Why Baseball *Was Going* To Be Cancelled in 2022

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MLB is currently in a labor dispute. The owners have put the players in a lockout. Will there be a baseball season in 2022? Or is MLB cancelled?
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[@BaseballDoesntExist]

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[@kevingohdcantgo10_0]

Ok

[@lil_guy26]

rip MLB

[@Mannyhurtjr]

I'm good

[@saturn9952]

nah

[@TheRoseBoy11]

The Farmville company? Interesting

[@hoppy0434]

With the way things are going between the owners and players, your channel name might actually become true… Edit: Nevermind we good

[@ChevTecGroup]

It's a prophecy

[@Evanpleaseanswer]

Very true… Unfortunately

[@MsSaskue360]

I want to ask how does 14 teams works that 7 teams per division a odd number if they play against each other without separating that 7 teams left a odd number just like the 7 per each team being odd so how would this work

[@michaeljordan7412]

@@MsSaskue360 top seed gets a bye for a round ?

[@michaeljordan7412]

Kinda like NFL playoffs

[@ZeducationTyler]

great channel... also, this could be a silver lining for my Twins. We might not lose 100 games now in 2022

[@Clapped250]

I did not expect to find you here lol

[@tyeikenberg8938]

I said the same thing about my Orioles

[@bradbutcher8762]

Let's pay Josh Donaldson 20 plus million per and not make Eddie Rosario a serious offer and watch him key an epic world series run...the disgust is real

[@boomboombilly342]

Zed!!! What’s going on? Tired of watching fart jokes?

[@charlesmoore70]

To bad it won't help the Vikings.

[@broadstrokespro]

Well this video aged like… …a fine wine. God damn it. EDIT: The wine has fermented into a frothy milk!!!

[@CanadaMMA]

More like milk :-(

[@DavidTorres11717]

NOT ANYMORE BABY

[@UHOH_415]

That’s the worst case scenario for Baseball. Especially coming off a season like 2021.

[@gabeshivers]

2020 and 2021 were special seasons; playoffs were so fun

[@sawyertuide7636]

@@gabeshivers 2020 itself was a shitshow

[@lilgill7348]

@@gabeshivers 2020 was an awful season

[@justasimpleguy7211]

@@sawyertuide7636 Baseball's been a shit show for some time and now it's Woke. It's dead to me and I was a die hard Mets fan, so you know I must have been dedicated. LOL!

[@Luke_Groundwalker]

@@sawyertuide7636 Im just getting back into baseball, can you give me a quick elevator speech on why 2020 was such a shitshow? Ive just been getting back into baseball for the last 7(ish) months and now I'm finding out there might not be a 2022 season? I need to get caught up big time.

[@ryanstaiger1712]

Thing is Manfred represents the owners which means the owners are probably just as bad. You get rid of Manfred they’ll just get a guy who acts the same way as him. Remember the owners are writing his paycheck

[@freeparking301]

Exactly. The last four or five commissioners all come from the same tree and were just close friends of the commissioner that came before them. The slimier the better too especially Selig and Manfred. They especially suck!

[@TheChosennn]

Yep

[@GCBlues45]

I hate this commissioner more than I hated tge former commissioner. Manfred is killing the & he is listening to these fans that not really fans. I agree no pitch clock,but yes to a draft lottery.

[@demonkingbadger6689]

Giamatti seemed different but he really did have a chance to show us.

[@freeparking301]

@@demonkingbadger6689 He certainly could’ve been the one to take us off this timeline we are in now. I think his heart attack showed us that he stressed over things with more empathy than the slime we would get after his far too short run as commissioner.

[@BaseballDoesntExist]

oops

[@bostonhockeyco]

oops indeed, oops indeed.

[@DaveHotChicken]

oops

[@Michael-ut6zb]

Baseball's problem is getting kids and adults to actually watch baseball in person or on TV. Baseball isn't the cultural icon it used to be and no one in today's MLB is as famous as Mickey Mantle was in his prime. Sure, people our age may go to a ballpark 1-2 times a year to take their Instagram photo with a hot dog and a beer, but when following a team like the Angels/Dodgers requires a pricey cable package, most people just aren't going to care. People might go to the ballpark once a year but teams want people to attend or watch games far more often. Not only that, but it's just not as entertaining as it used to be, because they've taken some of the physicality out of the game. Baseball, entertainment-wise, isn't that good of a sport and I say this as a life-long baseball fan who loves baseball. The fact is that games go on too long, the amount of action or time during the game where the teams are actually playing is minimal, the rules are extremely complex and nuanced, and the big moments homeruns, plays at the plate, are infrequent and often don't happen during games. MLB has plenty of issues it needs to fix including game length, playoff games being too late and marketing their stats. There's just so many alternative entertainment options -people pay less attention over the course of a six month season. It's good that people still like to play Baseball/softball, but MLB is on it's way to becoming culturally irrelevant. You can ALWAYS do more to attract new fans. Baseball fans need to stop getting offended when someone points out baseball could do more.

[@keystoneshepard6940]

Completely agree need a shortened season where the games are more meaningful. Spring training should be part of the season and should be done before people can think about football

[@MorganBurton]

I think the hurry up rules could help. Kids have no attention spans these days. They complain about movies longer than 90 minutes. Also juice the balls again, fans love a HR.

[@ankshious]

Plus they get paid way too much to swing a bat

[@brianchadwell2]

The length of the game is alright by me, I am always on the go-go-go so when I sit down for a game, any game, I do like to savor it like a juicy steak. As a life long Braves fan I am more upset that I pay 65 a month for a streaming service that bally sports refuses to re-sign a contract with, so now I cant watch any games.

[@velvet373]

Everyone in this mini thread sucks and aren't true baseball fans... Go watch basketball if you want a 'fast' game.. go watch football if you want a short season. In a world of fan service, y'all should just go watch the MCU.

[@unchainthewolves]

It is legitimately impressive that Rob Manfred is so bad at his job that he makes Goodell and Bettman look like competent commissioners.

[@mietha37]

Yeah... Let's not get crazy here.

[@afridgetoofar1818]

Hell, he makes Bud Selig look good.

[@adamcoe]

Careful now, baseball never had a glowing ball. Bettman is a piece of shit and the poster child for term limits on commissioners. Fans hate him, players hate him, the only people that even tolerate his weeniness are accountants. Rob Manfred is unpopular but he doesn't get booed the way Bettman has been booed at every Stanley Cup Final for well over a decade.

[@single-cellshark6013]

And I hate Goodell soooo bad

[@sandman1347]

Adam Silver is the only commissioner who isn't widely hated/ridiculed in American sports. What does that tell us?

[@josepho3366]

This aged like spoiled milk...

[@aharonvarna5992]

baseball doesn't exist wasn't a joke it was a warning

[@whoisthise5501]

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[@jethrojacinto2798]

Rob Manfred is the worst thing that ever happened to baseball and that's saying something.

[@antagonisstic]

Rob Manfred is a lying dirty _ _ _

[@michaelyoungstrom9412]

He's a complete joke.

[@kristopherloviska9042]

People have said that about every commissioner.

[@joeyjonesaquatics507]

@@kristopherloviska9042 Well we gotta blame someone 🤷🏽‍♂️😭

[@TheAbele992]

The players association gave the cheating astros immunity, they're not much better. I side with Manfred and the owners here.

[@Ariana321]

Thank god this video aged horribly.

[@YaowBucketHEAD]

Not current to this lockout, but it still hurts to think of what could of been for the 1994 Expos. ☹

[@acchaladka]

From Montreal, I feel you.

[@skiprockjr.6881]

*could've/could have

[@bakedkalechips69]

@@skiprockjr.6881 coulduv

[@skiprockjr.6881]

@@bakedkalechips69 "Loose" when they mean "lose" and "could of" and not "could've" drive me nuts. I'm finally putting my foot down.

[@acchaladka]

@@skiprockjr.6881 don't tell autocorrect, we'll never get out of this comment section. Gah.

[@BrianRetro]

I'm at the point where I literally do want them to cancel the season. That will wake the owners and players asses up to realize that their sport is dying and fans are being turned away in droves.

[@EastboundAndDowns]

I'm with you. It's time to show these rigged pro sports leagues who REALLY calls the shots around here; the fans. If the powers-that-be are constantly rigging games for the sake of gambling or low-balling player salaries, they aren't even games anymore. I wish we could all work together to boycott the MLB/NFL/NBA, to hit them where it hurts.

[@DaDitka]

Not to mention that maybe they will realize just how good of a thing they have. One thing that irritates me is the seemingly utter lack of gratitude from either the players or owners about either being able to play this game for too money, or being able to own a team. Perhaps a hit in the pocketbook will open their eyes. Then again, maybe monkeys will fly out of my rear. I'm not at all optimistic.

[@747heavyboeing3]

@@DaDitka Agreed but owners pay their salaries. I would not give in and threaten to cancel entire season. Owners need to stop with ridiculous contracts, especially for pitchers. They don't even play every day and no longer pitch complete games. I would not give in to players demands after giving them enough already. Let them go out to the real world and see how it goes.

[@antoniohoward981]

@@EastboundAndDowns hockey to

[@antonioreconquistador]

Samelol

[@warlordofbritannia]

On the optimistic side, most similar labor disputes in baseball history have ended with the owners realizing they can’t make money without the players, and concede to the MLBPA

[@inflatableman9185]

And most of the time that happens, they don’t lockout the players for months.

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@inflatableman9185 This is still off-season tho, I think the owners will break by March

[@Wolf-wc1js]

@@warlordofbritannia yeah because the owners have the advantage right now because since it’s offseason they’re not losing a dime

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@Wolf-wc1js Exactly! Once the season comes…only then will they realize what they have to lose

[@snakeshift9172]

Really sick of the billionaires vs the millionaires. Fuck em both.

[@RetroBaseball]

I miss baseball so much I’m dying inside.

[@kevingohdcantgo10_0]

Elf on the shelf Manfred is to blame

[@Karmy.]

It was finally looking promising for my Tigers again :(

[@Mannyhurtjr]

@@Karmy. exactly bro detroit for life

[@jonklassen3929]

Not alone

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

@@Mannyhurtjr Al? You're still alive?

[@Meowmeow-nk7no]

This video aged like a fine milk

[@tommypickles3544]

I just started watching baseball last year. Honestly this is all confusing but very interesting

[@Luke_Groundwalker]

Here I am thinking the 2022 season would be cancelled because of bad UMPing 😂 (maybe I'm watching a little too much Jomboy)

[@jaredmoore2472]

Everyone wants to play by their own rules.

[@cosmonautzod1193]

same, good way to start

[@ceciliak9256]

Dude same here!

[@kimbee0839]

Baseball has already been canceled in my household thanks to Rob Manfred. Free runner on 2nd base in extra innings??? Are you kidding me??? Totally delegitimizes the previous 9 innings. Can't wait until a pitcher or pitchers have a perfect game going into the 10th inning, yet there's now a magically-appearing runner on 2nd base. Moron.

[@cspeer121]

Pitch Clock isn't necessary, just enforce existing rules which aren't being enforced.

[@jaydav6521]

I got to see the Braves win another World Series. I'm cool with that being the last game in MLB history.

[@JAP_15]

Same 😂

[@marcmarc4776]

My Cubbies won in '16, waiting my grandpas entire life, my dad's, and mine to see it. I'm good

[@Belangerz]

I haven’t seen mike trout win a playoff game, IM NOT GOOD

[@braves4life25]

^ I’m not even an Angels fan but I would love to see him make the World Series .. then lose to the Braves!

[@Username-hd1co]

I watched Bellinger knock us out in the NLDS. I need revenge

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

Nobody is going to cry for players making "less than a million dollars a year." They need to unionize the minor leaguers and negotiate to treat them fairly. That is the sympathetic group and the biggest fear of the owners. That would require the MLB players to support minor leaguers when it doesn't help them. But that's the right thing to do and there is some recent history of unions doing exactly that. Most minor leaguers never make it to the majors. They spend their prime years making nothing and learning nothing and then retire young, broke, and with no prospects for future work.

[@warlordofbritannia]

The MLBPA is the strongest sports player Union for a reason, and making common cause with the minors would only further cement that fact-I’m surprise they haven’t realized this and done so before…

[@aaronsanborn4291]

Making nothing? Most of those minor leaguers make more a year than I do and I make between 75-100K a year and work way more hours than they do

[@connorlaird1644]

@@aaronsanborn4291 are you sure about that? The average salary for a player in triple a minor leagues is $15,000…. The teams don’t provide housing or anything like that. So you’re left to pay for an apartment on that small salary. I make more then a AAA baseball player and make $18/hr…

[@connorlaird1644]

@@aaronsanborn4291 obviously if you’re good enough you can get sponsors and everything but the majority of minor leaguers aren’t. They don’t make enough money.

[@eks_0]

@@aaronsanborn4291 no they don't what are you talking about. They literally make less than 20k a year and they have to have roommates just to afford rent

[@elmowilcox]

Can’t cancel baseball, but we can cancel the MLB.

[@ncaasports684]

I miss baseball so much. Im almost depressed by seeing it disappear in the moment

[@mbdg6810]

well right now its offseason

[@fentanyl6969]

@@mbdg6810 thanks bro had no idea

[@itsallenwow]

I mean you haven't technically been in a time when baseball would've been played this year tho

[@philipgior3312]

It's almost a relief to hear this - it will save me the frustration of watching my team fall short yet again, and give me an excuse to stay away and pursue other interests. Both sides take the fans for granted.

[@PallazzoPodcast]

We know how you feel Phillip. We're your friends. We're not like the others.

[@RapFan54]

Yanks fan?

[@PallazzoPodcast]

@@RapFan54 Us? Now way! We're Detroiters!

[@chrisshook8471]

@@PallazzoPodcast the Tigers haven't been relevant since 2013 when they lost in the ALCS.

[@PallazzoPodcast]

@@chrisshook8471 No doubt about it. 2014 against BAL was the death knell but I see your point.

[@MoralMonster]

Would love to see baseball have less season games and more playoff games. It would mean less wear and tear on the players during the season, more revenue for owners, and incentives for players in the playoffs. 16 teams, 8 aside, best of seven. This would solve a lot of profit and spending issues. Not to mention it would generate more interest because more teams make it in. Like the NHL and NBA (salary cap leagues).

[@amykat75]

That’s half of the MLB. If they do that, then the wildcard needs to be more than one game. A team can miss out based on one player having a mid game injury or off night.

[@mustbtrouble]

this will never happen bc the bulk of revenue comes from tv ads. more games =bigger ad contracts/revenue. regardless of how compelling or meaningful the season is.

[@PallazzoPodcast]

Wow! You are standing on an island. Seems like most want to keep the playoffs as is. You're our type of person. Independent thinkers. Come join us!

[@barrykee8876]

100 game season. Each team plays 50 on friday/Saturday and 50 tue/wed with of course 50 being at home and 50 away. 30 week season including playoffs, all star game. Less games, shorter season equals more interest because each game is more important. Standardized tue/wed/fri/sat schedules help fans keep up and tv stations schedule better. Also, drop the game to 7 innings to speed it up. That way you have One starter and one closer most of the time and the game is quicker (2.5hrs). Who cares about the old records and comparing stats from times gone by. People would go to games on weekends or watch on tv if it was shorter and weekday tickets could be cheaper. Probably would sell more tickets in a 100 games than 162 that way. Shorter season, smaller contracts, more interest, fuller stadiums, everyone wins.

[@rexman971]

I like the lengthy regular season.

[@ericponce8740]

Please don't expand the playoff format.

[@davidharrison7014]

Why not??? I think an expanded playoffs would be great for baseball.

[@homerj.simpson7562]

@@davidharrison7014 How so?

[@davidharrison7014]

@@homerj.simpson7562 More exciting games to watch, and more revenue for the teams and their owners.

[@DMalltheway]

Players and owners will whether you like it or not, question is will it be 12 teams or 14 teams.

[@DMDvideo10]

I used to love this game, loved watching, going, following. At this point I wouldn't even blink if they canceled a season or more...

[@whoisthise5501]

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[@miltonsteele6676]

i feel the same way i have felt that way for a while

[@alecmartinez2927]

Your favorite team must suck

[@BoleDaPole]

MLB don't care about you. The MLBPA doesnt care about you. A good minority don't even care about or even LIKE baseball lol As they say, a new sucker is born every minute.

[@kevingreen2400]

This really didnt age well...baseball will play a full 162 game season

[@mjohnson9086]

Back in 94 the slogan I remember was “the billionaires vs the millionaires.” Honestly I’m dissatisfied with both sides. Ticket and concession prices are ridiculous all because of the high salaries. People wake up, it’s a game that people get rich off of. It’s simply just entertainment. I’m tired of all of it. During natural disasters and crisis, we need real workers and real skills from people that don’t even get a fraction of what these overpaid entertainers get yet are risking their very lives.

[@eweung]

A lot of the low level guys aren't really millionaires (at least in the 90s), but I take the point, they're pretty comfortable. But I'm not sure player salaries are driving the costs. If you froze the players salaries, you'd change nothing. The owners will charge what the market will bear, not what's "fair". If they can keep charging more and more every year, they will. Players at least pay a higher tax rate, so I'd rather it went to them. Maybe those billionaires should pay more tax too, but that's another conversation.

[@ryanchase9332]

Oh good, another person who has absolutely zero clue how free market capitalism works. Why do sports players make so much money? Because that's what the market pays them. There are few of them, therefore the demand is higher. Why do firefighters, nurses, and teachers make less? Because that's what the market pays them. There are many of them, therefore the demand is lower. That's just how the free market works. You don't want the sports players making so much money? Convince every person to never go to a game, never watch it on TV, never buy the merchandise. All of a sudden, they won't make nearly as much because you aren't giving them your money.

[@nickrizzo4635]

Watch on tv?

[@toastedt140]

@@ryanchase9332 if you genuinely hold the belief that we operate in a free market here in the US then im afraid you don't understand either my friend lol

[@sortofanoakyafterbirth3661]

I feel you 100% on this. This goes with every other sport too. Same with Hollywood.. F 'em all. It's sad to me, but I need to work on myself and find other pursuits. Blessing in disguise that my team changed its name to the gUarDianS 🤢 🤮. Perfect time to leave the sport forever.

[@cjones3710]

Manfred sucks look at The all star game last year. Uniforms, at the asg? What ? Why are not switching from Al to NL. Stadium More playoffs suck......why even play the regular season if it does not matter.it makes playoffs boring, and degrades reg. Season... if it goes forever. Like 2020 postseason was awful ..crumby teams get it, it takes forever, and.its bad for.the game. Actually all baseball.changes since 2015 are bad.

[@Whitegorillaboy]

If baseball wants people to return to stadiums, listen to radio broadcasts, and follow teams daily (as we did as kids and young adults), put all TV games on free antenna broadcasts, and slash ticket prices in the traditional "cheap seats". Fans will return in droves and those who earn higher incomes will pay more money for good seats.

[@steampunk_willy]

I think your history of labor negotiations grossly misrepresented that history. MLB has a unique legal status in the US that allows the league to dodge federal anti-trust laws. Free agency didn't exist until the early 70's when SCOTUS finally decided that some monpolistic behavior the MLB did was illegal. Salaries skyrocketed relative to where they started, but those salaries started near the median national household income at the HIGHEST level of baseball. Owners were "losing" through the 90's in the sense that they were being forced to abide by more (but not all) of the federal laws governing labor that every other business in the country follows. Also, the league is not legally required to remove player likenesses from their websites. This is shown by the league continuing to sell merchandise bearing player names and likeness. The league does not license player likeness from the MLBPA because the MLB never negotiated away that right.

[@666jt]

So does the mlbpa or MLB license rights for video game rights

[@steampunk_willy]

@@666jt Both. That's why your copy of MLB the Show has an official MLB logo and an MLBPA logo. For baseball cards, Topps had both licenses, but the MLBPA also licensed their rights to Panini.

[@PallazzoPodcast]

Well said!

[@not_jon_vendi]

Do u know why they tooke their pictures down from the site ?

[@steampunk_willy]

@@not_jon_vendi It's not clear, but it seems like a tactic meant to draw attention to the lockout. MLB probably wants people to conclude that the MLBPA is so petty/greedy as to not allow MLB to show the likeness of players on their website during the work stoppage. They want to turn popular sentiment against the players like they did in '95.

[@scottl9984]

I would almost take a strike if it meant Manfred was gone and never heard from again.

[@whoisthise5501]

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[@detroitandclevelandfan5503]

Same

[@Lonestarr022]

he will just be replaced with another puppet. Roger Goodell? Gary Bettman? Every league has this boss. There's no hero coming through that door. They do not exist. This is the best there is to offer. Selfish players, selfish owners. Everyone is selfish.

[@uuormondbeach6055]

Players didn't strike, owners locked them out.

[@mcbaby]

You explained the current and '94 labour dispute better than I have ever heard. The detail that you go into is unmatched, great stuff.

[@MeargleSchmeargle]

The thought of taking away luxury tax and having no kind of salary floor means that the disparity you already see in the game is only going to get more 1-sided between the teams with owners that actually spend and owners that put together barebones operations like John Fischer of the A's.

[@walker1984]

Players don't think about that or the fans of that organization that get hurt by this. All they care about is getting theirs. The top players don't really care about the bottom players either tbh. If they did, they would have Tony Clark fight more for those players instead of the 1%.

[@the_algorithm]

@@walker1984 The disparity is not a problem with the players. It is the owners fault. If the owner does not want to pay for a competitive team, then that has nothing to do with the players. If the owner wanted to promote his team, pay for stars, and market all of that, there is no issue. It is owners who don't care about the team but just want to say they own a team, that is the problem.

[@kamX-rz4uy]

@@the_algorithm Without a cap there are too many teams that simply can't afford to compete. Owners have to choose between going broke hoping to get lucky or manage the team for profit. There needs to be a floor and cap. Without a floor there are owners that won't field a competitive team and without a cap there are owners that will vastly outspend others. At least half the teams are basically a minor league system for the big market, big spenders. This is a big reason why fans are checking out and not watching once you get outside of places like the northeast corridor and California.

[@chrisshook8471]

@@kamX-rz4uy the level of parity isn't the reason fans are checking out otherwise The NBA which since 2000 has had 5 repeat Champions while the MLB Hasn't had 1 repeat champ since 2000. The Reason people aren't paying attention to baseball is because baseball is too slow paced for people.

[@thefisherman0074]

But the NBA had a record dropoff of viewers because of those repeated champions so not sure your point is valid since it just recently recovered

[@OinkOinko]

MVP Baseball 2005 was my favorite game back in the day. I always wondered who "Anthony Friese" was, wow

[@futuregohan4837]

Kevin Millar

[@Harwell-gb5ho]

This gives a whole new meaning to “baseball doesn’t exist”

[@mattmurphy5805]

I hope they start airing KBO games on ESPN after this

[@ranelgallardo7031]

Yep, also expect MiLB on some TV too. Also don’t be surprised if MLS capitalized on this MLB absence.

[@Kerrmunism]

“The MLB could undergo another massive scandal” “…This video is sponsored by Zynga” HMMMM

[@rvog6584]

ISWYDT

[@flatplanet3500]

At least baseball exists now.

[@SoonMrWick]

I want steroids back 😎

[@bakedkalechips69]

The effort and research that goes into your videos is much appreciated my guy. Your solution to the players and owners wants sounds like a pretty good compromise to me. The only thing I really hope doesn't happen is the pitch timer. Baseball is a long and meticulous game and that's why we love it so much, imo a timer would change the fundamentals of the game too much.

[@VeriStrawberi]

Nah, MLB is losing viewership year over year while salaries and expenses increase. Pitch clock is great. IMO - They need to do MORE to compete for eyeballs these days.

[@bogme]

@@VeriStrawberi people who don’t like baseball, don’t like baseball. A pitch clock isn’t gong to make them suddenly like baseball...because guess what? THEY DON’T LIKE BASEBALL. How about we stop catering to and pursuing people who “just aren’t that into” us? I mean, really - who do we think we are? The GOP (to blacks)?

[@ryancrouse5790]

@@bogme Thank you, been saying that for years! Rushing the pitcher isn’t going to change anything 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@marcusbelanger3489]

@@VeriStrawberi I agree. Baseball was more popular when there was more fast paced-action.

[@Daniel-ed9gn]

Pitch clock is actually a great idea imo. Games are too long and pitch clocks are already implemented in some minor leagues and it’s been going fine

[@Red1Arc]

I fully agree with the players wanting shorter free agency times. Always thought 7 yrs was way to long.

[@freddycalipari4242]

I remember when Josh Donaldson won MVP at 29 but was getting paid like 3 mil cause he only had a few years of service time

[@tommyfu9271]

@Brian T technically yes but it's often manipulated to basically being 7

[@PallazzoPodcast]

It's absurd and a relic of the distant, segregated past. Completely agree.

[@middlefinger1565]

@RedArc We the fans (which I am NO longer)...are the ones paying their ridiculously hefty salaries by paying an outrageous price for cheap seats and $8 for one beer. Why defend these overpaid bums?

[@tommyfu9271]

@@middlefinger1565 why defend the billionaire owners? You're right we pay their salaries and if the owners paid them less they would just make more money for themselves.

[@avplayz1711]

The name change🤣🤣

[@michaelduterte6239]

Rob manfred is the problem. Commissioners need to protect the interests of the sport, not the owners

[@dominicwhite9855]

well hes paid by the owners sooo ya thats not gonna happen. that SHOULD be how it works though

[@CNep99]

No, the commissioner is entirely only there to protect owners interest

[@jeffbruce2568]

Commissioner works for the owners not the sport. Hey hire him not baseball.

[@jodydolphin79]

Bud selig was an owner still serving as a commissioner

[@DMalltheway]

Owners pay the commissioner to represent them, that’s his job.

[@MikeJr9284]

I've lost faith that there will be an MLB season this year. To think we almost didn't have a season 2 years ago.

[@popsports05]

Look how long it took the NHL to come back after losing a season to a lockout

[@freeparking301]

NHL learned their lesson too not just getting their shit together during the Covid break and creating a fun playoff but also deciding to get that CBA done for several more years in the process. Both sides worked together by having some of the player’s salaries in escrow so their teams wouldn’t be broke and in return they get that money back later with interest. (I know it’s a bit more complicated with than that but that’s why it’s impressive they got it done because in the past they would’ve lost a season and a half.)

[@therealjaystone2344]

@@freeparking301 NHL is now having a cultural problem between the owners and players in the near future after hearing what’s going on and people haven’t talked about it

[@freeparking301]

@@therealjaystone2344 That’s certainly true. We all knew about the pill popping culture for years. As a Flyers fan I got to see Carter and Richards zooted out of their minds on the bench along with the rumors of them sniffing oxys at frat parties and beach houses down at the Jersey Shore. Players don’t magically skate on a broken foot days after it happened without some heavy duty help. And of course we have the Blackhawks scandal which the NHL would like all of us to forget ever happened.

[@saryn1829]

For me, as an avid baseball fan my whole life, I stopped caring about the regular season for the most part aside from occasionally checking up on how my teams performing, and skip to the playoffs. Football really nailed how to engage the fans with nail biting seasons and meaningful games that make it worth watching.

[@alanconnelly3921]

So true

[@zimfan101]

I basically start paying attention after the All Star game. That's when you start to really see if your team has a chance.

[@ngarcia103]

These days, I only watch my team's games until VERY close to the end of the season when scoreboard watching becomes necessary. And even then, I don't pay much attention until all the other sports are done.

[@philchickenfingers1190]

No you just have a low attention span

[@atrain132]

Well, I stopped watching baseball for 7 years back in 1994 with that ridiculous strike. If it happens again this season, I'll be done with the MLB.

[@garrythompson4132]

I lost respect for MLB when the Houston Astros cheated to win a world series and nothing was done to strip the team of the title. Not to mention ridiculous salaries (for playing with a ball mind you), steroid abuse, ticket prices, concessions and on and on.

[@naciremasti]

The final nail in the coffin for me, personally, will be the institution of the DH in the national league. Once that happens my 30+ years of loving MLB baseball will come to an end.

[@bostonhockeyco]

@@naciremasti Bye lmao

[@CharlieHustle1687]

I used to be a die-hard fan and had amazing coaching growing up. I’ve completely checked out the last 4-5 years because the game is so analytical. The shift absolutely sucks and it’s just an algorithm with little human decision making. No soul and no smallball is bad for the future.

[@tommyfu9271]

Small ball is trash There's a lot wrong with baseball but lack of small ball isn't it

[@Musicvidsetc]

@@tommyfu9271 Yeah, b/c this analytics b.s. where everyone walks up to the plate to either K, walk or hit a homerun is just SOOOO exciting! In fact, it's so exciting that a mediocre Sunday night NFL game in the middle of the regular season between 2 small market teams will destroy a crucial WS game in the ratings. It's so exciting that while NFL and NBA players are some of the most well-known celebrities in the country or even the world, most Americans wouldn't know the best players in MLB if they tripped over them in the street. I hope you enjoy baseball's cultural irrelevance

[@tommyfu9271]

@@Musicvidsetc the NBA is hot garbage 95 percent of the time.Regular season nba is more boring and almost as meaningless as exibition baseball.Elite high level basketball between the 3-4 teams that actually have a real chance to win the championship each year is great. Why aren't you complaining about analytics in basketball? The NBA is completely different than 20 years ago because of analytics. I actually think analytics has gone a little overboard (basically it thinks humans are robots when they aren't) but they make a lot more sense than people quiting old school stats that are absolute fucking nonsense like win loss record or batting average.This stats were not deemed important bc someone actually analyzed what the meant,it was merely easy to report them in newspapers in the 1800s so that's what people went with. Do I like seeing guys strike out all the time? No. And I think analytics is wrong thinking strikeouts don't matter at all for hitters (while stressing their importance for pitchers) but old school guys also think they matter way more than they do. Old school guys also love dumb shit like "small ball" which generally means doing idiotic things like sac bunting a man from first base to second base which even if successful is almost always reducing your teams chances of winning a game unless the pitcher was batting. Call the shift an algorithm if you want but it makes perfect sense.If you think baseball should outlaw it fine,but it's smart.Teams should position their defense where guys are most likely to hit the ball.What makes zero sense is that for over 100 years teams basically played everyone like they were Tony Gwynn. While we have way more data than ever before to be way more precise than was possible even 10 years ago,there was NEVER any logical reason to position your defense symetrically across the field unless the batter happened to hit equally to all fields which very few players do.That "human decision making" was lazy and moronic.Humans were wrong for over 100 years.Just like humans were wrong for a long time in the NBA for not realizing how valuable 3 pointers are and how shitty of a shot long 2s are.Your preference is more bad human decision making over doing what's correct? You're right the NFL will always draw better than baseball. It's a once a week sport that's heavily gambled on. There are many things I think are wrong with baseball-the pussification of starting pitching makes me sick.While analytics do say pitchers generally are significantly worse the third time through the other this has never been the case for elite pitchers ever including now.There is no reason for legit aces to be treated like regular pitchers. There is way too much down time because of mid inning pitching changes. I am one of the few people who likes the 3 batter rule.Id actually like to see it extended even further. I also will never understand why baseball gives relievers 8 warm up pitchers on the mound.Its absurd you have a bullpen so use it.Evedy pitching change takes 4-5 minutes from the last pitcher the prior pitcher through to the first pitch the reliever throws.If every time an NBA player subbed into a game the crowd had to wait a few minutes to warm up it would be unwatchable.I wish baseball would do something about this.

[@Musicvidsetc]

@@tommyfu9271 WOW! A lot to unpack there. OK, in terms of the NBA, I totally agree with you. I haven’t even watched a full NBA game in years. It’s boring and it’s no longer a contact sport. I recently saw a playoff game from back in the day in which Dennis Rodman, who was on the Spurs at the time, was guarding Karl Malone. There was more physicality between those 2 men in 1 game then there has been in the entire NBA for the last 5 years. Later, you mention concentrating on shooting 3’s. Ok, well, first, outside of a few guys like Bird, that’s where today’s NBA player has an advantage b/c yesterday’s players didn’t concentrate on that aspect of the game. Doesn’t make sense to shoot 3’s if you can’t make them. Speaking of which, kind of like baseball, this has gone overboard w/ 7’ centers and power forwards pulling up and shooting them. That leads us to something similar in baseball. You mention Tony Gwynn: Gwynn hit like that b/c that was the best way for him to successfully get on base. Not everyone is a HR hitter. Some guys must slap the ball around, steal bases, etc. in order to create some offense. It was understood that there were different kinds of hitters. Now everyone comes up to the plate like they’re Dave-fucking-Kingman and tries to either K/BB/HR. That approach makes even the good HR hitters boring b/c EVERYONE has the same approach. Ok, so that’s a good segue to the shift. I understand it’s the smart thing to do and I don’t think it should be banned. What should be banned are hitters who don’t adjust and keep swinging away into the shift. Say what you want about pre-analytics baseball, but those guys would’ve immediately adjusted. Especially, on these ridiculous over-shifts they would’ve just bunted the ball down the baseline and taken the automatic base. Now, analytics people would whine about that, yet they’re ok w/ walking all the time. What’s the difference? In both cases the hitter is being given a base. And by bunting (or adjusting your approach to hitting) you force the other team to stop shifting and you’re back to traditional baseball. I totally agree w/ you about the pussification of starting pitching and relief pitchers wasting time. I don’t know about the 3-hitter rule but I do know that the way managers use relief pitching has gone backwards in some way. This over-specialization and how certain guys can only pitch certain innings or in certain situations is stupid. Back in the day your top reliever wouldn’t just come pitch the 9th, you’d bring him in when the situation was at it’s worst b/c he was the best you had. That’s why they used to be called “firemen.” Now, you’ll have men at 1st and 3rd and one out and the manager will bring out his 3rd best reliever b/c it’s not time for the set-up man much less the closer. Shouldn’t you bring in the “ace” of the bullpen? As for the starting the 9th inning, if you can’t get 3 outs w/out giving up 3 or more ERs then you shouldn’t be in MLB. As for the popularity of the NFL, you can rationalize all you want but the fact is that in my father’s lifetime baseball was the most popular sport in America and its stars were far more well known than any NFL player. Now, 99% of the public couldn’t pick Mike Trout out of a police lineup. Perhaps the NFL was destined to eventually take the top spot, but that didn’t mean MLB had to fall this low

[@deckerrm]

Or when the batters piss and moan about the strike zone while umps are attacked verbally game after game and the league does NOTHING to combat it. Look at all the ejections the past few years.....all an act and "look at me" moment to excite the fans when in reality it's pathetic. Ya...umps make mistakes......but nearly everyone called out on a strike 3 have to question it at the plate while arguing with the umps. Good....cancel it all.....who cares.

[@Refill_2]

Channel name has never been so true :( But on the positive side of things, Braves winning the World series was the last game before this mess happened, and thats a SUPER high note!

[@whoisthise5501]

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[@truthcrusader4521]

Every team needs to have a salary cap period. Otherwise teams like the Yankees will be in the playoffs and world series every year and smaller market teams will never be able to compete.

[@anaihilator]

Yankees haven't won the WS in 13 years

[@truthcrusader4521]

@@anaihilator The Yankees make the playoffs pretty much every year. Every team should have a players salary cap to help keep things fair. The luxury tax is a good thing but a salary cap would be better. That way when a team wins a world series it's not because they bought the best players other smaller market teams couldn't afford. The large market teams can out due the smaller ones in managing, scouting, developing players. and having better minor league teams.

[@anaihilator]

@@truthcrusader4521 you're assuming it's the goal of every team to be competitive every year I'm not from MN but I live in Minneapolis now. The owner of the Twins are the Pohlad bros. It is well known by the Fandom that those owners do not really care about winning because they refuse to pay for top quality pitching and they do not have a history of developing quality pitchers. Cuz we could talk about how small market Tampa the past 6 or 7 years have regularly developed pitching talent and have made the WS and gone deeper in the playoffs in recent history than the Yankees. The KC royals won a WS(because they scouted, drafted and developed their players well) not but 5 years ago and then had a fire sale because they didn't want to pay anybody (the Miami Marlins won 2 WS following that same script) But no, the Twins owners won't pay for premium pitching and they are known for keeping players in the minors as long as possible to delay when they will have to pay them. So even if they have a hot prospect they stunt their growth and the ability of the team to compete and win because damn a WS, they don't want to pay anybody unless they absolutely have to. And here is the deal...the Pohlad owners are worth more than the Steinbrenners. But the current Stejnbrenners are not like George who didn't care how much he had to spend because he only cared about winning. The current owners are content to just be good enough to compete and make the playoffs and make their money from concessions, the fans, and the yes network So I can't give every owner of a smaller market team sympathy , because there are owners who absolutely can afford to compete but don't want to spend the money because they make money if the team is mediocre or not

[@truthcrusader4521]

@@anaihilator Doesn't matter if the owners care or not. Every team should have the same amount of money to spend on players. Maybe small market owners would care more.

[@anaihilator]

@@truthcrusader4521 like ok..do you not understand its the owners who fund these teams So it's completely moronic for you to say it doesn't matter what the owners want because clearly it does matter and it affects what teams actually spend money to win, vs owners who do the bare minimum and still profit and that is good enough for them

[@draneym2003]

It's as if these owners are trying to reduce the value of their franchises

[@whoisthise5501]

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[@chalkbunt81]

Maybe I can be a walk-on scab and finally realize my dream of playing pro baseball at 54 years old.

[@rvog6584]

wots yer daily workout regimen? :-)

[@chalkbunt81]

@@rvog6584 get up at noon, eat a can of spaghettios, watch old Taxi reruns, then I'll go out and buy some cat food, come home and cook more pasta, have some chocolate chip mint ice cream, drink about 2 bottles of chianti, watch some old Mary Tyler Moore reruns, and knock off round 2 am.

[@rvog6584]

@@chalkbunt81 u shuld hav enuf mass built up 2 rly give the ball a ride, huh? :-)

[@chalkbunt81]

@@rvog6584 There's not a stadium in all of MLB that can contain my moonshots.

[@TheGuitarman1968]

ZZZZZZZZZZ......Who really cares anymore?! I have played and coached baseball most of my life (53 years old) in one form or another. I love the game of baseball, but the MLB, not so much anymore. MLB's version of "baseball" has become so dull and boring that it is painful to watch. A 9 inning MLB game used to take around 2.5 hours (or less) to play. Now the same game takes closer to 3.5 hours (or more). Why? More commercials, pitching changes, umpires that don't know the strike zone, replay reviews, and crazy rule changes. Now we have ANOTHER MLB lockout? What this amounts to folks is nothing but millionaires arguing with billionaires over money, period! These "players" are paid millions to hit a ball with a stick, and they whine because they aren't getting paid enough, while the rest of the country is struggling just to get by?! Give me a break! Now MLB wants to expand the playoffs to 14 teams? Why even play a regular season? Just start with the playoffs and be done with it. This is the MLB, not the NFL or NHL or NBA, where almost every (crappy) team makes the playoffs. The playoff expansion is, once again, all about revenue and profits for the owners. Some of the rule changes MLB wants to implement make sense, while some are just ridiculous, depending on your point of view. What it all comes down to is the all-mighty dollar. However, what the MLB players and owners always seem to forget is that it is THE FANS that put the money in their pockets. Without the fans going to games, MLB would be finished. Ticket and concession prices are so ridiculously highly now that the average person cannot even afford to go to a game any longer. I may be aging myself here, but I can remember when GOOD SEATS at a MLB game were around $4.00. An MLB.TV subscription is around $120+ now, and a loyal fan cannot even watch their favorite local team, due to MLB's ridiculous and greedy "blackout rules." What is the point of getting a subscription if you can't even watch your favorite team play?! MLB wonders why they are losing their loyal fan base. Well, part of the reason is the lack of attention-span of the younger generations. However, most of the problem is their own doing, and it will eventually be their undoing. Maybe it is time for the fans to go on strike and boycott MLB. Maybe then these players and owners will remember who puts all of that money in their pockets year after year. After being a life long baseball fan, I am personally done with MLB, and I am sure many other fans feel the same way. From now on, I will be spending my summers giving my valuable time and money to other forms of "quality" entertainment. MLB, I am done with you!

[@ezrabergson-michelson9643]

Yay, another Baseball Doesn't Exist Video! Oh wait, lockout...

[@StadiumLandings]

You make some of the best baseball content on here, thank you for all your hard work! 🤞 We get a season

[@whoisthise5501]

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[@DavidTorres11717]

I just noticed that you changed the title after the lockout ended. Sneaky.

[@ThekiBoran]

When is Manfred going to cancel his membership at Augusta National in Georgia? For political reasons he moved the all-star game from a city with 50% minority business ownership, Atlanta, to a city with 7% minority business ownership, Denver.

[@Glibzer]

Who gives a fuck

[@ThekiBoran]

@@Glibzer People who have more than 2 brain cells to rub together, that's who.

[@ThekiBoran]

@@Glibzer I was definitely pulling for the Braves in the world series.

[@rvog6584]

thats adorable u r askin 4 consistency from an organization tryin 2 pander 2 various special interests ...

[@thescottishsteak]

if spring training doesn't start on time then they need to televise the minors, (The minors are still going right?)

[@braydenbrewer2122]

i don't believe so but i could be wrong

[@Rockhound6165]

I'm fortunate to have several minor league stadiums within a couple hour drive at worst. Wilmington/Delmarva DE, Lakewood/Trenton NJ, Scranton-Wilkes Barre/Reading/Lehigh Valley PA. Might be fun this season.

[@ee8701]

Always got the Drive I guess, if the minors play

[@evilotto9200]

mlb holds governance on milb broadcasts and suspect they will shut them down can't rationalize this beyond it's often just best to bet on dumb

[@evilotto9200]

secretly hoping a major north american streaming provider adds nippon professional baseball with english broadcasters cause than sounds aggressively disruptive to a state sponsored monopoly

[@caincheng3874]

Well they just finalized a deal and this video aged quickly

[@dedeath]

11:45 "league and owners are making more money but players are not" thats basically going on everywhere right now. corporations and billionaires making insane profits while wages have stagnated for the last 2 decades. just a little hard to care about millionaire MLB players making a little less money while the general populous is suffering.

[@whoisthise5501]

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[@selfdo]

As much as I'd like to see MLB work out its labor problems, if they can't get it solved and put a product out there on the field, SO WHAT?

[@THATG0MEZ]

Well hey, the lockout is over! The owners saw this video and knew that they had to make a deal.

[@brucemillard8950]

its getting harder and harder to defend baseball. i love baseball and that baseball has a long season. somthin to watch on tv or live everyday. but adding more playoff teams is a joke.

[@FireballFlareblitz734]

That's why I primarily support independent leagues now, like the Atlantic League

[@DaDitka]

And this is why I am becoming more of a fan of Strat-o-Matic. At least the owners and players do what they do best- play and shut up. Lol

[@Karmy.]

My Tigers finally signed an AS level shortstop and looked like they might show the promise they were building up last year and then this happens :(

[@historyboss1775]

I’m a padres fan but I’m really excited to see what the tigers do after signing Eduardo Rodriguez and Javy Baez

[@ihatedonovanbrandt3718]

I’m a huge tigers fan too but in my opinion this could possibly be the worst time ever to be good in 2020 and 2021 the playoffs and world series just didn’t seem the same in my opinion and it just seems like it going down hill I’m so happy that we’re signing good free agents and our good prospect are have an impact at the big league level but scared it could be wrong time

[@kevinfinnerty8414]

I used to be a Tigers fan. But 2006- 2014 seasons just took too much out of me. I just bet $ on the games now. No favorite team.

[@trowwzers5057]

Everything about Detroit is pissing me off this year All snow storms avoid us; yet the temperatures stay below freezing constantly. I want to beat Mother Nature Lions always do bad and then win the last games so they won’t get a first round pick. Their future looks promising. However, they will probably find a way to screw up Pistons sign Cade Cunningham and we were excited. Of course, we are the second worst team in the league Tigers sign amazing recruits and then this BS happens Redwings seems to be really improving and is the only team with a winning record as of today

[@PallazzoPodcast]

Local Detroit area baseball show here! We will have a season eventually and Miggy will get 3000! Just might not happen until June.

[@matthewgrasso7167]

It is hard to think MLB would recover if 2022 is canceled. It's already having difficulty drawing young fans also lost some during 2020, the only advantage MLB has is there's no other major sport going on from Mid-June through end of August.

[@middlefinger1565]

MLB already put their foot in it...when it took a knee to BLM and the Woke Culture. If you went to the games during this dark period...you have no one to blame but yourself for its downward spiral.

[@kramcherryp197]

Well MLS does that too but yeah compared to them idk

[@joestack1222]

@@middlefinger1565 tell me you're racist without telling me

[@middlefinger1565]

@@joestack1222 I'm only racist against highly racist and violent BLM...who cares only about certain black lives...the lives of career criminals. Obtw...did you enjoy that highly ridiculous new documentary series on Showtime...titled "Everything's Gonna Be All White" 🤷‍♂🤷‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂?!

[@siloh9140]

@@middlefinger1565 awww man keep digging a deeper hole man

[@666kingdrummer]

My interest in Baseball was already waning even before the COVID shortened season. But this whole mess actually drove me to do something, I though I would never do as an American, I started watching Cricket. and ya know what? I actually kinda like it.

[@normanwhite6677]

I haven't watched a baseball game in years; I live in Atlanta and only watched a few innings of the series last year. I'm really fed up with both sides. There's a whole lot more to life than baseball. We're hearing owners and players argue over millions and billions of dollars while the government in Washington is putting us in debt for trillions. I think it's time to put things in perspective.

[@samtexsemtex6998]

I recommend lacrosse. My grandfather and father were baseball and soccer prodigies. I ended up playing football bc i loved physicality and was a natural at baseball. But baseball was boring to me and i was introduced to lacrosse. I havent looked back since. It is just a beautiful sport and u should give it a chance.

[@666kingdrummer]

@@samtexsemtex6998 I've tried Lacrosse in the past, and it wasn't for me. The problem is that in a huge hockey fan as well, and it will never be replaced. If I want Physicality I can go watch hockey. Oh, and I've also given up on NFL as well, so now I watch Rugby and Australian Football instead.

[@666kingdrummer]

@@normanwhite6677 the only thing that was great about last season was Atlanta winning the world series. That was poetic justice, for how the leave screwed them out of the All-Star Game.

[@cappynintendo]

I refuse to watch the MLB ever since the Astros cheating scandal, (I was an Astros fan) ever since the scandal the other 29 fanbases will never shut up about it, they find every opportunity to make fun of the Astros, calling them cheaters, throw trash cans at them, make trash can jokes, etc. They need to get over it and let it go… But that sadly will not happen because they don’t want to…

[@michaelchen1838]

There will be missed games, a small minority of owners only rely on their teams for money, so many of them owning a team is just a hobby. So they have no incentive not to screw the players over and miss games

[@mmmcounts]

I remember when it seemed like the NFL was headed for a lockout ahead of their very recent CBA, and then they reached an agreement without incident. Anyway, what I learned from that is don't try to predict this sort of gridlock with too much confidence ahead of time.

[@elijahgavin6706]

Too much money on the line, an agreement WILL be met

[@PallazzoPodcast]

Very rational response. Hard to argue. Especially when reporting just gets less and less reliable each year.

[@enthusiastofcute]

Soooo, how are we feeling now?

[@thaddeuswhelan8186]

Never side with the owners. Always side with the union.

[@msscott22]

Why?

[@CNep99]

@@msscott22 because it's crazy to support billionaire hoarders

[@msscott22]

​@@CNep99 Sorry, I support the owners on most of these issues, and it has nothing to do with how much money they have.

[@CNep99]

@@msscott22 all of this has to do with how much money the owners have lol

[@msscott22]

​@@CNep99 No it doesn't. It has to do with rules, operations, and procedure. I'm guessing quite a few owners would love to see the luxury tax threshold raised higher so they can spend more without being penalized.

[@ScottyCo]

Just found this video and loved it! It really is sad that a game that started for the passion and the fun has turned to money and greed. I always think about Field of Dreams when I'm watching a game. When Ray Liotta plays Shoeless Joe Jackson and the expression he made when he got to play on the field in the corn again... that's true passion for the game.

[@tommyfu9271]

Field of dreams is overrated trash

[@mikecoyle1969]

All sports are now about the money!!

[@erose964]

@@mikecoyle1969 been that way for like 100 years.

[@codyprickett7969]

@@tommyfu9271 🤣🤣

[@tommyfu9271]

@@codyprickett7969 absolute trash Watch bull Durham if you want a good baseball Cosner movie

[@HalfSupply]

Thank god this didn't happen and we got baseball back!

[@CT--eo2vv]

Of course the fans don’t have any representation at the meetings. Both sides serving their own interests and it’s the fans who love baseball as a sport not a business who suffer

[@CNep99]

Why should people not part of an organization have a say in it?

[@itsallenwow]

Remember "fan" is just another name for customer.

[@abrandenburg10]

Owners: sign players to hilarious 300 mil contracts Owners: ya see it's just too expensive to have a baseball team now Owners: why would the players do this

[@fjccommish]

BTW, it's not illegal for people to talk to each other in personal life. Ridiculous.

[@RockSmithStudio]

Fitting that between the two strikes(1994 and 2022) that the Braves were the first and last team to win the World Series

[@mordsythe]

As much As I love baseball… I would rather have the season called off then see the players cave. The owners have milked the cow enough by now. It’s time the players took back their sport!

[@DirectThreat]

This didn't age well

[@bobobingus3155]

Thankfully

[@DexterHeisenbergBruh]

Between the COVID season and this likely shortened/cancelled season, some of these great players are having the prime years of their careers ripped out from under them. It’ll be a shame that it could cost some of them the Hall of Fame. The owners and union should be ashamed of themselves.

[@whoisthise5501]

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[@jakobtg8452]

For real. I’m a huge trout fan and this hurts because he’s missing out on possible 40 home runs to add onto his total. He has already missed a lot of games due to the 60 game season.

[@tobertitus]

I get this is frustrating but both-sidesing it like this will only ever help the owners. Ultimately, they're the ones stifling the growth of the league. Anti-player sentiment after the strike in '94 really killed popularity of the league for a good chunk of years. It'd be a shame if the owners weaponize that again.

[@MattRowland]

@@tobertitus Both sides are tone deaf, but the players are even more so than the owners. The players union (and individual responses) in the middle of the 2020 fiasco showed they cared nothing about the world around them, the plight of people in their communities, nothing. Baseball cannot exist long-term without fans buying tickets, buying merchandise, etc. The owners don't care enough about that because most of them make their money from other businesses. Players? They cannot exist without the fans 100%, yet they never try to get the general public on their side. Manfred is not good for baseball, but Tony Clark is even worse.

[@jimroscovius]

Waaah waaah waaah. .

[@reaganharder1480]

While i typically side with players over owners on pro sports disputes, playing without a salary cap/luxury tax is bad for the sport. If there's no league limit on spending, the only limit becomes the revenue a team has to spend, and thus the teams which make the most money sign all the best players and they win year after year, gaining more fans because people want to cheer for a winning team, and thus securing more money to sign all the best players with. As an extreme example, look at Formula 1, in which Mercedes has won the constructors championship 8 years in a row, and in the last 50 years there have been 14 multi-year winning streaks by one team, compared to only 6 instances of a team winning a single season and not winning the next. Granted, success for a team in F1 is determined by a lot more than just money to hire the best drivers, but it still stands, spending as much as you have creates uncompetitive sports where you can safely assume the winner before the season even starts. Having a salary cap that all teams can afford to spend to reduces the skill gap between teams making for more interesting games and seasons. But, the salary cap and league minimum salary should be high enough that players are compensated fairly for what they contribute to the sport.

[@Slayer8957]

Exactly, baseball not having a salary cap is terrible. Baseball not having a salary floor is also terrible.

[@BlyGuy]

Wow, you both sound like commies. A salary cap in any sport is totally unamerican. Revenue sharing is unamerican. We constantly see small market teams that don't spend nearly as much as the big markets make title runs. Baseball was at the height of it's popularity when there were juggernauts dominating. In fact, most sports do better in terms of viewership when there are juggernauts and aren't leagues filled with mediocrity. Ending the salary cap would actually make things more competitive in my opinion. In closing, all a salary cap does is further enrich the owners at the detriment of the talent. Take LeBron James for example. As much as I dislike him, he's criminally underpaid (by his NBA teams) specifically due to the salary cap.

[@reaganharder1480]

@@BlyGuy here's the other thing about removing the salary cap; it's not gonna equal higher pay for most players, especially in a game like baseball. Admittedly, I don't follow baseball closely, but as I understand it pitchers are considered the most valuable position to a team, and have a large pay gap between a good pitcher and a good outfielder. I seriously doubt that removing a salary cap will do much of anything for the pay of outfielders, unless they're also like, top 10 hitters or something. Which in most sports the "less important" positions actually make up most of the players. Which is where a league minimum salary comes in. So you would think the players association would be wanting to look out for the majority of players, and thus be focussing on upping the league minimum salary.

[@Slayer8957]

@@BlyGuy A salary cap is unAmerican? You do realize the two most popular sports in the USin football and basketball both have a salary cap right? Hockey has a salary cap. Even the MLS has a salary cap. Its the only soccer league in the world with a salary cap, precisely because its an american thing. Salary caps create parity. Without it, small market teams just become minor league teams for the the big markets who sign every superstar the moment they become a free agent. WIth salary caps, even small market teams can give big contracts. And how the hell is Lebron underpaid? The man can get whatever price he wants. He doesnt because he wants to win. The NBA lets any team give max contracts to their players.

[@BlyGuy]

@@Slayer8957 The salary cap suppresses the earning potential of the biggest stars, which is not capitalism and unamerican. Why do you want more money going to the owners and not the talent? Economists have done the math in terms of what players like LeBron are actually worth and at the height of his popularity, LJ should have been earning somewhere around $75 million a year from just his NBA contract, but b/c of the bullshit salary cap, the owners get to make more at the detriment of the top players. I also don't agree that the salary cap creates parity. That's a ruse the owners use and have gotten you to believe to suppress player contracts. In the NBA, the salary cap has led to super teams repeatedly forming. Without a cap, those super teams are more unlikely.

[@akajustice7099]

As someone who's currently playing baseball and wants to sign in MLB one day, this is absolutely horrible to hear. Knowing baseball may never be the same as it used to be scares me

[@KratostheThird]

@Thomas Cavanaugh If you followed the Seattle Mariners like I have for the past 20 years, then you already know how demoralizing it is to see a team reinvent itself only to fall flat on its face.

[@orangebottle9657]

@Thomas Cavanaugh I'm 25 and I haven't played since little league. I just got signed onto an MLB team as a shortstop for 240k a year. You should try out I did and I got in because I told them "baseball has problems. I'm here to solve them. I can bat, I can catch. I know my way around a mitt. Give me a chance coach." And he did. He gave me a choice of positions.

[@wintyforever]

I honestly feel like baseball is going to make a HUGE come back in the next decades

[@Dannyarc1312]

Why can’t the best teams from all over the world create a super league at this point . Have the best teams from the us , Mexico, Japan , and etc play each other. It could be a win win . Not only that , it expands the game and popularity.

[@rvog6584]

the best mexican team is mebbe aaa lvl. ditto japan. drop a bit for korea, venezula, dominica, phillipines. any otha place that even has organized leagues [europe? snicker] is low minors. @ best.

[@montrealermatt]

Do an episode on the fall of Montreal due to the '94 strike, pretty please.

[@whoisthise5501]

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[@delaneyrichardson]

I like how everything turned out completely fine lmao

[@MrBentheretwo]

This could be the perfect storm where fans use socal media to organization their own union and put pressure on both players and owners to make going to a game cheaper than a movie with free parking

[@briankoski817]

That would be way-cool. Enjoy!

[@rvog6584]

u havent held a actual wage earnin job hav u?

[@MrBentheretwo]

@@rvog6584 not where my work is paid by people that spend hard earned money to see me play

[@rvog6584]

@@MrBentheretwo wel, mlb hasn't cared bout Joe q. Fan in a long time. Sadly, their revenue is as much driven by network contracts & the like. (Bonus fun -- a work stoppage kills the value of those as wel!!)

[@MrBentheretwo]

@@rvog6584 I agree which is why they can afford to give everyone a chance to go to a game without spending a hundred dollars or more trust me if fans put up a big enough stink advertising is going to be gum shy of spending big bucks towards baseball and that's just the thing that will scare owners

[@Coda-jj]

Personally I’d like if my team could compete more then once every 7-10 yrs and rebuilding the rest. They’re all worried about putting money in their pockets then producing a good product. You lose interest and watch a whole lot less baseball when you know at the start of the season that your team sucks…again. Maybe focus on improving the game instead of worrying about pitch count.

[@douganthony6424]

than*

[@Coda-jj]

@@douganthony6424 I read messages with bad grammar and don’t feel the need to correct. I get it, it gets under your skin. Thank you for pointing out how much smarter you is then I is.

[@douganthony6424]

@@Coda-jj you're welcome

[@davidford1805]

guess you were wrong

[@liquidpebbles7475]

Just got into the mlb last season, it was great, loved the craziness of the regular season and the postseason was so weird in the best way, and now I won't be seeing more until next year, cmooon bruh

[@whoisthise5501]

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[@turtlesploodgegaming3123]

I will always side with those who do the work.

[@rvog6584]

uh, managin a large business isnt work? /smh

[@patg3331]

So tired of fucking gambling thrown in our faces everywhere. Clicked off when I saw that was the sponsor

[@TheRealityBin]

Generally I look at what the players want and realize that I'm on the owners side regarding the rules, except for the playoffs more playoff games would be a disaster

[@whoisthise5501]

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[@chrisshergie1030]

pitch clock would be epic

[@maxpowr90]

Baseball desperately needs a salary cap to add parity to the League. The other sports in the Big 4 have a salary cap and it works. You're not going to get higher salaries without adding in a cap floor which means a cap ceiling as well.

[@walker1984]

@@maxpowr90 players will never agree to this. They don't even want a luxury tax

[@maxpowr90]

@@walker1984 They want to raise the luxury tax. The reality is, if they want players to get paid more, they need a salary cap to institute a cap floor. When my Red Sox have a payroll 10x that of the Pirates, that's not competitive at all.

[@vnyand]

I'm surprised the players are advocating against luxury tax and profit sharing... those are the only things even trying to keep some form of parity in the league. Making it so big market teams really can spend to their hearts' desires would just create even greater stratification between players' salaries (those that are in big markets and those that are not) and arguably could reduce the earnings potential of most players as their teams go longer and longer without being competitive because the big markets cement their dominance.

[@joshlewis575]

But Tampa Bay continually beats the yanks n Sox. N gimme a break these owners are all billionaires n they're printing more $ every year. I'm a tigers fan n watching inherited 10 time billionaire Chris illitch pinch pennies the last few years is obnoxious. The more u spend the better your team, the better your team the more fans n longer u get to play, which means more money for the owner.

[@tobertitus]

Revenue sharing simultaneously creates an incentive for small market teams not to try. The Pirates management is perfectly happy getting their check at the end of every season they finish last. And as Josh said, all teams, no matter the market, are flush with cash. Owners that are cheap, that cry poor, make no effort to improve their team or stadiums or listen to the fanbase, are doing that by choice. Not because they're trapped in a small market or anything. They're billionaires.

[@blank-vj1mc]

@@joshlewis575 You realize owners being *worth* billions doesn’t mean they *possess* billions. Most of that value is in the team itself and they can’t just drop tons of money whenever “Josh Lewis” thinks it’s valid.

[@williamanderson6006]

@ josh Lewis when you can write like an adult ill read your post.

[@mcdibbles6611]

@@joshlewis575 you do realize the reason Tampa bay can stay competitive is because of the revenue sharing and luxury tax. If the luxury tax is gone nothing is going to stop the big market team to steal players from teams like Tampa.

[@misterm5325]

I was losing interest through the 2010s. The abomination that was 2020 was the nail in the coffin. Being a spectator of pro sports truly is a waste of time. Get a gym membership, go hiking, travel somewhere, anything. Life is too short to follow a team of wealthy guys who wouldn't even acknowledge your existence.

[@squirrel9760]

Well spoken

[@dennischen5367]

For every single person in the comments thinking that the players are paid too much: if you are the absolute, undisputable best in the world in a certain craft, AND create billions of dollars in revenue for your boss, it is only fair that you get compensated considerably better than the average Joe. It's the same (if pro sports are not more lenient) for any other professions out there really.

[@Escape600]

Just subbed, good content and keep up the great work. I’ve been watching these non stop too

[@1xayekim]

Its bad timing for a dying sport to go through this. With the rising cost of everything, gas, inflation, energy, housing and now a looming threat of war with Russia or rekindling the Cold War again I dont think too many Americans are going to be enthusiastic about a spat between millionaires and their billionaire overlords. Baseball is dying a slow and painful death and I dont think there is a way to get it back without a fundamental shift in the game and the culture. Baseball is out of touch and comes across as snobbish, devoid of enthusiasm and purpose. The youth has lost interest at the recreational level, the minor leagues eliminated 43 teams in 2020 and there are just far too many better options on tv and the internet.

[@adamm2787]

Owners lost 1 billion - Players lost 300 million 28 owners - 728 players I think I found a big part of the problem