How the CIA Destroyed the Socialist Internet: Cybersyn, Part 1 | Kernel Panic | Mashable

In the 1970s, the US government and a group of universities were working on the fastest possible way to connect unwieldy mainframe computers separated by thousands of miles. Their work, the ARPANET, would become the basis for the modern internet. The networks we now depend on still reflect the purpose and worldview of its time and place: open, uncontrolled, and uncontrollable.
But there is another story. A hemisphere away, a group of programmers in Santiago, Chile were building a network of their own. Project Cybersyn had a purpose, ethos, and design completely different from the American network. In the two brief years it lasted, Cybersyn's creators saw the shape of something unique, something that was lost before we ever really learned what it could have meant to a networked world.
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[@laughingvampire7555]

the CIA is the reason why we cannot have nice things.

[@edwinvargas7969]

CIA don’t act on their own, they work for people, people with money 🤔

[@WordsAgainstTyranny]

We will one day have justice for Allende!

[@jonathansaavedra8135]

allende committed suicide

[@conveyor2]

@@jonathansaavedra8135 ...with the gun Fidel gifted him! Ironic justice served.

[@ProletarianPower]

​@@jonathansaavedra8135I mean yeah, he was gonna be captured and tortured. You present it as if he just decided to kill himself one day.

[@jonathansaavedra8135]

@@ProletarianPower What you say is a lie, there are recordings of the Military during the coup d'état, and at all times they offered to guarantee his life and physical integrity, and to make a plane available to him so that he could leave the country to wherever he wanted.

[@jonathansaavedra8135]

@@ProletarianPower The left says that Allende was assassinated by the military, that is a complete lie, he committed suicide with a gun given to him by Fidel Castro, you only have to listen to his last speech to realize what he was going to do, and he always said that he would take off his life in case a coup d'état occurs... Shortly before being overthrown he said that he was "the meat of statues" LOL

[@moctezumaaleg2008]

This exactly the reason U.S gets so many immigrants from latin America.

[@larcomj]

💯everything comes around doesnt it.

[@PrezVeto]

How many of them do you think come from Chile?

[@BirdArvid]

@@PrezVeto How many of them do you think come from countries whose trajectories have been altered and/or destroyed by the US? Are you aware of the history of US "nation building" in South- and Central-America? Are you aware that every country in Central-America had US involvement since WWII? Mostly anti-democratic and/or anti-popular involvement? And that with two or three exceptions; so did South-America?

[@Rune-Thief]

@@PrezVeto Chile wasn't the only country targeted in operation condor, and other destabilizing operations.

[@felixjancik6401]

​@@PrezVeto they got a working economy. They get visa

[@julianbullmagic]

There never was a contradiction between socialism and democracy. The election of Allende demonstrated that a Socialist government can be elected within a largely undemocratic Bourgoise political system.

[@jonathansaavedra8135]

You forget that Allende came to power with just 36% of the vote. That is not representative at all, that is why his government failed... The other 2 candidates were the authentic majority (the right and the political center)

[@ishredder4006]

but it also demonstrated that it's not enough to have people voting for you. You must also defend it with brute force because the bourgeois don't hold back.

[@julianbullmagic]

Yes, it's dangerous to underestimate how ruthless these people are. Fascists only think in terms of maximising self benefit.@@ishredder4006

[@catiline1]

Allende misinterpreted his presidential victory. He won by a little more than a third of the vote. What Allende should have done is slowly establish socialism and try to convince the population that his socialist policies was the future of chile. Also not be too aggressive with his foreign policies.

[@julianbullmagic]

@@catiline1 I thought it was a strong coalition of different left wing parties that agreed about most of what he was doing. The USA will try and coup whoever they don't like.

[@AL_THOMAS_777]

Very interesting ! And so nice that you mentioned him and his project. There was a wonderful DLF documentary (german radio) about it recently. Sometimes it takes half a century until the truth finally comes to light. It is indeed terrible how the project was so brutally killed off, although it actually worked quite well! And if "THEY" don't want something, then it will be destroyed with violence, weapons and bombs if necessary. By the way, Stafford came across as a great human being in the documentary, he must have been a real g r e a t guy. Just a cool Brit like that. For me personally (as a hobby economist), the programme was in fact an absolute HIGH-light of geman radio - virtually THE highlight of the year !!!!

[@ig70000]

Funny thing about that short clip about the IRS is that it’s actually from 2022 not the 1970s

[@marksanders2168]

Anglo empires always kok bloking empires because it's scared to compete.

[@laughingvampire7555]

is the natural development of all empires, the only reason for anything new to prosper against an established system is to develop secretly enough military & intelligence power, like the Arabs did when they start to take over all Roman territory in Africa and Asia.

[@rajuaditya1914]

Lol, 'scared' to compete. The only democratized technology that ever came out of the Soviet Union or a 'communist' state for that matter was the AK47, which sure received glowing endorsements from the oh so glorious Jihadists. The irony of your mockery is you use an Anglo profile name.

[@marksanders2168]

@@rajuaditya1914 literally most of the technology the united states uses now was brought from or adopted from German patents stolen in "operation paperclip".

[@raemmio2761]

@@rajuaditya1914 the ussr made the first mobile phone. Invented vaccines like for anthrax. Invented the early version of an artificial heart. First satellite launched successfully. First to get a rover into space and on Mars and Venus. First to invent the multi-stage rocket. Invented llizarov apparatus that is still used today in the medical field. The 40 hour work week. One of the best video games made “Tetris” made in the ussr. Many other things Of course red scare propaganda is something you eat up. Of course you might try to find “counters” to these achievements or just outright ignore them and start using other red scare tactics. At the end of the day most inventions are by the workers.

[@agaga5886]

@@rajuaditya1914 You'll never be english, Pajeet

[@alistairwall5470]

_Happy birthday to you, here's a military coup. You've five minutes to leave, and your family too_

[@LordKitchenersKitchenUntensils]

Was curious if I'd find a citation needed fan here

[@flaguser4196]

Cool history. I wonder what was Stafford's inspiration for his daughter's name...

[@sebastians783]

We all know the truth, porfavor, mantengan el secreto solo para el pueblo, no se vendan 🥺

[@ivanmanolo7273]

La CÍA puso a Fidel Castro en Cuba. La CÍA cuido de Fidel Castro hasta su fallecimiento.

[@Dunbar0740]

Britain elected a Socialist government in 1945. The Socialist government was voted out of power in 1951, then voted in again in 1964... Democracy and Socialism work fine when everyone abides by the democratic rules of the game.

[@smileyp4535]

Socialism is democracy, it just actually wants it everywhere, including the workplace so you would vote for your boss and such, that's why capitalists hate it and assassinate socialists when they are elected and tell people it's a dictatorship, there's a reason they talk about Stalin all the time and not people like Fred Hampton and Salvador Aliende

[@Zhicano]

The labor party was social democratic. Their aims were to improve workers conditions and not upset the economic mode of production.

[@Dunbar0740]

@@Zhicano The Labour Party was Democratic Socialist. Unlike Social Democrats the Labour Party had a commitment to the common ownership of production. When they came to power in 1945 they nationalized infrastructure, transport, heavy industry, utilities, education, healthcare, housing, etc... Their aim was to create a Socialist country within the framework of the existing rule of law and with the consent of the people via the democratic process.

[@Zhicano]

@@Dunbar0740 Social democratic parties have a tendency to do all that you said but their stated goals were never to make any attempt to transform British society's class relationship. Capitalism was still the name of the game, developed welfare programs are amenities either granted by the ruling capitalist class or fought for through political struggle by the working class. Chile was still very much a capitalist society during Allende's time but his political program was succinctly put he wanted a socialism with Chilean characteristics where the working class were put front and center.

[@frogstrap]

Social Democrats aren't Socialists (even though Europeans have used the terms interchangeably). Labour was heavily anti-communist and never wanted to transform society into something post-capitalist, they merely want friendlier capitalism, welfarism.

[@k.t.5405]

min 5:30 isn't it "Chill-uh" NOT "Cheeee-LAAAY" ?

[@Kenbomp]

Stafford beeer

[@kormak4215]

nice

[@Kilroy_washere]

Neat

[@MasterKeyMagic]

sOcIaLiSm dOeSnT wOrK

[@787Los]

State Capitalist Imperialists won’t let it work

[@MasterKeyMagic]

@@787Los I know

[@conveyor2]

It works for socialists...for a while.

[@MasterKeyMagic]

@@conveyor2 yeah until capitalists bomb, sabotage, destabilize, blockade, embargo, infiltrate, us and do everything in their power to make sure nothing ever rivals them.

[@Kj16V]

​@@conveyor2Americans uniquely can't tell the difference between socialism and communism. Everyone else can, just Americans.

[@obniamtubntsuagchannel4507]

Kv pab koj o 💯💯💯💯👍👍👍👍👍❤️👍

[@obniamtubntsuagchannel4507]

Kv pab koj o py koj pab kv o py koj

[@PrezVeto]

A country choosing to set off toward socialism democratically and a socialist society _remaining_ democratic are two very different things. Chile's envisioned transition to central planning didn't progress anywhere near far enough to provide any evidence to rebut the conceptual arguments for democratic socialism's practical impossibility.

[@ColtraneTaylor]

Thank you, but India was a socialist democracy. And while Indira Gandhi made it a police state for 2 years she was also the one to relinquish power and allowed herself to be defeated in the elections. Still was politically a better place than America has been all these decades waging war on foreigners and citizens alike.

[@Srijit1946]

@@ColtraneTaylor look at this guy's playlists. He watches PragerU, and so many other conservative pundits and grifters. It's not like he would believe the evidence he wants to see even if it existed. Chile was socialist for around 3 years, not a few weeks or months. Something which is "practically impossible" cannot last for that long. Salvador Allende genuinely believed in democracy, if anything he had way too much faith and should have been more pragmatic. Allende's democratically elected socialist government was overthrown and replaced with a genocidal, totalitarian capitalist dictatorship. There are conceptual arguments for why capitalism is incompatible with democracy, as democracy is supposed to be one person = one vote, but capitalism is one dollar = one vote (this is very simplified, of course, but conveys the point). The fact that the USA is basically a two-party corporate duopoly where lobbying (read: bribing) is such a common practice and the average person gets to choose between the socially liberal representative of the capitalist class with a blue tie or the socially conservative representative of the capitalist class with a red tie with little difference in economic and foreign policy is a testament to this fact. Capitalism always turns into something resembling this if it is not successfully resisted by labor movements. Btw, if you're interested in a rigorous Marxist analysis of India, I recommend you check out BlackFlag India's video-essay series "The C-Word".

[@ColtraneTaylor]

@@Srijit1946 Thanks, I've seen alot of Vijay Prashad but that looks like an interesting channel, will check it out. I'm not Marxist or materialist but I agree with it to some great extent. The US is beyond help and so is the UK.

[@supermanlycool]

If it's so impossible why does the CIA seem to have such a problem with it?

[@laughingvampire7555]

bs, you don't even know what democracy is.

[@filipskalic3376]

Yes Comrade 😂 lets blame westerners for our incompetence and corruption

[@lompocus]

They're Chileans, they're literally blond haired blue eyed white European Aryans ubersalles by definition.

[@FRISHR]

Chile's incompetence and corruption are funded by the CIA to begin with

[@laughingvampire7555]

there was a lot of corruption in the USSR, not in Allende's administration, the collapse of Allende was 100% work of the CIA

[@filipskalic3376]

@@laughingvampire7555 yes comrade, and work of kgb included planting daisies! Those sneaky evil cia antagonists , how dare they !

[@filipskalic3376]

@@laughingvampire7555 alende was a chatolic saint and chegevara fought for lgbt rights ! Fight the powa !!!

[@sebastians783]

All lies 🙋🏻‍♂️

[@DanteGabriel-lx9bq]

Denying reality I see. How much did the bourgeoisie wash your brain off?