How the UNSC could have won the BATTLE FOR EARTH | Halo Battle Breakdown

On today's episode of Halo: Battle Breakdown, we examine how the UNSC could have won the Battle of Earth, as featured in Halo 2 and Halo 3.
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[@jabulinatheseal1406]

EckhartsLadder ot sucks that this channel isn’t any more popular. The content is great, keep it up

[@Raving_Rando]

Question: Did the Covenant not launch their own fighters? Last I checked we're never told. Because if they did, then the boarding craft would have had good cover.

[@sicariusvast9555]

Do you consider doing more starwars vs 40k videos ? because there are a ton of things you could match against each other. And most importantly, it would be super *interresting* if you chose the right things to compare to eachother .

[@DerpyTurtle0762]

1 Recuscant and 2 Munificents vs 1 Resurgent

[@kilijanek]

You forget about what Covies did to MAC Platforms at Reach. They made jumps in close proximity of platforms. If corse plotted correctly, you could destroy MAC cluster within seconds. This wonders me, why Covies did not jump 2-3 CCS for each cluster. Destroying 1-2 MACs in 2-3 clusters would allow them to reach Earth - it would open path for CAS.

[@noahhastings6145]

Elite: "Fleetmaster, we have them outnumbered 15:1!" Fleetmaster: "Then the plot armor makes it an even fight"

[@britain6834]

I don’t want to ruin the 169th.

[@ZillennialJ]

Those MAC stations are a complete different class, and can take down multiple Covenant vessels; so yes, it is an even fight!

[@saldar2722]

The Covenant won for plot reasons. If this was a straight up fight between the two forces, without the context of the Covenant needing to get to Earth for story reasons, then those 15 ships would have easily been defeated, every single time.

[@saldar2722]

Again, that was for plot reasons. We see that one of the carriers flew straight past Cairo station, at a time when the stations main gun was operational and firing. That Carrier in reality should never have been able to get anywhere near the station, let alone get past it. The Orbital Defence Platforms are not stationary, they have the ability to orient themselves, giving them a huge firing arc.

[@saldar2722]

KZbin Account #2 MAC defence platforms can destroy any Covenant ship in a single shot. Plus, when the targeting is being handled by an artificial intelligence like Cortana, they are almost guaranteed to hit every time.

[@snperkiller1054]

Saladar272 , yep the only thing that let covenant pass wasa huge amount of plot-armor

[@headlesshorseman900]

A mac round can punch a hole through a ship. Where that shot lands determines if it's dead. You can seal decks and survive if nothing crucial is destroyed. Considering it was the only ship to make it through, I'd say they rushed the gap they created. You dont know what the Cairo was targeting while that ship made a run for it. I could have been firing on the other 20 ships coming at them.

[@saldar2722]

True, however, you have to remember that the UNSC had dozens of ships in the area. They were ordered to protect the Cairo, Athens, and Malta. Their combined fire, plus the Cairo, should have obliterated any Covenant ship.

[@029arbiter]

Nice break down, but I think you got something wrong a little. The unsc’s Didn’t ignore the boarding parties, they figure that the fleet is weirdly small compared to reach, they thought there might be another wave entering else where, in respond they didn’t engage the fleet with all of their resources, but waiting for another wave, which allows the boarding parties to have a chance entering odps. And another point where you might be wrong is, the boarding ship is in the hundreds, yet the ships actually gets to the 3 ODPs is in dozens, means that the unsc is actually focusing on taking the boarding ships down, but Covenant succeeded using horde tactics to get to the platforms. You can see those details in the cutscenes and gameplay.

[@029arbiter]

And Another point is, the UNSC’s lost isn’t due to this breach, they actually fought for weeks on space and ground. It’s multiple enormous wave of truth’s fleet that dwindled down and eventually destroyed the defence of earth. Sources from the novels.

[@theconeezeanemperor1619]

Agreed, we need to make sure he sees it. This is exactly what I thought as I watched, it was classic Soviet style mass rush which got through. Furthermore, one must consider the fact that I dare say the boarding craft would be escorted with Covie fighters, such as space Banshees and Seraphs, which would be able to at least distract and hold off the Long Swords even if they did Engauge.

[@Raving_Rando]

I wish Ecks would see this comment. It's very informative.

[@SungJaeUng3]

Yes! Thank you! Also going to add my hopes that EckhartsLadder acknowledges this, because the battle for Earth is actually incredibly unique. Covenant naval doctrine, for the vast majority of the war, IS NOT SUBTLE. In early engagements, human captains quickly notice that covenant capital ships always take up an aggressive posture. This doctrine lines up well after the disposition of the sangheili is further explored, and their naturally aggressive glory hungry tendencies become obvious. However, instead of a large fleet showing up and the sangheili shipmasters charging straight in to danger for the chance at being the martyrs that died taking down the formidable ODPs and setting the rest of the fleet up for a classic(honestly napoleonic) cavalry style breakthrough, they hold position outside of the killzone. 4th quarter of the game, only a couple minutes left on the clock in terms of how long this war has been, and suddenly two very strange things happen. Covenant fleet shows up, but it is 1/50 the size of the fleet that attacked Reach. Instead of charging headlong in to danger and adopting that classic sangheili aggressive posture, they hold position; even allowing a HUMAN shipmaster to take the initiative, and even though it was called off, didn't respond to the initial charge that fleet admiral Harper had intended to spearhead. In Hood's mind, knowing everything he knows and after seeing decades worth of Covenant invasions, that tiny and seemingly almost tentative fleet would've had to be driving him crazy with questions. What would make a sangheili shipmaster bring such a small fleet to assault the human homeworld, and after clearly being challenged by a fleet of "puny pathetic humans," would stay the shipmaster's natural response which would be to start tearing the human ships to pieces? Remember, it's not until the super carrier breaks orbit and settles over New Mombasa that they discover that it is a prophet whose ultimately in charge. San Shyuum tactics, their willingness to use manuevers that could be considered "sneaky," has never been seen before. In all the major covenant assaults on human worlds, he has never seen how a prophet conducts an invasion. As for the boarders, the reason they vocalize the line "boarding craft, and LOTS of them" instead of just leaving the quantity vague or only having the number of boarding craft just be represented by the number on a screen in the background, was to emphasize "hey, well there might not be as many capital ships as we were expecting, but the boarding crafts are here in the volume we're used to seeing." There were just too many to shoot all of them down. Now, again, here we see something unique; something new. At Reach, Covenant ships fought their way close enough to the planet that they could deploy ground troops. It was costly, but it was a VERY sangheili approach to the problem. Again, assuming he's dealing with an Elite leading the assault, Hood sees the boarding craft, but he has an ace up his sleeve. While the boarders sent to the Athens and Tmulsa might cause some havok, it will take them time to fight their way through the ODP's considerably beefed up garrisons worth of marines which they would have to go through to get to any vital systems which could take the guns offline. And even if they did manage to take those two platforms down eventually, the only way to get the super carrier past that cluster was to take down all three platforms; and the greatest soldier in human history who just got his armor upgraded and has the support of a fully prepared marine garrison is standing right in front of him on that third platform. But, here comes the thing he has never seen a sangheili strike force do; sneak a bomb onboard a vessel. Not an honorable fight to the death like an Elite commander would do, but just bring something that causes a big enough boom to make fighting irrelevent. Lord Hood was learning the difference(just like we were on that first play through) between fighting an Elite and fighting a Prophet.

[@Vigilante-3-1]

A mass attack that overwhelms the defences of the enemy is called Saturation Attack

[@hillbilly5609]

Troop transports arent meant for combat. Clone pilot: Hold my beer

[@massineben7198]

AAR fleet : hold up, coming through.

[@mihailazar2487]

explain

[@hillbilly5609]

Mihai Lazar Explain what

[@goosestepper22]

I laughed waaaaaay to hard at that. Lol

[@juanmaragon8432]

That comment this the best one yet 😂😂

[@captainkeyes1523]

I don’t see how they lost other then plot armor. 20 ODPs at Reach held off 300 Covenant Ships. How did 13 covenant ships blow past 300 ODPs? It was just for narrative

[@TheHalcyonTwilight]

Well the majority of the ODPs, at least half, would be shadowed by Earth itself. I do still find it weird that only one cluster was in effective range though. You'd expect even distant ones to be good out to at least Lunar Orbit range.

[@MFenix206]

you forget reach had a defense fleet of nearly 200 ships itself, including one of the last UNSC Fleet carriers (a 4 km long behemoth of a ship) they also utilized the repair platform trick again so that their ships got 2 free volleys. i would say Regret (being an alien bastard) would probably have gotten blown sky high trying to land, but once he was below the grid, you do NOT point a gun that big at a continent. once the UNSC fleet engaged the covenant in a brawl, the ODP's would have to hold fire lest they blow up their own ships.

[@cgi2002]

In all truth they didn't lose the battle of earth then. The UNSC won this battle, consider 300 odps so at most you have 75 able to see a single location. Say only 25 are in "range"(thats a joke in space with something travelling that fast. Range would be out beyond mars, accurate range would be far shorter tho). A fleet of this size wouldn't be able to win this battle. They could however with a healthy dose of plot armour get beyond the odps (both CSO's somehow managed that). As for the actual battle for earth its never seen but it should reasonably be assumed that once the covenant doscovered earth was humanities homeworld the fleet sent would be in the 100's or more (hell they already lost a huge fleet weeks earlier that was coming to earth). If you go by the books alone the fleet guarding high charity was tens of thousands of ships, something tells me the covenant navy had alot of ships to spare before the civil war.

[@hermeister3870]

cgi2002 like seriously you have 3 odp for every covenant ship X D

[@King-gv4lg]

Admiral Tradius Ahern Alien magic, thats why

[@IrishPhoenix7]

Me: *sees Eckhartsladder notification* “Boss I’m going on break!” Boss: “Wait what?” Me: *disappears to watch video*

[@ItsDaKoolaidDude]

Boss: *investigates, sees Eckhartsladder video* "Budge over I wanna see this."

[@vinifalleroliveira]

"No, you're not!"

[@ItsDaKoolaidDude]

"Boi, you better budge on over and lemmie see or I'm blocking KZbin from this building."

[@thefallenC073]

Donald Trump: “your fired”

[@kennethkates3140]

Personal shield technology compared: Dune, Halo, Star Wars and Stargate

[@EBarracuda]

This is actually pretty interesting. Dune is an odd but welcome addition to add more variety.

[@tigersebel]

i know next to nothing about dune. but for the other three i suppose that stargate personal shields are the strongest. if i remember correctly the ancients had a shield device who made you pretty much invulnerable until the energy died out. which could take hours or even days. Also i don't remember the goa'uld personal shields from the system lords ever fail. (with the exception of apophis maybe as he crashed with his ship but we don't know for certain).

[@Diego-fn3ql]

I would say that stargate wins with dune being a second place, dune personal shields make the user almost invulnerable (for what i remember, anything short from a 300m sandworm would just bounce off) but tend to overheat even before running out of energy like stargate's. But there's one thing that flips the scale in dune favour and that is that stargate personal shielding is much harder to get, while in dune even the lowfries of a mercenary group could afford one.

[@carso1500]

Diego Aguiar if you attack a dune shield with an energy weapon this one explodes thou

[@kennethkates3140]

You've got to remember that Dune energy weapons are continuous-wave laser projectors, or basically constant fire high energy continuous lasers. Most other energy weapons are burst fire plasma type energy weapons, with the exception of Star Trek with modulated frequency phased laser weapons. So not sure what the reaction of plasma weapons would be, but light based energy weapons would most likely act like the Lazguns do toward shields in Dune.

[@luiscaballero3840]

That audible meme tho

[@A-Legitimate-Salvage]

Attempt 4: Factions compared: Imperial Intelligence vs. ONI vs. Section 31 vs. SHIELD

[@LAV-III]

Benjamin Hartman-Seeskin I can see isb wining since its pretty much the empire

[@theempiredidnothingwrong3227]

Saeid Radder Imperial Intelligence is different from ISB.

[@LAV-III]

Paul Harrison oh never knew that thanks

[@aquamelon0087]

I’m pretty sure ONI was the only one to have both a super duper super soldier army, and to actively go around trying to commit genocide against an alien race. Sure the imperials were douches but I don’t think the intelligence side ever tried to and got pretty close to wiping out an entire species.

[@william_brobrine8975]

ONI that's my call

[@jooot_6850]

You should add some Halo ships in your background, would be a nice touch

[@PackHunter117]

Colin Thorneycroft And he be on board a UNSC ship haul

[@yuyaplays9311]

I feel the same way even with moving the fleets like they did I feel like the U.N.S.C marines onboard the stations would have been more than enough to repel the boarding parties. The U.N.S.C came out on top in ground engagements with covenant ground forces more often than not even without spartan backup.

[@AsharyAsh]

Well there are two things. The Covenant did start bypassing the ODPs by slipspacing on the other side... And also I think one thing was the number of boarding craft that were launched. The number seemed accelerating very rapidly so I'm guessing hundreds upon hundreds. And the concept art does show space banshees so seraphs and space banshees were launched too.so I think chances are the sheer numbers would mean some would get through

[@Gerbs1913]

19 ships for the Covenant were displayed in his chart, if each sent 100 or so landing craft then you'd have 1900 landing ships to down. Not an easy task.

[@thetypicalgamerguy5515]

I'm in school right now saw this notification and looking like I'm reading my book

[@wilsthelimit]

Clever lad

[@Alpha2307]

I think given how many boarding craft we see leave the fleet to attack the stations compared to how many actually make it to the station you might be understimating how effective the Longswords were at defending.

[@100_American_Bison]

Spartans vs N7 and UNSC Marines vs System Alliance Marines

[@FXIIBeaver]

Spartans.

[@spartandelta2756]

100% American Buffalo Spartans MK IIs, 8/10 times. Systems Alliance Marines, 7/10 times. Spartans were the ultimate UNSC soldier, basically designed for completing implausible feats. N7s have roughly the same technology as Spartan MK IIs, but the Spartans were shown to easily counter a well trained army with the exact same technology (AKA the Sangheli/Elites). The only way for the N7s to win is with luck or the proper skillset in their team to counter Spartans. Systems Alliance Marines have roughly the same tactics as UNSC Marines, but also generally have better equipment. If the UNSC marines have something like a rocket launcher, the battle will likely be greatly in their favor. However, small arms only will likely result in a Systems Alliance marine victory most of the time. The best chance for the UNSC is heavier weapons or a lucky win

[@billclark5055]

Spartans But, I see alliance marines beating UNSC marines

[@hardcore476]

As much as I like the N7S I'd have to put my money on the Spartans are biotics allowed that wood make it a little more fair

[@beasticy4216]

100% American Buffalo Space Marines

[@wolferos9411]

Could the UNSC have won the battle of reach?

[@TheT7770ify]

No, they were vastly outnumbered and caught off guard with most of their defense fleet being lost to the CSO. The battle of reach was lost no matter what die hard tactics you used.

[@alduintheanti-dragonborn]

Wolferos Remember, the Covenant forces that attacked Reach was more than 10x the amount of the ones that attacked Earth, and there were significantly less platforms defending according to Eckharts. Also they probably had less warning than Earth did.

[@robertagu5533]

Besides being horribly out gunned and out numbered if the tactics the UNSC employed in general not counting the ODST and Spartans actions was as bad or worse then employed here... then no they never stood much of a chance.. if any ever

[@jackdyble5312]

Wolferos yes, I believe they could. Use orbital Defense platforms in tandem with nova bombs and the covenant wouldn’t stand much of a chance

[@slimerewoods5766]

Jack Dyble Nova bombs weren't developed til almost the end of the war and if they had used them then they would have destroyed reach too

[@charleslathrop9743]

It happened because of plot. They needed it for the plot.

[@aquamelon0087]

The plot armour was strong with the covenant

[@shadowthoughts7959]

Hood needs more in-person experience with the Covenant. Also, when the Covenant main fleet (massively damaged by the Great Schism) arrives for the Second Battle of Earth, why didn't they aim DOWN and fire upon Truth's forces? Defend with a few cruisers and frigates per MAC group, spread them over orbits BREAKING geo-synchronicity to avoid the bulk fleet, and rain fire on Truth from orbit. A few frigates, longswords and pelican gunships could weed out boarders, destroyers/frigates/cruisers can defend platforms from Covenant attack vessels (possibly pulling off boarding actions of their own here and there), thus allowing stations to align with New Mombasa AFTER Truth breaches atmosphere with his main forces. Keeping the platforms moving, regrouping them into smaller units for easy defense, and recognizing that if they fail they are dead anyway, redirecting the orbitals to surface strike would have been the sensible thing. Halo 2 Teaser Trailer "I'm asking you to retarget the orbitals!" "And let more of them slip the kill zone? That's insanity. There's nothing more I can do!" **Not in the SECOND battle, it isn't!**

[@Samuris27]

Seems to me that the UNSC may have considered the boarding parties less of a threat than they should have. They may have considered a "ground fight" on an orbital platform a fight the UNSC could win while still keeping the orbital platforms operational. More often than not, the UNSC was extremely successful in protracted ground conflicts with the covenant, largely leading the covenant to retreat to space and glass the planet. Kind of hard to believe that the UNSC would not have considered the possibility that elite boarding parties would not bring some means of destroying the orbital platforms with them. But then again you have some serious firepower in the form of covenant capital ships as you've stated. I mean... the covenant have gotten a first hand demo of how lethal these orbital platforms were when attempting to take other human colonies. I have one big question though... what constitutes a "kill zone" for orbital MACs? Surely not an envelope where a shell loses too much velocity? Is it a certain critical distance where firing solutions are hard to resolve for enemy ships?

[@jacobm8242]

Effective Kill range would be at what distance the other ship has enough time to react to the oncoming round and dodge. They still carry the same velocity until they strike a target or are pulled into an objects gravity well.

[@cmj0929]

@@jacobm8242that part, shoot too far and the enemy can just move slightly to the left or right and you’ll miss by hundreds if not thousands of kilometers

[@rockyfalldownstairs]

"I take it back, the fleet got it's butt kicked."

[@zanenewton8586]

As much as I love Halo and its lore, I've always kind of felt the Battle of Earth to be a little bs. I get that it's mostly for the sake of plot, but there's no way the Covenant could have penetrated Earth's defenses without taking heavy, heavy casualties. ESPECIALLY with 300 odps and a sizeable UNSC fleet to boot.

[@vicsvinny8123]

"That MAC gun can put a round clean through a Covenant Capital Ship."

[@CMTechnica]

You missed the glaring problem with UNSC: they don't do dogfights, that's why the longswords don't go after Covenant shuttles. Longswords and other space "fighters" aren't fighters, they're bombers, made for delivering an explosive payload, that's why they don't have machine guns, etc. It's not til the introduction of the Broadsword that the UNSC has anything close to a "fighter". And someone is going to say it 🤦‍♂️, Sabers were only at Reach, they never made it past the experimental stage

[@EBarracuda]

Longswords do have autocannons (www.halopedia.org/GA-TL1_Longsword)

[@slimerewoods5766]

Corvus Mercer broadswoards were chosen over the sabre i think

[@TheHalcyonTwilight]

Worth noting that Broadswords existed during the early Human-Covenant War as fighters, but they just weren't shown much. The one we see in Halo 4 is the new breed that has been retrofitted with Saber Program upgrades now that the UNSC is rolling out a fleet-wide upgrade program. It's ultimately a heavy refit, not a new class though.

[@slimerewoods5766]

Avensis Astari Yeah I just read up on that to make sure. Seems like the broadswords and longswords received shielding

[@CMTechnica]

@@EBarracuda they still don't fill a fighter role. It's a bomber

[@smithsanity2727]

Not sure how I only just found your channel but man I been missing out. You got all kinds of good content. Keep it up bra!

[@finaldarkfire]

Reaper (Mass Effect) vs. Autumn-class Cruiser (Halo) (Hey, actually kinda topical this time)

[@alduintheanti-dragonborn]

finaldarkfire Are you talking about the Pillar of Autumn (which is a halcyon class btw) or something else?

[@alduintheanti-dragonborn]

Also I'm betting on the Reaper.

[@finaldarkfire]

I'm referring to the Autumn-CLASS cruiser, the one built post-war that has a bunch of reverse-engineered Forerunner tech like the Infinity does (energy shields, a more powerful MAC, a highly accurate slipspace drive, etc.)

[@LIONtib]

My money's on the Autumn. Its MAC is WAY more powerful than anything in the ME universe, and I think its shields could take at least one hit from a Reaper. Couple that with its precise slipspace drive and it can shoot, reposition via slipspace, shoot again and reposition before it can be hit. The Reapers were so overwhelmingly powerful only because of their numbers and the fact that ships and tech in the ME universe wasn't that advanced compared to the Halo universe. Ships were slow and cumbersome and they lacked shield technology. The Normandy of course is an exception, but it was just a really small frigate. A post-war UNSC heavy cruiser would be more than up to the task against a single Reaper, provided it doesn't start in CQB.

[@alduintheanti-dragonborn]

finaldarkfire Oh, that one, ok then I change my bet to the Autumn class then.

[@pierre-mariecaulliez6285]

I'm gonna agree with your "they underestimated the danger of the boarding crews" theory, 'cause when the first station exploded, everyone was like : "look, they already pushed them back !.. *BOOM* ... Ooops !" and it took Cortana to understand in a timely fashion what was going on.

[@SirScarfalot]

You are just cranking out the videos, good job!

[@pudlordtynan919]

I honestly love everything these breakdowns.

[@Nine-Eight]

more halo vids pls

[@tamimenard8517]

Fuck halo

[@chief117s15]

Tami Menard fuck you stupid bitch

[@Taser1618]

🙄halo is not cool

[@ebimd1851]

Alex's Reviews287 It is tho....

[@Taser1618]

E🤔what did you said

[@riekopo7638]

One thing I don't understand. How does destroying 2 ODP's enable the Covenant fleet to get through the defenses? There are supposed to be 300+ ODP's in Earth orbit plus the huge Earth fleet.

[@aninjaguardian]

ODP's are clustered in groups of 3. They cover the earth, but taking down the Athens and Malta let Regret bum rush that cluster of ODP's and allow for his ship to pass through.

[@James-nm6de]

Also not mentioning that after Regret retreated Convenant reinforcement arrived.

[@centurymemes1208]

think about this.. 300 hundred at every area means they are over extended and had to cover all of the earth sectors.

[@m4x927]

the fleet wasn't huge there was around 75 ships, mix of cruisers and frigates.

[@Specoups]

Look, I know it's been five years, but you have to picture 100 clusters of 3 dots scattered evenly accross the high atmosphere. Earth is big, so picture out how much distance there would be between those clusters. The distance would be massive and as a result destroying one cluster means that you actually punched a very big hole in the defense grid.

[@Inquisitor_Redacted]

Hindsight and perspective is something to keep in mind when having a discussion like this.

[@James27161]

another great video dude

[@dragontemplar4561]

I didn't think MAC's had a limited range for firing a Anti-capital ship projectile ... in space ... at a super high velocity? Couldn't the ODP's just pick off the smaller Covenant ships? like the C.C.S. BattleCruisers?

[@baneofbrot8652]

Kinetic weapons like mac guns technically have infinite range But when an enemy ship is so far away that it takes a moment for the round to reach the ship, it can dodge it.

[@OniLink147]

The "range" isn't the range that the rounds stop doing damage. It is the range of the MAC shots becoming easily avoidable.

[@CMTechnica]

Further out it is, easier the hyper kinetic slug is to dodge

[@alduintheanti-dragonborn]

Dragon Templar4 If outside the kill zone, they probably would have less chance to shoot it, as it could most likely dodge or sacrifice a smaller ship to take the brunt. Either that or the targeting computers didn't work that far, which reminds me of a quote I heard from Mass Effect, of an officer telling a gunner not to "eyeball" any shots, as it could lead to the destruction of a planet in a billion years or so.

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

And then there's the fact that they can miss at huge range.

[@dominicmoodie7601]

Yay another video from eck

[@kamrenowens9411]

Supreme commander Eck back at it with the unbeatable strategy!

[@elijahbakker6380]

03:38 One thing I will say is you did not represent the covenants firing range it is possible that the longswords would not want to engage so close to the main covenant fleet and would stay further away and they might have a bit more difficulty protecting the ODPs with so little time but I do agree that the frigates and longswords should have been able to protect them

[@BeBetter22992]

Tau Empire Vs First Order

[@pilotlist6276]

Spartan Abrams No way the first order can win

[@TheHalcyonTwilight]

Starkiller Base is the decider, but then IIRC the Tau have blown up a couple of suns in stellar engineering projects. As with the Imperium, the Tau's awful FTL tech would be their weakness in a galactic scale war. They also don't have the Imperium's fuckhueg warships thing that normally lands 40K the win in these comparisons. I'm pretty confident that the Tau would slaughter in ground engagements, would do well in space battles, and would most likely perform admirably on the larger logistics and strategy level. The Tau are strategic geniuses, something that the SW universe lacks aside from Thrawn. Who, funnily enough, is also a blue xeno. :P

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Pffffffffff The Tau would glare menacingly at the FO and win.

[@Gigas0101]

0:25 Here's our (you) Awesome video. I'm not all that interested and affluent in Halo, but you make it more interesting than any of the books or games do! I get the impression the UNSC not caring about the boarding parties could've been a dig at how one of the most repeated bits of Halo trivia is "Humanity usually loses in space but wins on the ground". Just a thought, though.

[@stevendeboer6921]

I love your work

[@thomas.02]

2:55 I think what might've happened is the Navy thought the garrisons on the platforms were enough to deal with the Covvies, but the garrisons thought the Navy would shoot down most of the boarding craft and so chaos ensues. Just my guess with absolutely no evidence though :D

[@matthewhicks67]

Perhaps the Navy forgot they only had one Spartan present?

[@Raving_Rando]

Could the Star Wars galaxy survive a Demon invasion? DOOM vs. Star Wars

[@mihailazar2487]

lol wat ? That's not even a threat

[@Raving_Rando]

How so? c:

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Honestly I think Star Wars can take them but it depends on how extensive the invasion is and where it starts

[@Raving_Rando]

@@ItsButterBean1020 After what I saw in DOOM Eternal, Star Wars wouldn't stand a chance against a full scale invasion. o^o

[@qman117]

EckhartsLadder, your strategy was exact same strategy i done one time when I played Star Wars empire at war on the Force of Corruption expansion. I played the Pirate faction on Galactic map mode and held Bothowi. Since their ships kinda looked liked uncs ships (even tho their not). Mine was keep my large ships and corvettes close to my lvl 5 station with some artillery ships in the back, mean while fighter squadrons will dog fight other fighters and kill what ever bombers they come across. And of course my bombers do runs on the enemy ships. Since my station has a MAC like canon, I used it to take out enemy artillery ships and damage/destroy capital ships. Didn’t matter either rebel or empire, they never got through.

[@cooperwallace609]

Other than a sheer overwhelming fleet attacking at once at multiple points across the planet, no there is no way for the Covenant to effectively break through. Logistically, it makes the most sense for the Covenant to enter into Earth's orbit at equatorial headings, this is also where the UNSC's MAC stations would have been in geosynchronous orbit. For the Covenant fleet to change their heading it would mean that they would have to use a good bit of their Delta V, this would mean that they're basically in it for the ride. We must also remember, the Covenant weren't expecting to find this heavily guarded of a planet, they had no idea that Earth was humanities' home world, and they had three huge ships which would be so much easier for the cannons to target. Remember, the larger the ship, the easier it is for MACs to target and hit the ship. This would mean that for every 2,648 km (orbital) there is a cluster of three MACs. Each of these cannons has an effective range of about 1.5 light seconds (450,000,000km) giving the ship captains (brutes) 75 seconds to respond and move their ship. This battle is poorly portrayed in the game when we can walk around Cairo station, but these stations would be able to fire at ships over the horizon by reducing the velocity at which they fire their projectiles (which would not be hard to do because the stations are being controlled by AI which can do all of the calculating), at the very minimum harassing the capital ships. Assuming all of this, and that the Brutes were able to keep their ships from getting hit, it would still mean that the boarding craft had to travel that same distance in order to reach the stations. This would give the UNSC fleet ample time to re-position their frigates to give anti-boarding support, and the Marathons ample of time to give supporting fire to the stations. All of this, coupled with Earth's marine garrison and Master Chief, there is no way that Humanity should have lost this space battle. The only way I realistically see the Covenant coming out on top is if they tried to come in from the poles (which the MACs could still fire on them given they modify the projectile's velocity) and try to stage an offensive from there. Also consider the elements of the UNSC's defenses that aren't shown in the game such as extensive longsword bases across the planet's surface and potential orbit, as well as nuclear minefields in orbit. The only disadvantage that Humanity had was their low number of ships. Had they not sent 50% of the forces allocated to Reach, they would have had such a superiority that it would make it near impossible for the Covenant to invade. Especially with the small fleet that we initially see in Halo 2. That's my opinion though, sorry for it being so lengthy.

[@dustinwoods7613]

Chief : I need to go outside. Lord Hood : For what purpose Master Chief? Chief : To give the Covenant back their bomb! Lord Hood : Granted

[@pauljones796]

One day I would like to play a game of sins of a solar empire with you

[@thelonelyrogue3727]

The most intelligent thing to do, in my opinion, would be to layer nukes and mines fairly heavily just outside of the ODP's range, and dot them throughout their fields of fire. It should be possible to either wait for the boarding parties to fly near them, or herd them in that direction using the UNSC's fighters. From there, the frigates should be placed in a staggered formation in front of the ODP's to provide additional point defense, while the heavier ships could hang back to reinforce where needed.

[@henrysmith893]

This is spot on.

[@BeBetter22992]

Dark Helmet Vs Darth Vader

[@srg08]

I have to say that Dark helmet would win this one. Darth Vader would approche DH and he would start laughing at DH incompetence that he would laugh so hard and so long that Vader would actually die of laughter

[@Matt-uk7zq]

Dark helmet wins 10/10 times, he has the bigger Schwartz

[@eliogabbalo0965]

Waiiiit a second... Shouldn't odps's Mac cannon have unlimited range?

[@charlstown2235]

HaloReaper 96 They do. But after a certain distance MAC rounds can be easily dodged due to distance

[@adamalexander1496]

Still have to aim it.

[@aquamelon0087]

Yes, they do have infinite range, and at the speed they’re fired at, the covenant would have to time to dodge a large number of ODP attacks, so really, they would be trying to survive the human fleet directly attacking them, while being shreked by the three ODPS directly in front of them, and probably be too distracted to notice the dozen or so ODPs further out that would likely wipe out the entire covenant fleet in a single volley.

[@khartog01]

So many fictional militaries seem to forget about point defense. During WW2, a battleship had over a thousand crew with half being used for antiaircraft. Once the the CIWS was implemented, point defense reached a pinnacle. Most modern navy ships only have one or two of these guns. Point defense seems to ruin shitty plot points. If the Raddus had a ciws, those tie fighters never would have reached the bridge. I think your video is spot on.

[@shadowranger937]

and like, you have a whole god damn planet of people there, just fill the entire god damn station with hundreds of soldiers and a bunch of food, that'd stop the boarding parties

[@pnk9639]

I loved what i saw ! make more pls

[@cendiusmaximus]

IF THE HALO RINGS WE RE WITH US!!!

[@LAV-III]

Darth Cendius we would all die LITERALLY!

[@DerpyTurtle0762]

Venator vs 2 Accllamators

[@bigv3192]

good battle plan. I'd get the longswords to fall back on the flanks once they've intercepted and routed the boarding craft.

[@Mercenary-st8ge]

All in all, the more you listen EckhartsLadder the more you question why (The topic) and then he explains the why. People like EckhartsLadder is one of the most thorough people I know (figuratively) and that already makes him a great person in my book because it's not halfway done

[@amauryleblanc7979]

It's entierly possible that the UNSC couldn't afford to let the covenant fleet going around the solar system without reacting. I am not familiar enough with Halo universe to be completely sure, but I imagine there is many humans instalation and asset around in the whole system, and that earth is the only one protected by a significant space station network. Maybe the idea of all the installation around mars, venus, jupiter, etc... being obliterated by the covenant fleet caused the UNSC to attack the intruder. Beyond the potential material losses, staying on a defensive position might have had a huge psychological impact on the earth population and maybe even in the UNSC chain of command: taking what appear to be passive stance while the ennemy is at the gate, especially if you believe you have a fighting chance, would have cause moral to drop among the civilians and military alike; causing unrest, desertion and general miscontent, even if the strategy is in the end effective. Finally, The High command might have feard that covenant were knowinly attacking mankinds homeworld, and that the regrets fleet was only the 1st wave. they then decided to take their chance against this fleet, and try to destroy before the main force arrive. This is a mistake, but considering they had no idea how much time they had to respond to this potential threat, they decided to go on a frontal assault, seeing this as their only chance. All in all, the decision UNSC took during this battle to attack the opposing fleet was a costly mistake, but it might as well have been the only course of action they could have take. A. Leblanc out.

[@tamanduamirinho3747]

the covenant used slipspace,a tecnology similar to teletransportation,thats why humanity didnt knew a fleet of covenant were coming.

[@mohammadkhan-dk6ep]

Umbaran MHC (Star Wars) vs Covenant Scarab (Halo)

[@TheHalcyonTwilight]

I never got the impression the HMC was on that level. Seemed more like a decent main battle tank rather than a walking drednought like the Scarab is.

[@Johndoe-gx4kk]

Once I saw the title of this video I knew this is going to be good.

[@BennyLlama]

As usual, you are 100% right. I have been thinking these thoughts for years. The only way I could see this succeeding with your tactics is if they blitzed one group of cannons.

[@craignewsome2058]

The Forerunners vs The Yuuzhan Vong (3rd try)

[@TheHalcyonTwilight]

The Vong's real strength was being immune to the Force, right? Forerunners don't give a damn about no hokey religions, so I think they'd win it quite handily. They could probably hold if not win without committing any actual Forerunners to the fight. Just send a Monitor to oversee the strategy with an immense fleet of their automata.

[@craignewsome2058]

Avensis Astari True but what if they do a "Forerunner" move like they did with the flood and try to analyze the Yuuzhan Vong like the did the flood instead of just completely wiping them out😂😂😂

[@TheHalcyonTwilight]

The Forerunners were actively at war with The Flood, they just weren't winning. Hence the studies to try and understand how best to defeat it. It was an infection the were bombing with antibiotics while trying desperately to seek a cure.

[@craignewsome2058]

Avensis Astari Oh.....well..... this is awkward sorry Forerunners😭😭

[@ebimd1851]

Forerunners, obviously.

[@godzilla5006]

Could the Death Star survive Doom's Hell?

[@LAV-III]

Doom Slayer nope nope nope and nope

[@valynazvalkynaz5375]

From what I remember from gameplay and studying into this myself I feel that they didnt see the boarding parties as much of a threat as they stated and believed if they attempted to attack the stations they'd win, but the thing they didn't know was that the boarding parties also had plans to sneak bombs onto the stations to destroy them which is what caught them off guard and helped cause more damage than intended. And when you think of the soldiers on the last station after the first 2 blow up they probably took a massive moral hit as 1. They just witnessed 2 stations blow up really quickly. 2. Their station is next as it's the only one in its cluster left. 3. They're now gonna have to fight to protect their station from both the covenant boarding parties and the bomb on it. So I think the bombs on the stations that were snuck on also played a factor in the fight as well.

[@LegoSwordViedos]

Reminds me of empire at war, I love my hyper velocity canons. Put one on just about every planet I can. that and maxed out station, couple of capital ships, and a interdictor. They have a hell of a time taking my worlds, the main weakness is getting swarmed by fighters, but holding patrol frigates behind the station and capital ship seems to kill them off decently well. At the very least even if I lose the space over the world, they take tons of losses and make it easy to retake. I guess it can get boring if they just keep spam attacking worlds they can't take.

[@ulriccsilber173]

Typical enemy plot armor.

[@therockontheshelf]

theres one issue with your plan, and thats the covenants own fighters, seraphs for example, which are shielded and faster and more nimble than UNSC longswords. Theres also that the fact that unlike with the UNSC fighters against covenant capital ships, the covenant fighters are more than capable of taking out, or severely damaging UNSC capital ships, due to the fact that human ships are not shielded, and plasma weapons, even smaller fighter sized ones, go through armor like butter. You would need a large number of your fighters to defend the UNSC capital ships against the many fighters coming from the covenant so pulling all to defend the platforms might save the platforms, but the fleet would be decimated anyway, and due to the non shielded and immobile nature of the platforms, even a small covenant fighter or frigate could destroy them with long range weapons, being only able to fire a few times a minute the covenant would just essentially send a few ships toward each kamikaze style. Its just an unwinnable fight for the UNSC tbh, the covenant could fire any long range type weapon at the platforms and there would be nothing the UNSC could do to stop it. Its demonstrated numerous times throughout the books that human ships only win when outnumbering the covenant around 3-1 or in some smaller scale engagements, with exceptionally brilliant tactics. A defensive fight backed against a planet however is just not going to go well for the humans, the covenant dont care about the casualties they sustain, they have superior numbers and vastly superior technology.

[@pitbull21ish]

omg XD almost chocked on my food when watching that ending. dfreaking hilarious hahahaha

[@demonickiller6315]

I would have sent out some longswords out to take out borders. Afterwards I would send out some high capacity MAC operator ships out partially as a bait and partially to damage/destroy some smaller cruisers.this would then be used to bring in the main carriers to be decimated by the ODPs.

[@robertnelson9599]

psykers vs force users (8th try)

[@utoro5]

Psykers. I've never heard of a force user that could change the planet's orbit, or burn down a daemonic realm, or mind control an entire sector (which is like a couple trillion people at once). Force user are more stable though, not having to deal with the perils of the Warp.

[@robertagu5533]

So basically the UNSC coulda, woulda, shoulda won this.. BY FORCING the easiest targets the boarding ships and teaching the Covenant tactics and FORCING the Covenant to close to endangering ranges to be effective. If they can SEE the Covies intended tactics and that they was lazily taking their sweet time moving in to support the boarding forces an yet while able to make the Covenant make the difficult choice of realizing their gonna either lose horrendous amounts of their forces to win or back off here an yet dont capitalize on it they probably wont fair so well against forces like Star Wars factions or Mass Effect counterparts who learned the hard way, alot of them, what happens when you waste time, and/or DON'T capitalize on advantages while maximizing on the advantages of their enemies mistakes. IF the UNSC fought their whole war with the Covenant as bad as here its no real wonder they lost so bad, so much, almost non stop

[@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to]

Robert Agu Not really, the UNSC fought with stunning ferocity throughout the war, with a pretty even odds on the ground but the space force get edged out technologically and sometimes even numerically, leaving the ground force to be glassed/orbital bombarded. The ONLY reason the they suddenly become idiots here was because of Covenant's plot armor. They needed to get on Earth, activate the portal to the Lesser Ark to progress with the story.

[@robertagu5533]

Admiral Jay perhaps but to truly win and not struggle. They shouldve seized every advantage, mistake and opportunity they could to turn the tide on the Covenant much as they could ESPECIALLY when the only other outcome as they well knew wasnt even totally enslavement but more or less extinction. The Fleet should've been upgraded to least be able to have at least one or 2 major ship types that spelled absolute salvation and utter death and defeat for even the Covenant's best forces and strongest ships if not taken seriously.. something that was an immediate game changer and could turn instantly a losing battle to a winning one soon after appearing. Like the Spartans super shock soldiers or ODSTs attacking in mass. They might not have fought so desperately so often was what was trying to get at. The Covenant never really was troubled by or took much more then the Spartan super soldiers as a major threat to their operations if i remember right. The UNSC fleet never seemed usually to be alot more then a nusiance most the time. Heres a battle where the UNSC could've delivered a crushing blow and make the enemy not be so cocky the rest the war, the moral boost, an so on also wouldve helped tremendously here.. but slow human leadership failed to really capitalize on what no general, admiral, or anyone else in similar posts even today wouldve failed to do. Sure you an me both in charge first thing id done is blown them transports right outta the sky when i noticed the Covenant was stupid enough to send them in alone.

[@SirSpangler]

Robert Agu The amount of stupidity in your statements is beyond comprehension. The UNSC wasn't losing because they were fighting bad, they were losing because they were incomprehensibly outmatched. There are dozens if not hundreds of examples and instances where the UNSC fought infinitely better than the Covenant. Harvest, the Keyes Loop, Arcadia, Sigma Octanus IV, Psi Serpentis, Algolis, Great Bear, Battle of the Rubble, Metisette, Indra Asteroid, and many more clearly show that the UNSC didn't just roll over and die. The covenant outnumbered, out-teched, and outfought them. But it *never* out-thought them. The UNSC consistently displayed far superior tactics. The fact that the UNSC managed to hold them off for nearly 3 *decades* proves this beyond doubt. To put it simply, the UNSC (1 single species that had been space-faring for just over 200 years) managed to fight and hold off the Covenant ( *8* species -2 of which were warrior cultures, that had been space-faring for over *3,000* years) for over *3 decades.* To address the things you pointed out- "They should've seized every advantage, mistake and opportunity they could to turn the tide on the Covenant" -your quote - They did capitalize on their advantages. The problem was that they only rarely got the opportunity to do so. The UNSC was better at ground combat, but the Covenant only ever invaded planets that had forerunner tech on it. Most of the Human planets they found they just glassed. The UNSC needed at least 3 ships to destroy 1 covenant ship. They knew that. The few times the UNSC went on the offensive the fleets they sent usually did outnumber the Covenant 3 to 1. The problem was that they only rarely managed to go on the offensive. They were fighting a defensive war. Which meant they had to split their fleets to protect all their planets, which meant most colonies only had a dozen or so ships guarding them, which meant they usually didn't have the needed 3-1 ship advantage. The UNSC knew the Covenant were fanatics. They commonly used this fact to gloat the Covenant into traps, most notably at the battle of Psi Serpentis "The UNSC fleet never seemed usually to be a lot more then a nuisance most the time." -your quote -The reason they were losing so much in space battles wasn't because they sucked at tactics, it because they had such inferior technology. The covenat was over 3,000 years more advanced than them. To put that in perspective, 3,000 years ago our most advanced "ships" were wooden canoes. It'd be like a bunch of fishing boats against aircraft-carriers. "The Fleet should've been upgraded to least be able to have at least one or 2 major ship types that spelled absolute salvation and utter death and defeat for even the Covenant's best forces and strongest ships if not taken seriously.. something that was an immediate game changer and could turn instantly a losing battle to a winning one soon after appearing" -your quote - They couldn't "upgrade" their ships because, again, they didn't have the tech. Hell, they only managed to crack energy shielding in 2551 (the war ended in 2552). Plus, as the war dragged on, the number of ships they had kept getting lower and lower. Not to mention their shipyards kept getting destroyed. That, and it being far quicker to build frigates than cruisers meant that cruisers became increasingly rare. If you want proof, just look at history. At that start of the war, most UNSC *battlegroups* had between 5-10 cruisers, but, 30 years later, at the battle of Earth (the most *important battle of the war* ) there was a grand total of 8. *8!* -They did try to build a "major ship type" that spelt "utter death and defeat for even the Covenant's best". Its called the Infinity. And it took *8* bloody years to build, and was only completed after the war was over. "they probably wont fair so well against forces like Star Wars factions or Mass Effect counterparts who learned the hard way, alot of them, what happens when you waste time, and/or DON'T capitalize on advantages" -your quote I would hardly compare the UNSC, a faction that fought an incomprehensibly superior foe to a bloody grind for nearly 30 years, to either Star Wars of Mass Effect. Both of which are famous for their characters stupidity (if your wonder who I'm talking about, its the Empire and the citadel council). Plus, you're kinda wrong. -Star Wars was not hopelessly outmatched by their endgame faction (the yuuzhan Vong). All they had to do was alter their technology a bit, and then they were able to fight the Vong on roughly equal footing. And even then, they still had to use a super weapon to win. -Mass Effect got its ass kicked. They *HAD* to use a super weapon to win. The fact that they literally couldn't win without said super weapon was the entire point of the third game. Meanwhile, the UNSC won by *surviving.* They couldn't just alter their technology to make a fair fight, and they couldn't just use an instant, one click I win, super weapon. In fact, they had to *destroy* several super weapons to survive. Simply put, the UNSC was so stupid here because the plot demanded it. There is no sign or indication of them being even close to this dumb anywhere else in the lore. P.S. -Whats with the spelling errors and massive run-on sentences? You realize that KZbin comes with spellcheck built-in to website, right? Its literally giving you the correct spelling.

[@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to]

The UNSC did mobilise everything they could for the Human-Covenant war, from dragging the powerful Valiant heavy cruisers back to service, to modernizing the underpowered but durable Halcyon's, even converting colony ships into combat-capable assault ship (e.g. the Spirit of Fire, similar to how the US turn oilers into carriers in WW2). Most of them did pretty well. Valiant became a powerful flagship for fleets, and was Cole's flagship (the Everest) during his journey on kicking Covenant's collective butts. The modernized Halcyon's were absolute monsters of ships, the Pillar of Autumn commanded by Jacob Keyes singlehandedly took on a Covenant supercruiser and won (though a large credit to Keyes' brilliant tactic) and crippled a few more cruisers depsite being considerably damaged from the former encounter. The UNSC also had a mega-project, the Infinity, though it wouldn't be completed until after the war. It drove the UNSC to near-bankruptcy, most likely of constant delays redesigning the ship to incorporate new technologies. The problem is those 'powerful' ships were fuxking expensive. Humanity hasn't reached the point where they can throw ships without a second thought (The Covenant has!). Maintaining huge ships (and project for them) isn't cheap, that's why they initially retired the Valiant. The original Halcyon itself wasn't economically viable either, let alone the modernized one. The result is them not mass produced (not like they could mass produce anything else worthwhile, resources in Outer Colonies all glassed to shit) => too few to turn the table on their own. The Covenant had both technological and numerical advantage. Humanity losing 300 ships? That's a big fucking deal. The Covenant losing 300 ships? Unfortunate loss, but they won't give a shit in the long run.

[@mybutthasteeth1347]

So basically the plan is to sit back behind the artillery and yell "come at me bro". Perfect

[@45580677]

i was thinking one thing overlook in the Battle of Reach the Covenant sacrifice ships to close the distance to launch craft if I recall

[@SchneeflockeMonsoon]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda, oughta, Didn't.

[@jaredhardegree8377]

Okay, but Halo 2 and 3 would have been super boring, then.

[@sickly809]

lol yea i guess you're right

[@justintyme8542]

Loved the doggo ending

[@callumbailey5570]

You should do a fractions versus video between the Chimera from resistance and the Locusts from Gears of War

[@allnamesaretakenful]

Bungie wrote it like a Hollywood movie. The people make smart decisions, then make a catastrophic decision that makes you think it was written by an idiot, just so they could move the plot along easily.

[@phantom117b4]

i think the reason for the defensive line would be that there are Covenant ship that can take out the ODP from outside their kill zone (althought that class of ship wasn't present at the first battle). Also, in ground combat (boarding action) the UNSC and the Covenant are on pretty even terms so i think Hood was confident enough that the Marines would be able to repel the Covenant boarding parties

[@sanic7402]

Some of The longswords were also preoccupied with seraphs making difficult for them to take down the boarding craft

[@victoryrose2048]

I’ve seen it mentioned in the halo sub Reddit’s that various covenant ships did an in system jump to get behind the Orbital Super mac stations. However I have not reached this myself so cannot confirm this. But it is possible for conversant ships to perform in system jumps so it’s not impossible they could jump behind the Mac orbital stations.

[@Bajicoy]

Spot on

[@wilburforce8046]

You missed one key point, truth’s forruner dreadnaught would decimate the Mac cannons as it is virtually unstoppable (we see in halo 3 how it doesn’t even flinch from 3 mac cannons and a long sword bombardment and we also know that the entire race of elites weren’t able to beat the dreadnaught even with forunner tech)

[@vitordanieleal]

You gota love that ending

[@talinpeacy7222]

I feel like you're right in the method of defense but different methods would have to be used later on if the defense was successful and the fleet elected not to make a foolhardy charge into MAC range, or at least were smart enough to disengage early enough to save the majority of their fleet. That said, MACs don't really have a max range as much as a max effective range. Having reloads on standby could mean skirmishing forces could spread out and fire MAC rounds to make the covenant ships cluster only to fire the heavier rounds at the now clumped up force, causing casualties for ships who would have to now avoid their own ships and weather the continued fire around the edges from smaller rounds that are also quite damaging. This would force the fleet back further and probably cause a few casualties after the boarders were intercepted. The real battle would be when more reinforcing fleets started adding to the seige afterwards in this case.

[@briansmith5579]

The ODPs are shown to basically one shot any Covenant ship, however Truth might have gotten in with the Forerunner Keyship since it tanks MAC shots. Although I don't remember if it takes an ODP shot or not in canon

[@IDidNotDoItInc]

What about in-system slip-space jumps perhaps towards Orbit?

[@ztrax7133]

Would be cool for you to do some halo/Star Wars vs Star Craft Protoss or Terran ships/fleets

[@theconsumeristtheory6886]

perhaps the human home fleet was organised the way it was is because the humans didn't know what to expect. the admiral was after all confused as to why the fleet was small so he might have held back unsure if what secret weapon or plan this fleet might have had in store. not to mention they might have been caught off guard you see not only were in the middle of a ceremony but the only thing tipping them off was a small blip that could have been anything a fleet to a small jackle pirate ship.

[@freedombird7426]

If you're still doing verses battles, you should do an Element Zero user vs Jedi (non master or notable force user)

[@paintedsmile5282]

Could be that the Type-23 'Ticks' had a active camo cloaking field. It doesn't state on the vehicle page that it has one, but it also doesn't say that it doesn't. Also the covies could've just launched so many that they couldn't of all been destroyed. Or that the "hide" them in they're fighter waves.

[@luiscervantes4569]

What about the seraphs? There where plenty of those battling against the longswords. I believe they must have swarmed the group of the three Odp's we see ingame and rammed through them. Which is why only Regret's ship makes it to the surface. I dont know if they did this but it reminds me a bit to the movie of Ender's Game, when they destroy the alien planet, they mass their fleet surrounding a single ship to make the shot they needed to win the day.

[@darrenskjoelsvold]

I think you are totally right about the tactics and that the Covenant had plot armor so the game would progress the way it did and so would the story.

[@speedygonzalas1]

Hey man! Love your videos! I was wondering how it is you use your intro/outro music without getting a copyright infringement thing? I’m just now beginning to make my own videos and would like to use music in my own, thanks!

[@jakethompson9814]

how do you power an moblie orbital defense platform from the ground, long power cables perhaps

[@Crazyman23]

How about the mammoth mk2 from command and conquer vs the AT-AT for your next versus match you do?

[@KingJelly99980]

This is good shit. More halo stuff pls

[@rocknrollmanic]

ok that scene you used from halo2? 3? cant remember. I could hear the lines being said in my head

[@PipeJM117]

I agree with you. I think your strategy is the most useful to defend the Earth against The Profet of Regret.

[@LMG1792]

See the thing I think here was the fact that fleet admiral Harper was not in position when the covenant arrived. He was massed ready to take the fleet directly to the covenant it was hood who said to form a perimeter around the MACs. So it’s possible by the tome Harper deployed three fleet to protect them that it was to late and a small number of the boarding craft made it in. We again don’t see a large force arrive in Cairo in game as there main goal isn’t mass troop deployment but setting up a bomb to destroy the MAC platform. I think the main reason we can point to for the ultimate defeat is Fleet Admiral Harper. Also with Truths arrival and the forerunner dread that would have been problematic as well. But we know on it’s arrival Hood was still in Cairo meaning the platforms where still dishing it out to the covenant fleet. I’m probably getting to involved in it lol. Personally I think Hood should have had command of the fleet and platforms directly. He shouldn’t had waited till the conflict started to give orders to Harper. Just my thoughts anyway. Love the videos

[@gladiator5365]

You are describing a Halo game I'd love to play. Also I think your defensive measures would be more than sufficient in defending Earth.