How The God Hand Manipulated Griffith Into Joining Them - Berserk Theories About God Hand - Explored

Griffith's dream was shattered, leaving him broken and yearning for his past glory. Enter the God Hand, a malevolent force who tempts him with a dark bargain. In this Berserk analysis, we delve into the manipulative tactics used by the God Hand to turn Griffith from a charismatic leader to Femto, the fifth member. We'll explore their exploitation of Griffith's despair, the twisted visions they presented, and the cunning whispers that ultimately led him down a path of damnation.
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[@AncestorEmpire1]

Griffinth was selling out before he became Femto

[@benparrish672]

Yup. He gave up his b#++ for power. Plus, for Griffith to not smash Casca for yrs, until Griffith could pretend she was Guts, shows Griffith was g@y from the jump

[@JR-zp3nw]

The Godhand needed Griffith more than he needed them which is why things were manipulated to _their_ ends

[@TallicaMan1986]

I think this is true. I think the fundamental problem with the god hand is how strict they are in maneuvering around Causality. Skull Knight barely exists and is almost out of the story. Guts I think is within the interstice and simultaneously In and Out of the story. Rickert. I truly he believe he is The Enlightened One and will bring about some sort of technological renaissance bringing people out of the darkness.

[@RetireandGo]

It is the great question. Was Griffith manipulated or was it his desire to become a member of the God Hand all along.

[@JR-zp3nw]

He wasn't aware of the Godhand _until_ the eclipse though.

[@RetireandGo]

@@JR-zp3nw true Was it a power desire Did he want some , any, angle to rule all?

[@vladirimus2689]

It's suggested that not everything is deterministic by the "leaping fish" analogy in the case of Guts. So it was his desire to become a member, but could have decided otherwise.

[@testoftimegaming5219]

he makes it very clear that he wants his own kingdom at any cost

[@sjkclau]

I believe it's still his choice in the end. It would be boring if it's because he doesn't have free will. BUT What I know is that they meddled too much in his life to get him to that point. They probably manipulated his encounters, it shielded him from deaths, his misfortunes, and when he lost the behelit it still came back to him. They rise him up above only for them to take it all away for him to feel the despair and hopelessness. And his feelings for Guts is the catalyst of it all. When he left, he was devastated. lol But yea it was portrayed conflicting in the manga. At first Slan said that it will be his will to sacrifice but after that, Void said something that its meant to happen 🤷🤷 So idk really. It's conflicting.

[@anthermarg55]

Griffith still would have sacrifice his friends earlier if he knew how to

[@Fixundfertig1]

When I go to the KFC I always ask for wings 😎

[@Chazreal]

Griffith always wanted acknowledgement from a higher societal caste, his pursuit for validation in the eyes of the noble elite drove Griffith down their path of machiavellian manipulation for the pursuit of his own ends. What's tragic is that his ambitions can be anyone's ambitions at any time, regardless of caste for greed knows no equal, especially in the real world circumstances as they are. The more economically desperate society becomes, the more depraved the populace becomes, all the more willing for demonic influence.

[@MrCount987]

You forgot to mention moment when he looked in to Guts and said that he was the only one out of thousands of comrades and enemies that made him forget his dream. And then he say ..crifice...

[@taraungoogle8482]

Griffith was always an evil psychopath, he saw every person he ever met as his property and play things. His favorites were Guts and Casca which is why he never killed them immediately. 😑

[@bjornsmith9431]

Griffith secretly wanted to take Casca, to bang town but the worse at the eclipse was Griffith idea of sexual pleasure for is girlfriend.

[@taraungoogle8482]

@@bjornsmith9431 He did more than bang chicks, he did guys as well. He saw everyone he ever knew as property and nothing else.

[@thabangsibanda3282]

This is not true, Griffith as a human cared about the hawks, not as friends but as his soldiers, his brothers in arms he's responsible for and he feels burdened by their death when they died on the battlefield. Griffith sold his himself for money for the band of the hawk's sake, Griffith also mourned his fallen comrades on the battlefield, we see this when Casca was talking to Guts about her past. one of the requirements of becoming a demon is to sacrifice the people you care about, and guess whom Griffith sacrificed?, the hawks why? He cared about them.

[@sjkclau]

The sacrifice won't be successful if he didn't care for them 😂😂 he could have easily kill guts and Casca but he let them escape. Once he got reborn, he visited them but still did not kill them. 😂😂

[@sjkclau]

@@thabangsibanda3282 it's war it's a battlefield. Ofc there's sacrifices and deaths the you can't anticipate. It's a freaking war. It's not like he forced them to join the army. Iirc he gave them a choice. So they consented. It's up to them if they'll join or not. And ofc it's normal to dream to climb the hierarchy 😂 humans are still doing that till now. Corporate ladder shit 😂 and if someone like Julius or the queen who want you killed, ofc you'd retaliate.

[@doneywolf]

What if the falcon of light and darkness was technically the same person I.E Griffinn and the moon light boy

[@Viktor-qe9lz]

All the real homies hate Griffith.

[@ianvanterpool7046]

....Thus Griffith wasn't wrong 😂 all joking aside I felt this way when reading berserk and watching it as well , no one is perfect in the world but his choices and the stuff that happened to him seemed too controlled and we've seen the times when he acted like any of us would which wouldn't make him anymore different than us ,poor guy was and is still being manipulated , you've explained this all in great detail , we appreciate your work

[@sjkclau]

Technically he wasnt wrong if you base it on their world. Besides I think berserk is also inspired by Nietzsche theme that basically says nothing is inherently good or evil. Something to that degree. He was just a kid when they handed him the behelit. Imagine all the other manipulation they did and how they deeply meddled in his formative years and how they shape his ideals.

[@TheLemonlime55]

Bad anime/manga…. Not once did I hear or read “Its berserkin’ time”

[@bulletproofrecon1082]

The point being made is the future doesn’t actually exist. Therefore, fate does not exist. Predictions can be made but those predictions are only based solely off of past events, not future ones. In order to create a future for someone the way you want it, you must ensure that each step taken is deliberate and you must manipulate. That still isn’t fate, that is forced manipulation. For example: Zodd wouldn’t have to intervene to save Griffith from Wild if fate existed. The Godhand wouldn’t need to say a single word for Griffith to accept his role. Godhand only use the term fate based off what Void states. There’s no such thing as true fate, only those with power to make change and those without. That point is being made by Guts.

[@hopefulbadger2160]

I understand where this video is coming from, but I think that the whole point is to some extent that the god hand will just choose the people that are already driven and blind enough to accept the deal. Yeah I understand that to some extent they had a hand in nudging Griffith along - - or at least it can be read that way. More realistically, with the insight of the lost chapter, I think... If anything the god hand and berserks god itself, they are the representation of the worst parts of ourselves. Like as a species. Of all of our hate and all of our greed, all of the things that the apostles tend to value. And I think that within that, saying that the god hand manipulated Griffith into doing it... It's kind of like saying Griffith's emotions manipulated him into doing it. Because I think that they're a reflection of that.

[@sjkclau]

He was just a kid when they gave him the behelit. Imagine just being a kid, the god hands are already manipulating your formative years, shaping your ideals and personality thru different encounters and circumstances. We've seen how Griffith escape deaths many times, when he lost the behelit it miraculously appear to him in his lowest time, Zodd saved him from another apostle, etc etc.

[@sjkclau]

He was manipulated in the ceremony. They used his guilt towards him. A lot has been dead, why stop now. So in his mind, if he stop now , all the deaths that happened within his leadership would all be in vain.

[@sjkclau]

If lost chapter is indeed canon, basically Griffith doesn't have a choice. It was said there that he is the manifestation of IoE. They planned his existence for years, alters historical context, where he was gonna born, shape his formative years, almost every facet of his existence. If IoE is indeed canon, you can say that they meddled too much in Griffith life that it would be impossible to have ur free will.

[@syrusbran1978]

A man of sheer fucking will, and willing to sacrafice. Still my fav tho

[@jocsanabdala9456]

It’s cool how there’s 5 members of the godHAND. 5 fingers.

[@burn1none]

love your content guys. just want to help Al Gorithm

[@ianperry4974]

I’d find it very interesting if berserk ended with Griffith turning against the hand and helping guys destroy them

[@asHERAheraCLEsLOrdgodKI-bp7fn]

My theory, you've heard it here first.. I believe the answer as to if the god hand manipulated Griffith lies in one of Miura's claim regarding Berserk's end that : Void is the Key And i believe that resuming the right connections between Void and Gaiseric VS Griffith and Guts throughout Berserk story is the key.. For instance, we don't know much about Void's past but one of the element in his story that striked me the most was : That 1000 years ago, as the Sage that has been imprisoned, Void is said to have been TORTURED in the TOWER OF CONVICTION before becoming a God Hand.. Who has been tortured 1000 years later for a year in a TOWER(the tower of rebirth) before going into a sacrificial ceremony (?) Exactly : Griffith 1000 years ago, it is said that 4 or 5 angels were involved on Gaiseric's empire destruction. 1000 years later the god hand add a new member to their group of 4, Femto/Griffith making them 5 1000 years ago, we don't know if it was the sage who made the sacrifice for his own ambition or if he has been pushed to do so but notice the similarity between his situation and the one of Griffith again : I believe the Sage as Void became the fifth god hand member out of despair.. Notice also that there is an ambiguity as to know exactly the number of Angel(4 or 5)involved in Gaiseric kingdom doom. Here is the cliffhanger : what if it was because of king Gaiseric becoming the Skull knight(?) What if Gaiseric was a God Hand and that his aim was simply to no longer fulfill that role and force it to someone else (Void) ? I also believe that it is the Sage or Void who has been manipulated/forced by Gaiseric to become a God Hand and usher Gaiseric empire fall, not the other way around.. So as to Gaiseric going into a neverending journey/night as the Skull Knight for an obscure agenda.. Remember Void is the Key : Void who is said to have the ability to manipulate space as we see him redirecting Skull Knight sword of behelit against SK. Great !! Another parallel with Griffith (!) Who redirected that same Skull Knight's sword to Ganishka with a power involving space manipulation and did usher the great wave of the astral world(or the flood..) Like a certain Void and angels said to be the cause of the last empire cataclysm.. Now to all Berserk fan, i believe the Genius of Berserk story can only be understood in this light. What if actually the 'vilain' of the story was Gaiseric/Skull Knight (?) What if the manipulated ones were in fact Void and now Griffith (?) What if Void is the key to Griffith's NEVERENDING fate ? Someone who has fulfilled all his goal/dream and who can no longer dream off one bigger anymore, someone hollow : Femto What if the Genius of Berserk story was actually to set out an example as to what lies AFTER an ambition that is said to be absolute/narcissistic is set into reality (?) Once the goal of such ambition is reached and such narcissism gets to this sense of absolute power.. Will it be an eternal 'fantasy' or a nightmare (?) Once the absolute dream is realized, it can no longer be consider as a dream.. And what dream after the absolute realisation of the greatest dream ever would be greater than the best dream EVER (?).. : Exactly no such dream exist, NO such THING, or nothing. Therefore what would unfold after for the one who found himself in such a fantasy is a meaningless life without a dream WORTHY to be ever achieved, a neverending cycle/VOID without the STRUGGLE or the spark/excitement that come with life and being limited.. Notice that by throwing the STRUGGLE out of his life/the story : Femto becoming a nigh-omnipotent being, implicitly immortal (as long as the world tree exist and people believe in him) completely misses the point of what makes a dream worthy to be achieved in the first place : the STRUGGLE that he left to Guts hand.. And Guts actually has nothing to do to win against Femto, as he already won by staying WHOLE to himself while Griffith gave up what makes him whole, his humanity to his ambition but the readers should have realized it sooner.. Guts can win by 'losing' meaning doing nothing and let Femto have his fate resume if he can't step out of his own story.. The genius of Berserk is to show the fate of Narcissism and Absolute Ambition before/in regard to what is considered eternal and to affirm the preeminence of something greater than a story of Absoluty and Power, because if there is an idea of Evil according to the lore of Berserk, there is also an idea of Good, who is greater, that is GOD crystallized as the Goodness in Griffith, the Moonlight Boy in Berserk.. To finish my theory : Can Femto even with all his power unalive himself ? Can Satan cast Satan out of himself(?) ... Matthew 12 : 26 "If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?" And here is the last scoop, Griffith/Femto has to get out of this neverending 'fantasy' he set out on himself because Guts obviously is human and will one day die (!) The solution for Femto would be to reconcile with that part of humanity he left behind with Guts and Casca(the moonlight boy).. Maybe Casca might help Femto through the moonlight boy realize the absolute absurdity/foolishness of his goal and that he has in fact already lost terribly against Guts since Griffith gave up the struggle absolutely against that very same destiny(the god hand and behind them Skull Knight endless night of persecution) Guts struggled with.. For that only time(Void)and maybe Casca will make Griffith realize the gravity of his mistake which is to sell out himself to a neverending doom.. בֶּ֙רַע֙

[@greedling6811]

we! R! Berserk!

[@floppytitz992]

Question Does the god hand have a released state as well If so hw much of a power increase u think they'd get as god hands 😅

[@zurc_bot]

If things are predestined can there be manipulation?

[@DatDarkOne]

That is a very interesting question. The God Hand keeps saying everything is predetermined, but yet there is also manipulation of one's free choice.

[@sjkclau]

A long game of manipulation untill it leads to you taking that choice. Idk man hahaha the slug count was able to deny the offer

[@crocjump]

what is the name of the song playing during the 1 minuite mark?

[@johnnny9]

bro you should credit the artist hungrymonkey9 if you gona use his art as the thumbnail

[@Trust_Ty]

what about the concept of evil thingy

[@Luhrob09]

Technically not canon but technically is

[@Trust_Ty]

@@Luhrob09 it’s in the manga. Doesn’t get much more canon than that

[@sjkclau]

@@Trust_Ty so he was doomed from the start? If it's canon, what actions of Griffith is considered his? Is his personality his own or just a product of Idea of Evil machinations? What about his feelings? If everything about him is a product of Idea of evil machinations, what is even real about him? So he is just a vessel for the IoE? I don't get it

[@joshuaparker9208]

Ya don’t get it

[@user-gb7qs7jn3s]

I always laugh when people talk about grifith like he was always femto, he becomes such a compellingly evil villain that it triggers baby hitler logic in the less intelligent, best manga yet

[@rainphantom]

They did not. what are you talking about?

[@Nerdynerdsonthenerd]

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