How the Timeskip Destroys Discussion: One Piece. [NOVID 2021]

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[@napstabuuyt9672]

I agree that Chopper didn't change character after the timeskip except for being more confident. But what i don't quite like is, is that his abilities were cut down to basically only Monster-Point and Kungfu-Point, I understand that there is no point for the other forms after he got those two forms but it makes his fights not as interesting as they were pre time skip. But i do admit that the Monster-Point was perfect for the fight against Perospero and Queen.

[@puffthepirate1528]

It’s a crime Chopper didn’t use his new horn point after Fishman island. That ability is actually very unique among the Strawhats and you could do creative things with the power of digging.

[@emperorluffy6001]

It's absurd that people will act like pre and post skip Strawhats are different characters while also simultaneously believing that the Strawhats didn't change or develop. lol.

[@puffthepirate1528]

The duality of Man.

[@secretcountry]

@@puffthepirate1528 The Strawhats DID change and develop pre timeskip (except for Luffy of course). Then they stopped/don't anymore post timeskip. That's literally a huge difference. Going from dynamic to static is fundamentally different character wise. Then there's also the fact that their roles as characters / place in the story changes. They go from being the focus of the story pre timeskip, to (except for Luffy) becoming background characters post timeskip.

[@pizzweak580]

​@@secretcountry "Luffy didn't change" That's just wrong, lmao.

[@secretcountry]

@@pizzweak580 how?

[@pizzweak580]

@@secretcountry You haven't been reading the series, and it shows. He has gone through character development. Pre timeskip after his fight with Aokiji, he learns about people much stronger than him and learns to improve his abilities. Marineford, he loses Ace and with the help of Jinbei and Rayleigh, learns to deal with it better and also learns how to take deaths of his loved ones better. The list goes on, but you wouldn't know that considering you don't pay attention when you read One Piece.

[@RuyVuusen]

The pannelling problem was probably born out of necessity: if Oda wants to keep his current scope, he has to either keep pages dense or make the story longer. It's understandable to want to finish the series as long as this before age catches up. And since this is Oda's passion project and Magnum opus, I don't think he can bear to reduce the scope he wants.

[@tobiasarevalo9929]

its a stylistic choice,its a manga made by a maximalist,he chooses to make pages dense

[@-z-7392]

If Oda wanted to finish the story quicker he wouldnt introduce so many unnecessary side characters, and create the unnecessary twists that arent even good. Bro really went all the way back to Ohara to retcon it, yet his flaws dont matter because he want to "finish the story quicker"

[@RuyVuusen]

@@-z-7392 I believe he has stated he can't help but add extra details when he really likes them (which is often). If he didn't balance that out somehow (such as cramming them rather than adding pages), this story would be an eternity long. Putting it differently, he probably wants to finish the series quick, but is addicted to extra detail.

[@Puerco-Potter]

​@@RuyVuusenplus, Oda knows the Anime production is struggling at this point, they produced less and less pages per episode because they were reaching the manga. I see it as oda saying "You can only animate 2 pages per episode? Here you go, an entire chapter per page".

[@Ronin11111111]

Around WCI I watched a video where they mentioned that Chopper hasn't done anything in forever, and I was thinking "yeah that's a shame, Chopper has only done...." at which point I realised Chopper has been doing relevant things constantly. A lot of this whinging I chalk up to week-to-week fever, everybody just has way too much time over and over and over thinking every detail imaginable, constantly having to re-calibrate as new chapters come out, building up expactations and then having them subverted. It's understandable, but I can only attribute the 6 hour Drizzt video to some profound brainrot and a truly unhealthy obsession. I mean it's stupid when people treat Dragon Ball Saiyan saga onwards as a different series, but acting like pre- and post-timeskip is actually two different series is just complete lunacy, just as stupid as acting like Ennies Lobby and Water 7 are not one story arc. Calling "post-Ennies Lobby" another arc on top of that is pure insanity. (To inject a bit of nuance in the footnote: 1) I'm not saying the term pre-/post-timsekip is dumb, it's a useful term, but it's not some kind of divider where the quality just drops off 2) I actually kinda agree that Water 7 and EL have 3 acts on their own, but everything from meeting Kokoro/Aokiji to the Sunny launching into the sky is one story arc)

[@tastymango007]

But chopper had so many facettes as a character pre-timeskip. After that he just gets the worse Pikachu-treatment, because Pikachu actually does contribute to the anime. Like for example monster-chopper was one of the biggest hypes in one piece pre-timeskip. Post-timeskip it is just so disappointing everytime you see it and chopper barely uses it anyways. Also the whole chopper-having-8-zoan-forms-thing is just dropped. I can't even remember most of his timeskip-forms. The same goes for Franky. He was such a well rounded character. Nowadays his only thing is that he is a cyborg.

[@Ronin11111111]

@@tastymango007 It's fine if you feel that way. I don't.

[@tastymango007]

@@Ronin11111111 Yeah thats the great thing with observations and opinions. You don't have to agree.

[@rubixmaster7532]

Water 7 and Enies Lobby are recorded as 2 separate arcs in basically any resource that categorizes the One Piece story as arcs, what you're looking for is Long Ring Long - Water 7 - Enies Lobby - Return to Water 7 falling under one saga, or do you have a problem with Alabasta being separated from Whiskey Peak and Little Garden?

[@rubixmaster7532]

Water 7 and Enies Lobby are recorded as 2 separate arcs in basically any resource that categorizes the One Piece story as arcs, what you're looking for is Long Ring Long - Water 7 - Enies Lobby - Return to Water 7 falling under one saga, or do you have a problem with Alabasta being separated from Whiskey Peak and Little Garden?

[@carrotguy6824]

You make a great point, Puff! Made me rethink some things, but I actually noticed the crammed panels dilemma of Oda’s before. I was surprised no one was talking about it in the community, and I’m glad you did. Hopefully, Oda will be more minimalistic art-wise in later arcs, because sometimes looking at a One Piece panel is an eyesore. Anyway, sick editing, bro 😎 You’re getting better and better by the video, and I’m proud of you for that. Cheers!

[@puffthepirate1528]

Thanks! This is an automated response.

[@carrotguy6824]

@@puffthepirate1528 Very robotic and mundane, but you’re welcome!

[@naganut9718]

Honestly I really like crammed One Piece panels. It makes it looks so alive and help to make what One Piece is

[@ZhaneDFrost]

@@naganut9718 yea, me too... I also love how it sells this feeling of chaotic. And I think that's the whole point. One Piece is chaotic and even more so in post-timeskip. I feel like a lot of the argument against the crammed panel feels like it's done out of bad faith. If Oda do want to emphasize a moment of peace and tranquility or intense focus on a specific character's emotion, he would've simply minimalised the paneling. And we can clearly see that even in post-timeskip with the example given by Puff in this video. He does it a lot. People are just ignoring the context of the scene.

[@paintbrush3554]

I like that you mentioned the strawhats taking a backseat in the story is a product of the ballooning cast due to worldbuilding. I definitely agree.

[@crimsonfire6932]

Robin and nami having less fights doesn’t make them irrelevant. Both of their roles are non-combative. Nami is the navigator and robin is the ponegliff reader. These two roles instantly make them ultra important. The crew goes no where without Nami and the crew can’t find the one piece without robin. Plus they are the most intelligent people on the crew and this has been demonstrated over and over again they play other supporting roles.

[@driguesbarcellos]

too bad its a shounen

[@holow3038]

​@@driguesbarcellos not like they were so strong at the beginning to cry about them don't fighting too much

[@naganut9718]

I get OP is a battle shounen, but not every goddamn character has to be an expert in combat

[@pogo8050]

Nami has in the post timeskip fought about as much as everyone who isn’t Zoro or Luffy. Most of the battles up to Wano have been team ups where they are trying to escape someone or something. And in that sense she’s been as involved as she can. Robin not getting a true 1v1 until Black Mariah I can understand not liking. But as you say, anyone who value characters on the basis of them having a protracted melee just don’t care anyway. It’s like the people who post “Lanji Lanji Lanji” because he didn’t beat Doflamingo in Dressrosa.

[@Bobori8989]

Show me the progress of nami drawing the world map

[@inspirashamul]

Really great discussion and I really like the points you brought to counter that it is always about Pre vs Post since there's so much more nuance. My favorite part was about the crowded panels attributed to a post TS argument when like you stated perfectly it occurs after Dressrosa itself. This was an awesome literature review. A few things that I would suggest is keep the consistency of the clips used throughout your video since the quality of the clips would range from 480p-1080p and some would have subtitles vs no subtitles.

[@puffthepirate1528]

Thanks a lot! Im sure a part of the footage varying so much was because I was ripping them from several videos in the description. But there were definitely some I could have easily done something about like that Kuma Sabaody clip at 16:30.

[@cruelcumber5317]

I think that the reason you get this sort of discussion comes a lot from how Dragonball's and Naruto's timeskips were handled in anime production. In the west people often talk about Dragonball and Dragonball Z being different series because of getting the later first thus shaping our perception of the narrative when it's just one story. Similar with Naruto and Shippuden, they're a single series tackling the same ideas and forming a single overarching narrative, but because they gave a different name to the post-timeskip adaptation it's viewed as a separate entity.

[@emperorluffy6001]

Robin not getting fights doesn't make her less relevant though. So I don't agree with that criticism.

[@tesytes318]

Have you not seen wano yet ?

[@Katsunai]

​@@tesytes318"1 year ago"

[@tesytes318]

@Katsunai lol ik but wasn't gear 5th happening around this time

[@emperorluffy6001]

@@tesytes318 What does that have to do with anything? Nothing in Wano changes my argument.

[@tesytes318]

@Emperor Luffy what Robin gets a fight so what you said would have been proven wrong.

[@godusopp1797]

My belief about the Post Timeskip is that because Oda had shelved all the strawhats for nearly 100 chapters, on top of adding new developments to them all, he didn't nail writing them immediately. It's kind of noticeable in the early arcs where each crewmember is trying to show off their cool new personalities they got from maturing over the past 2 years, but then in the later arcs, they just act more natural. It feels like even though they still show off their extremities sometimes, the characters are just back to being themselves again because Oda has simply honed how to use them

[@donnieconyers2829]

yawn it's one piece so who cares.

[@godusopp1797]

@@donnieconyers2829 this is a One Piece video though, do you not like One Piece?

[@jukaa1012]

Nah the panneling issues begin in Marineford and also happen gradualiy. You can even compare arcs like Alabasta and Enies Lobby and see the difference. Its all gradual

[@puffthepirate1528]

I’m sure that’s true but it definitely spiked during marieford and the end of Dressrossa having the last full unbroken spread is definitely something noteworthy. Also the collage includes a cluttered Alabasta page so it might not be as stark a difference as you think.

[@jukaa1012]

​@@puffthepirate1528 I mean your alabasta point aides my opinion xD and true it spiked during marineford, then got a little better again during fishman but its still a gradual change. From start to finish. Its not all day everyday but the norm is cluttered now more often than not. Its just not the timeskips fault

[@Mohamadtheman]

It’s called arabasta not alabasta

[@nozarashi4329]

@@Mohamadtheman It is called Alabasta, Oda doesn't know English as well as actual English speakers. That's why every single official translation calls it Alabasta, it sounds infinitely better, and makes sense in English than "Arabasta".

[@Mohamadtheman]

@@nozarashi4329 No it’s not Alabasta and it’s not about you idiots and your English language it’s about Arabs that’s what the arc was about the setting the people all of it was Arabic and they call it arabasta in the anime it’s not an error it’s intentional because that makes more sense

[@ShiverAway]

This channel is a hidden gem WOW. I agree with all the points, and I like the way you structure your videos, its very entertaining. You definitely have a bright future on this platform

[@puffthepirate1528]

Aww jeez, thanks.

[@elsikitios]

No way its that one shinobi life 2 guy

[@Cheftimusprime]

I'm constantly validated for not participating in op community discourse. Luffy isn't libertarian, Skypiea has always been awesome, Usopp has been a brave warrior of the sea since chapter 35, arbitrary arguments about pre and post timeskip are inherently flawed and usually heavily trained by recency bias or nostalgia.

[@donnieconyers2829]

skypiea sucked and when one piece turned to shit.

[@PoNodiffs]

your statements are true as alot people say they missed robins mysterious character from pre-ts but thats like saying 'i dont want robins character to be developed and the strawhats shouldnt trust her even after 900 chapters of her being with them'.You see the only reason why she was 'mysterious' in the first place was that the crew didnt fully trust her nor did she and her character wasnt developed.After enies lobby she warmed up more to the sh and became the same charcter that is robin rn,but she does have less screen time pts but that could be said about alot of the strawhats.

[@maximillion322]

Robin was only “mysterious” as a member of the SH for Skypeia and like the first 1/3 of Water 7. I guess you could say she’s mysterious in Alabasta but we don’t hardly see her until the end and she’s so undeveloped that we don’t know literally anything about her

[@Ajollyfinelad]

I feel like she still is a little mysterious post timeskip but it might be because she gets no screen time

[@DiasOctavio]

Actually I'm pretty sure Sanji's flanderization was purposefully part of his arc post timeskip, cause he was definatly messed up mentaly after thriller bark and "nothing happening" with zoro, the guy is always wanting to prove his worth by putting his life on the line to the others straw has, give a look in the subtext of how sanji see himself

[@federicoarmada8775]

It's only an arc if it has closure tho

[@DiasOctavio]

@@federicoarmada8775 not really, but we had that, now Sanji's arc is almost complete, sinse he is dealing with he's low self esteem after realised that he is worth something in wano, now he will have an smaller arc dealing with he's own body, mind, because germa's biologic programming

[@Luvias0415]

I've been watching and enjoying One Piece for years and yeah things have changed but nothing has ruined that magic that makes me love it. One Piece has been going on for 26 years so of course there are allot of ups and downs and I'm ok with that.

[@snakeeyedreams8181]

I'm coming at this not as a One Piece fan/reader/watcher but as someone checking out the NOVID videos, so my comment is gonna look a bit different: I really like that you first established the way fan discourse and KZbin videos have framed the timeskip and then chipped away at those assumptions with clear evidence. You set up 1) hey this is what people are saying, 2) hey this ain't right ... but then 3) okay let's talk about what the timeskip actually do tho. And I think because you sort of "cleared the air" on misconceptions, it allowed you to talk frankly about how some characters DO change meaningfully during the timeskip/after, but most are still the same character and should be treated as such. Also... I dig the use of the Lain soundtrack around 13 min in. ;) coughmynovidvideowasaboutlaincough

[@puffthepirate1528]

The Lain Soundtrack is so great. I’ve wanted to try and use Lain’s theme in a video but don’t think it ever matched the tone. The soundtrack is so memorable up and down. I especially love the licensed intro by Bôa. It’s on my personal playlist. And thank you for the comment. It was lovely.

[@blackcatpirates8134]

I really don't understand why people hate the Post timeskip so much,I love both post and pre-timeskip. Post timeskip has some of the best written arcs in one piece. In simple words people don't understand Post timeskip, there's a 12 hour live stream debunking Drizzt

[@puffthepirate1528]

Yeah lots of people aren’t in agreement with Drizzts. I can definitely appreciate the amount of time he must have spent putting a 6 hour video together though. Even if I hate how he stretches out pages to fit the screen.

[@mistersureshot1749]

"Debunking"? They didn't debunk anything, hell they didn't even finish the video.

[@spritepine5345]

Mostly cause post timeskip is where the pacing in the anime becomes completely unbearable

[@Mr.Sanek2000]

Yeah people do tend to overgeneralize, that's true. But dividing the story into two huge sections is just way too convinient, and most people would say that pre- and post- time skip have a different feel to them, no matter how subjective that may be. Kinda interested about your general opinion on the Drizzt's video

[@filippvarelis1999]

You're literally the only person who I've seen seriously ask this question

[@parker4767]

Hello sorry if you dont see this but i love this video im so sick of timeskip hate when its the same story when you read it all together

[@puffthepirate1528]

Aww Jeez, thanks.

[@_b7090]

I hard disagree, there's neat differences between pre and post time skips. Just because a trend started in late pre skip you can't say it's not a post skip problem for expanding on it. I think you dismiss how big of a change it is for the crew to take a less central role, they are the main cast after all, the people you've come to the show for. Yes, it did start in impel down or at sabaody, but you can't say it characterizes pre time skip, unlike you can with post. The fact that the crew physically isn't present is also key, i think that treating impel down and marineford as transitionary arcs between pre and post time skip is more than reasonable, since they're structurally much different from all other arcs, pre and post. Also I really don't like how you responded to the criticism that robin takes a backseat role in post skip, citing how she didn't get any flights after skypiea, when she was at the center of the conflict of the two subsequent arcs.

[@_b7090]

Just the prevalence of haki, the bigger scope and shift of focus away from the cast make a huge difference in the writing, and those are things you can absolutely neatly attribute to the time skip

[@tobiasarevalo9929]

the paneling is by faaar the most one note take out there,people believe this to be objectively bad paneling,i say fuck less is more,i like maximalism and i love the UNIQUE paneling the whole manga has,its a deliberate artist choice and some will like it and some will not

[@a-zfan3229]

just found this channel. Love your stuff! You analysis of the series as well as its metatextual elements is really impressive. I look forward to the future content you put out. I can tell you work really hard to make these videos

[@puffthepirate1528]

Aww jeez, Thanks a lot. I’m glad you enjoyed.

[@evilpuff450]

Kinda neat to see good videos come from a tiny channel. If you make it big I can say I was already here. Good Luck!

[@turbidden4453]

This channel deserves more subscribers

[@BossAwesomeSauce]

zoro aint sexist hes racist 😂

[@pogo8050]

Minority hunter

[@Dmytro_Podorvan]

yeah he loves to race on his bike with chopper

[@ellytrabread]

Bringing up JoJo's as a counter for One Piece characters is so funny bc there really is no Strawhat that can compare to how drastically JoJos characters change depending on which part theyre in 😭

[@shayoko6]

i got to admit i do like the manga>anime and pretimeskip>post time skip. We used to get more focus on the crew, now there is so much going one. we don't even get much in between arks on the ship. banter and just....relaxing.... while arks have more chapters, in some ways we also feel like we rush past some ideas. wano being a notable example of this. there is a moment in wano, where ussop and nami are talking and ussop said if he were captured, he would sell out the alliance right away. i REALLY wanted this to go somewhere. the best we got was when they fought ulti leading to an amazing nami moment. but ussop getting captured could have led to some great moment. afraid but not giving in. just like luffy back when he was beat up by bluejams officer. he didn't have a notable roll during the raid anyway. so it would have been a better use of his character. this is just one example in Wano alone. wasted opportunities and ideas. Overall i love the one piece series, but it is far from perfect. we all know about characters living when they should have died.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

Wow I never noticed the cramming of post time skip panels. But I did feel like things were sort of hard to keep up with. I don’t know if this is a bad thing or a good thing or simply a neutral thing. However I will support Oda in whatever he does and I also trust him. Oda is practicing and refining the art of his panel cramming for the upcoming world war 😁

[@YightLagami]

Panel cramming just happens due to the density of the story trying to fit into a weekly story imo. As the story gets denser, Oda has to use more and more panels to tell the story. I just find it so weird to get mad about paneling but not recognize the story is just much more denser than it used to be

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

@@YightLagami because paneling like that makes it harder to follow along the story as the reader.

[@Mungdaal304]

@@youngknowledgeseeker true. Unless you are accustomed to odas artstyle. Which I'm not. So Its borderline impossible to follow along. Also maybe personal opinion but he sucks at making fights flow properly in the manga

[@Bronkonable]

@@YightLagami no he does not bro half the the density of the panels are useless reaction images that don't add anything to the story

[@SheezyBites]

Robin is largely a grappler in a series that prioritises hits; sadly I just don't think Oda knows what to do with her fighting style. It's a shame, for sure, but I'm not sure there's a good solution; her powers are pretty simply either overpower the opponent and win in an instant or struggle to do much with the main fights she has had being her limited in some way by not wanting to damage the ruins on Skypeia, or not wanting to just break the zombie Cindry in her team up with Chopper, or Trebel and Sugar both having touch based powers (and ya know, not wanting to break the neck someone she thought was a child) in her team up with Usopp. But that fight is also kinda important to mention because even though it's a two on two and doesn't get the fan focus the one on ones get it is one of the most important battles in all of the Dressrosa arc, we shouldn't be underselling Robins' importance here just because Usopp got the final "attack" (or arguably Sugar self destructed). Now sure, Nami not having one on one fights is a little more confusing given he's been actively finding ways to give her power ups to keep up with the Haki lads (and I'd argue dropped the ball by not letting her climatact eat Monet's snow snow fruit after it got a soul/personality in Zeus, but to be fair there is time and we have a vegapunk on board now so it could be time) but she has been pretty consistently the best fighter for dealing with large groups barr Luffy for a long time. Shonen prioritises the one on one fight in structure, but I think Nami probably has more KOs under her belt than any of the big 4 barr Luffy who is of course the main character and is she could get an upgrade to her cold (snow snow) and heat (daughter flame) moves the way she's gotten a buff to lightning she should be able to keep that lead no issue.

[@Daft0Cean968]

I feel like it's partly due to how post ts is more recent. I mean going back to when Enies Lobby came out, people had complains back then which over time basically no one says anymore.

[@Corredor1230]

People saying Dressrosa is "too long" while ignoring that Water 7-Enies Lobby is literally the longest arc in the entire series, and treating Water 7-Enies Lobby like different arcs simply because they're on a different island, really does get on my nerves. Dressrosa is also a brilliant arc on its own, but obviously the anime only made it suck in many people's eyes.

[@yllcakiqi]

if enies lobby and water 7 is the same arc so is punk hazard and dressrosa

[@scapeshiftmeta]

Used to really enjoy listening to Drizzt videos years ago because he had a lot of thoughtful things to say, but I got sick of him being such a cynical little man.

[@mr.thinmint2848]

I personally think the reason people say the Strawhats feel different post-timeskip is because Oda spends too much time on other characters, not giving the Strawhats as much attention. For example, Wano is an enormous arc and how many chapters did some of the Strawhat fights last? Wano is WAY too bloated and the Strawhats kind of feel like an afterthought. Even Kaido felt like an afterthought and he was supposed to be the big bad.

[@Terminator1732]

Well i belive that elbaf the gate to the mid-late game ist and that robin gets big action and lots of importand stuff

[@stormRed]

I think that not all, but most of the issues people have with 'modern' one piece is mainly a rationalization of their nostalgia. From personal experience, there is just no substitute for a cherished memory, and for most fans at this point that's what the pre timeskip era is. There are as many amazing story lines in both halves in my opinion.

[@Haheehahohaheehoha]

Okay story lines sure, but originality, pacing, character developments, main character designs, comedic timings, interesting conflicts based around more than just power (i.e. Luffy vs Crocodile with water, Luffy vs Enel, Nami vs Kalifa, ALL of Usopp's old fights), wholesome between-arc downtimes that flesh out character relationships and crew politics, lessened corporate influence for marketing's sake... I'm sorry but pre-timeskip just slaughters its sucessing half far and away on all of those points, and you're really just fooling yourself if you don't see it. Post-timeskip has its qualities too, but they come with HEAVY sacrifices.

[@ZorinMotion]

I watched all one piece just last year, so nostalgia isnt relevant for me, and yes, pre scip was better. I noticed decline in story and all that stuff right when fish man island begin. After that was some cool moments, but pre was better

[@YightLagami]

@@ZorinMotion The OP anime has problems due to animation/pacing which becomes problematic since Enies Lobby and only went downward in terms of pacing and animation til Wano which has really good animation but still slow pacing.

[@Mungdaal304]

@@YightLagami very good way of describing it. That's exactly what I noticed through my 3 years of catch up

[@Gin-San101]

​@@Haheehahohaheehoha the character development obviously is gonna happen in early parts of the story, what is it with people who want character development 1. Most of the time they don't even know what it means 2. What would already established characters develope into? Sorry but this isn't Naruto where the characters do a 180 for no reason. Poorly done and unnecessary character development is far worse than a character having no development. Fights were more creative back then because they were weaker. We just got Zou, Fishman Island, and other times of wholesome interactions and im not sure if you noticed but they aren't playing pirates they are pirates, they can't goof off at any time, they weren't fighting yonkos back then. Crew politics? What are you reading? The crew could care less about status on the ship. There is no corporate marketing besides at most merchandise which is harmless. No pre does not slaughter, both pre and post are equally good

[@paintbrush3554]

If the anime wanted to make Nico resemble the manga they would give her brown eyes. So now she doesn't look like either established version of herself. Its been over half a decade but I still think post time skip anime Nico looks the lamest and least unique.

[@Mystic_Ronin]

I fully agree. I think Development and growth in a story full of unique characters such as one piece, Is very important. Especially when it takes place in a world, where the protagonist and the side characters must grow and get to stronger in order to progress. Its like if romance dawn luffy just skipped everything and went up agianst kaido. He'd get completely obliterated. sort of like that meme: When you skip all the side quests and go straight to the final boss meme.

[@mocha4301]

Shame on everyone who disrespects Chopper. Not afraid to go all out against a female Yonko meanwhile Zoro cant even cut a little bird lmao

[@puffthepirate1528]

No wonder Oda made his end game opponent weaker than Vista.

[@sonwukong6486]

How is he weaker than Vista?

[@bravingbrivatebrian]

If you dont like one piece and still watch it you are insane. This is the last show any normal person would hate watch.

[@federicoarmada8775]

I've never seen anyone blaming the timeskip itself for those problems. Think of it as, if you have to draw a line from when you can't recommend/defend the story as much as before, in order to showcase the problems/changes that kept progressively accumulating, it's easier to use the point where the story as a whole stops and starts again rather than talking about every arc one at a time.

[@joy4themightydonutchainsaw620]

17:00 There’s just a lot of characters to explore and Oda will definitely focus less on the Straw Hats to give others more shine. Example that mini arc interlude thing we got during Egghead.

[@yabeguns1ezu]

"No no no the the series isn't shit AFTER the timeskip, it was shit before then too!" Nice argument. Drizzt covered every base there is, and he's right. The series has major flaws and they've been getting worse and worse, especially from the last couple arcs. Once you're off the copium you'll see it too.

[@FangLeng-lh4gn]

We are definitely lost Brothers. Waiting for Drizzt to upload wano analysis already and watching Mystic D Chimp for every chapter

[@yabeguns1ezu]

@@FangLeng-lh4gn The wait is killing me.

[@Sudafedz]

🤓

[@yabeguns1ezu]

@@Sudafedz 🤡

[@pie6029]

The manga panel cramming is the reason I'm anime only. When I reached EP 1000 (currently the last one of the german dub), I tried reading the manga. I read one chapter and didn't understand what just happened at all.

[@philburdell9235]

Toshinori Fukazawa was director when One Piece was a powerpoint presentation.

[@Serocco]

I'm hearing Gravity Rush's theme song, let's gooooo

[@puffthepirate1528]

I get unbelievably happy when I see another gravity Rush fan. Thank you for making my day!

[@obba40]

Idk all i know that Drizzt and GrandLineReview are annoying to me lol

[@Mungdaal304]

Grand line review makes me wanna jump off of a bridge

[@moonlight2870]

I don't know dude, that sounds like a pretimeskip enjoyer talking.

[@chezmix64]

As someone who loves one piece and revisits the anime regularly, I gotta admit. The only genuinely good adaptation is the alabasta saga

[@NoBody-px5zc]

All the strawhats are all gonna get to have cool fights when they go up against the Blackbeard Pirates fr

[@tronyboy6016]

I will say this every one piece episode has roughly 2 months of production from pre production to release. That’s why for example Megumi Ishitani who has done some of the most acclaimed episodes in wano, can only work on one episode every 2 months. It’s not cause they don’t choose to use her more they know how long even a lower budget episode takes. And have to plan out what chapters she and other directors should adapt months in advanced and make sure they aren’t working on an episode during that time

[@elfascisto6549]

It should be pre - post water7 arc and post-post water7 arc

[@michaelbraxton137]

Great video you deserve more subs will you continue to make more videos

[@puffthepirate1528]

Yes! kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6C7f5eFl8t1nbc

[@janmalawski4339]

About messy paneling. I remember back when Marineford was being serialized people were already complaining about that.

[@janmalawski4339]

Shit, you do say about this later in the video actually. I should finish videos first, comment later : P

[@Strawfruit1413]

"the people who hate one piece the most are one piece fans" - someone on the internet I forgot who

[@taczpat5610]

Both, both are good

[@mehmetimeri4570]

before time skip oda showed us how stron world goverment is now he will show us how stong yoknkos are the problem is to toei animation they are runing one piece its now half a chapter is a episode toei needs to stop one piece for a year

[@xenon6947]

Around 2016, I was one of the many who stopped following post time skip. One piece now seems contrived and repetitious, not at all like adventure. Why the same plot and every island need to be saved by strawhat. It seems like a gang war. I only started to reconnect with one piece due to “Minority hunter Zoro” meme. However, since people who followed one piece since mid 2000s or late 1990s have stopped reading One Piece, you won’t hear complaints about post time skip.

[@ShokoArc]

You need more subs

[@puffthepirate1528]

Aww jeez. Thanks.

[@micahbost4438]

facts

[@JoshucaVA]

Dang you made a big mistake here There was no digital animation pretimeskip aside from the movies It was actually the first episode of post-timeskip that they switched to digital Also, they do not make an entire episode in one week, that's ridiculous

[@Buck-You-Fitch]

my favorite crew members pre vs post 1 sanji 2 nami 3 luffy 4 zoro 5 robin 6 ussop 7 franky 8 jimbe 9 chopper 10 brook post : 1 luffy 2 robin 3 nami 4 jimbe 5 zoro 6 franky 7 ussop 8 brook 9 chopper 10 sanji

[@bad8367]

sick editing lmao

[@Pnb_daniel]

Zoomin zoomin zoomin zoomin

[@icriinside9305]

oda doesn't have infinite pages and times as op expanded in scope he had to cram stuff in so even tho the old art style was good i don't mind the cramming. also, robin not getting fights doesn't take away from the story at all cuz she's not a fighter to being with neither nami

[@CrebbiFR]

One piece isnt about fights, its about the world and the people living in it, fights arent the top priority. Brook has never even had an official 1-on-1 fight, but hes still proven him self as essential to the crew time and time again as a stealth agent (breaking caramels painting in WCI, Searching for intel in various arcs ETC.) you dont need fights to be relevant or important. Every member does something essential for the crew and all fill their roles perfectly.

[@solidifiedwatergatherer]

Yeah, I think Robin has done a lot of shit during the timeskip arcs and has become pretty essential to the team despite not having any major fights. It doesn't really matter if a character has major fights or not. Like half of the strawhats don't get major fights but that doesn't mean they aren't important, like Chopper doesn't fight but he still does so much for the team, like rescuing those goofy ass kids in Punk Hazard, taking control of the mirror world in Whole cake, and curing a fatal disease in less than an hour in Wano.

[@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n]

3:40 this is why im of the mind that whatever is the form of the show you fell in love with is just what you should stick with since people who are the super hardcore manga fans no matter what will hate the anime and think that it doesnt capture the beauty of the manga ignoring that by and large, its the STUDIOS not being able to risk suck big ventures and give to many episodes at once meaning things need to be cut back at times even if i am of the mind that show writers need to just have the balls to just go for it and cut nothing out to make sure the story gets the time it needs to breathe with on the other hand tho, if the end product is still enjoyable, dont lament it because it didnt live up to YOUR expectations which on the face of it with how anime has ALWAYS worked are basically unreasonable still as it stands until all the modern studios die out and get replaced with new ones that have the og authors come in and write the acutal show and direct it rather than have them as 'creative directors' who help advise the show. basically people need to chill and if they wanna see change than find a way to work up a lot of money so you can be the one to pay these guys and get them the teams they need to produce their manga into anime or just accept what we are stuck with while complaining on your own time.

[@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n]

10:17 so far i agree with ya for the most part bar that one comment of mine about how im of the mind that manga enjoyers should just stick the manga if your the type to be unable to focus on anything else when smaller details get cut out from an anime adaptation cause shit can only get so many episodes and last so long. on this front tho, the most i noticed was simply stuff like luffy fighting smarter which mind you, i would say he still ultimately fights as unintelligently as in past cause hes not intelligent but simply smart and the difference is one is natural and the other is learned. because of rayliegh likely having tried to teach him all about as many possible fight senearios he could, luffy learned what is serious and what isnt and how to properly assess situations while also knowing what he should do in those more serious situations as opposed to shit like back in arlong park where he tried using arlongs teeth not for fun but because he hadnt learned yet and figured if they worked so good on him than biting arlong back with them would hurt him just as much trying to gauge how much dmg they did to himself and figuring arlong couldnt take it cause he also still had issues fully gauging enemy strength and durability aside from what nami said of "hes like a beast when a strong foe is around, always knowing who HIS target is and how it is HE has to defeat for their victory to be possible'

[@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n]

13:20 yea the issue isnt sexism but is just the fact that not only has his one job throughout one piece been his own self appointed role as THE PROTECTOR OF THE STRAWHATS meaning protetictive insincts were things he already had very deeply but have only been engraned futher as time as gone on with him filling this role and beyond that, any guy can tell ya that throughout their childhood they were almost 100% told shit like "dont hurt a lady, your stronger than them on average so you gotta be gentler!" or "be careful since girls arent usually as strong as boys so be careful not to hurt them!" and even now for me and i am almost certain every person who calls zoro sexist, if you actually put yourself in his shoes and think about that type of situation where there is a beyond beautiful women far weaker than you in front of ya, you might be just as inclined to not actually hurt them even after seeing them help people use children for experiments and try to kill you... like flat out thats just the nature of how our base ape brain instincts have evolved since the species has always survived better when men have the instinct to protect the women becuase women are the ones who give birth and perpetuate the mans genes in their child so natural selection and social pressures for better or worse make zoro weak on that front and unable to compete which i would bet zoro sees as the reason women as a base actually STRONGER than him because they dont have the same preconcieved notions to never hurt a woman or man and are heavily encouraged to protect themselves however they can making it so if a woman matched his power than he would be helpless and most assuradly die to them if someone like tashigi or nami or robin couldnt come along to help him finish them... like thats probably also now one more reason he has to become as strong as possible so he can never get over powered like that knowing its his weakness and one thats totally irrational as he KNOWS female swordsman can be just as strong as men...

[@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n]

16:00 personally i dont see why THE SAME PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS GETTING MORE BASIC SHONNENEY complain that she hasnt gotten enough fights... like she contributes arguably more as a support using her extremely versitile but also poor combat potential to help her crew achieve the main goals of the arc with arguably she has done the absolute MOST on that front just like ussop doesnt tend to get battles but times to excell intellectually and find ways to save the crew creatively like in yes the filler arc G-8 which i still stand by as one of the best arc even if its filler cause jonathan is my boi, ussop as an example was the one who figured out how they could get the sunny outta there providing the dials needed and intellect needed to make a plan that would have them use a impact dial to blast outta there while the rest of the crew uses one of his flame dials to fill the octopus back up with hot air so they can fly outta there and hell, he was the one who lowered their velocity coming into G-8 in the first place so they didnt explode into a billion pieces on impact and robin not only got the crew in line and performed EXCELLENT spy work while keeping tabs on the enemy spying on her during it but also made it even possible for them to fill the octopus back up with her devil fruit. like srly until recently with the development of her haki and ACTUALLY combat training from the revolutionary army, she didnt even have a remotely good way to handle anyone of any serious strength so her fights would either have to be onesided for or against her for them to make sense. honestly the fact that people cant grasp that this series has always been different with the crew not all needing to be master shonnen fighters who can handle anything confuses me why people even fell for it in the first place....

[@trashiki]

@@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n Do you think Zoro was told to go easy on girls growing up?

[@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n]

@@trashiki did you see Kuina's father? There's no way the hell that guy didn't believe the toxic masculine ideals I've also shaped like men should never heard women and need to protect them at all costs...

[@jakesevere9165]

the art pre time skip will never be beaten

[@Dizzyrose12]

I found this video on Amino.

[@puffthepirate1528]

Nice.

[@anmolt3840051]

Zoro isn't sexist ... but he *is* racist

[@Mungdaal304]

My favorite racist at that

[@trashiki]

Haha first

[@puffthepirate1528]

Wow, Congrats!

[@bubbles261]

Lucky -will of p

[@zeromagnum2811]

Sanji didn't really change though time skip/pre timeskip personality wise. It just blew it to over 9000 in excessive absurdity for running gag laughs in japan. Sanji's white knight code isn't fringed upon by his perve nature in punk hazard because he is a simp idiot when it comes to women. He was from day one. But Ivankov's island made him become excessive with it when before he was toned down some. So if a woman obsessed simp gets put in a womans body, he would act exactly as sanji did in punk hazard. Chopper is the same character with more experience with a altered design to sell plush toys. Which is completely the reason for the design change on him. He went from a beast man hybrid kinda cool looking to being a living plush doll look. That was marketing and toy inspired for the cash it would rake in from kids that want a Chopper plushy. The change in draw/animation style account for the new looks to Nami and Robin as the art style changed at fishman island. Nami and Robin got aged up two years and the altered style expanded their bust size. But when you see the older scenes reanimated you see the eyes have current look and body design just with the old hair style. Its also because after 20 years of doing it oda's drawing improved and he enhanced the designs. But with anything people complain because they dont like change.

[@zsedcftglkjh]

Timeskip KILLED Sanji's character.

[@FangLeng-lh4gn]

Nami and Robin and Franky

[@achmahnsch]

not really. Granted until dressrosa he was a bit weird but whole cake sanji beats pre time sjip any day of the week

[@kanyeet5162]

​@@achmahnsch Whole cake Sanji completely disregards his development and makes stupid

[@achmahnsch]

@@kanyeet5162 probably one of the worst opinions ever have ever heard about Sanji as a character

[@JmanAnimates]

Pre time skip hands down

[@afro025]

Glad you actually acknowledged the paneling problem One Piece has. That's genuinely the reason why I ended up dropping the series, and why I prefer earlier sagas like East Blue or Alabasta But idk why you're acting like One Piece episodes are made within a week. Ik you never explictly said that, but you put such a heavy emphasis on the fact that "they need to make an episode every week" that you ignore how long an episode in actuality takes. This isn’t South Park animation, this is Toei animation. And lookimg at how long it took for one episode of Dragon Ball to be made considering it's a weekly anime, One Piece most likely took the same amount of time as well per episode (before Wano), that being 2 months

[@FangLeng-lh4gn]

Pre-time skip was Goated. Post time skip is A$$ recent example would be Hiyori saying Kurozumi was Born to Burn which Shits on whole Ace and WB story and Robin's Story. Post time skip was a mistakes and Fan base just telling Blue pills

[@Saleem__786]

Oda explained the Hiyori scene. You people are so stupid that he had to explain it, just drop the series lmao

[@roboslacker5593]

I think you focused too much on the semantics of Pre and Post timeskip

[@anime_world6684]

If you think water 7 and ennies lobby are the same arc then does that mean every other saga like east blue or paramount war mean it’s the same story cause different locations doesn’t mean different arcs right

[@trashiki]

Do you think the Onigashima raid is a different arc than Wano?

[@anime_world6684]

@@trashiki no what, onigashima raid is just act 3 of wano it wasn’t split How about just search up one piece arcs if they are set in the same island yet considered different arcs

[@trashiki]

@@anime_world6684 you mean the one piece arcs on the wiki? Those are fan decided arc separations? Also you’re losing me on your point. Is it that if enies lobby and water 7 are one arc all of the east blue would also need to be one arc?

[@anime_world6684]

@@trashiki I mean if paramount war saga is about being in marineford then any build up arc like impel down is separate just because there very close in the timeline doesn’t mean they take place in the same arc An easy way to figure it out is 1. one piece arcs are named by island, water 7 and ennies lobby are about those separate islands 2. The clothes choice water 7 had a lighter toon since the beginning of the series so luffy had red shirt blue pants but in ennies lobby when things got serious the the straw hats are getting more involved with facing the world so luffy wore red shirt black pants showing the darker toon, same thing in future arcs to fit the narrative

[@trashiki]

@@anime_world6684 ok cool. Onigashima is a different location than the rest of wano and much of the main cast get new more serious battle outfits for it then they had during the rest of wano. So by your logic, onigashima is a different arc than wano.

[@TheYodelingViking]

Those that complained about Nami and Robin (2 of the weakest members fighting wise that don't aspire to be strong like Luffy wanting to be able to protect the people he loves, Zoro wanting to be the greatest swordsman and Sanji wanting to be able to protect the crew if the other 2 aren't around). Sanji Post timeskip until Wano only got 1 fight that he actually won in Fishman Island. In Punk Hazard he clashed with Vergo, but Law ultimately took over the fight. In Dressrosa he clashed with Doflamingo, but again didn't fight him. Even in WCI his own arc he didn't get a fight, but instead baked a cake to calm down Big Mom. One Piece isn't about fighting, but for the crew to show why their the best for their position on the crew and how they aspire to reach their dream. Luffy constantly proves his crew is the greatest and didn't get a helmsman until recently because he only recently found the absolute best for the position by luck, instinct and being able to read people. Zoro always fights opponents that gets him closer to his goal. Sanji always improves his craft as a cook and sails with the crew hoping to find the All Blue. Nami we know draws a map of every island she visits so that one day she can create a map that shows the entire One Piece world. Usopp gets stronger, braver and more competent each arc (He takes oppurtunities to fight people now only on the run to gain distance since he's a sniper and short distance isn't his way of fighting). Chopper gains more medical knowledge and can cure more diseases than most doctors even curing a virus that was just created by Queen. Robin always reads Poneglyphs with the one she's looking for is on Laugh Tale, but as Rayleigh said she should take her time to get to know the World and each location and unlike them not rush it (Feels like this is Odas way of saying how we feel at the end will be much more satisfactory if we take our time with it rather than rush it). Franky just wants to see his ship sail to Laugh Tale. Brook wants to see Laboon once they have sailed through the New World. All their dreams are actively following their dreams. They just don't rush their dreams because a part of the message of One Piece which is also part of the time skip is don't rush it. Train to grow stronger so you can face new challenges and don't forget to enjoy your adventure with your friends.

[@zsedcftglkjh]

Most of that character growth is in your own head. There's very little growth shown in the show anymore. I can't remember the last time I saw Nami drawing a map or Sanji asking about the Big Blue. Show don't tell.

[@SuperPlacido1]

What does "waifu" mean?

[@insatiablehunger2138]

Have u read boichi ace chapters?

[@puffthepirate1528]

I have. It was interesting to see One Piece’s characters in a hyper detailed style like Boichi’s.

[@Wusaruful]

pre time skip is better and anyone with a supreme palette would know

[@gdulheflljasduhdzccvm9926]

800 likes for 23k just delete it

[@elliotwilmo1286]

Put it like this. FIRST - watch 1 episode from East Blue and then Marineford. Both "Pre-Time Skip" OP. Try noticing how many blunt and subtle differences there are between the two episodes. You can't, because there's so many. SECOND - now watch 1 episode from Return to Sabaody. Notice how similar it is in production to Marineford compared to East Blue.

[@ZhaneDFrost]

One thing that I like to defend about Sanji groping Nami scene, he didn't do it out of malice. He was genuinely feeling tired from running in Nami's body due to her not having as much stamina as him. He was holding his chest cause he was tired and that's what ended up causing him to "grope" her.

[@FangLeng-lh4gn]

stop bro you act like he never did that shit before

[@nathandanczak7822]

@fangleng-lh4gn Even then, it's never a big deal at all. Japan isn't harping on sexual humor like North American prudes are. That scene was amazing!

[@FangLeng-lh4gn]

@@nathandanczak7822 oh that same Japan who had CP as legal thing till 2014 🤮 atleast think before saying stuff

[@nathandanczak7822]

@@FangLeng-lh4gn Wow, a bad faith accusation. That’s natural from people like you.

[@gurwinder4me]

So basically you are saying OP always been lame

[@puffthepirate1528]

Bingo

[@Mungdaal304]

Damn. You are the only one that figured it out

[@幽霊船-o4h]

You mean great*

[@Mungdaal304]

Not a one piece manga reader I'm an anime only. I just watch videos on the new chapters because I feel like oda is horrible at drawing fights Really it's hard to follow anything that man draws. I mention all that to say. Yeah the one piece anime is rough at points. Especially after the timeskip. God it's horrible after the timeskip. Each week we get like 4 pages adapted lmao. I enjoyed the anime up to the timeskip. Doesnt help we had a whole arc that was horribly paced happen right after It. I got Fishman PTSD. I dont have any facts to prove the timeskip changed a lot. But I can tell you the feeling of each arc changed drastically. Also any fucking soul on this planet that uses some twilight princess music in their video gets a wet kiss on da cheek

[@MagiaBased]

I just don't like the Powercreep, that really went out of proportion after the Time skip.

[@nicholasdavis8909]

Ngl it’s not that hard to understand. Pre time skip was better and more detailed imo.

[@ReiseLukas]

In short you either didn't watch the video or learned nothing from it.

[@Mungdaal304]

@@ReiseLukas or the most likely 3rd option. He watched the video and it didn't change his opinion. Like me

[@ahmadazem4167]

what does more detailed even mean here?

[@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou]

@@ReiseLukas op fans trying to except other peoples opinions Challenge: impossible

[@Maybe73]

​@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyoupeople realizing opinions can be wrong Impossible

[@emperorluffy6001]

Also Sanji's situation on Punk Hazard doesn't contradict his chivalry. He's groping himself in that situation.

[@puffthepirate1528]

I get that the body swapping makes the morality of it weird and unclear. But with Nami clearly objecting it’s so close to what Absolam don’t I want to defend it.

[@bad8367]

@@puffthepirate1528 i agree, sanji was s harassing in ph

[@Mohamadtheman]

Completely disagree this is factually wrong when people still discuss one piece after every chapter

[@Timo-rm6bg]

I agree with this video but not the nico robin part. Yes she did not fight alone from skypeia to timeskip but cmon. Water 7 / enies lobby was almost all about her and in thriller bark she fought oars with everyone. Sanji did not even really have a fight that arc except for absalom but it was real short and doesnt really count

[@vojinvmilojkovic7622]

Tbh for some strange reason, i am just not fond of oversexualized elements present, sometimes I'm still baffled to see those in such a "unique art style", cant say i don't relate with Sanji on many occasions xd

[@Mungdaal304]

I cant relate to sanji because I just dont have that simp in me. But I absolutely love his character because hes a simp lmao

[@vojinvmilojkovic7622]

@@Mungdaal304 I relate to Sanji on multiple levels beside that simp xd i mean in sense, when we have half naked warrior like Rebeca xd one cant stay indifferent hahaha

[@Stillwins]

Who cares, it’s about the grand scope of the story then these weak ass points designated for complaints. I love O P just as much today as I did when I first read it in 2005. Y’all are bored.