How the French intelligence fixed US-France relations

[@shakiMiki]

Americans didn't let Italians decide. This is new to me. Excellent doc.

[@gj8683]

Brief but excellent documentary

[@Staro-rq9er]

Extraordinary !

[@Shankar-Bhaskar]

Great documentary!!!

[@atomic4650]

Very interesting documentary!

[@Reinaert53]

Mitterand was not a socialist, he was an oppertunist.

[@antonomaseapophasis5142]

Monarchist

[@zorbeclegras5708]

Socialist don't mean soviet.

[@Reinaert53]

@@zorbeclegras5708 Mitterand was a social democrat, and they betray socialism. the enemy in the own ranks.

[@faro717]

Mitterand ended up being a huge disappointment to the French left…personally, he was an arrogant and condescending man…

[@jean-Pierre-bt8xw]

excellent and very accurate indeed.

[@yorktown99]

I love Marcel Chalet's reasoning about operational security: BLAME THE AMERICANS.

[@repetiveredundancy]

Such a shame the French failed to protect their own KGB mole.

[@shanghaidiscovery2664]

apparently he had become paranoid, and under the influence of drink attempted to kill his mistress and in the process killed a policeman. he was sentenced to prison for manslaughter, a year before the french decided to expel those diplomats

[@georgen9755]

Have you protected ???

[@atomic4650]

He went crazy, not France's fault at all.

[@that90skid72]

Plus, he may have had few commies in his govt, but he and major commie leaders like Georges Marchais had a terrible relationship, that was widely laughed at back in the day in France.

[@opesc1]

M Mitterand was probably a gladio member or affiliate, probably was he able to reassure far more than this poor Aldo Moro. ..

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

Thanks agency

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

I dont want to stand in line every day

[@paulbriggs3072]

The fact that one of Mitterrand's best pals was from the Russian Embassy and was a KGB agent (Chetverikov) and that Mitterrand was clueless about this, speaks volumes about where so much of the Soviets' knowledge came from. This is directly because Mitterrand was a Socialist that he should be so close with a Russian diplomat and so trusting of them. And look what happened to their friendly and priceless Russian source: They clumsily gave away his identity to the Soviets who of course had him put to death. Way to go France,.Then of course they boast how great their intelligence service is when in fact the Russian agent just flat out gave them the information. They did not discover it by any sleuthing of their own.

[@yorktown99]

There was a similar problem in West Germany with Willy Brandt and Geunter Guillaume.

[@pierren___]

Still better than the USA "friendship"

[@johndavies8956]

You're not wrong but you're talking about the Soviet Union. Today's Russia is not yesteryears Soviet Union. In which case, you should have mentioned that at the time in France there was a Communist Party and movie stars like Yves Montand and his girlfriend Simone Signoret actually traveled to the Soviet Union. We're going back decades here. It was a few years after De Gaulle left the go retire.

[@mahf_mahf]

You obviously know nothing about Mitterand. He was called the Sphinx or Machiavel. He's been one of the most complex political leaders in the century. An abject character, in my opinion. But i would not be surprised if he could extract more information from the Soviets than giving anything. He was always 3 steps ahead of anyone

[@paulbriggs3072]

@@mahf_mahf So you're telling me that Mitterrand DID know that Chetverikov whom he regularly met with was a KGB agent?

[@davidproulx3933]

Listened to this documentary

[@erichall7068]

How have franco-american relations been fixed by any of this?

[@Amieto759]

No distrust anymore between France and the Reagan administration despite the leftist government in France. Had they been keen to Moscow, the French would have not hand the US Farewell….

[@JarredCamell-i6s]

Eloise Walks

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

Your water is overrated even the one propertys

[@bjam27]

American on a side, russian on the other, and us in the middle.

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

Ive got to take a dump

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

I dont want to pay 15 dollars. For a chicken

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

I dont want to pay 80 thous for a nice brand new car

[@abba3629]

French Gifted USA🇺🇸 the Statue of Liberty. 🗽🗽

[@jean-Pierre-bt8xw]

and farewell document with numerous names, especially the KGB agents which had infected/infiltrated the CIA. The blow received by KGB make that Soviets never recovered from it and has surely a big responsibility in the final fall of the soviets.

[@gotigilles1]

no

[@that90skid72]

Pretty good but one major fix here: Mitterrand was anything but a socialist. In fact, originally he was a far right guy, who once was member of a fascist group known as La cagoule. He was even rewarded by French collaborationist government of Vichy. Truth is, he decided to run as a socialist, since he couldn't make it as a right-wing politician.

[@ferragus6737]

It's more complicated than that, most biographies of Mitterrand (those I've read at least, feel free to contradict me on that point) tend to believe his conversion to left-wing politics was sincere

[@that90skid72]

@@ferragus6737 LMFAO no, it wasn't. Part of my family is French, and they remember him all too well...

[@ferragus6737]

@@that90skid72 I'm part French too and speak the language, I'm aware most French leftists resent him for his u-turn on economic policy in 1983, his "tournant de la rigueur" or turn to austerity, but he really did try to implement his programme during his first 2 years as president, which led to a disaster (part of it bc he never really was interested in the technicalities of policy-making, he never understood much about economics and was a pretty awful statesman all around, just a good strategist) To him, being a socialist meant nationalizing industries and banks left and right, not much beyond that, he did what was expected of him at first, though rather sloppily He never was a member of La Cagoule as far as we know, although he did maintain some friendships in those circles far beyond the 30s, he came from the far-right side of politics (calling him a fascist would be a bit of a stretch imo), sure, but people change, he wasn't the first French socialist to have flirted with far-right ideas in his youth (Léon Blum for instance was an admirer of Maurice Barrès, a former Boulangist who became one of the main ideologues of the French far-right alongside Maurras)

[@that90skid72]

@@ferragus6737 Ahem, one of his best buddies was the notorious René Bousquet (there are even pictures of the two of them sharing meals etc). As for his austerity measures, they were necessary, because as my grandpa used to say, he threw tons of public money down the drain, which meant that our public accounts had dried up in only two years.

[@ferragus6737]

@@that90skid72 Yeah he was a complicated man, I'm aware he maintained friendships with people such as Bousquet (who himself wasn't a fascist, a rabid antisemite and a piece of filth for sure, but more of a meek bureaucrat who used to be affiliated to the badly named center-left "radical party") among many others, including during his presidency, beyond that he admittedly still had fond memories of Pétain, whose grave he regularly visited well into the 90s, and obviously didn't mind his treatment of jewish people But that doesn't necessarily mean he was a cryptofascist or even right-wing in his later years, I'm not really fond of him so I don't want to defend him too much but still, people change, who you choose to associate with doesn't necessarily reflect your views Yup your grandfather's right that's basically it, he enacted many outdated keynesian policies to stimulate growth even though those were clearly not effective anymore, some of them were necessary ofc, I'd figured that was the reason why your family had such strong feelings about him

[@indosuprem2296]

i wish the cia do the same thing

[@jean-Pierre-bt8xw]

The thing is that CIA and MI6 were too much surveyed by KGB, ac tually, the fact it was french services which did the thing, with less power and money than the 2 other prestigious agencies,, has maybe permitted the success of Farewell... Still, the job has to be done. French even chosed an interior services to make the thing a success, instead of the SDECE (DGSE, french secret external service), it was a foxy choice, KGB didn't expect that DST would do that sort of job OUTSIDE of France. The funny of the thing is that Reagan didn't capt the thing at the very first information by Mitterand. it's George Bush (the father not the stupid son) which finally will catch the opportunity to obtain a decisive win for the West (because of the French, but shhh, no one can believe the French able to do that sort of success).

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

On numerous acasions

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

Ive also tasted poo in my food

[@010bobby]

Farewell/ Petrov fell into French lap.. he was a dissatisfied KGB agent.. the French did not recruited him.. they were just lucky..

[@jean-Pierre-bt8xw]

Still, he didn't go to call MI6 or CIA, and the greatest counter-spy affair against KGb is the fact of the French... no need to be a sore looser. I know French are considered as the lazy cowards or CESM in US/U sphere, and it must be a harsh moment, a bitter one, that a french service permitted to find that CIA was greatly infected/infiltrated by KGB (the N° 2 or N°3 of the CIA was even a KGB agent, ouch, that hurts)... The fact Petrov chose France doesn't mean it would forcely be a success, it's the french services which made it a success, more than 10 months without being suspected by KGB is a true success and prove the value of the french poor but efficient services. C'est la vie...

[@leonidasthermopylae3378]

you are bitter 😁

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

Govt bully

[@williamnelson9332]

Very very good

[@samdumaquis2033]

Shale they didn't protect the mole, how do you expect others to defect ?

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

Some people deserve to be here you one of dem sorry u no go home not my prob prob still a menace

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

And yes i have tasted clean pee and baby pee

[@stupidburp]

France was also doing industrial espionage at the time.

[@mahf_mahf]

everyone does. even today. the NSA spied on Merkel... i bet the US could easily get some coveted german industrial secrets as well...

[@lours6993]

You mean like the US is doing full-time?

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

What are you 7 years old sweety

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

I need god

[@Aluminata]

I don't trust Macron.

[@philippevalois381]

Traitor to France.

[@thornil2231]

WHO ARE YOU? WHAT DO YOU REPRESENT?

[@johndavies8956]

In the US and in Europe there is a distinct distrust of Macron who, as native Americans would say, speaks with a forked tongue. A self appointed heir to Angela Merkel he is a poor carbon copy. Macron grandstands at the Elysee while Merkel lived in an apartnent with her husband. Merkel was fluent in Russian having spent much of her life in East Germany till the Wall came down.

[@Seekaroom]

There wouldn't be a war in Ukraine if Merkel had remained in power

[@OneOfThoseTypes]

​@@SeekaroomThere wouldn't be a war in Ukraine if putin hadn't invaded, you meant to say.

[@Seekaroom]

@@OneOfThoseTypes it's the same causal chain

[@OneOfThoseTypes]

@@Seekaroom No it's not. One single man is responsible for the invasion, nobody else.

[@raphaelperrin18]

yeah right and what a model merkel is, building all of the german economy on russian gas, coal energy and shutting down all the nuclear plant. No wonder the russian thought they could freely invade ukraine. Merkel is sadly partly responsible of the situation we have today.

[@thornil2231]

This is so awful. Mittererand betrayed the people who elected him.

[@philippevalois381]

tout à fait exact!

[@lawrenceweston922]

Could be worse, in Pakistan our military overthrows and executes politicians & media, tortures people, and grapes women.

[@patscott8612]

Maybe he was useless. He had the bearing of a king which made reassured some centrists and right wing voters. Many French always seem to want their President to appear regal but also have the common touch. Understandable but hard to achieve.

[@zorbeclegras5708]

What a misunderstanding of the french socialism!

[@bjam27]

Russians did not elect Mitterrand. For the communist party, well, they were "le dindon de la farce".

[@alexwhite7756]

I prefer that a video be in one language. If French was dubbed by English, it would be much easier for me.

[@mahf_mahf]

first you cannot learn languages, second you cannot read in your own language ? ... well... there seems to be quite a few obstacles in your path to knowledge and personal growth. No pain no gain

[@starventure]

Duolingo. Get busy on it. It is worth it.

[@MichaelTule-w2m]

Almost everything you brought to the table is overated

[@DemetriusSorvo]

I always thought French Intelligence was an oxymoron?

[@pierren___]

Youre an oxy mor0n

[@kolimarvelcor3104]

I always thought that the verb to think was not in the vocabulary of Americans

[@zorbeclegras5708]

"How can you trust people who read Mickey Mouse" General De Gaulle

[@mahf_mahf]

Funny as the words "espionage" or "intelligence" are direct French imports into the English language. But you know the greek "oxymoron", i'll give you that. You're certainly part of the 0.5% brightest minds in your country. Goiod job

[@gotigilles1]

are you serious

[@veaccara]

ally? vassal and suzerain more like it