How the Movie MoneyBall Ruined the Oakland A's

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[@SalvationMan]

dude you can't cash a cheque from RAID shadow legends this year...not in 2023. smh

[@Gemnist98]

I miss the old “Baseball Doesn’t Exist” intro…

[@4815162342sbf]

Seriously? Fuck RAID

[@dispatcher22z20]

sellout you just promoted a gambling game to children

[@bloodwrage]

Blink twice if you’re in danger, BNE

[@CZsWorld]

Baseball Doesn't Exist is like: "Scruffy Gruff McJackson is one of the most beloved players in baseball history. But in 1961, he played for two teams at the same time, on drugs, while the FBI was trying to kill him with a sniper in a helicopter that was circling the stadium during his outing. He also ate A-Rod's spleen, starred in a movie and sold over 55 varieties of holiday cards to the mafia 45 minutes before game time. And despite all of this, he still managed to win league MVP -- 13 seasons in a row."

[@drew9597]

I can never look at a intro of his the same ever again lmaooo

[@VinceLyle2161]

It totally is like that...and I love it.

[@skidrat55]

Lmaoooooo this is incredible

[@PinkFloydBootlegs]

while also promoting the most disgusting and deplorable ads on KZbin, like online gambling. Fuck this guy.

[@LateNightTableCo]

Id love to see BDE actually read this out with the intro music playing behind it. Better yet, make it a contest and the winner gets a little cameo in a future video or something

[@fromulus]

One thing nobody talks about with the moneyball technique, it constantly leaves fans feeling depressed watching players they grow attached to unceremoniously traded away/not re-signed. As a Red Sox fan, I'm really starting to learn that.

[@Rastley85]

absolutely. probably at least half of the attendance problem. besides the fact that the stadium seems to be in war crime territory.

[@sandycrash8868]

It also doesn’t work the other way around either Yankees fan keeping the same players overpaying them and watching them choke on playoffs

[@warlordofbritannia]

You guys are so whiny and spoiled One year at 78-84 in the toughest division and baseball and it’s the end of the word to you

[@warlordofbritannia]

Btw, I’m also a Red Sox fan and a diehard one at that

[@kyleghilani6386]

@@warlordofbritannia the thing we’re upset about is watching all of our homegrown talent leave the Red Sox without us getting anything in return

[@jjreddick377]

MC hammer being an executive in the MLB is the most unexpected thing I’ve heard in years

[@leo_wentzel]

Hello JJ Reddick, enjoyed your time on the Sixers! :D

[@sdeepj]

He got the name MC Hammer because the players thought he looked like Hank Aaron

[@TylerMcVeigh1]

I did a double take when I heard that part and had to check it for myself because it sounds so out there!

[@rocknroll7316]

I actually thought it came from a movie because I think there was actually a movie with a kid as a field Mgr or GM

[@jun6174]

Who knows if it's even true because not once when Hammer was on the charts did anyone ever say he was anything other than a batboy for the A's. Literally was never mentioned in all of the stories and interviews at that time.

[@johnronald9767]

“There are rich teams and there are poor teams, then there’s 50ft of crap, then there’s us” - Billy Beane

[@daveyboy_]

2004 Montreal Expos . Hold my beer

[@Dualities]

Sports without proper tournaments and rankings are not worth watching

[@LarrySalamander]

*Brad Pitt

[@madmikeschannel8128]

⁠@@Dualities playoffs and standings.

[@sEaNoYeAh]

​@@Dualities serious sport needs relegation and promotion, and to not allow stagnation and complacency.

[@cosmiccatholic2838]

I'm convinced Baseball Doesn't Exist could literally say anything, and I would believe him no questions asked. "Donaldson then went into the crowd, punched a woman, became Mormon, stole every fan's left shoe, and caused a tornado to appear over the entire state of Ohio, just because the ump called what appeared to be a ball, a strike." and I'd be like, "Dang, that's crazy."

[@zedramer]

I'm going to be suuuuper sus if they release a video on April 1st.

[@unevenly4376]

Can't even watch baseball in ohio

[@AndreIguodalaFan55]

@@unevenly4376 nah Cleveland and Cincinnati in ohio

[@billydaniel5029]

I read that in his voice

[@SilentInferno]

@@billydaniel5029 It's crazy how different his voice sounds on BDE compared to listening to him on Baseball is Dead.

[@2011blueman]

The moneyball strategy works when everyone else isn't doing it. When every other team is using the same analytics then you're not getting undervalued players, you're just getting cheap players. It makes a big difference.

[@supergoose5142]

not really true. there's always a new edge to be gained, which is why the Rays have been such a juggernaut the past few years. In response to statistics-based evaluation such as what the A's did, teams are somewhat looping back around to more traditional scouting methods backed by data. For example, I read something a while ago about the Giants using highspeed footage to find and correct inefficiencies in a player's hitting/pitching mechanics, in an effort to tease out more power or velocity. Pitching in general is still a great unknown, and teams still have an imperfect understanding of what makes a pitcher "good". The Cubs have focused recently on a seam-shifted wake approach (a concept I still don't really understand tbh, but to my understanding it basically boils down to sinker/slider pitchers instead of the 4-seam/curve pitchers that were popular in the 2010s). The Brewers have heavily focused on pitchers who throw from weird angles. I don't think the market will ever evaluate players with 100% efficiency. Baseball is way too unpredictable and there are way too many ways for a player to be successful for there to not be some subset of players who are undervalued by the market. The undervalued group may change from time to time, but I think it'll always be there.

[@2011blueman]

@@supergoose5142 You say not true, and then went on a diatribe basically confirming exactly what I said. You're describing clubs that were doing new data analytics that the other clubs weren't using and how they were successful. It's an arms race of data analytics to gain an edge, but it's only an edge if everyone else isn't doing what you're doing.

[@jefflewis4]

Yep true for any suscessful baseball strategy or trend. If a team is very successful with it the other teams are sure to adopt it.

[@supergoose5142]

@@2011blueman sorry, not really following what you're saying. my point was the new market inefficiency is in player development. Finding new ways to develop players to their full potential will always be an exploitable inefficiency because of how many different ways there are to successfully develop players. There will never be a "one-size fits all" way to develop players, so there will always be an exploitable market inefficiency

[@kylehankins5988]

Once everyone is doing it the “baseball market” values players accurately.

[@jameskim1505]

20 plus years of As fan here, The movie Money Ball did not ruin the club, it's the current owner group that kills the As.

[@RobertJW]

All my homies hate Fisher.

[@hdogg00]

Correct.

[@Hamboarding]

True 😢

[@matthewkidder5049]

As a disenfranchised A's fan, for decades. It's really sad to admit all this is true. Ownership hates the city and fans but refuse to sell, the city is hesitant on helping with a stadium because of the relationship, and the fans are the ones all getting screwed.

[@TheBanshee90]

The city doesn't have money to keep the team. SF already had a football and Baseball team so it makes sense that Raiders and A's are leaving. I'd say also the Raiders and A's ownership are probably 2 of the poorest in their respective leagues.

[@MrTycobb25]

Sounds like the exact same formula used by the Colorado Rockies.

[@seanthomas1552]

@@TheBanshee90 A's ownership is part of the GAP empire...they have plenty of money. JOhn Fischer is the 12th richest owner in Baseball.

[@shaunnichols1743]

The Raiders are partly to blame. The city of Oakland is still in debt from the renovations the demanded in the 90s. The Coliseum would likely be in far better shape right now, and the worst part is that entire Mt Davis structure is pretty much useless for baseball.

[@smallworldbigworld-yi3xw]

No city should pay for a rich man's house.

[@shampoo768]

After literally almost a decade of hearing about it, I have never met another human being that plays Raid Shadow Legends. How do they afford all of these ads?

[@thelonelyphish]

I swear to God it has to be a money laundering scheme

[@allanshpeley4284]

Their value per player must be off the charts. I'm sure they have plenty of creative ways of encouraging people who inexplicably get sucked into the game to part with their money.

[@killgoretrout877]

just takes a few who spend all their income on micro-transactions to stay aloat

[@Burt1038]

I work at a bank, I've seen plenty of accounts where somebody's kid got a hold of the credit card and spent thousands on a video game.

[@dww7094]

Money laundering

[@Plowboy42]

Would be a shame if they have to move considering how iconic of a brand they are in MLB. Regardless of how cheap they are it’s refreshing to have a team with an identity that stands out among all the others. Whether they can “get” funding for a new ballpark or they have to move to another city one thing is certain, there is no chance I’m playing Raid Shadow Legends.

[@dukedub]

But you’re missing out on raid shadows legends

[@stephen_cs]

Had no problem leaving Kansas City

[@dash_r_media]

@@stephen_cs Or Philadelphia

[@ConservativeHispanic]

The A’s already said the money is there, and MLB will most likely force any other needed funds to be subsidized by the rest of the league. The problem is the city is so full of commi bureaucrats that it probably will lead to the team being moved.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Teams should never be considered "Brands" in the first place. That type of language is so hollow and disgusting. It's cringe how often US sports fans and US sports media use it

[@odcoordinator1780]

Here after the Vegas news. I’m sorry for all A’s fans. You all deserve so much better than what Fisher has put them through.

[@splashnskillz37]

If im Vegas, i don't want the A's

[@biorgoanylchem]

@@splashnskillz37 you crazy, vegas is thirst for sports, athletics will be fine bro

[@MrDanielSolano007]

@@biorgoanylchem just let baseball die…. Soo boring. 🥱

[@ssfc117]

@@biorgoanylchem enjoy 10 years of being garbage. All the same problems are gonna dog you there. They went to Vegas because it’s still in the west and you’ll always make money from tourists

[@dennismonk9559]

@@splashnskillz37 well now they have 2 oakland reject pro teams.

[@deanlinkimer5377]

The Pirates have been doing this for a long time now, but get away with it by having the best/nicest stadium in baseball and tons of special events like concerts, tshirt days, bobble heads, run the bases, etc.

[@GoliathGTX]

Smart marketing goes a long way.

[@eliasper2894]

A’s fan here. As compelling as the underdog story is, you need to remember that in order to be underdogs, you need to be worse than other teams. Constantly losing players you’re attached to, seeing firesales every 5 years, it makes it so hard to stay invested as a fan. Which leads to less fans, less tickets sold, less money, and the cycle begins anew. I’m 15 years old, and there have already been two firesales in recent memory. There’s never a player that’s been on the team since I was a little kid. You can be attached to the story, but the people never stay long.

[@Gardensandgrills412]

We are not so different, you and I. -Pirates fan.

[@cessxiii]

Not to mention, the As playing in a rotting cavern that nobody wants to pay to be inside. That will absolutely effect revenue, which will absolutely effect the ability to re-sign talent.

[@davidfhth6842]

@@Gardensandgrills412 i was once like u -padres fan

[@samdoan2]

I am also a 15 year old a’s fan. It’s terrible how our owner is like the 3rd richest owner in baseball and puts like 30 million into the team every yer. Disgusting. I might just become a padres fan

[@AdderTude]

@@samdoan2 Without watching the video, I can already tell that BDE probably glosses over the fact that the owner (John Fisher, in this case) makes the final call, not the GM (Beane). For years, I've always suspected that Fisher was more interested in making the team his personal cash cow rather than wanting to put together legitimate WS contenders. Ryan Reynolds at least travels to the UK to watch his club (Wrexham, from Wales) play. I've heard Fisher has never attended a single A's home game. Plus, with the team having 50% ownership of the Coliseum, it looks to me like Fisher has also let the stadium go to waste just to have an excuse to move the team away from Oakland, he's that much of a damn cheapskate.

[@cathyday2399]

Being an A’s fan is a special kind of chaos. This video makes the coliseum look like a complete dump, and yet it’s the most fun stadium I have ever been to, hands down. Unparalleled energy in that place, and not a bad seat in the house. From bleacher seats where someone in a luxury box passed me shots out the window, to second-row seats where I caught a foul, to firework games on the field, I’m sure gonna miss this place ❤

[@kenakehurst3639]

😔me roo

[@thequeen901]

There absolutely is a bad seat in the house lol, have you not seen the one on the upper decks that literally has a pole and wall in front of it blocking the view

[@jennyvega8]

thats right

[@cathyday2399]

@@thequeen901lol I’ve sat there too! And once directly behind the foul post. There are objectively terrible seats, but I’ve always had a good time 😂😂

[@cranbell99]

your writing is really good Cathy.

[@studgerbil9081]

I always thought the point of Moneyball was that a team with money could become even greater using the player-value strategies but a team run cheaply would never win it all no matter what.

[@thehiphopprophet]

One very important thing you left out about the attendance is that the A's doubled their ticket prices, especially for season tickets and cut almost all the benefits of being a season ticket member. This is in addition to always giving away their best players for little to no return while always playing pauper to get their piece of revenue sharing from MLB. To be an Oakland A's and former Oakland Raiders and Oakland warriors fan is to know that the plot of the movie "Major League" is a real life scenario

[@natemarx4999]

I have never seen a man who has won so little be celebrated so much like Billy Beane. Brad Pitt actually played him in a movie.

[@markzuckergecko621]

No kidding, sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because it seems like I'm the only person who thinks Beane is a fraud and a self proclaimed hero that never really did anything worth celebrating. It was shameful how they portrayed Art Howe as some ghoulish old bat, when he was really just a straight down the middle, highly respected baseball guy just trying to win games.

[@inputreflector]

@@markzuckergecko621 Looks like I gotta get deep in this, thanks bud

[@markzuckergecko621]

@@inputreflector yea, obviously that's just my opinion, and apparently the opinion of the OP too. Maybe I'm wrong. But there's sure as hell more sides to the story than the movie portrayed.

[@inputreflector]

@@markzuckergecko621 I’ve seen the movie, was amazed but honestly unsatisfied as well, had a feeling there’d be more to it than it was told obviously.

[@markzuckergecko621]

@@inputreflector oh it's not a bad movie at all, if you just view it from that perspective and pretend like it's pure fiction, it's actually a pretty damn good movie. But if you're being critical about the accuracy, it's crap. It's thoroughly one sided, they selectively omit anything that would make Beane look bad, and embellish anything that makes him look good. They act like he was the first guy to determine that OBP is important, lmao, that's been a common thing for decades.

[@mcj88]

6:40 - In hindsight it was very fitting that the A's cheapskate owner was played in the movie by Bobby Kotick, abusive cheapskate owner of Activision.

[@kylenorman5250]

I thought this was a joke and he was just played by some actor who looked like Kotick but lo and behold. I guess I learned something today.

[@ItIsYouAreNotYour]

Being an A's fan is like being a fan of a triple A team. You watch all the star players that could have been leave for stardom.

[@zedramer]

That's some good method acting right there.

[@Wolf-wc1js]

@@zedramer it's not even method acting, he's just being himself

[@TheHopperUK]

Ha I was watching the movie again the other day and thought this exact same thing

[@MrMrMordon]

as an A's fan, this video really breaks my heart. but it is all too accurate

[@ALittleMessi]

I don't think moneyball was their downfall. You can be cheap and smart and rotate that strategy with data(many soccer teams function this way). The downfall is literally being so cheap with everything else that the team cannot possible function. Moneyball is about investing the money back into the system

[@denistuohy2535]

Its literally "Major League" in real life.

[@fyretech0603]

Hello fellow Pikachu pfp user

[@stellviahohenheim]

did you even watch the video before commenting?

[@ALittleMessi]

@Stellvia Hohenheim Lmao yes. There's a clear distinction between the moneyball approach and being so cheap running your operation that it falls apart

[@clint927]

No, Moneyball really is an attempt to create a shortcut to success by those who don’t truly understand the game. Defense matters. Batting average matters. Stealing bases matters. & having studs on the hill matters. If moneyball was around in the 80s, there’d be no Ozzie Smith, Tony Gwynn or Wade Boggs, which is why you don’t see players like that these days. It’s also caused the demise of players like Kenny Lofton & Vince Coleman. It not only has ruined the A’s, but all of baseball as the HR & the walk have become king & the entire game has become waiting for that 1 swing. & pitching? Randy Johnson had 7 seasons of 240 IP. Nolan Ryan was 2 outs away from 7 such seasons as well. They pitched til they were 45 & 46, but now, we get 5 IP from a starter, we’re told to be excited & pray his arm doesn’t fall off, while we watch 4+ innings of pitchers w/ exactly 1 decent pitch try to hold a lead. Moneyball is 🗑

[@cacawsthelaw]

The Oakland A's are so cheap that the most famous thing related to them is a movie about how cheap they are.

[@Slayerformayor1983]

How’s this not top comment?

[@BucketofScuzz]

Because they were awesome in the 70s or early 70s anyway

[@TBsports17]

I love this channel so much

[@zionholmes9633]

Facts same bro

[@thecatmanyes]

Facts love his vids so much

[@CoDgaming25]

I quit baseball in 7th grade and don’t tune into any MLB except maybe the World Series and I watch EVERY video 😂 guy knows what he’s doing

[@wyattthegoat12]

same

[@isaacinfranca1361]

Samee

[@TehGalvanator]

I'm a bay area local, went to a lot of games in the 2021 season. The fans are fierce and extremely loyal, but everybody has a feeling of anxiety fearing that the A's will relocate on top of the prices in the stadium constantly climbing. It's a shame watching the team and stadium slowly fall apart. The Raiders and the Warriors are already gone, I hope that the A's will at least stay in the bay area. The stadium is a relic of a bygone era. Ride the wave.

[@BillyBob-wq9fl]

Cali not lookin or doin so hot.. the state is also on life support..

[@TehGalvanator]

@@BillyBob-wq9fl what part of California do you live in

[@murrfeeling]

@@BillyBob-wq9fl If it loses 9 million more people it only be the second most populous state in the USA... it's almost a wasteland really. 🙄

[@AJR-zg2py]

omg they need to make a movie about Charlie Finley. That MC Hammer story has me dying - a twist I was NOT expecting lol

[@gabrielvazquez1691]

It’s sad to see what the franchise that once had, Reggie Jackson, Catfish Hunter, Raleigh fingers, a powerhouse in the 70s, has turned into what it is today.

[@philthornton1382]

Free agency fucked the small market

[@ThumbsUpMike]

And with all the crazy money that now exists in baseball, there is no excuse for the A's to be like this

[@john_linder]

The Pittsburgh Pirates have entered the chat

[@ItIsYouAreNotYour]

Rickey Henderson, Dave Henderson, Jose Canseco, Mark McRoids, Dave Stewart, Bob Welch, Dennis Eckersley, Terry Steinbach in the late 80, early 90s, and you need to go back to the 70s?

[@gabrielvazquez1691]

@@ItIsYouAreNotYour to talk about the 3 consecutive championships yes

[@SmoothCriminal12]

A lot of what made the successful during that initial moneyball era was players that were there before Beane came over. Their three headed pitching monster (Mulder, Hudson & Zito), as well as Eric Chavez and Miguel Tejada. None of those guys were brought in by Beane.

[@Gemnist98]

That’s one of the main criticisms of the book, or at least its interpretation including in the movie. Tejada even won an MVP, although he later not only was discovered to have done steroids, but also committed perjury trying to cover up Rafael Palmeiro’s PED use.

[@paulyC]

I'm fairly sure that he did. Beane has been working in the A's front office as a scout since 1990, and in 1997 was was elected GM. The movie depicts the 'Moneyball' method being developed during that 2002 season, however after the owner of the A's passed away in 1995, the new owners orders the front office to use the 'Moneyball' method field a competitive team.

[@supergoose5142]

The movie really misrepresents the point of the A's strategies during this time. Nobody in the A's org expected Hatteberg, Justice, Giambi, Bradford, etc to give the team superstar production. They were hoped to be competent enough to fill out a roster that had a few good players and little else. Zito, Hudson, and Mulder were all good pitchers but more borderline aces rather than true frontline pitchers. Tejada was a bit overrated as well. Zito should not have won the Cy Young in 2002 and Tejada winning MVP over other choices in the AL that year is actually a laughably bad choice. It's extremely rare that a team can compete with 3 good pitchers, 2 good hitters, and very little else on the roster. The 2002 A's managed to fill out the remainder of their roster with guys who contributed enough positive value for the team to be competitive despite a relatively shallow roster

[@DisAccountizaMiracle]

True that. They had some amazing scouting and old school styling. Beane’s strategy managed to put bargain players around them that significantly outplayed their cost. But the stories don’t exist without the great scouting and development to go along with it.

[@75aces97]

That was one problem I had with the narrative of Moneyball. They had 3 of the best young starters together for a few years, and an MVP shortstop. The movie version never mentions any of that, and would lead you to believe that the alchemy of washed up Hatteberg and Justice were more responsible for the winning record.

[@harveydodd8803]

The new Moneyball strategy is what the Braves are doing. Using leverage early in a players career to hold them throughout their prime years. The competing economic vision of Steve Cohen is similar to Steinbrenner in the 1970s. Don’t focus on annual profits but building a long term brand. With the Mets and Braves in the same division, I’d be very curious to see how the next decade goes for those two teams. Does Moneyball work better than brand building?

[@itzjackplayz3507]

Guess who is moving to Las Vegas?

[@majura3743]

4:35 I was at that game that was rained out in 2014. (My entire family has been lifelong A’s fans since they moved to Oakland) I remember waiting for like an hour after it was supposed to start only for it to be cancelled. After that a bunch of people were asking around the parking lot if anyone had any Warriors tickets for sale 😂

[@avgGamer662]

California stinks

[@Itz_anarchy-_-]

This %100 explains the A’s in a nutshell

[@samdoan2]

I was at that game too!! It was so disappointing. I drove 2 and a half hours just to have it cancelled

[@majura3743]

@@samdoan2 yeah it sucked, especially because that team was super fun to watch

[@prestonbrown5379]

I went to an A’s game back in September. To be honest I had a really great time and the stadium wasn’t even as awful as people say it is. Obviously it’s old but I feel like everyone should go at least once to check out the stadium

[@CaptRR]

Truthfully the a’s could have a new stadium quickly. What the a’s ownership want is a new stadium that someone else pays for. Truthfully what Oakland should do is go the Pittsburgh route. A new stadium that is small and intimate. Unless your New York or Boston your not filling those extra seats in a big stadium consistently anyways.

[@tyguy9067]

​@CaptRR the billion dollar stadium itself is privately financed.. it's the stuff around the stadium that needs to be paid for by the city. And oakland is stupid about it lol they got a grant by the state for $350 million to cover that part of it but due to inflation thr price went up $150 million almost. That's the hang up right now. The A's have covered their side of it. It's the city being stupid.

[@smallworldbigworld-yi3xw]

@@tyguy9067 The city should pay for nothing. Welfare for the rich is the most grotesque of things.

[@smallworldbigworld-yi3xw]

Old stadiums have their charm, but the egos of the ruling class need shiny and new, and especially if someone else is paying for it. They'll play golf and brag about how it was all due to their "hard work". Ha.

[@surfingbrrrd]

I somewhat agree with you, the problem is though in my opinion is the fact that Oracle Park (SF Giants field which is like 10 miles away) is just an astronomically better field in every sense of the word. Going from an A's game to giants game, or vice versa, it's night and day

[@gradeyundery4939]

"feral cats are a good thing, because they help with the rat infestation." this could be from the simpsons.

[@winstonkostrzewa1585]

Wonderfully done as always, cheers and happy early baseball season

[@Golbez1991]

Reminds me of my beloved Expos. Stadium falling apart, penny-pinching everything, epmty seats galore, and future uncertain. I hope they won't lose the team.

[@philthornton1382]

The difference is the As aren’t losing money like the expos were

[@Bigunk-hc2ri]

@@philthornton1382 they just don’t have money

[@seanthomas1552]

@@Bigunk-hc2ri 12th richest owner...

[@limelorax]

the cat situation is the pinnacle of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

[@jpc0309]

And here we are

[@thedude3065]

it's one thing to say they want to leave but the announcement came at 2 AM it's like breaking up with your lover without looking them in the eye

[@jon6969]

Fun fact about the movie moneyball. The actor that plays the owner of the A’s is actually ceo Bobby Kotick. He is well known for running activision blizzard on a shoe string budget and ruining any goodwill blizzard had left. But at least the shareholders are happy!

[@condimentman54]

There's something strange going on in oakland. Warriors relocate to San Francisco, Raiders leave for Vegas. Despite having some of the most loyal fans, oakland teams just can't seem to draw in enough money for ownerships to be happy. There's a big problem of gentrification and redevelopment in the bay area in general, and I'm wondering if this affects the sports markets in less affluent areas such as oakland compared to higher wealth zones like San Francisco. If the A's really want to bust out of their "small market", the easiest solution will probably be to sadly relocate out of oakland and start from "scratch", because I have no idea how ownership will fix all of these other issues within only this next coming year..

[@warlordofbritannia]

Oakland has never been nice for the A’s-even when they were winning three straight World Series attendance was in the bottom half of the league. Not that ownership over the decades has helped, of course; but the Giants already controlled the Bay Area for a decade before the Athletics moved from Kansas City

[@kevinbenedict1422]

What's happening is simple: fans in low-income markets such as Oakland no longer have regularly disposable income to spend on tickets. As sports expand and operating costs rise, ticket prices rise with them, and poor markets who have hosted teams for long periods find themselves priced out of continuing to be competitive. The options are to be cheap like the A's, or move. Most teams opt to move the second the tax credits on their current stadiums expire.

[@LordBurger]

i think its because oakland has become one of the worst cities in the league and people would rather go to a slightly better san fransisco. plus all the rich people in the bay area are there. poverty rates are also high so people dont have the time or money to attend games often. plus oakland teams have to compete with their more successful san fransisco counterparts often.

[@SoftServeDonuts]

Dude oakland is a disgusting hell hole of a city. It’s real life Gotham City there. Teams and people are realizing that and are getting the fuck out. It’s insane that that city even has sports teams. Actually important cities like Las Vegas or Portland or even Nashville should have MLB teams. Hopefully the A’s move there asap

[@condimentman54]

@@SomebodyElse-43197 it's not a good thing when economic development happens too rapidly that it displaces people who already are having trouble keeping up with the cost of living. If you want to see a little bit about some of these issues in the bay area i recommend the movie Blindspotting

[@YTsux100pct._of-the-time.]

Gawd damn. This channel is so consistent with the quality content.

[@lovesgucci1]

We need an update to this! Love, love, love your channel!

[@wumbojet]

Every time I watch a new BaseballDoesntExist video I ask myself how is this a real sport

[@TheLegoBattlebotsLab]

Cuz baseball is amazing.

[@vitto5096]

Love the vids keep them coming ❤️

[@ryanstellato5514]

“Tropicana Field is the worst stadium in baseball” Oakland: “That’s adorable, hold my beer cup full of poo water”

[@jacklempke7779]

Missed you BDE! Thrilled to see your upload!!

[@slicksimmons]

As an athletics fan for 23 years, this made me laugh and cry

[@ryanpedersen5468]

Someone pay this man to keep ads for Raid Shadow Legends off the best videos on the entire platform

[@jiezhangjzmobee8102]

Parents in Oakland can tell their kids: If you don't study hard in school, you'd be playing for the A's!

[@Nkfish]

So you’re telling me I can go watch a bad team with no one there, but possibly get to play with cats? Sign me up for season tickets

[@TheZakR]

Happy you got a juicy sponsorship man, I hope this can continue to be a career for you for years to come. Oh yeah and the vid was great too, goes without saying.

[@jiaan100]

Don't play raid though

[@Lord_Baphomet_]

I swear these mobile gaming companies really want you channels to go above and beyond what they pay for.

[@inputreflector]

Real talk

[@4815162342sbf]

2 full min jesus

[@captainclyde5082]

Yeah everyone is definitely tired of raid shadow legends. There's plenty of companies that do paid promotion that let channels keep it short and sweet, Nord VPN and skillshare come to mind.

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@captainclyde5082 People have been tired of Raid for years now-since at least 2019, remember those “I’m Rey…Reyd Shadow Legends” memes 😂

[@jimcharles9705]

As an old guy, I remember the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum when the A's were in their 70s dynasty years. Even then, it had mixed reputation. Players reportedly thought the field was rough and bumpy. As far as it looked, before Mount Davis, I've seen better and worse ballparks. Like many stadiums, meaningful money could've been put into it to upgrade it over the years and make it a good experience for the fans. But the trend is largely toward disposable ballparks that last 30 years and are replaced by a whole new facility. Examples exist (Wrigley, Fenway, Dodger Stadium) whereby stadiums can be maintained lovingly and correctly over many decades. The answer isn't always to build a new one. The Coliseum in Oakland might've been such a ballpark. But ownership didn't care enough.

[@ExcitedCorgi-xz1xj]

The fact that Larrusa adopted the cat is so wholesome

[@no_handles]

As someone who lives in Oakland going to A’s games in the past was hella fun. The environment there was like no other team in the league. It’s so sad that they’re going to end up like the raiders

[@dukedub]

As a Mariner’s fan, even when it was really really bad, it never seemed as bad as Oakland had it. I took enjoyment in that.

[@evannmason6376]

Now Mariners can lose to the Astros with class instead of just being beaten into a bloody pulp like the As still are

[@hubbyhouserr9235]

Oh please. I would 1,000% rather be an A's fan than go through a 20 year playoff drought with a substantially higher payroll and better ballpark. That's an embarrassment.

[@Wu.Tang.Financial]

For real man, nobody been hosed like Oakland sports fans

[@hubbyhouserr9235]

@@Wu.Tang.Financial For real. Dude must have just become a Mariners fan. Acting like they didn't suck for 20 years.

[@Wu.Tang.Financial]

@@hubbyhouserr9235 I’m a mariners fan lol. I just don’t feel like kicking y’all, suffered enough man.

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

"We don't have a feral cat problem, we have a solution for our rat problem"

[@risboturbide9396]

Thank you so much. Best baseball channel, by far!

[@gradysadventures3689]

MC Hammer is a living legend dawg😭

[@DavidVandemark]

Finley was a living Mr. Krabs. This dude would do anything for an extra cent 🤣

[@anthonyrusso6696]

I feel like most people don't understand what the movie was about or the underlying philosophy. Moneyball was never about hailing a particular person or one specific strategy and acting like everyone else is too stupid to do it. Moneyball the movie was about the conditions necessary for innovation and the factors at play when people resist change all wrapped up in an underdog story. Moneyball the philosophy was about identifying inefficiencies in the baseball marketplace and exploiting them on a limited budget. It's true Beane didn't just come up with sabermetrics on his own. But the extreme nature of his environment highlighted how he chose to implement those ideas with incredible success. Losing Damon, Isringhausen and Giambi, three star players, all at once was extreme. By conventional thinking, the A's were expected to regress. The spending discrepancy with other teams was extreme. And the failures of Beane's own playing career were absolutely germane to tell the human side of the story. The fact that the Red Sox pursued him heavily and then won the WS in 2004 after embracing sabermetrics says it all. He was onto something. And the rest of the baseball world rapidly evolved to adopt elements of the Moneyball philosophy. And the publicly received is actually what killed it: the extreme market inefficiencies disappeared over time because many other teams became effective at quantifying player value. The failures of the stadium and the unwillingness of ownership to spend have little to do with Moneyball. Moneyball existed as a result of scarcity, not the other way around.

[@mervalon0966]

Back at it again with a great vid

[@jonahkuske4252]

The "Moneyball Strategy" is a myth. The movie focused on discount role players but completely ignored all the young talent on that team. They had both an MVP and a Cy Young winner that year but neither player was even mentioned in the movie.

[@bumpandsquish]

you have to remember that hollywood movies rarely stay very close to the books. the 'moneyball' book focused a lot on bill james and what is now known as sabremetrics

[@jdmrchem5]

The A's in 2002 are not an underdog because they made the playoffs previously and their trio of pitchers were the main core in the pitching staff and Zito was the Cy Young award winner. The Angels, on the other hand, were the true underdogs back then since they haven't made the postseason since 1986. I jumped for joy after the Angels won the WS, but the competition between the A's and the Angels were pretty fierce and a sight to behold. I was lucky to see the Zito/Mulder/Hudson trio in This Week in Baseball back in 2002 when I used to watch baseball on Saturdays as a kid. That's why I knew that the A's were a strong team even though Jason Giambi left the team. Miguel Tejada was a beast too.

[@AUlonestar]

Maybe read the book.

[@andrewwertz3335]

It’s definitely not a myth lol. The movie plays up these elements, but they were definitely extremely important in building the As roster and rebounding from free agents leaving. The strategy was still very important, and definitely led to other teams evaluating players sabermetrically, which basically ended with the As getting priced out of moneyball

[@MrRodzilla]

also the A's got Johnny Damon knowing he was a 1 year rental for the 2001 season, the movie makes it seem like they were in the hunt for his contract and it hurt because he was stolen away, not the case

[@oklywright8886]

Omg dude the possum situation kills me 😂 along with the way you say “possum” idk why I think it’s so fkn funny

[@ultimatepotato713]

Reading Moneyball was hilarious because they expect me to be mind blown by using a computer to look up stats and valuing OBP over BA.

[@liamhigginson6372]

It’s insane how cheap the A’s are like I can’t put into words how cheap they are. It’s crazy

[@bryanflo4500]

good thing there's an entire video about it

[@ekeg_]

@@bryanflo4500 and an entire movie about it

[@ggvbayareaoakland5914]

As a lifetime As fan, they have broken my heart since 1990 the day I was born... when they move to Las Vegas I think I'm picking a new team. Any good ideas? 👍🏼 lol

[@ggvbayareaoakland5914]

To be honest, after they traded away, Josh Donaldson it broke my heart. Plus, I knew it was going to be bad when Bean traded away Yoenis Cecepedence for that Bum John Lester! We had a team but Lester gave up 3 runs in 3 innings. I remember Brandon Moss hit 2 grand slams, and we still lost. 😢 Coco crisp, jed lowrie, Josh redick. There was Balfour rage or w.e we used to do when he came into Relief, was it Chavez, Doolittle (he was good then just sucked lol) there's more I'm just bad with names lol... so maybe all join the Phillys? I used to be on the Phillys for babe Ruth little league. Maybe the Pittsburgh pirates lol not much of a winning team haha . Maybe all stick with Bob Melvin and become a fathers fan haha oops I mean the Padres 😅 peace out ✌🏽

[@excelsior3381]

Why don’t you stick in the Bay Area and switch to the San Francisco Giants? I’m saying this as a Mets fan but Oracle Park has always been my favorite ballpark

[@cursedreality8615]

One of the most interesting videos I’ve seen good job!

[@darrybasco]

Hey as an Angels fan, I went to the coliseum for the first time last season and loved it. They have a lot of great food and activities other than watching the game. Lots of nice indoor renovated spaces too. It honestly wasn’t that bad!

[@selfdo]

Since the Moneyball movie contains quite a few factual errors, it's hard to blame it for the current woes of the A's. It's come down to a simple issue: The A's don't have the fan base nor the media interest to go "balls out" in the free agent market. This forces them to make do with what they either develop or scrounge. Still, look at their record in the "Billyball" era... TEN 90+ win seasons since 1999, SEVEN first-place divisional finishes (and, in 2001, they had 102 wins, which typically wins a division, but that year, Seattle had that improbable 116-win season). That's hardly a pattern of failure, unless the more hapless Philadelphia A's following their heyday in the early 1930s, which only had five over .500 seasons after their last pennant in the City of Brotherly Love in 1931, or during their tenure in Kansas City, where they never had a winning season at all! For any team that makes the post-season, it's a matter, of course, of first GETTING there, but also having the team "gel" at the right time! For example, who could argue that the 2021 Atlanta Braves (88-73, first in the NL "(L)East) were actually a better team than the Giants (107-55), the Dodgers (106-56), the Brewers (90-72, statistically comparable), or the Houston Astros (95-67), and yet they won it all. For that matter, although they fell to the Dodgers in a well-played 2021 WC playoff game, the St. Louis Cardinals were as formidable as either the Dodger or Giant teams they would face, which is why the two NL West teams, aside from their long-standing rivalry, duked it out for the NL West crown to the last day of that season...neither wanted to get knocked off by the Cards! 2006 was probably Oakland's best shot at a WS crown, as their signing of free agent Frank Thomas, relegated by age and nagging injuries to strictly DH, paid a handsome divided on his relatively paltry $3.1 million salary, he returning to form, clubbing 39 homers and knocking in 114 RBIs. His .926 OPS, decent but not remarkable compared to his career stats, indicated that they A's got that one good year remaining, as in the movie, supposedly Billy Beane is trying to do with David Justice in 2002. Of course, the same movie ignores the great offensive productivity out of Miguel Tejada and Eric Chavez. Once they became free-agent eligible, Beane couldn't hang on to them both; Tejada had a few more great years in Baltimore but didn't last; Chavez stayed with the A's and lasted longer. Do you seriously think the book was actually revealing any "secrets"? Beane's approach was well-known, indeed, it had been tried before, notably by the A's themselves immediately after WWII. And they did have success compared to their recent dismal seasons, but the trouble simply was, Connie Mack was elderly and very much behind the times. Connie Mack Stadium, aka Shibe Park, was dilapidated and in a decaying area of Philadelphia. The Mack family simply didn't have the money to compete with the Yankees, Red Sox, Indians, and Tigers, and as soon as the players that had brought them success in 1946 to 1948 wanted more money, as piddling as their salary demands would seem by today's standard, the team had little choice but to trade their best players, reverting to its de facto status as a major league "farm club", mostly for the Yankees. The same approach continued during the team's futile tenure in KC, although when Charles Finley bought the team in 1960, he professed he was going to make them competitive, although, in reality, he looked to relocate the team almost from that point, nearly getting it to Dallas-Forth Worth or Denver before finally getting the team to Oakland in '68. The interesting thing is that as horrible as last year was for the A's, it still marked their longest tenure, making 55 seasons in Oakland as compared to 54 in Philly, with only 13 in KC. As for the stadium woes...the "Masoleum" is clearly being crippled along, well past its useful life; with also its football tenant, the Raiders, having departed for better (artificial) pasture in Las Vegas, and even the arena next door, occupied for almost 40 years by the Golden State Warriors, likewise abandoned as they returned to SF, being just down the waterfront from the Giants. The fate of the Oakland-Alameda Sports Complex, which reflects the thinking of the early 1960s era when first planned, is more or less akin to the city and county where it is; a troubled metropolis experiencing serious urban decay. The Howard Terminal proposal appears to be moribund; likely, if the A's remain in California at all, it'd be in Sacramento, but there's no serious proposal to construct an appropriate venue in the state's capital. I can see the A's relocating to Las Vegas much as the Raiders did, or, if MLB won't stomach a franchise in "Sin City", Portland, OR.

[@usarms149]

100%. Moneyball helped the Red Sox win the Series in '04 and it got the Diamondbacks to it this year. The concept is alive and well, some organizations just do it better than others. Oakland is the reason the A's are moving.

[@kitkatsfrommarsyt2936]

Dude has 40 videos with a million views or more and he doesnt have 1 million subs? Its crazy, this dudes style of videos is great, and its a linked, and I cant find one reason why this dude doesnt have 1 million.

[@TherealDDC]

I saw the whole video and the only thing I’m left with other than As being cheap is that MC Hammer lived an insane life.

[@mangos2888]

#FACTS

[@grassmanlawncare4823]

This is the best babe all channel on YT. I’ve seen so many trying to copy you it’s crazy.

[@unkledoda420]

The dead rat in the soda machine made me laugh. I've worked in the food service industry for a long time. Every single place had mice, all restaurants do though. Anyone who says different is either lying or never worked in a restaurant. My favorite incidents were when i worked at a cheesecake factory and the mice would get inside the refrigerated case and jump on the cakes in front of customers. We took all the cakes out everytime it happened but managers just made us put them all back out like 20 minutes later. Another time i worked at a Starbucks and a mouse got stuck in the toaster over night and died there. Of course we didn't find it until after we made a couple bagels and it started burning and stinking.

[@selfdo]

One of the problems with pest control in restaurants is that the food is an obvious attraction to critters; but you can't readily apply chemicals, not only because you don't want the liability of exposing patrons to them, but also the smell isn't conducive.

[@newsieboys1171]

LOL!

[@patrickbooth5091]

I worked at Chick Fil A for over 2 years and never saw a rodent or any animal in the restaurant

[@TheLocalLt]

That is absolutely not true, you’ve worked for some poor management, especially the Cheesecake Factory example

[@sangun123]

lmfao no brodie, as someone whos worked in both fancy and cheap resteraunts, thats some ghetto shit from a manger who doesnt give a fuck about hygenie or a staff taht's too lazy to actually clean and they lie about it

[@lawk4183]

You deserve 1 million subscribers

[@user-eg1ps2vt3m]

Just a quick edit note: it says "stragey" in the video instead of strategy. Just an FYI, the video itself is phenomenal! Packed with info and intricate details

[@mcbaby]

Reminds me of the Expos issues. Lousy stadium, low attendance, cheap payroll, never kept quality players long term and ended up moving the team. Hope the A's get their act together before they suffer the same fate.

[@Lord_Baphomet_]

I feel like Jomboy and this channel are the only things keeping Baseball alive.

[@locoskullz6478]

Don't forget about Foolish Baseball

[@cameronjuntti4749]

Plenty of great baseball creators out there. SB makes the best content out of them all imo

[@inputreflector]

Please recommend me some, @me

[@markzuckergecko621]

Bro I ate 2,483 stadium hot dogs last year, can I get a little love here? It's the least you can do before my kidneys explode.

[@dishantithomas4198]

​​​@@inputreflectorolish bailey/ foolish baseball Jomboy and several of the channels associated with him this channel This channel Momentum I talk studios These are probably the top five. There are few others I can think of but yeah

[@justinllamas1]

it also should be noted oakland produced the league’s first free agent back in 1974 when charlie finley chose not to pay an installment of catfish hunter’s annuity that was agreed upon into his contract. back in the days when the reserve clause existed, charlie finley was either being irresponsible or trying to get away with cheap … it ended up costing oakland’s dynasty and handing the yankees 2 more championships after catfish signed with NYY.

[@CobraAce04]

Your videos sound like you're absolutely making up the most insane nonsense shit you could think of with absolutely zero research, and extreme hyperbole, and then you find out, literally everything you said actually happened with very minor technical mistakes at the very worst, and my mind is completely blown You're one of the few creators I need to pause to take my breath. Keep up the amazing work, man. I'm not even a baseball fan but I watch every video you upload

[@Plamler]

Moneyball done right is in the NBA right now. OKC Thunder moneyballed their way into a super promising roster given their a small market.

[@Lachronix]

I love this. So much. I wish they’d fix the stadium.

[@gamer_athletics]

John Fisher is killing this historic franchise.

[@evilotto9200]

fisher's not killing the athletics he's holding them ransom 11 billion in taxpayer dollars ends this

[@kenakehurst3639]

Fisher needs to go. He can try and buy his real favorite team across the bay when they come up for sale never. In the meantime he can go enjoy his multi billion dollar art collection cause that's more important to him than a baseball team he owns 😤😡🤬

[@davidnacey7281]

Back in 2014, I went with my brother to catch a game in Oakland. It was a weekday game in May and they were playing the Tigers. Needless to say, these kinds of games rarely get high attendance. From the beginning, the baseball fan experience in Oakland was less than optimal. The closer we got to the coliseum from the parking lot, the more we smelled a distinct septic odor. We all just got nose-blind from it after a while, I guess. As we were finding our seats, I realized that the metal decking where our seats were had an expanded metal plate bolted down in front of our seats. Ok, except as I stepped on the metal plate, it gave way under my foot about an inch and I could see through part of the decking underneath. Very disconcerting. I went to an usher, who just told us to go find better seats after about the second inning or so. Well, the food and the beer was ridiculously expensive (isn't that always true?), but it was TERRIBLE. The beer was cloudy, making me wonder when they ever cleaned the lines, and the hot dog I bought looked like something the local Presbyterian church serves the homeless under the freeway overpass. Now, the team was great. They won the game. The die-hard A's fans were and still are awesome. The team made the playoffs that year, but lost the division by 10 to the Angels, who never minded spending money. Beane did a crazy fire sale toward the end of the year. The team sputtered across the finish line. I think I remember they were about 15 games or so under .500 after the All-Star break and barely beat out Seattle for the last wildcard, losing in the first round. Moneyball is crummyball if you asked me.

[@wilfordbrimley6938]

3:48 that ballboy went all out trying to save people's lives 🤣👏

[@marcusshepert105]

I'm fairly new to baseball, but I do know hockey. The Arizona Coyotes are basically the same way (can't make a deal for new stadium, constantly struggle to meet the salary cap floor) except they don't win anything 😂

[@Komo47]

Ownership. Ownership. OWNERSHIP! Bad/cheap owners ruin sports quality.

[@audrisampson]

The worst part of this is that my Reds think this is a great idea and how a franchise should be run

[@DMalltheway]

Same with the Pirates too even with new stadiums!

[@MrTycobb25]

Rockies, too. Sigh.

[@thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930]

He hired MC HAMMER because he looked liked Hank Aaron. Hammerin Hank. That’s where MC Hammer got his stage name

[@Libertino]

Best baseball channel on KZbin and it's not even close

[@CurryOverLebron]

Cool story. After La Russa adopted the cat he created a adoption center called ARF. This foundation saves stray, injured animals.

[@jamiebell314]

As a Blue Jays fan i really appreciate the A's. Where else would we get stud third baseman for cheap?

[@Dhi-fe5eu]

My brother and I would get dropped off at Bart at 9 and 11 years old to go see the A’s play. Joe Rudi, Vida Blue, Rollie Fingers, Reggie Jackson, Billy North. The owner Charles Finley, after winning 3 World Series got rid of almost every player. Let us not forget Crazy Al. The bald guy with a snare drum that got the crowd wild up.

[@AdamRedmann]

Love these videos

[@d2s260]

One thing that annoys me is when people say once the A’s move they’re gonna start spending money. Being cheap is so built into how they operate as a franchise that unless there are big changes internally nothing is gonna change

[@kenakehurst3639]

/\this/\ Canr agree more As an A's fan myself I don't see why there will be this huge shift to paying players and keeping Gan favorite talent it makes no sense

[@DMalltheway]

Moving to Vegas with a free section 8 stadium will only fill their pockets more and still refuse to pay their over-performers and Vegas will realize the owners are nothing more than greedy demons.

[@jakemitchell1132]

Remember when there were analysts criticizing why Kyler Murray would still choose to play football after being drafted by the A’s? Well he makes more per year now than the organization’s entire payroll. Say what you want about how he’s played, but he definitely played the A’s.

[@lovetruth8549]

I remember when the A's were great. First sports team I ever loved. It's amazing what transpires over a lifetime

[@ianwood4009]

The moneyball strategy only worked before every other team knew about it and started valuing players in the same way. I can't believe the team still considers it an advantage.

[@Bobzzbilly]

I really hope the A's can stay rooted in Oakland... As a die hard fan it would be really sad to see them move.

[@louiemarsella7409]

Same boat man, but that hope feels to be gone now:(

[@brendanables7367]

RIP my man sold out to Raid Shaddow Legends

[@skidrat55]

Mans gotta make a living

[@Blastoise-1123]

I like how raid is considered worse then gambling adds

[@DairukaSutain]

As a Blue Jays fan, I'd like to thank our Oakland farm team for persistently supplying us with amazing players.

[@Gas_Station_Tampons]

People before Pennies. That's a motto many businesses and organizations could learn. People come first. Then the money will naturally follow. The other way around is a short lifespan.