUGE F1 fan. But it doesn't have the same welcoming feeling like NASCAR, Indycar, NHRA or even IMSA. The attitudes of the teams, sanctioning body, and even the drivers just doesn't make me interested. Feels like you get punished for being an F1 fan and you gotta keep up with the crap the FIA does. For example, Andretti Cadillac not being allowed in F1 and for what? Bc existing teams don't want more competition? I'm not saying Andretti Cadillac will be a dominant team once they join, but as a North American fan I'd love to see more American based F1 Teams apart from Haas. Edit: Funny how I wrote this comment and not 24 hours later Andretti Cadillac were rejected

[@chrisguardiano6143]

Heck F1 isn't very welcoming when compared to other FIA operated series. I attended the Formula E race in Portland last year & I was able to walk the paddock & meet the drivers something that is impossible with F1. The same goes for both the WEC & the WRC.

[@billymercury3897]

@@chrisguardiano6143 Which again, doesn't do much fan service. If other motorsport series allow for better fan service then why bother with F1?

[@tomfarrell9302]

It's even worse than them not wanting more competition. They don't want another team cutting into the money they get

[@billymercury3897]

@@tomfarrell9302 That too I forgot to mention. Thank you for pointing it out

[@Mr.X2188]

​@tomfarrell9302 Which I find dumb because I would almost guarantee that Andretti Cadillac would make the pie bigger and offset the smaller portions that the teams would get.

[@PaulSmith-th9ct]

There was at least 5 races in American last year bigger than Chicago. Daytona 500,Indy 500, f1 Las Vegas, f1 Miami and the Coke 600 in Charlotte.

[@RazorSharp75426]

Thunderhill 25 Hours?

[@TheOfficialRandomGuy]

Daytona 24

[@SpiritGXE]

American motorsports has a foreign invader hailing from Europe. The time for NASCAR and IndyCar to put their differences aside and work together to save AMERICAN motorsports. Let IndyCar race at the Daytona road course or at Homestead-Miami. Let the fanbases come together as one. The Beach Boys saved American rock n roll with the "Pet Sounds" album and NASCAR and IndyCar can do the same.

[@RazorSharp75426]

What about Aerosmith or The Stooges?

[@SpiritGXE]

@@RazorSharp75426 Aerosmith didn’t really get big until the 70s. Beach Boys invented the concept album. Pet Sounds inspired the Beatles to make Sgt Pepper which then led to albums like Pink Floyd’s DSOTM or the Wall, David Bowie’s Ziggy Stardust and so on. All because an American band from California made an album with no filler tracks and was rated by Rolling Stone as the 2nd greatest album ever.

[@KordellCaldwell]

F1 & Nascar are just opposite sides of the same coin. Where Nascar has eliminated so much of the strategy and consistency that each race/season is a glorified crapshoot, F1 is so mechanical that 99% of races are decided on paper. American fans thrive on a sport that has room for randomness, but rewards consistency. If you look at any sport's most popular era, there were 1 to 2 dominant franchises, with an array of challengers that were always 1 play/game/race away from snatching the title (and sometimes they did). I think both Nascar and F1 need to learn from each other's successes and failures, and the one that figures it out fastest will be the dominant motorsport in America.

[@turbo_marc]

If they're gonna trademark the "Chicago Grand Prix" then they better run a race there.

[@falloutfan6649]

Something else that I think will drive the F1 base away is the price to go to these races. The price for a Vegas weekend package or even a qualifying ticket made a lot of people mad. Same with grandstand tickets for Miami. If the average Joe sees the prices and knows they’ll never be able to afford it they’re gonna get turned off by the idea that F1 is only for rich people and they don’t care at all about their fans

[@whoasked9500]

This for real I would love to go to an F1 race but a lot of us middle class folks just simply cannot afford it and what do you get for the price??? a 75 percent chance that the racing absolutely sucks ass

[@falloutfan6649]

@@whoasked9500 best video I’ve ever seen it’s called “F1 in 3 seconds” it’s the start and the call of “Verstappen wins” and that’s it. That’s literally almost every race

[@S.K.R.E.Inc.]

Watch him drive a NASCAR stock car at Daytona. The jet dryers would be totaled

[@JacobNascar]

Im a diehard Nascar fan and i tried getting into F1 by getting the F1 TV subscription and watched 2 seasons. I just ended my subscription today.

[@frederickwstrawitchiii3329]

F1 did the same thing a few years back with a New York GP trademark and nothing came from that. It adds another option for the reasons for why they did what they did. Question: was there ever any talk of IndyCars going to Chicago?

[@Derping098]

Seeing Formula One cars trying to handle Midwest roads would be the greatest train wreck I’ve ever seen

[@frozenuruguayball6436]

The suspension would cease

[@aidan9411]

I'd love to see a Quintuple header with NASCAR, Xfinity Series, Truck Series, IndyCar, and F1

[@chromediesel444]

With F1 races being expensive as hell, no thanks. With that high price F1 is selling for race, mind as well go watch bunch of grass roots/NASCAR races with that money.

[@RazorSharp75426]

I dunno what kind of grass roots racing event you go to, stock cars, sprint cars or modified production touring cars (ie race modded M3s, Imprezas or Skylines racing around the track against each other)?

[@Ka_Gg]

I think covid helped out F1 a lot temporarily. I knew several people who decided to watch F1 and the Netflix show and got all into it. A few years later, I will ask them about F1 races and they will just say they don't watch them. I still think they are positioning themselves better in the long run though. They are doing the smart thing in terms of the atmosphere.

[@cjwright1960]

As a long term F1 fan living in the US: Bored Americans on COVID home restriction coupled with the timing of the Netflix series resulted in a boom in F1 interest culminating in the 21 series which went down to the line. Most F1 fans know it was a very rare event to end a season like that. A large part of F1 fandom is team/car development, the racing is the test of the development. Sure we love to see a competitive GP, but we know these years of dominance are part of the process. RB fans are being treated to the dominant development of the current era of machine, McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston Martin fans are watching team development as they chase the RB. F1 isn’t better than NASCAR, and NASCAR isn’t better than F1, they are very different forms of motorsport, both the best at what they are. I personally don’t expect the American interest in F1 to sustain the long term.

[@saltyaphid3195]

It seems like a fad to me. There are a lot of "posers" i guess is the best word who have f1 wallpapers on their phones and merch but dont know who aryton senna is or watch the races

[@jdossantos88]

I didn’t think you could trademark general terms like "grand prix" seems hella petty

[@marjoh669]

European Formula One fan here. Only because the street circuit worked for NASCAR doesn’t mean it will work for Formula One. Also, USA already have three races on the calendar. We don’t need more races in the US, especially street circuits.

[@markc3456]

In response NASCAR should trademark "The McDonald's /GrubHub Grand Prix in Chicago brought to you by Capital One."

[@johnthefalcon2903]

Marshall Pruett from Racer Magazine, who is pretty plugged in; says this, in fact was a protective measure.

[@jacobshelor419]

NASCAR's COTA race has a different name than the United States Grand Prix though

[@SiVlog1989]

I've followed F1 most of my life, but if their argument is that trademarking the use of the words "Grand Prix" protects it from confusion with other sports, why haven't they done the same with MotoGP, who call their races "Grand Prix" as well. Indycar call some of their races Grands Prix as well (the "s" at the end of Grand, is the French plural, in case you're wondering). It just seems a bit silly if you ask me.

[@RazorSharp75426]

Back then IMSA also had races with Grand Prix name perched on it. Plus the term, at some times, also used in non-motorsports events like golf tourneys and badminton competitions

[@SiVlog1989]

@RazorSharp75426 exactly, F1 shouldn't be allowed to dictate that they're the only ones allowed to call their events "Grands Prix", it's as though the sport thinks its own audience is dumb or something

[@rmg_2771]

I tried to follow F1 a little more when Drive to Survive came out (still a great series), but the whole attitude of that organization has turned me off from following them. Like them trying to get a race in Chicago angers me because they’ll try to make it look like racing in Chicago was their idea. Chicago definitely can’t have both, so it would be sad if F1 gets the nod and then prices out the general race fan from visiting Chicago and watch a race

[@Drmmateo]

I honestly think it’s stupid to compare both competitions because they work in a very different ways, like the points system, championship, races, and more. I like Nascar (I don’t watch it a lot, i just watch the big races) but F1 is my passion and I admire Nascar like a good competition and they have good races most of the year, but after all I don’t like the expansion just like I explained in other comment.

[@altontherfkrfan617]

I as NASCAR fan who is getting more invested into F1, this is only going to go as bad as Las Vegas, and was hell and a half for the people around that track.

[@cpttankerjoe]

When I hear people complain about NASCAR, and say, F1 or IndyCar is better. I just wonder in what way they are talking about. Because in NASCAR you get constantly changes you have mid to back of the pack battles within a few seconds of the leader sometime. Whereas F1 and IndyCar, the field is always spread out. And even Juan Pablo Montoya said that in F1 you might pass three or four people every year whereas in NASCAR you’ll pass 10 people on a single lap. I just don’t get where these F1 supremacist are coming from. An F1 you’ll see the same cars go around the track at almost the same intervals in the same order lap after lap. Where in NASCAR you’ll see the field come by in one order and by the next lab it could be completely reversed.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

The IndyCar field is not spread out though. While the F1 field actually is.

[@craigstephenson7676]

Indycar has arguably better racing than Nascar. It is not super spread out, its about as spread out as Nascar was before stage racing. Much more action than F1, and much less gimmicky than Nascar. They focus on the racing, not the "entertainment" focus Nascar has.

[@polycube868]

NASCAR and IndyCar are very competitive, IndyCars on a big fast oval is really entertaining. The Indy 500 is a must see race every year.

[@bighand1530]

For that reason alone, I could never get into F1.

[@shadowmancy9183]

Cooperation is the only way F1 keeps growing in the US. I'd love to see F1 race at Sonoma, Daytona Road Course, Watkins Glen, Roval, or any of the other road courses NASCAR/Indy do. It's a question of if F1 will acknowledge the market demand in the US and work with those championships (maybe Indy races a little earlier, but gives a more rubbered in track for a cooler F1 race in the evening?).

[@RazorSharp75426]

Or Laguna Seca

[@NoName-gv6pi]

Nascar owns them tracks , plus both f1 and nascar don't like each other.

[@DaytonaPrototypes]

F1 is some of the worst racing out there. I used to watch religously from 2007-2016 before one guy won every week.

[@ronbelanger4113]

Only that long ago, young pup? Fan since 1970

[@bighand1530]

That’s fair. Max Verstappen has been winning more than Lewis Hamilton. Can’t say I find the Max Verstappen show entertaining.

[@bmc8319]

I got into F1 during the v10 and v8 era and I will say what lost me was the v6 era and the fanbase because the fanbase is very judgmental very arrogant very self centered because they think they’re sport is so much better when it’s only one driver winning every race and when you criticize it they’re deluded.

[@RazorSharp75426]

F1 has dived itself into the sea after 2013

[@Born1nTheUsa]

I think we need to do like they did in cars and have a World Grand Prix.

[@naparacingfan9275]

Bring Back Chicagoland!

[@cito1101]

We all know what'll happen if F1 raced at Chicago (If they ever go racing there). Little to no action on track, and the most dominant driver at Red Bull wins it all. At least NASCAR put on a good show and history was made.

[@TheIceberg]

To be fair F1 put on a pretty good show in Vegas. If this race were to happen it could be a pleasant surprise

[@whoasked9500]

@@TheIceberg honestly I know the Chicago street course isn't a grade 1 FIA track but I feel like an F1 race there in the rain would also go amazing like NASCAR did F1 race sin the rain are usually some of the best ones

[@Mr.X2188]

​@@TheIcebergTbh, I'm worried that this will not happen with the new Madrid circuit they announced. That track, unlike Vegas, doesn't appear to have many passing zones.

[@Zebrazebra77]

I think it’s smart to have multiple different races here. As somebody in the Midwest. I most likely won’t go to Miami, Austin or Vegas to watch F1. But Chicago being near, I may go to that race. It don’t have the traveling power in the States that nascar does.

[@ENKTDeeColon_and_randomnumbers]

thanks for the fresh and different take than what the F1 sphere is having, makes more sense to be a trademark troll about it or at the very least be kinda sorta prepared if either Miami or Vegas falls through one day

[@geoffdet9642]

An f1 car costs like 15 million dollars, a nascar car costs like 350.000 dollars. Nascar is more accessible for more people who can afford and willing to put the work in. That's where the divide is. F1 only has 20 seats on the grid. Only the fastest and best drivers get a spot. Not everyone just gonna get a seat in an f1 car, unless ofcourse if you can afford one. That's why prices are so steep for f1

[@RazorSharp75426]

"Only the fastest and the best drivers gets the spot" in F1. Ironically there were some of them who ain't worth shit to begin with (skill/resume-wise) but gets the seat in an F1 team.

[@gswizzy17]

Not at all the fastest and best. Just the rich kids with the money. Look them up. Only Ocon and Hamilton didn’t come from wealthy families, and even they were well off.

[@geoffdet9642]

@@gswizzy17 Well if you look at Verstappen his roots, he came from a racing family. His mom and dad, and is so skilled he found sponsors prepping him to get to f1 and reached his goals. And breaking many records. If you are skilled and talented enough, i'm sure you will find sponsors to reach your goals. The richest driver not gonna win races.

[@gswizzy17]

@@geoffdet9642 yeah so did Ryan Blaney and Chase Elliott. They're nascar cup champions. This isn't a good point. If you come from a racing family obviously teams are going to want you because you're a marketing strategy. Was there skill involved? Of course. But look at guys like Mick Schumacher and Bruno Senna. Their name was a selling point.

[@geoffdet9642]

@@gswizzy17 Well i look at it this way, Verstappen is to F1 what Michael Jordan once was to basketball, Or Mohammed ALi to boxing, Usain Bolt to running. It takes alot of practice and training to get to beat other players on any field. Some have that skill to a greater extent then others. And with all sports and for everything in else in life, nothing in life is free. Everything has it's price. At some point in life, someone is going to be better if you gonna compete.

[@matt_the_wildman_2112]

Mayor Beetlejuice...that has me dying

[@dracer555]

I’d rather watch a race a Chicagoland speedway any day, than the street course if it’s even still there if that helps their problem with closing down streets. As for F1, it’s not for me.

[@ronbelanger4113]

They will never recover!

[@gooldenpug-yd1tp]

From a F1 fan, I love NASCAR, I have always thought it was exciting and I really want to go to a race. My reason that F1 is better than NASCAR is track variation (which may end soon because of street circuits) and that the cars are actually different than each other.

[@tb.21]

As a long time F1 fan I hate the Miami Grand Prix the Vegas Grand Prix and the thought of a Chicago Grand Prix, COTA is perfectly fine, I'd love Indy back but please god stop with the street circuits

[@razormc954]

I'm not sure if picking a fight with NASCAR is the most prudent move for F1 in the US market. Remember, NASCAR still has a lot of pull as far as US motorsports go. NASCAR may view it as enroachment as they already had a street circuit race in Chicago. NASCAR still has a lot of power and influence here

[@austinemms9772]

Don’t worry, this sounds good in theory, until you realize that F1 would hold this race at 2:00 in the morning so, NASCAR’s all good.

[@craigstephenson7676]

seriously, I was so confused when Vegas F1 was at midnight. Casual fans wont stay up until midnight to watch F1 unless they're kids who already have messed up sleep schedules (me)

[@revelare_xvii6269]

With Max’s winning streak still ongoing, I feel like American fans are gonna move on to other motorsports, Nascar included.

[@charliepalmer3244]

F1 is shooting themselves in the foot with too many street races. Those cars aren't even made for street races, need that nice smooth grade 1 surface, or drains pop off.

[@RazorSharp75426]

And more importantly, F1 cars now were a wee bit too aero-sensitive for street tracks.

[@bighand1530]

Also doesn’t help that the same driver(s) keeps winning and by a landslide too.

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

It’s always funny that 2 of the less pinnacle racing series with the most toxic fanbases ever in racing always go at it. Just sitting back and looking at the silliness

[@Slingindirt_09]

This is why dirt racing is a W

[@TheIceberg]

If it were up to me id say everyone should just live and let live. But I do feel like F1 more than ever will be encroaching into NASCAR territory as they grow. Gonna be interesting to see how the two handle each other

[@RazorSharp75426]

It's the reason why I'm a sportscars fan now. IMSA, WEC, Japan Super GT, Nurburgring. More dope cars than F1 and NASCAR has to offer in the last 2-3 years. Shows what F1 lacks: Petrolhead appeal.

[@NoName-gv6pi]

​@@RazorSharp75426nascar owns imsa what u mean😂😂

[@whoasked9500]

@@NoName-gv6pi you're right however they also don't try and inject stupid rules like playoffs or stage racing or any of that dumb crap in IMSA

[@joseangelgutierrez8122]

Are you frickin kidding me?.

[@aaronspringborn34]

Question, I’m not an expert on this particular topic I watched a little bit of F1 when I was younger, but my dad introduced me to the great Michael Schumacher, one of the best in the world of the time he knew how to drive a car that’s all I remember ever ever since I ever watched F1 since then was it popular in the 90s and 2000sI watched a little bit on speed channel. When did it become popular recently and that made it drop off again how this is also affect IndyCar I don’t watch that that often except the Indy 500 and such a little bit. Does it affect them as well plus other motorsports like NHRA, and the other smaller motorsports, such as any former motorcycles, monster trucks, and so forth?

[@jesperPLZ]

F1 fan here, literally no one likes this. We already have 3 races in the US and if we F1 fans hate anything it’s another street track. It’s F1’s mile and a half

[@SlightCrescent4]

The fan base split is really interesting because you are correct when you say that a lot of the NASCAR fanbase are hard-core motorsports fans. I think a good portion of the F1 fan base in America only watch the sport because it’s trendy. Like they don’t give a shit about motorsport, they just wanna know the names because it’s trendy right now and gets them clout

[@RazorSharp75426]

Or in other words , "Casuals". Or "Tourists".

[@superxavxii421]

As an F1 fan im kind of indifferent. Yeah, its in my country so i might be able to attend but im not to interested on going to Chicago. I just hope the race somehow is good. Id rather we go to Indianapolis

[@catjudo1]

We Americans are a prickly lot and with F1's rejection of Andretti, I'm guessing that Chicago will tell F1 to take a hike. They saw the headache that was Las Vegas and my guess is that certain lawmakers, in the name of "patriotism", will make it a lot harder for F1 in the near future. NASCAR has some of the dumbest rules going and their championship is a tishshow, but the racing is usually pretty good. Indycar runs on a comparative shoestring budget these days yet they also put on a good show. The Eurosnobs and the Sandland Zillionaires can keep F1... I get it on TV for free if I want to watch a dull race.

[@RobertHarridge]

If F1 wants to come back to the mid-west, they need to go back to Indianapolis. The track has changed. F1 has a better tire manufacturer. It would make more sense for Indianapolis. Chicago doesn’t, and I don’t think Chicago will. I also think from the F1 fans standpoint, like listening to P1 or The RACE, I think F1 fans don’t want another street course after the announcement of Madrid street course in Spain, and getting rid of Barcelona’s purpose built track. I think F1 fans would rather have another purpose build circuit, and there’s none better or more prestigious than Indianapolis. From a U.S. fan’s standpoint, Indianapolis has a perfect geographical location. Not too far from Chicago, Cincinnati, Nashville, or even Detroit. Fans from all over the Midwest can easily converge on the hallowed grounds of Indianapolis. Why F1 thinks this is a great idea, I have no idea, especially when Indianapolis can handle 300,000+ fans.

[@wordlesslfiddling]

If f1 wants to take away the Chicago street race that's fine by me I'd rather them go to Nashville if we must street race

[@EC35-80]

I mean there are 7 F1 tracks in Nashville to pick from 😂

[@craigstephenson7676]

Nashville is already occupied by Indycar

[@RazorSharp75426]

Why not going to Compton?

[@johnthefalcon2903]

The one big thing F1 has over NASCAR is F1 TV . With NASCAR you're looking at $100ish month minimum under the 25 TV deal to watch everything for the season, with F1 you can watch everything in one place for $80 a year. NASCAR has a superior on track product, but F1TV is a big advantage that shouldn't be overlooked.

[@vailex_]

F1 is too expensive and would massively impact Chicago FAR more than Nascar did. A lot of money would be spent making the city compatible like you said they did with Vegas.

[@S3_Atlas]

Ah yes the rivalry that has been going on as long as time itself

[@billymercury3897]

"Mayor BeetleJuice" Made my day

[@eleanmendoza]

F1 has a lot of brand equity. Probably the best brand equity in motorsports. But we Americans like competition, and watching only 1 manufacturer build an unbeatable car regardless of who the driver is boring. Definitely not gonna wake up at 5:00am on Saturday to watch a race whose outcome got decided by the engineers in the off season.

[@forzaf1gtaracingandmore824]

F1 trying to grow the American market while making races stupid expensive and rejecting an American team with an American manufacturer behind it it crazy.

[@bighand1530]

Another thing that doesn’t help is how boring and predictable F1 races are. Don’t need to watch to know the same driver(s) keep winning and by a landslide too.

[@forzaf1gtaracingandmore824]

@@bighand1530 2023 was especially bad for competition at the front, I also see more and more in F1 of drivers only being able to pass in the DRS or the end of DRS zones, while in IndyCar they battle all around the track, replacing DRS with something like Push To Pass could honestly help the racing.

[@bighand1530]

@@forzaf1gtaracingandmore824 I would prefer both NASCAR and IndyCar racing over F1.

[@Alan_M00ch]

I remember a comment I left a couple of years back on a video surrounding F1 talk. Mind you, I'm not a fan of F1 never have been, never will be. But that's not important, in the video, the creator talked about how the French GP was to the series. To which I ended that comment with a dire warning of "dropping historic venues for money chasing in markets that might not be interested in the long run is way too close to NASCAR. Again, you guys are in deep trouble if this goes the way I think it's gonna go." That was in 2022. And sure enough, my warning to the F1 fans is coming true. Between the Las Vegas race, the announcement of Chicago trademarks, and just about everything else... it's already starting to happen.

[@Ghettocowboy33]

I think the problem with Texas is that there ain’t too much grass roots racing.

[@alecerdmann8505]

I am a fan of F1 and Indy and while I have great respect for NASCAR, it is not my thing (Although I watch these NASCAR KZbin channels from time to time because I find that history and details of NASCAR more interesting than the racing). IndyCar was #1 in the US for decades, despite almost constant mismanagement since the 1920s. It finally caught up to them with the split and NASCAR rocketed right by in terms of popularity. I do actually think NASCAR was on a trajectory where they would have passed IndyCar in the late '90s even without the split, but the split certainly exacerbated all if IndyCar/CART's problems. However, while I don't think IndyCar or any motorsport will come close to passing F1 as the world's most popular, in the USA over the next 20 years I think IndyCar is a bigger threat to NASCAR than F1. I'm not saying they will, just that it is more like than F1 because, as you said, American interest in F1 seems to be reaching a crest. IndyCar would really have to get its poop in a group, listen to Pato and be much more aggressive and ambitious, which at this point seems unlikely, but at this point I think the series that was most popular for decades is much more likely to cycle back to the front than the series that (in the USA) has always ebbed and flowed in 2nd, 3rd or 4th place.

[@hakjobtm7472]

imagine settling on another shitty street circuit when the shining jewel of the upper midwest that is Road America is like 4 hours north and an actually good track

[@zaxgeraci1168]

F1 is boring. Fallow the leader the entire time. You know who’s going to win before the green flag 😂. Whats all the hype for F1. I don’t get it at all. There’s so much more action in nascar no matter what the format is.

[@polycube868]

Even the worst NASCAR race is more entertaining than the average F1 "grand prix" F1 is only good if it rains or devolves into a shit show...or the dominant team runs into trouble giving somebody else a shot at winning.

[@RazorSharp75426]

@@polycube868 F1 is good if and only if they bring back V10s, grid girls and tobacco sponsorships. The last time F1 has been good is 2013.

[@polycube868]

@@RazorSharp75426 I'd agree!

[@bighand1530]

Tell me about it!

[@FYM-Creeper]

NASCAR just goes around a circle I don’t know what the hype about nascar is?

[@AndyFromBeaverton]

Chicago will never happen for F1.

[@Dan-fx7qy]

Protective measure against IndyCar and NASCAR

[@tylerfleming7330]

I like the engineering aspects of F1. The constant grey area stuff that nascar fans seem to like seems to be even more extreme. I can't watch the races though. Every "great battle" seems to be settled in 1 or 2 corners max.

[@gswizzy17]

When Formula 1 was struggling to get a deal with Spa that pretty much showed where their priorities were. Spa is one of the greatest race tracks in the world and they’d rather get Saudi Oil money.

[@maley2552]

How Nascar can get F1 back is to buy COTA and stop F1 from Racing there

[@polycube868]

Yeah, that's the kinda stuff Bill France Sr would pull, then ban F1 drivers from being allowed in would be his next step.

[@ChrisBl33p]

Liberty Media are idiots. They are American-led and this have seen what over-saturation and rapid expansion did to NASCAR. It's a shame that they're repeating the same mistakes all over again. Yes the market here is hot, but the expansion allows for room to cool down. A similar situation arose in 2011, when Ferrari were gonna name that years Ferrari F1 car the Ferrari F150. Ford Motor Company sued them/threatened them with legal action if they didn't change the name, which they did change it to Ferrari 150th Italia. It was a very stupid controversy, and an unnecessary one caused by Ford's idiotic leadership to say the least.

[@RazorSharp75426]

Americans. That's the problem.

[@shawa666]

You're mistaken about who is the target here. F1 is not after the average joe american fan. F1 wants the sponsorship money. And they're not after the Ktogers and that kind of small fry companies. They want the S&P 100 companies. Corporaions that sells stuff and services to other corporations. F1 doesn't care about NASCAR's fans. If they come it's a plus, but it's not the target audience.

[@ToxicFrostbite]

It's funny to talk about double headers. Cause that's exactly how you can grow interest. Share fans. Fans can watch and support both. Plus it only makes sense. That it's easier to get one person interested in racing hooked on another form of racing. Instead of someone who's never watched racing

[@RazorSharp75426]

Not to mention possible seat swap chances for drivers. IE F1 and NASCAR drivers try each other's rides

[@batchest4084]

They can brag about it being more about the technical side of it, but with that said f1 has been some of the absolute worst “racing” I’ve ever seen. I fell asleep during multiple races this year and won’t be tuning in nearly as much this coming season. Just an all around snooze fest.

[@mahiru20ten]

I honestly have no problem. Look at MotoGP that added their fourth Spanish race in 2010. I don't really see much uproar there, which is why I don't really mind F1 adding a fourth US race. Apples to oranges, yes, but remember that both are world championships that tour the world, with those countries (Spain for MotoGP, USA for F1) being the home base of the respective event organziers.

[@FlashoftheBlades]

I thought it was weird when Spain had three MotoGP races on their calendar, but four!? That seems excessive for a country of that size. Spain might be big by European nation standards, but compared to other countries elsewhere in the world, they’re like, “We so tiny.”

[@nickklavdianos5136]

​@@FlashoftheBladesit's because Moto GP is massive in Spain and they have many fans. This is also demonstrated by the number of Spanish riders. Marc Marquez, Alex Marquez, Joan Mir, Alex Rins, Jorge Martin, Pedro Acosta, Augusto Fernandez, Maverick Vinales and Aleix Espargaro, while Dani Pedrosa still makes a few appearances, Pol Espargaro is looking for a seat, and Jorge Lorenzo has only been retired for a few years.

[@nickklavdianos5136]

I don't think the number is the problem. The problems are mainly two: A) The quality. COTA is amazing but Miami is the most boring track of the year, there's literally nothing remarkable about it. Vegas admittedly had a very good race, but again, the design of the track is a bit boring. I bet that if F1 raced in Road America, with all the amazing corners and long straights, fans wouldn't mind at all. B) More US tracks means that another track has to be removed from the schedule. That usually means a beloved old school European track gets the boot. Germany is the centre of the automotive industry in Europe, and has two absolutely historic tracks but gets no F1 race. France, literally the birthplace of Grand Prix racing gets no F1 race. Spa is in constant danger of getting removed. There are about 3 tracks in Europe me personally alongside other F1 fans would love F1 to return to, Istanbul Park, Algarve and Hockenheim. Add Sepang to those and you've got 4 tracks. Four amazing tracks that we don't race at, because F1 prefers to go street racing in the USA and get oil money from the Middle East. That's why F1 fans are pissed.

[@RazorSharp75426]

@@nickklavdianos5136 1.) Sepang prolly won't happen because Malaysians prefer motorbike racing like MotoGP or Asian Road Race Championship. 2.) Most people prefer Nurburgring over the current Hockenheim track. I personally prefer Nurburgring with Nordschleife section back, regardless. 3.) People hated Paul Ricard circuit and prefer Magny-Cours.

[@nickklavdianos5136]

@@RazorSharp75426 1) Anyone who believes that F1 will ever race again at the Nordschleife is delusional, it isn't happening, the track is unsafe, plus narrow so it would just be glorified Monaco. 2) I just said a race in France. Never specified where. And Magny Cours although great doesn't really suited for F1. 3) How do you know what German racetrack people prefer? I definitely hear more people plead for Hockenheim to return rather than the Nurburgring. Hockenheim GP is definitely a better F1 track than Nurburgring GP. Hockenheim has at least 3 or 4 places you can make an overtake, Nurburgring has at best 2 and even in those you have to be really close at the start of the straight to make a move.

[@furriousadin]

I don't understand the whole "we must fight to be on top" angle or mentality when at the end of the day us, as race fans, enjoy all forms of racing. If you want a bigger market share keep improving the quality of the on track product. F1 is trying too hard to bring every single race to population centers while alienating some of the tracks that built it's identity and NASCAR needs to get it's racing in front of younger eyeballs.

[@kevinbrady8207]

After F1 gave the finger to Andretti, NASCAR should get Mario Andretti, and Earnhardt Junior to form a co owned team with Cadillac as the GM make. “Sell” them two charters (expand the number of charters for next year as part of the new agreement). Earnhardt Andretti Motorsports. EA Motorsports. It’s in the race. 😂

[@jamesdulany2176]

Are they really trying to build a following in this country if they're putting the Las Vegas GP on at 2AM ET?

[@BeautifulAngelBlossom]

F1 Sucks do the same dam driver wins all the time plus it is for the rich

[@polycube868]

Exactly, F1 is for the rich and famous.

[@KosSports]

F1 Fans are tired of street races 🙄

[@RazorSharp75426]

As an F1 dude myself I rather watch 1320 street racing videos or old VHS vids of kids going drifting in Japanese mountain roads than having F1 adding more street circuits. Even in the 50s and the 60s F1 calendars has some street circuits but better than most of today's street circuits because they used winding country roads for it

[@bighand1530]

I’m tired of seeing the same driver(s) winning and by a landslide.

[@magnusmunch2116]

F1 fan here i hate more American Tracks. Give the usa COTA and potentialet one more racetrack thats it get out if Miami and Vegas. And let andretti join as an 11th team

[@billymercury3897]

Unfortunately, Andretti Cadillac was rejected today :(

[@Jmeon4eva]

NASCAR is going to be a little aggressive then do a holding pattern. NASCAR could fight F1, it doesn't need to. Indycar is the one that's going to handle F1, they're closer aligned to NASCAR, doing more deals with NASCAR etc., etc.,

[@KyloBarley]

6:13 the bad thing about a younger audience is that a lot of the time it makes the fanbase so unbelievably toxic and ignorant because they are young and stupid (had multiple f1 diehard kids come at me)

[@walkerking3875]

and NASCAR is paying more money to Chicago this year, will probably have 3/4's the viewers