How to AID CLIMB with a CASUALTY - IRATA level 2 training

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

If you had to do an aid climb with a casualty like this, how would you do it?

[@canidsong]

I like the way you approach this particular case. If I could not lower the casualty directly to the ground here I would do the same but I would want the cow tail always to be moved to the furthest point inboard as it could reach, rather than simply the next. It would increase the risk of the casualty swinging into something if one of the lowerouts failed while moving the other but a pendular swing would decrease shock loading on the cowtail itself, in a worst case where it became a nonredundant point.

[@daniellee1402]

While I appreciate this as a potential technique and it's worth learning, I would say it is unnecessary for 99% of cases. As far as I know, this isn't part of the IRATA TACS and is not a required part of an assessment for any levels (I'm from Australia, but same requirements regardless). I would be relying on better job planning and trying to avoid this technique wherever possible. Obviously going down with ropes or lowering is the easiest, but I would say the assumption would be that isn't possible. So instead I would be looking at an assisted aid where the casualty can be rescued remotely at any point, rigging a set of ropes at the casualty and then rope transferring back to a platform etc., or something like setting a tensioned line or cross haul to return the casualty. While maybe in the situation of a very short aid this could be done, I also think in that situation even if above a hazard, there would be techniques that would not require this. Always love your videos and appreciate this regardless, but generally not a method I would opt for. Cheers :)

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

@@canidsong Too be honest I think you are really over thinking this, it is just an aid climb. We need two points of attachment. And if I understand you properly, it would be impractical as well. How can you pull him in when the second Grillon is the furthest away and the cowstail closest? As I think your way goes, I'd need to do a lot more lifting. I am using the cowstail as a backup so in the worst case there would be a small swing into free space. The space where we just climbed from. And away from me instead of into me. Moving that cowstail into my space makes it more cluttered. Maybe I don't understand precisely what you mean, and of course there are 50 ways to do this.

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

@@daniellee1402 I think most of what we learn is unnecessary.. If all goes well... While it is not on the assessment form, I have had assessments where my L2's and L3's had to do this. Or the fact that they knew how to made their life a lot easier.. It is a simple method that everyone should know. And with regards to the rest... Yes I agree. Of course there are better methods. I made one video of a lower out first for that reason. One of the questions was "but what if it is not possible, can you aid climb with the casualty?" That is what I say in the video, "lets say we are as unprepared as possible..." And I have had a job in the past where this was the only realistic rescue out of the aid climb. No lower out possibility and to low for a cross haul over that distance. So not the best tool, just another tool in the toolbox👍👊

[@daniellee1402]

@@TheRopeAccessChannel yep, that all very fair, definitely agree it's worth knowing, and like any rescue, they all rely on a few basic concepts that just need to be appropriately manipulated to get the injured person back safely. Always worthwhile being able to think outside the box, but also always worthwhile planning properly so you don't have to! Thanks again

[@christopherramsawak4558]

Love ur work. As a level 1 i learn alot of stuff from u. Keep up the good work. From trinidad

[@danielgray5799]

Awesome way of moving casualty, smooth method. A little bit faster than the ''cheat string method'' and also a little cleaner, thanks for putting this vid up.

[@jimpanse8763]

Amazing, in my view the best way for a spontaneous aid climb rescue👌

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Thanks 🙏🙏🙏👊

[@romangarcia7757]

Good to see you again, good coordination and technique Greetings

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Thank you very much!

[@richardeduardomaldonadogilio]

I really like your videos. In May 2024 I'm going to do my assessment for level 3, and watching your videos are helping me a lot. I see them and then I start practicing. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Greetings from Ecuador.

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Great to hear! That is one of the reasons I started this channel! Thank you for letting me know!!

[@jennywhite1425]

Great video Alex - you don't know what you don't know, so now that I know how to do it, I can use it if I ever need to. I hope I explained that clearly!

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Completely clear ;-)👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@Dunstenchecksin]

Brilliant content as always. Nice and simple yet very effective. Thanks 👍

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Thanks 👍 Glad you enjoyed it 😀

[@stephanvallare]

Great content thank you for explaining everything in detail and walking us through every little step it definitely helps with learning. One rescue I can’t seem to find much of is the mid rope to rope transfer rescue. Could you possibly demonstrate this rescue for us with and without a grillon?

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

That’s another one of those rescues o have already filmed and I wasn’t happy with the result. So I have to reshoot it

[@joellumanglas6497]

nice one mate, clearly explained all steps by step.

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

👊🏼👊🏼🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@pnxelectrical]

Love the content, could we get a basic rescue bag teardown? I get every rescue will be different but what staples should you always have? Let's say you need to stow it all on a single crab, what's your bare minimums etc?

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Thanks 😀🙏😀 Yes, I had started filming that at work on a cool offshore site as well....Then work got in the way and I actually had to work instead pretend to be pretty for the camera🙄 It is still in the works

[@정신차려-q8b]

Thank you for the video. It helped me learn a lot

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Glad it helped :-)

[@toolsreviewsandmore5326]

I'm a level 3 for 10 years now and since then i got to do my reassessments in different countries Last time,which was last year i did in Germany and we did a lot with the grillons...aid climbing rescue,cross hauling of a victim ,vertical aid climbing,etc. I see things change all the time,in other assessments i had,the assessor insisted that as a level 3 you should only perform the rescues with the basic gear you have on you.Maybe a pulley,or two,but that's it..

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

It has changed a bit over the last 10 years. I do think a L3 should be able to solve almost any problem with the gear at hand. Like in this rescue, you could just use the casualty's and your own descender and a piece of rope to effectively make two grillons. That said.. It is 2023 and we should be working with things like a Grillon (or any other releasable piece of kit) in aid. Heck if you take out a Wingman or a Jag for a rescue that just goes to show you use up to date gear. I would even go as far as saying that if a Maestro or Clutch is available, it is bad form for a L3 to start hauling in an I'd.... It is only a problem when it looks like your assessment is impossible without them. Basics first. That is why I got to use an Actsafe winch on my assessment ;-). The assessor knew I could build a hauling system easily. That ACX saved a lot of hauling haha.

[@scottysmaschinistenchannel1465]

Thank you for the good explanation. Can you also show how to make a rescue on a cableway?

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Thank you🙏🏻🙏🏻 What do you mean with “on a cableway”? Do you mean using tension lines in a rescue? Or rescue someone from tensioned lines? Or a cableway like in a recreational high rope course?

[@scottysmaschinistenchannel1465]

@@TheRopeAccessChannel Hello, I mean a rescue from a self-built cable car. The ascent and the rescue.

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

@@scottysmaschinistenchannel1465 cable car 🚠 like that🚠?

[@scottysmaschinistenchannel1465]

@@TheRopeAccessChannel No! It is a rope that is stretched at an angle. From the climbing area. I come from Germany.

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

So a tech is suspended on diagonal tensioned lines?

[@igormeister83]

Why don't you use only 2 Grillon and use one of his cowstails attached to you? wouldn't be easier moving one point less of the casualty having one permanent point on you assuming that you are always on 2?

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

That would be a good way too. Heck doing it like that, I could have just used two POA's. The connection to the casualty would have been my third. Like I often say, we can do all these tasks in 5 or 10 different ways (methods) if we stick to a couple principles. 2 POA being the main one. That said, it is not a method I like because: - As long as we don't pass that ff1 on a cowstail it should be good and it is an extra consideration to take into account, something to monitor. I've seen techs being 50 cm lower than the CS effectively making it ff1,5. More than what we are allowed to do with a cowstail. -And I find that a cowstail connected between us limits my movement. Still a valid method nothing wrong with it if you do it correctly, just not my personal preference👍🏻

[@MabhutiNgada]

Number one sir 🤝

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Thank you

[@jimpanse8763]

Hey Alex, this comment is at the end a little off topic to this video at the end. Just in case u get a little confused, sorry 4 that.😅 After this video I thought about it and tried also another way. I installed two extra ropes (in the spontaneous simulation I took the end of the ascend ropes to be true) and lifted the casuality like a big rope to rope. Then I aid climbed back and finished with the basic L1 rescue. Time difference wasn't that big but it was very comfortable. What do u think about this? In another video u asked for ideas for the whiteboard lesson. I think deviations would be a great topic. Calculating the weight of the points and stuff. Stay safe🤘

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Just so I understand: You aid over, rescue CS and lower him out into the set of ropes at the start of the aid climb (that you have taken with you)? Sort of large rope to rope or cross haul? That would be perfect. If you have the height for that. Especially on a long aid climb it will be quicker. Probably something I prefer over this technique.. Unless it is only 5 meters high and 10 meters long over sewer water and the only way out is up to the manhole. If it were a 2 man rescue team your way would be my go to. If i was alone probably the method in this video. So many options😃😃 Whiteboard subject is noted. Thank you!

[@jimpanse8763]

@@TheRopeAccessChannel I made it sort of rope to rope, we tried to go with minimum gear. Next time I'll try cross haul. And seriously, no reason to thank me😅 u are the guy with the motivating inspiring videos, so thank u.

[@bahadurbishnu]

Good job sir

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Thanks

[@gustavoperez9289]

Buena técnica... aunque requiere de varios grillones y no siempre se tiene acceso a esa cantidad de dispositivos... Pero es la técnica idónea y la que menos esfuerzo requiere... Saludos buen vídeo.

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Thanks. I am showing with two grillons but that could be two descenders and 5 meters of rope. You and the casualty always have a descender and we are doing rope access, so there should be rope. Think in solutions ;-)

[@Mirotvorecx]

Hello Alex! You have a very informative channel on mountaineering. I saw that you are testing devices, have you tried the Sparrow 200 r CT device? Your opinion on this device is very interesting!

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Thanks 😀. Although I don't make content on mountaineering 😉👍.. I have tried it and I am not a fan. I was really stoked when it was first introduced at the A+A a long time ago. And since then I've used it a couple of times for work and for rope rescue. It is big. bulky and the panic function is more annoying then on other devices. Apparently it is good at heat dissipation on long two person lowers, and I have not tested that. Heard it from people I trust.

[@Mirotvorecx]

​@@TheRopeAccessChannel I didn't mean climbing, but rope access content 😅😅😅 tnx for the answer!!

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

@@Mirotvorecx 😉👍🏼👍🏼😃

[@AntonioIeze]

Good morning, I'm Mr. António Ieze Angolan only level 3 irata I need to know about the techniques and some things about irata

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Nice, I have a lot on this channel. If you have any more questions you can shoot me an email or hit me up on instagram

[@Young_D]

welke biner gebruik jij voor je footcord? is een heel mooi kleintje vgm

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Ja klopt, Die heb ik al jaren en er is niks meer op te lezen. Ik heb geen idee haha. 4kN en not for climbing, dat weet ik nog wel. De nieuwe DMM XSRE binertjes zijn ook erg handig voor dit soort dingen.. XSRE of iets dat er op lijkt....

[@Young_D]

@@TheRopeAccessChannel Thx! ik was al een tijdje opzoek en die dmm ziet er goed uit

[@rajughosh1756]

❤❤❤

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@bahadurbishnu]

Hello sir

[@TheRopeAccessChannel]

Hello

[@chyeaOGKush]

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