How the Most Popular Opening is Played at EVERY Rating

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Jonathan Schrantz

Jonathan Schrantz

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@JonathanSchrantz
@JonathanSchrantz 2 жыл бұрын
What other openings would you like to see explored at each rating level?
@cz19856
@cz19856 2 жыл бұрын
this line of the alapin: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. c3 Nf6 4. Be2 Nc6 5. d4 cxd4 6. cxd4
@ReiAyasuka
@ReiAyasuka 2 жыл бұрын
*The Sicilian*
@giakhangdeptraivocungtan
@giakhangdeptraivocungtan 2 жыл бұрын
Fried Liver Attack, i'll be rolling on the floor if you do it lol 🤣🤣🤣
@itayn6422
@itayn6422 2 жыл бұрын
Milner barry or Smith morra gambits
@jonathanbernhard5418
@jonathanbernhard5418 2 жыл бұрын
French Winawer, Poison pawn variation would be interesting to see
@DeBert
@DeBert 2 жыл бұрын
It's an opening database so it stops after the opening, e.g. 25 moves. The games are clickable and not all draws :-).
@bertoldopleari7779
@bertoldopleari7779 2 жыл бұрын
true indeed
@michiknoedler
@michiknoedler 2 жыл бұрын
And you see in the statistics 1 game win, 1 game draw, 1 game loss. To explore how it continues after 25 moves you have to open the games separately.
@stephenphelps920
@stephenphelps920 Жыл бұрын
idk why they dont add the middle game database
@AaronSmith-sx4ez
@AaronSmith-sx4ez 2 жыл бұрын
Topic Suggestion: Download the latest version of Stockfish, crank up the settings, and have it play itself for just the opening moves for a long time control...maybe even hours for each move on a fast computer. Based on this you could do a "Best opening according to Stockfish" video. When I did it for about 10 minutes a move, Stockfish said the best opening possible was the Catalan. Another video topic might be to have Stockfish crunch/evaluate the popular openings and defenses separately. eg "What Stockfish thinks of the Scandinavian defense"
@shambhav9534
@shambhav9534 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what Lc0 would do. It always thinks that there's an advantage, when indeed, it's a draw. But, ironically enough, it's much more likely to draw than say, Komodo. In season 22 of the TCEC, Stockfish vs KomodoDragon, there were 63 draws. In season 21, Stockfish vs LCZero, there were 74 draws. I'm really interested in seeing what it likes to do. I don't have a fancy GPU, so I've never been able to see.
@dm9910
@dm9910 2 жыл бұрын
@@shambhav9534 Lc0 loves the Catalan too
@anthonychen3262
@anthonychen3262 2 жыл бұрын
Would recommend kzbin.info who is doing a pretty in-depth series on exactly what you're talking about
@gregorymorse8423
@gregorymorse8423 2 жыл бұрын
Hours or days isn't enough. From the starting position there is simply too much raw computation. Instead you learn about the heuristics used in the engine causing preference to certain openings. So nice try, but this is objectively not so smart. Remember engine depth also prunes the search tree, and can miss important lines, it's not a true computational depth. Engines are approximations not exact to sneak around the computational infeasability. But it makes them have some amount of error which in a game like chess could be difference between win an draw - everything.
@gregorymorse8423
@gregorymorse8423 2 жыл бұрын
I mean think about it if this was correct super GMs would solve chess on their supercomputers. Basically the way to find lines is to have engines crunch after making *non ideal moves* and taking interest when the depth somehow realizes that it was wrong to begin with and beings the eval back. Using engines to search for interesting lines which require overriding their advanced heuristics, is possible, and I suspect super GMs have paid programmers to write simple scripts to do things like this.
@louisparry-mills9132
@louisparry-mills9132 2 жыл бұрын
this is a fantastic idea for a series, really 10/10 concept, excited to see more
@gregorymorse8423
@gregorymorse8423 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great new unique idea for a video, really enjoyed it as an 1800. You've been posting a lot lately which is awesome. Hope to see the channel hit 100k soon
@KakoriGames
@KakoriGames 2 жыл бұрын
The timing of this videos is impeccable, I did a similar exploration just a few days ago to see what the most popular line were at the lower levels and stumbled upon the Greco Gambit. Another opening that I think would be a lot of fun to explore is the Morphy Defense of the Ruy Lopez.
@robertehrenworth3310
@robertehrenworth3310 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting (& informative) video.
@juhonieminen4219
@juhonieminen4219 2 жыл бұрын
In lichess database you can also narrow down the years. I wonder how the theory might have changed in the last 15 years. Have popular streamers made certain dubious gambits more common in lower levels etc?
@patrikschoupal9926
@patrikschoupal9926 2 жыл бұрын
but you haven't filtered 1600 to 1800 only, right? so it is a bit skewed, because you was just cutting out the bottom levels.
@adnansadik376
@adnansadik376 2 жыл бұрын
I was expecting a very informative video and I got that. But I wasn't expecting that ending clip. Pretty cool!
@cameronhendricks5967
@cameronhendricks5967 2 жыл бұрын
16:25 Lichess actually only lets you go 25 moves deep in the opening explorer for some weird reason
@ferlucey
@ferlucey 2 жыл бұрын
It's just a bug in lichess. If you open any of those master games in a new tab, you'll see that it lasted longer 25-th move. Thank you for the content, I really like it :)
@benb4728
@benb4728 2 жыл бұрын
I assume it is a feature to reduce the load on the server
@ReiAyasuka
@ReiAyasuka 2 жыл бұрын
Having watched this I might take my opponent's strength even more into consideration when building my opening repertoire.
@notyourdad
@notyourdad 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, I'm definitely no master level player but my mind immediately went to the Qxf6 line.
@sashaboydcom
@sashaboydcom 2 жыл бұрын
Cool idea, I found it quite fascinating
@Xmask19
@Xmask19 2 жыл бұрын
oh the opening book stops at move 25. Also I think I somehow have a correspondence game that has mostly followed the final line you gave and that passed pawn is causing me worry.
@franciscogalan8017
@franciscogalan8017 2 жыл бұрын
Incredibly interesting video. Thanks!
@Sowboi1985
@Sowboi1985 2 жыл бұрын
Love the video! More please! Can you please do the nimzo Larsen attack as white? 😇
@artcamp7
@artcamp7 2 жыл бұрын
great video concept
@UrnestHemingouey
@UrnestHemingouey 2 жыл бұрын
That returned me to my youth
@bertoldopleari7779
@bertoldopleari7779 2 жыл бұрын
I would love for your next vid on this, to filter out all the hyperbullet and bullet games (I would personally filter out blitz games too, but I can see reasons why one would keep em)
@nicovanderwilt7502
@nicovanderwilt7502 2 жыл бұрын
I played 30 years e4. Offcourse i studyd d4 lines but now i am even better with d4 than e4. So i only play d4 c4 nowadays. I have a 89% winst ratio with White and 86% with Black. I used to play only Scheveningen sicillian but i started to master the french sicillian. 2 years ago i only won 70% of my games. I am online now 2500. So i improved and i think i'm @ my best now. Not going to be better as i am. I totally understand chess and all the Theory with openings or endgames middlegames. Well with a good talent and consistency you can become a True master in chess. But to reach this super gm rank seems nearly impossible. These guys don't make common mistakes.
@DavidEmerling79
@DavidEmerling79 2 жыл бұрын
That's a very interesting way to do analysis, by asking, "What are the most popular ways of playing at various rating level?"
@sebastionlucas7477
@sebastionlucas7477 2 жыл бұрын
Really glad for the insight bless
@seyedsinanaghibiirvani5161
@seyedsinanaghibiirvani5161 2 жыл бұрын
I always wondered this😂😍
@Qwazim0d00
@Qwazim0d00 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I think the openings explorer only goes to move 25.
@darrellphelps9552
@darrellphelps9552 2 жыл бұрын
yes, this is instructive research, thanx. Do them all-
@williamblake7386
@williamblake7386 2 жыл бұрын
Schrantz convinced me that Black is strong af
@Danumurti18
@Danumurti18 Жыл бұрын
Wow didn't know that trap before
@Danumurti18
@Danumurti18 Жыл бұрын
This is crazy, I don't want to play e4/e5 anymore
@EarthSurferUSA
@EarthSurferUSA 2 жыл бұрын
2500 rated players are the top 99.9% on Lichess? Or the top .1%? Have you been playing Chess too long? :)
@Cruz0e
@Cruz0e 2 жыл бұрын
eye-talian game lol:D
@biffboffo
@biffboffo 2 жыл бұрын
Historically, I've tested in the top 2% on IQ tests and SATs and that kind of stuff. However, I was not introduced to chess at a young age, so I continue to struggle despite playing so many games and consuming so much chess content. My main problem is I don't know when to stop and calculate. I can do the calculation, but I don't. It seems dumb and it's hard to explain why I carry this deficiency. Somehow I still love the game even though I feel like I should be a better player.
@juhonieminen4219
@juhonieminen4219 2 жыл бұрын
I started playing chess at age 39, when the pandemic broke up. My blitz skills are still quite bad (1200), because I'm old and slow, but I have learned a lot of theory by playing Daily games / correspondence. I try to play 8-12 games simultaniously, with similar openings, like 4 times queens gambit and 4 times scandinavian. I watch videos daily and try to understand what the openings are about and how to play sidelines. Slowly my positional understanding is developing and I do tactics puzzles also. It takes years to develop the intuition to apot an opportunity for tactics and when to calculate.
@vladislavchessmate1567
@vladislavchessmate1567 2 жыл бұрын
I have new updated variation of Greco. It starts after 1.e4 e5. 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Bc5. 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 ed 6. cd Bb4+ 7. Nc3
@NadavPeled93
@NadavPeled93 2 жыл бұрын
The classical Ruy Lopez (3...Bc5) is not common. Also, after d4 exd4, e5 is the way to go - you get a *lot* of space because unlike in the Greco, black can't reply with d5 (counterattacking the bishop on c4)
@rosiefay7283
@rosiefay7283 2 жыл бұрын
0:48 Too bad lichess doesn't let you see what opening is played the most times by 200s.
@williamsmith8640
@williamsmith8640 2 жыл бұрын
Me a 930 rated player seeing that the database lowest is 1600....
@wellusee
@wellusee 2 жыл бұрын
Now that was good 😯
@nyatto
@nyatto 2 жыл бұрын
First time I hear someone pronounce italian as eye-talian
@charliep726
@charliep726 2 жыл бұрын
Dam 17 mins and I get a not really lol I was pumped
@Joseferberger
@Joseferberger 2 жыл бұрын
Why do these players know so much theory?
@shawnburnham1
@shawnburnham1 2 жыл бұрын
11:00
@mikoshino
@mikoshino 2 жыл бұрын
liking that content more and more HEY SUBSCRIBE worked okay xD
@since1876
@since1876 2 жыл бұрын
It'd be fun to see Magnus and a handful of other super GMs all playing this to see what they all decide to do. I bet it'd really be fun to watch
@nicovanderwilt7502
@nicovanderwilt7502 2 жыл бұрын
Super gm's play d4 c4 or even catalan. Magnus does it a lot. E4 is not played unleash they think the opponent has a weakness in the Sicillian. The naidorf and the dragon sicillian has to be played a 100% correct or it will fail @master level.
@since1876
@since1876 2 жыл бұрын
@@nicovanderwilt7502 I mean from the position this guy gets into in the video. Not sure if I understood whether or not your response was from the same position 🥺
@vladpetre5674
@vladpetre5674 2 жыл бұрын
Chess is a draw!
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