How To ADAPT Against RECREATIONAL PLAYERS! Lex O Poker Hand Analysis

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Jonathan Little - Poker Coaching

Jonathan Little - Poker Coaching

Күн бұрын

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@PokerCoaching
@PokerCoaching 3 жыл бұрын
What would YOU do with T♠ T♣ on the flop? Your Stack (BTN): $2,400 Their Stacks (BB, UTG & UTG+1): > $2,500 Pot: $400 Board: 6♥ 5♠ 3♣ BB, UTG & UTG+1 check A) Check B) Bet $125 (small) C) Bet $300 (large) D) Bet $600 (huge) ________________ What would YOU do with T♠ T♣ on the river? Your Stack (BTN): $1,900 Their Stack (UTG): > $2,500 Pot: $1,400 Board: 6♥ 5♠ 3♣ 8♦ 3♦ UTG bets $1,200 A) Fold B) Call C) Raise to $1,900 (all in)
@marksimpson2321
@marksimpson2321 3 жыл бұрын
Complicated. Presumably the better and first caller do not have premium hands or they would have bet. (?) We are the most likely player to have two pair , and straight draws. We quite possibly have the best hand and we want to protect our equity from two hands with overcards. (Right?) We do not have the range advantage or we should have reraised lp preflop so shouldn't we bet large and infrequently? I go with the3/4 pot sized bet of option C.
@Kevgamer88
@Kevgamer88 3 жыл бұрын
This is a tough river decision. Although given the opponent as a recreational player I think you have to make the reluctant option B and call. If opponents have been splashy they can be making this move with an 98, 78, busted over draw.
@cedriclenners3737
@cedriclenners3737 3 жыл бұрын
Flop B/ small bet, for GTO.... but indeed against recreational betting a bit bigger makes sense.
@cedriclenners3737
@cedriclenners3737 3 жыл бұрын
On the river (2 quizes, nice!). I would reluctantly fold. In my live poker experience, recreational players seldom bluff the river by donking you that way. She must have at least a 3. So A/ whinning fold😒
@TheRobstargames
@TheRobstargames 3 жыл бұрын
I think you can EITHER check or bet big to put pressure on straight draws
@victorburnett6329
@victorburnett6329 3 жыл бұрын
This river bet is so ridiculously strong. Without a read, I have to fold. Calling to understand your opponent's tendencies only makes sense if you will be playing a lot of poker against this opponent for a long time.
@keithdunlap
@keithdunlap 3 жыл бұрын
Given we raised the turn, Villain knows we are strong. Fold.
@1chance4life76
@1chance4life76 3 жыл бұрын
true i mean it is less likely to get bluffed into after you raise the turn. I think that was the biggest mistake in the hand.
@mikoajpiatek6716
@mikoajpiatek6716 3 жыл бұрын
And hence the bigger sizing on the river.
@nicschne
@nicschne 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. She leads small turn wanting a call then when you raise she knows she can put big bet in on river she’s clearly nutted
@arnealpers470
@arnealpers470 3 жыл бұрын
I think the audio is off sync after minute 14:00
@CanadianLoveKnot
@CanadianLoveKnot 3 жыл бұрын
Trivial fold for me. You raised them on the turn, and then they donked almost pot on the river. No logical bluffs missed imo. Also mandatory bet on the flop when checked to in position. I also don't think 10's are very strong here, this was a multiway pot pre, and so by the turn and river your hand is very marginal, and you are not beating any value hands.
@MrTjthorso
@MrTjthorso 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I personally would bet small ($125-$150). I think in this scenario you can get more information by how opponents react on the flop versus them calling a check raise on the turn. Also there is a good chance you can get to showdown cheaper. Often the turn can go check check. If the flop has a flush draw I would consider checking more often.
@connorcrump3825
@connorcrump3825 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrTjthorso shouldn't you bet more often if there is a flush draw? Another one of Jonathons videos talks about betting in multiway pots and you usually bet more often when the board is likely to change on the turn (i.e. a flush draw that hits) especially with a hand like 10's to give it protection
@kgeorg1979
@kgeorg1979 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like she was betting small on the set because she was scared of the straights and then she bet big when she got the full house because she didn't need to fear the straights anymore.
@rubberroast1598
@rubberroast1598 2 жыл бұрын
Throughout video they are labeling the villain here as the 'recreational' player. The way this one played out i think its the total opposite. She disguised her hand very well, played it correctly, and on the turn held back pushing over the top. This way the narrator was super confused about her holding and was hooked in to wager the river call. She played it perfect.
@carlwebinar1571
@carlwebinar1571 3 жыл бұрын
You should always remember that the biggest tell in poker is the action that your opponent takes. When they bet substantially on the river, especially a rec player, they are almost always NEVER bluffing. Recs under bluff tremendously. As you can see by my answer to the second quiz, my playing of the hand finished +$1200 compared to Lex. I didn't get to confirm my read, but I felt very comfortable that I was beat and didn't need the confirmation.
@hdnt2004
@hdnt2004 3 жыл бұрын
Bet $175 when checked too on the flop, everyone may fold out, anyone with over-cards will probably float, the worst we could be up against is a set
@amans232
@amans232 3 жыл бұрын
Very good analysis...one of your best videos...i would have added pocket pairs jj+ in the range of her possible hands...not everyone raises them preflop!
@marksimpson2321
@marksimpson2321 3 жыл бұрын
Q2: very tricky. If it was someone who's been seen to make aggressive bluffs or plays like this was weaker overpairs, then a call becomes easier bit not easy to make. Lol I play microstakes online and crush live £10 tourneys! 😀 However this play is imo most likely to be an overpair that waited to avoid the flush, a slow played set or possibly a bigger hand. I fold and wait for a better chance!
@foxxxof
@foxxxof 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like I'd go straight nit with it
@akpoker7433
@akpoker7433 3 жыл бұрын
The main problem is Lex’s perceived range is super strong. No one will ever put him on TT with the line he had chosen. With that said, it is really hard to believe the opponent will donk in what looks like a nutted range on the river. I feel like in this particular instance it is reasonable to overfold even better hands , as an exploit
@Trailer__Swift
@Trailer__Swift 3 жыл бұрын
This was a very dense and informative video. Learned a lot 👏🏻
@PokerCoaching
@PokerCoaching 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@CardsChat
@CardsChat 3 жыл бұрын
Some stellar advice there! I've seen too many people, myself included, fall into that trap in lower stakes.
@kineahora8736
@kineahora8736 3 жыл бұрын
Ok multi-way spot. No overcards came which is good, but there’s a low straight which is a great flop for BB and probably the UTG limper. So with AA or KK I would not be inclined to bet, but TT clearly needs some protection, in the form of a small bet: (B) $125 If we get check-raised by the recreational original limper we fold, and I think same with BB. I think we have to call a check-raise by the preflop raiser. $1200 lead from the rec iimper after we raised the turn🔥🔥 Alarm bells. She was trapping with a big hand, like 55, or even maybe scared of the straight, and now has a boat. FOOOOLDDDD. [nailed the read lol]
@No-Gumph
@No-Gumph 3 жыл бұрын
A low board looks good for TT, but is a difficult spot to play. If you bet small, over cards will have direct odds to call. Big pocket pairs that remain in the three bettors range can call or raise depending on whether the opponent wants to deny equity of cards above their pair. A random two pair or set could just call or raise small to keep in over pairs that are drawing thin. A large bet could see some over cards and 77, 88, 99 fold perhaps, but bigger pairs can happily call. 4 ways I would check and look to realise my equity. The betting on the turn will offer a lot of information from which to make a more informed decision. Yes, over cards are going to come a lot of the time and allow opponents you are ahead of to realise their equity, but betting the flop is unlikely to fold out those hands, so a check makes the most sense to me. I couldn't fold that river quick enough. I don't see recreational players calling a check raise on the turn and having worse than TT. If they have over valued an eight or 99 so be it.
@ablair2794
@ablair2794 3 жыл бұрын
The flop check caused that whole situation. By being unwilling to bet 3/4 pot on the flop, he cost himself an additional $1,300 in the end. I love when my opponents play as he did. Easy money.
@jeffryglenn7024
@jeffryglenn7024 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree. This was 4-way pre-flop. The likelihood that someone hit the flop is high. Either 3-bet pre-flop or pot control. His mistake was mixing lines. Just call the turn and evaluate the river.
@tylerwilliams7478
@tylerwilliams7478 3 жыл бұрын
Ty sm for turning up your mic it’s perfect
@keithdunlap
@keithdunlap 3 жыл бұрын
Hits BB range so depends on BB. If BB range checks in MW pot, then Hero could check it back, but I think the better play is to bet on the largish side, slightly more than half pot. If BB re-raises, then you know to run for the exits. If BB calls, then be very very careful. If Bb folds, and recreational UTG calls, plan on betting most turn cards in absence of additional aggression.
@lifeiswonderful22
@lifeiswonderful22 2 жыл бұрын
3:50 Check back. This is a strong/marginal hand multi-way, especially when the flop hits the board of rec players who limped. They could have 33-77 or small suited connectors. If we bet and get called or raised out of position, it puts us in a very tough spot. "If getting raised would be horrible, then check."
@connorcrump3825
@connorcrump3825 2 жыл бұрын
He was in position this hand
@lifeiswonderful22
@lifeiswonderful22 2 жыл бұрын
@@connorcrump3825 yeah I missed that, lol
@KimmyTheDarkTrader
@KimmyTheDarkTrader 3 жыл бұрын
Given all the action, I think river is pretty much an easy fold for me. As Jonathan mentioned, the board basically doesn't have enough bluff hand for us to call this hand. The only hand we beat here basically is 99 and 77 that overplayed because AQ, AK, JJ+ most likely already raise Preflop instead of limp. If we think she can't have 97 or 74 we can't beat at hers range, then we also can't put 85s that we actually beat. Another worth mentioned here that if Lex bet the flop, most likely he will lose minimum because again as Jonathan mentioned, there are just way too many Turn card that Lex don't like. P/S: I would have miss river value if I played her hand because I will never call a turn raise and lead river. I will basically check/raise 100% of the time if I was in her position. Her line were so strange but who cares, she won the hand with max value. LoL
@doubleaalanderson4571
@doubleaalanderson4571 3 жыл бұрын
Either 300 or maybe 125 depending on my understanding of the BB and UTG limper... Fold.... Should have gone X/Bet 300, X/X, Bet/Call. He seems to make things hard/more tricky than they need to be a lot.
@marcopastormayo8248
@marcopastormayo8248 2 жыл бұрын
I would go for c) After a checks from BTN UTG and UTG1, it makes sense to raise with an overpair. Q2. I'd fold. I think they have a 3.
@michaelclifford6659
@michaelclifford6659 3 жыл бұрын
In my experience, recreational players that arent torching love limp/calling specifically small pocket pairs and suited Aces. Me, a station, would be very tempted to believe im beat on the river to a flopped set and muck the end. Also gross bluffs normally take some thought since even rec players know bluffing someone off what is often an overpair+ is torching
@Kevgamer88
@Kevgamer88 3 жыл бұрын
On the flop I like option C and bet $300. Opponents could be splashy, but there are some draws and you don't want to give your opponents of free draw. Although if this was heads up I would like option B
@randomthoughts9564
@randomthoughts9564 3 жыл бұрын
I would be tempted to check. I don’t know enough I feel like I don’t have enough information and if that’s the case that I want to check
@THEKD0G
@THEKD0G 3 жыл бұрын
I bet small I think for protection and to get over cards to fold and under pairs to call.
@lunchbox6576
@lunchbox6576 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, wow good video. I was wrong about her opening range. Just tuck that knowledge away and add my mental chart down to 55 UTG instead of cutting it off at 77. Learning something at a poker table is so much more expensive than college .
@the-chillian
@the-chillian 3 жыл бұрын
Quiz 1: Bet big, not huge. There are a number of weaker hands that can call a bet that size, but a flopped straight (probably within the limp-caller and BB's rangers) is never folding. Quiz 2: I have no idea. This habit of putting villains on a super-narrow range sounds to me a lot like the old-fashioned idea of "putting them on" a hand. At least when it gets THAT narrow.
@WindowFilmRevolution
@WindowFilmRevolution 2 жыл бұрын
If you can beat 1-2 at HardRock Tampa you can beat ANY game. That was where I learned to play
@johnnyboychess
@johnnyboychess 2 жыл бұрын
One thing you said that I’ve found to be true. When a lot of money goes into the pot by not usually aggressive players then you’re probably not good. Pot odds aside, when recreationals make big river bets that are reasonable given the size of the pot but unreasonable compared to their typical river bet - they’re almost never bluffing. (Does not apply to battling players) $250 into a $250 pot is different than $1000 into $1000
@NicholasStein
@NicholasStein 3 жыл бұрын
On the flop I would bet small $125; maybe $150 to fold out any big cards and small pairs. After listening to your explanation, I hate my answer. I also hate Lex's analysis. (I have not listened to your rebuttal yet) but even thought the opponent is a "rec" player and bet small does not mean she doesn't have a set or the straight. A rec player can easily know how to bet for value in this situation, so I would call. Q2. I snap fold. I was already suspicious, but I am convinced that she just boated up. She had two pair on the flop maybe 33. I totally love your analysis BTW. It was a lot closer than I thought. This is the second time you have called LexO for narrowing the opponent's range too much. Since the first time, I have been listening to his analyses through that filter and he does it all the time.
@mstrbillable
@mstrbillable 3 жыл бұрын
nitty fold on the river is my choice because turn raise should show much stringth to opponent
@troublelessone7999
@troublelessone7999 3 жыл бұрын
I'm betting half pot on the flop with 10's, leaving myself enough for two more bets. The board flops connected but not expecting opponents to have these types of cards considering the preflop bets out of position.
@polarizedbear916
@polarizedbear916 3 жыл бұрын
Just using my experience, without a deep range analysis like the one in the video - I see this line very often from "straightforward" amateurs. It's never a bluff and usually a monster. Most times, when they flop a set multi-way, it's check flop, turn small bet, river small-ish bet. They bet bigger on early streets with their draws. I would've bet the flop. As played, I would've only called the turn and probably also called about a half-pot river bet.
@myuhara1
@myuhara1 2 жыл бұрын
Not Tampa, but Hollywood Florida, dude !
@bryantaylor8504
@bryantaylor8504 3 жыл бұрын
If we really thought this was a recreational player, the river is an insta-fold. Such players under bluff and too many combos have us beat. But absent real reads, we shouldn't assume this is a recreational player. We should've ripped the $300 in on the flop. If we get raised, we're in the same tough spot, but for less money. If we get called, we will probably put only one more bet in as well, and again we are losing less. As played, the flop check is terrible because so many cards are bad for us given so many people are in. With top pair and overcards in spots like this, pot control is so important. With $400 in the pot heading into the flop, I think we should budget $800-$900 for our hand (unless we hit the T, of course). Here that's a $300 muscular flop bet and then another half pot bet later. Hands that beat us will want more, hands that don't won't.
@joeybets8981
@joeybets8981 3 жыл бұрын
I would bet $125 on the flop. We can get value from 7s,8s,9s and 6x. Also get broadway cards like KQ, KJ, QJ to fold equity, and a good chunk of Ax probably folds equity too. For the river I call or fold. All depends on my opponent. I lean towards call but if my opponent is straightfoward and never really gets out of line, i could maybe find a hero fold.
@JanneOksanen
@JanneOksanen 3 жыл бұрын
I'm betting 300 in this spot to thin the field. After everyone checks there's a decent chance we have the best hand and we want opponents to fold over cards to our pair and deny them equity.
@kibspoker
@kibspoker Жыл бұрын
I learned a lot from this video. definitely a keeper. As for my action - I would have Folded facing the 1,200 raise due to the fact that bluffs scenarios seem lesser than nuts. Excellent vid! 💌
@justie1220
@justie1220 3 жыл бұрын
Flop question: bet quarter-ish pot on the flop sounds pretty alright. River question: Fold seems like a good option.. full pot size on the river seems suspicious
@moneybythemile122
@moneybythemile122 2 жыл бұрын
She limp under the gun could had aces or kings also,never would’ve paid that off. I would’ve raise pre flop to gauge the calling ranges.
@kenh3149
@kenh3149 3 жыл бұрын
The turn call, then river bet has my alarm bells ringing. I think I’d have to fold, thinking she has trips or an over pair.
@nomilknosugar4900
@nomilknosugar4900 3 жыл бұрын
Its a mandatory bet for value on the flop. I like a 1/3 pot sizing as our opponent's draws have quite low equity here.
@JorKal4
@JorKal4 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like a pretty straightforward hand. UTG limps and just calls the raise, closing the action. Probably small pair, maybe suited Ace or connectors. Flop check around I don't like because like you said, there are almost no turn cards that are good for me. Bet $300 on the flop. Turn lead/call by UTG is either an improved hand on the turn like 98/78 - with no one showing strength on the flop they could very well be in the lead with top pair of 8's; or it could be a very good hand that missed a checkraise on the flop like a set or 2 pair. When they just call the turn raise, they are scared of a bigger hand, like a flopped or turned straight. When they lead the river, they are most likely no longer scared of a straight. They also fear that a straight will now check behind on the river, being scared of the paired board and a possible full house. So they lead. The only hands you beat that lead here are bluffs, or a 98/78 hand that puts you on exactly 65 and thinks they counterfeited your 2 pair. Those are all super unlikely from a rec player. Fold river.
@TheNernst79
@TheNernst79 3 жыл бұрын
That river bet has to elicit a fold. Some random rec player virtually never donk bets their missed draw here. It's (almost) always a bet of extreme strength, especially after just calling the raise on the turn. The hand plays entirely like she had a set on the turn, thought you might have a straight, and has boated up on the river *and* doesn't want to check because she doesn't want to risk you checking back.
@agentlesoul1975
@agentlesoul1975 3 жыл бұрын
In reality Poker is a guessing game. A lot of the time weakest beginning hands end up as the nuts. Balance and patience (with educated guesses and difficult folds) have served me well so far.
@agentlesoul1975
@agentlesoul1975 3 жыл бұрын
Just want to say your books and videos have helped me a lot Mr. Little.
@ModernandVintageWatches
@ModernandVintageWatches 3 жыл бұрын
I like it, very informative.
@paulmcdougald4953
@paulmcdougald4953 3 жыл бұрын
Missed bluffs have very little showdown which pushes villain range toward value, I think this is a call 25% fold 75%
@sluggy6074
@sluggy6074 3 жыл бұрын
I'm making a small bet prepared to continue if I face a check raise as the tens are under repped
@paulpena5040
@paulpena5040 2 жыл бұрын
Tampa, FL where I play, yeah! I would bet $200
@benajminmccoy9077
@benajminmccoy9077 3 жыл бұрын
I think I would bet large here, to keep smaller pairs in and to charge the straight draw on the off-chance they have it.
@lifeiswonderful22
@lifeiswonderful22 3 жыл бұрын
11:45 FOLD! Recreational players are very rarely bluff leading river into ip raiser.
@fishinghuntingfool
@fishinghuntingfool 3 жыл бұрын
Love this hand,so many ways to go wrong !
@br4insful
@br4insful 3 жыл бұрын
such a straight forward play, she nicely got some extra money for a new bag from him :D
@johnnyordille6256
@johnnyordille6256 3 жыл бұрын
I would bet smaller to try and fold out random Broadway cards and suited A like A8 that has some equity. I don’t expect anyone other than the original raiser to call. Not really worried about sets.
@munromanning6794
@munromanning6794 3 жыл бұрын
Never checking back 4 ways with an overpair; we no reason (yet) to think we are beat and we can get value from draws and pairs from their terrible ranges. I would likely medium to big on the spot. If they are awful and station-ally, a pot sized bet may just make the most money
@qazzaqstan
@qazzaqstan 3 жыл бұрын
Bet small maybe 25%-30% pot. Need to be reasonably careful multi-way especially given that it is a connected board and low pocket pairs and small suited connectors are the types of hands that are more often played semi passively pre-flop. That said hand is way too strong not to bet and we do need a fair amount of protection against over-cards. Fold: I don't like it but a player that was passive is leading out big after getting raised on the turn. Our TT is basically a bluff catcher at this point and I don't think they are bluffing the almost 30% of the time we need to be good here.
@davidgibbins8812
@davidgibbins8812 3 жыл бұрын
The Flop: Bet $125. Two thoughts. Do I want to continue with 4 players in the hand or do I want to continue to ''hide'' my over pair? I dont think anybody improved their hand and I think my TT is fairly good. But I also dont want to let others catch up ie and ranges could include 9T suited , A9 , KT etc - I dont think anybody has a better pocket pair than my TT. - yet. Now to bet enough to get people off the pot. I do think any bet will chase some players away so my bet is $125
@paulpena5040
@paulpena5040 2 жыл бұрын
Ooh that river spot is nasty ouch! You have to figure at these stakes players know how to bluff it's not like you're at the $1/$2 tables where they are so value heavy. It's a single raised pot. Could she be overestimating A8? K8? Could she have really spiked 3s? Could she be bluffing AK? has she turned a boat? I hate to fold when there isn't even a single over card to your 10s. I'm making a "wincing" call and not loving it at all.
@MrPhilbautista
@MrPhilbautista 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t get why pocket 3s was never an option.
@sk8rdaniel
@sk8rdaniel 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes if you arent sure, you can fold if you are at the bottom of your range.
@justins5225
@justins5225 3 жыл бұрын
You would have to know the player well to make this call. Not many snap in almost pot on the river with a bluff. She called (not re-raised) your turn raise because she was afraid of a straight. She boated the river and all but shipped. She named a price.... and it was 85% of pot. Against 85% of sober rec players this situation is a fold. JL is spot on with so much advice, but I don't think this is a hand to gather information with a call🤙
@leehjones
@leehjones Жыл бұрын
There are a reasonable number of straights in Lex's range on the turn. A rec player could bet her set, get raised, and think, "Oh sh*t, he has a straight. I will call and try to fill up." Now she does just that, and then thinks, "Hmmm. Will Lex bet if I check? I dare not let my full house check through against a straight - I bet!" Which explains the pause before she leads. So I think you have to give her all the sets, quads (!), and maybe 53s. This feels like a clear fold to me.
@SmappleMcWingers
@SmappleMcWingers 3 жыл бұрын
I've never heard anyone suggest ordering of flop before, but had wondered if there was a preference amongst poker content people.
@PokerCoaching
@PokerCoaching 3 жыл бұрын
I have always thought high to low since I started taking poker seriously.
@carlwebinar1571
@carlwebinar1571 3 жыл бұрын
I would bet $300 on the flop. Likely removes one player and gets us to heads up. Board isn't scary from a flush standpoint, but coordinated from straight standpoint, especially from an opponents likely holding of Ax suited. I have to proceed with caution on the turn if a deuce or four comes.
@jacobknight5497
@jacobknight5497 3 жыл бұрын
I'm betting 300. We have a premium made hand that could use protection and we'll get called way too wide with draws from which we want to charge the max. If we overbet we're only getting called by better.
@burkhartlaw1
@burkhartlaw1 3 жыл бұрын
I usually bet $300 here. Part 2 is harder to me. Wow. I'll answer like Bart Hansen here, "I wouldn't be in this position because I would have gained info on the flop." Lol. I think I call because I think I win enough of the time to make this profitable in the long run. The original raiser folded. I'm less afraid of higher pairs and I think most sets bet on the flop.
@easstttt
@easstttt 3 жыл бұрын
I like a large bet get some value and protection with our over pair plus we can get some top pairs/worse over pairs/ and middling pairs to call us I think small is probably fine too I think checking is worse than small and large and I dont really like gigantic just because we’re beat a lot when we get called… now that I think about it I don’t dislike gigantic as much (maybe?)
@marksimpson2321
@marksimpson2321 3 жыл бұрын
How often do we see huge attempts at bluffs on the river ?
@PokerCoaching
@PokerCoaching 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on the opponent!
@Eastcoastwes92
@Eastcoastwes92 3 жыл бұрын
I'm betting flop either 1/3 or 2/3. if 2/3 i'd consider folding to big c/r, if 1/3 almost certainly calling c/r. as played, i'm not sure what I'm doing on river (i don't think i 100% call or fold). I do feel like I'm likely to fold though. what can they really call our raise with on turn that just snap bets river that we beat.. I don't think there are many bluffs here if any
@paulpena5040
@paulpena5040 2 жыл бұрын
I'm doubling that raise on the turn. RIght now you have the high pair hand and most likely the best hand. But almost ANY river card will be super scary do you really want to see a broadway card? Is it more likely that they have pocket As or Ks or A single Ace or single King? I'm shifting into "equity denial for my opponents" mode. Jonathan seems he wants to induce on the turn with either checking or a smaller bet I just don't think 10s are that bullet proof there.
@lifeiswonderful22
@lifeiswonderful22 2 жыл бұрын
13:15 Yes. Nitty fold against a rec player. After you represented strength and she just calls, it's extremely unlikely that a rec player floats you here then bluffs a blank river.
@aryazandi7070
@aryazandi7070 Жыл бұрын
I presume the opponents are call stationy, so I would go 200 to 400. Most times they fold and loose their excessive call frequency on the preflop, sometimes they call and their range collapses to a tigher range, which is easier to play against, especially from a later position.
@goncalosousa8204
@goncalosousa8204 3 жыл бұрын
on the flop- Iwould make a bet of 175dlrs. Maybe it´s risky considering the limper an SB and BB still in the hand. lets see how it goes
@johnnyordille6256
@johnnyordille6256 3 жыл бұрын
The second quiz, I would have to call. If he’s labeling of her as a recreational player is accurate, we should’ve heard of any strong earlier except for specifically 88.
@nicks210684
@nicks210684 3 жыл бұрын
She was the UTG limper. She could easily check 55/66/33 on the flop hoping the PFR would C-bet and then she can check-raise. I think that’s how most people would play those hands.
@nicks210684
@nicks210684 3 жыл бұрын
And it turns out that’s exactly what she was doing…
@cameroncollins1486
@cameroncollins1486 2 жыл бұрын
56 suited makes an interesting bluff candidate
@DejaquezernDenaster
@DejaquezernDenaster 3 жыл бұрын
I would probably bet closer to 175-200, I think if an opponent has a piece of the board, they’re not folding for this price. Hmm... what hands would our opponents fold to a bet of 175, but not 300? Maybe a bigger bet is slightly better... 300 just seems like a big bet that might scare off our opponents, but we do get max value from 7x, 88,99 and 6x
@sabinoharriague4754
@sabinoharriague4754 3 жыл бұрын
15" You look for which hands can be I ask what hands call a 350 more on the turn.... They narrow now
@conradcoolerfiend
@conradcoolerfiend 3 жыл бұрын
i fold on river. River leads by recreationals are very value heavy.
@dennisje2925
@dennisje2925 3 жыл бұрын
I would bet 2/3 pot. I would fold to raise and also passive at turn and river.
@Dexerion
@Dexerion 3 жыл бұрын
This is Hard Rock in Hollywood FL.
@carlwebinar1571
@carlwebinar1571 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure what the stack ratio is between Lex and the Rec UTG), but I am going to find a nitty fold because I'm 99.998% sure that I'm beat. I think if I shove I get snap called. What do you think a rec player is saying when the make a bet that size? They are saying I have a very good hand, I think I have you beat, and if you shove I'm calling. * Just now saw that you put the stack sizes in the quiz setup, but I paused before those where shown. Wouldn't change my answer about what I would do. However, I don't think the $700 extra from a shove would be near enough pressure to get the UTG to fold.
@romanbudzak4140
@romanbudzak4140 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t get so who is recreational player in this hand?
@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr
@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr 3 жыл бұрын
At 15:00 Why not consider 99 or 77 as potential hands a rec player may consider their hand good on that board, against what they may perceive as KA/QA or overs in general that missed the board and can't call a big bet. In my mind only made hands can really call in that position at a $1200 bet into a $1400 pot, there's no value for the weaker holdings a made hand would want a call from so the bet size doesn't make sense. Also in my mind is that rec players are the type that play stupid "lucky hands" like J7o or A8s and think that 2 pair 8's/3's with an A is the near nuts on that board not putting a 3 for the set or boat in their opponents range (and how much credit for range/gto knowledge do we give rec players?). Going to finish watching.
@user-tq7nx1yr4j
@user-tq7nx1yr4j 3 жыл бұрын
I will bet after the flop to see my opponents reaction ,but after the turn the TT is no longer a strong hand, its a quick fold with a straight and the board pair easy fold
@paulworsley2757
@paulworsley2757 3 жыл бұрын
Fold. Beware river aggression from recreational players!
@johngillies7308
@johngillies7308 2 жыл бұрын
I'd raise 1/2 pot on that flop. I have an over pair and I want to build the pot. I think I have the best hand at the moment.
@jaybingham3711
@jaybingham3711 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I think he was wrong from the get go. Putting her in the "Rec" bucket was ill-advised considering it's 10/25 game. On the other had, she had a fine read on Lex. And she used this to deftly extract thick value from him.
@Matt42020
@Matt42020 3 жыл бұрын
I think he should of made his river decision before he decided to raise the turn. Yes the board is incomplete at the time but if he's going to punt off and call a donk bet then his turn decision should be an easy flat call to control the size of the pot. He basically pissed away 1700 when he probably would of gotten away with only losing around $550 had he controlled the pot size. I'm not a high stakes player but when I do play higher stakes I always opt for pot control rather than raising with a marginal hand and little info.
@leehjones
@leehjones Жыл бұрын
11:45 I snap fold to the $1200 river lead. She limped in pre. She just has it
@SmappleMcWingers
@SmappleMcWingers 3 жыл бұрын
This is a really good point, Jonathan. Having an overpair in a multi-way in position spot is a super common spot where you typically want to diverge from theory.
@henriksenlaw
@henriksenlaw 3 жыл бұрын
Is this the same player who previously submitted a hand from his $1-2 game with a $2,000 plus pot that Little reviewed. A big jump from $1-2 fo $10-25.
@goncalosousa8204
@goncalosousa8204 3 жыл бұрын
the opponnent made a nice trapp by calling the flop
@jonathangoldsmith7832
@jonathangoldsmith7832 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t continuation bet if I had raised before the flop. But he just called on the button, and the flop was checked to him. I’m betting the 653. Maybe $150. I don’t think I’m calling the river without a read. I don’t know if it’s worth that price.
@G0DofRock
@G0DofRock 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like she was basically giving you bait to see how she could size the river after calling a 3/4 bet..you gave her the info, either straight or good pocket pair. Then she donks the river more than she was thinking because she knows you are strong..and she just got a full house. Can't trust that bet. I'd fold..it's just tens.
@chriscolwell30
@chriscolwell30 3 жыл бұрын
Thats not tampa its the other hardrock I believe its Hollywood Florida
@dddon513
@dddon513 2 жыл бұрын
Paired rivers are a highly underbluffed spot. This case is no different.
@WindowFilmRevolution
@WindowFilmRevolution 2 жыл бұрын
I would bet pot or less depending on opponent
@davidgibbins8812
@davidgibbins8812 3 жыл бұрын
The River. Unless I had some history on this player I would fold. I think they have 88 and hit their Boat on the river. Fold. Rec players mostly do play straight up poker and their waking up on the turn + river informs my fold decision
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