How to Aim Your Speakers

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

Toe Out? Whats that?! I got this question a LOT after my MoFi 10 and KEF R3 Meta reviews so I put together a quick demo on what it means to "toe out" a speaker.

[@wrxkyle]

most people discuss toe in as anything other than pointed perpendicular to the wall though don't they, and toe angle is relative to the wall not the mlp? or are you saying that they are not actually talking about that when discussing toe or that you use the term in a different different way? ie, "you need to toe in your speakers to make them be on-axis".

[@DougMen1]

@@wrxkyle I believe you mean PARALLEL to the wall, not PERPENDICULAR, which means at a 90 degree angle! Unless you mean perpendicular to the side wall.

[@northeastcorals]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on toeing in/out in-wall speakers & the best methods for doing it (if you should) as it has got me completely "baffled" 😜

[@Audio_Simon]

I must admit I've often called it 'Toed In' when the speakers are aimed at my ears because they are not facing directly forwards in the room. I think your way makes more sense though and leaves no room for error.

[@johnyang799]

I think most people use the term toe in the way same as you.

[@Mike81111]

I have been saying the same thing :D

[@zefrog7482]

Same here, but as long as we all know the effects of positioning, that's the main thing.

[@De132an]

This is how most audiophiles understand it to be.

[@rickg8015]

@@De132anIt was because of that Cardas Speaker placement published online some years ago I think.. If you just look at the Drawings, you see speakers postioned straight ahead. But if you read the article it says that you usually end up with some toe-in (or mild toe-out) for most speakers..

[@kevonmanuel]

Erin, you forgot about Bose's recommendation of toeing the speaker down. Have the speaker face the floor and only listen to the sound reflections from the floor.😁

[@dan_hitchman007]

The only good speaker position for a Bose would be from inside a trash can.

[@TubedTalk]

@@dan_hitchman007 Bose would be able to sell even that speaker in a trash can as some new research tested in MIT.

[@jim586]

Hi. That is usually described as “rake”. You can tilt or rake a speaker forward or more commonly backwards.

[@elongatuspiranha]

I've had plenty of different speakers and I never liked aiming a speaker directly at me, never. My speakers are normally aiming straight or ever so slightly toe in.

[@De132an]

Folks, remember the general public has no idea with most of the jargon used by manufacturers, audiophiles or reviewers. And they don’t seem to want to take the time to read about it either. At least the ones asking questions want to learn. And I agree, toe-out is not commonly used. Most manufacturers reference to toe-in means from a starting point of straight into the room. On axis is usually referenced when charts are being explained. As to correct set up, straight, angled or on axis, we all hear differently so whatever sounds good to you is where you should set them. Bottom line is; Straight into the room will be the least bright but reproduce largest sound stage, on axis will be the brightest but narrowing of stage. Angling with toe-in usually will give you more depth of stage. All this assuming a good set of engineered speakers.

[@Joe_65]

Thanks for the explanation, I was previously confused, thinking the reference position was having speakers pointing straight forward instead of on-axis.

[@budala1969]

That's how everyone else refers to it. This is the first time I've heard this interpretation. Mind you, it makes sense, but is not the universally accepted meaning.

[@frostycanada6404]

What a total goof I am. I’m going to leave what I wrote below. I don’t know what I was thinking but talking about getting confused over degrees and percentages and toed in (gosh). So, for the R3 speakers, (as an example) KEF recommends 10 degrees toed in which would translate into 10-15 degrees toed out the “Erin way” as he explains it. Perfect. ------------ Original comment: Hello Erin, thank you. I think the confusion come from the manufacturer user manual which typically says to place them straight into the room and “toeing them in” towards listening position say 5 or 10 degrees for best convergence of high frequency. You typically say to “toe out” opposite from most user manuals. Example: so KEF’s recommendations for the R3 meta = 10 degrees in … following your way of explaining this would be to “toe out 80 degrees” for best high frequency balance vs. your recommendation of only 10 degrees. Why such a big difference between you and what KEF recommends? Brian

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

On axis is 0°, which is always with the speaker facing directly at you. Off axis is any angle varying from that. So the terms tow in and tow out are relative to the on axis position.

[@frostycanada6404]

@@ErinsAudioCorner Hey Erin, I’m a total goof. See the revision to my first post. You are correct. What you recommended (in the case of R3 meta) is basically what KEF recommends in their manuals. Sorry buddy for wasting your time. Brian

[@jacktracks707]

🎉 I am even more confused after watching this video. Right now the right speaker is pointed more or less at my right shoulder. Same with the left speaker. They probably cross just passed my head. I have R 11 metas. Prior to tonight I have them pointed straight forward in the room, thinking that’s what I was supposed to do. Tonight I toed them in and they sound better.. I’m so confused. lol

[@Lovelacewatkins139]

Sometimes it would be good to know distance from seating area and width of speakers in small rooms to medium to get an idea on how to create the best sound

[@matthewhilty4209]

This is the back to basics information that l forget about and seek out better gear when it doesn't sound right, thank you for reminding me to play with speaker direction and placement before wasting money on " better " gear.

[@davestone8227]

Wide dispersion speakers tend to provide better stereo immersion with a toed-out orientation. That method excels at "bringing the musicians into your room" trickery very effectively. Speakers with more narrowly controlled directivity and placed with extreme toe-in can do time/intensity trading, giving a broad sweet zone. That method does a fantastic job of mitigating room influence with a "takes you to the venue" effect. No right or wrong with this, it's choose your illusion territory.

[@zizendorf]

@davestone8227 That, "takes you to the venue" comment is pretty silly inasmuch as sound production at a live performance whether it's orchestral or rock is not in stereo.

[@Justwantahover]

I got some speakers with an open air 10" coaxial driver and a 10" woofer in the box. And the open coaxial on top of the box is towed up about 20°. 😄 I have concentric curved thin cutaways in the open 10" driver to let it breath and to mitigate the shoutiness. And sounds more free and nicer! 😅

[@Bradimus1]

If I can't get good sound pointing the speakers straight ahead or directly at me, I tend to try moving them elsewhere in the room

[@peterbaugh51]

My speaker setup now; Elac DBR62 Reference, on stands, 9' apart beside TV, 10 degrees tilted up, 15 degrees cross streamed toe in. This works great for movies, music, surround effects, with only two speakers, no sub. 60 wpc clean amp with tube preamp. Elacs have a big sound stage and deep bass. So this works for me. TV and speaker plane are on 40 degree angle in room parallel to couch, listening position. The surround effects are scary real. Couch shakes. Bass is felt to 28 htz. I tested it.

[@glennh7297]

I keep my big 15 coax's toed out, and my biradial, and tractrix horns toed in for killer imaging and less wall reflection. The coax's are in a dedicated treated room, and the horns in a big wide open long room with wood floors. Huge difference.

[@wswsn7396]

Dr. Hsu is recommending extreme toe in for his CCB-8 speaker due to a 5 to 10db spikes above 10kHz measured by Audioholics.

[@NakeanWickliff]

Thanks man. I prefer toe in for time intensity trading and a much wider sweet spot. I have a 4.2.2 surround system with no center speaker so I rely on my surround speakers for the extra width. This way when the couch is full everyone here's the dialog from the phantom center image.

[@DougMen1]

You've got it backwards! Toe in will give you a narrower sweet spot, not a wider one. Also, HERE'S is not the same word as HEARS. One means "here is", and the other means sound reaching our ears.

[@NakeanWickliff]

@@DougMen1 Yes I understand the difference and see my error. Regardless, you are the one who is wrong. There is a lot out there about time intensity trading. That is what makes the sweet spot much larger than toe out. He even states as much in his video. With toe out, the minute you slide to one side you will hear the speaker you are closer to. This is not the case with toe in and especially extreme toe in. I'm a photographer and make use of this exact same principle with light by feathering my lights for a group photograph the same way I toe my speakers in. It give me a nice even light or else the person closest to the light would get blasted and over exposed. So great job on the spelling/grammer police but perhaps you should focus a bit more on the actual subject being discussed.

[@qboogie]

Medicine has a useful and standard way to refer to relative space/direction, to avoid confusion. Medial = towards the midline of the body Lateral = away from the midline of the body So, toeing in would be to rotate the speakers medially, and toeing out is rotating laterally. Also the term "toeing in" even refers to the medical condition nicknamed "in-toeing" or "pigeontoeing" where the feet naturally point medially towards each other -- very common in children.

[@gojdartamas34]

Proper speakers manual is including a istruction of instal, My Friend TAD\Pioneer and my JBL M2 has proper intructions.

[@jamesbennett1634]

Great explanation, thanks. Would it be correct to say that most speakers are designed to be listened to off-axis?

[@DearSX]

This whole time I've been taking off my shoes to listen to the Lintons 😅

[@stephenlegg262]

I have Dali Speakers. Manual says keep the speakers parallel to the wall. No toe in or out.

[@kobush18]

Thanks for explaining! But i still don't understand something. If speaker is on axis than the front plane of the speaker is is in parallel to wall behind you (in rectangular room),it means the main beam of the speaker is not to your ears butat a distance of half the length between the speakers (main energy of the sound waves is not to your ears but in offset. In order to receive the main beam of the speaker it must be aiming at you than you receive the maximum sound wave. As you described you get only the side wave of the speaker (on your term of on axis) . What i don't miss?

[@danielh12345]

This was fun to learn, thanks for the information. Ive figured out my preference for my current speakers in my desktop setup which also fire into my livingroom / kitchen through trial and error. They are basically looking forward, so toed out. One is slightly less toed out compared to the other since its very close to a wall. My tweeters which are off axis compared to the woofer are faced outwards. In my listening position at my desk the sound is best, still awesome about a meter away from it. Further away the sound is still great but imaging gets lost quite a bit, just a matter of compromises. Was all just trial and error but I get a lovely soundstage and depth. Pulling speakers forward / pushing them back helped a lot too in cleaning up the sound (mostly bass reflections I guess?) In my listening position stereo imaging is fantastic, centre sounds like it is coming from behind my pc monitors, such a cool way to enjoy music. The speakers front baffle is slightly infront of both monitors so that's obviously not possible, sounds like it though! I find it awesome how our brain processes sound and how some small DIY(kit) bookshelfs are able to produce this effect, music is so fun like this.

[@robcammell1069]

I use bipolar speakers as my two main speakers, I find this gives you a more immersive sound, I've been using them for a few years and wouldn't go back to normal speakers.

[@Saturn2888]

I crossfired speakers last time I calibrated since no one, not even me, sits in the middle of my couch (which has a crease). I used to point them all directly at the center position, but I had the same issue as you said, I heard one speaker louder than the other. I notice a slight difference, but it's not that extreme. I'm no more than 7 feet away from my fronts, so I might need a more extreme angle; not sure. Do you have any advice for people that have small rooms? My room is 11'x12' (open on the right side), and I'm very close to all my speakers (2-7') except the 3 front heights.

[@BoredErica]

What I hear is speakers and listener should form equalateral triangle, but this is never possible because speakers are to the sides of my display and I sit too close for that to be physically possible. Due to this, I have to turn my speakers inwards quite a bit to be on axis. When people talk about coaxials and listening off axis, isn't just being off axis vertically enough? If the tweeter is not ear level, that seems already like the 10 degrees I want.

[@markblock8659]

I think you're redefining what toe-in and toe-out are. That's OK, because your definition makes perfect sense, although I need to recalibrate my old brain when you talk about toe-in. I've always read that no toe-in means the speakers are pointed straight ahead, while any little amount aimed in my direction means the speakers are toed in to some degree. The thing I like about your definition is that toe-in or toe-out will change with the listening position even if the speakers aren't touched. That seems odd and unintuitive, but it correlates much better with what toe in or out will sound like; it relates to the relationship between the speakers and one's ears rather than the speakers and the room. If I move my listening chair forward a foot without adjusting the speakers, the angle to my ears might change from "toed-in" to "toe-out." It's helpful to look at it that way, as the angle to my ears will, for the most part, determine the sound quality. The angle of the speakers relative to each other, ignoring the listener's ears, is kind of irrelevant. I'm just worried that when I talk to my audiophile friends they won't understand what I'm saying. They'll just have to get on board with your definition. ;)

[@jasp3r_f]

best lesson i have learned this week. Thanks, Erin 😊

[@scottbennett3119]

Erin, I am confused with your interpretation/explanation of the terms toe-in and toe-out. It is all about toe-in. You should never be seeing the outside of the speakers. Any tilt of the speakers towards the listener is toe-in. In a regular listening setup, you will not see the outside of the speaker when the speakers are toed inward properly, you will always see the insides. Only when crossing the streams will you see the outside. I realize some people are experimenting more with crossing the streams, but this positioning is rarely used by audiophiles for long. Nearly all listeners will be using toe-in in varying degrees. If I may, I would like to share that if the speakers are farther apart, relative to your listening position, you will want more toe-in. The closer speakers are to each other, relative to the listener, the less toe-in. Keep adjusting until you get good staging and a solid center image focus.

[@lsaideOK]

How much you have to position your speakers if the one on the right has a wall about 5 ft away and the other is next to an open room?

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

That would really depend on the speaker. If it’s a narrow speaker it won’t matter quite as much as if the speaker radiation pattern is wide. Say 30 degrees vs 60 degrees, for example. You’ll possibly even find assymetrical aiming to help.

[@NosEL34]

This video is obviously helping a lot of people..which is a great thing. Majority of the time I'm always toeing out to some degree, my ears don't mind losing some of the higher end frequency or clarity so to speak. I've had really good results in the past with extreme cross firing of the tweeters, especially with bookshelves...although I think it looks kinda ridiculous set up this way. Great little video 👍

[@kewlbug]

I'm treating my room a bit like my car. Currently Have my left toed IN and right toed OUT. Left is closer to a wall, and right is open to the rest of the room. All corrected using REW. I recently tried using digital in on my 2x4HD and doing a "tune" w my unused channels. (yamaha in Pure direct) it was/is beautiful.

[@lsaideOK]

Unfortunately you said left twice

[@kewlbug]

@@lsaideOK ahh geez. thanks. Yeah I have the one by the wall in to avoid the wall, and the room side out, because I don't want that one hitting the wall either. Either way, I've found Off axis makes the speakers more transparent in most situations.

[@lsaideOK]

@@kewlbug Thanks for that info. I'm in the same situation but usually toe them both out towards my shoulders. I might try toeing the one against the wall in. One of the great things about bookshelf speakers is how easy it is to change their positions!

[@kewlbug]

@@lsaideOK note! that you may need equalization correction. This setup is certainly not ideal. everything's always a tradeoff.. Your wall speaker will have more low end that may need knocked down and the open side may need some help there. I would never claim to be doing things "right" but it's your system, so try things and have fun! Referencing Erin's video, he's right, the "sweet spot" is most certainly smaller. But the wife doesn't know the difference when she's next to me. lol

[@805alpal]

thank you, that was extremely helpful!

[@sebastiantomita5956]

So if the speaker is shooting straight ahead, is it considered to be toed out?

[@WestonWill]

Straight ahead, relative to the room (perpendicular to the rear wall) is toed out relative to the listener. Erin always speaks relative to the listener, not the room.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

Yes. And Weston is correct; the aiming is relative to the listener.

[@sebastiantomita5956]

@@WestonWill Thank you! So when, in the recent Kef R3 Meta review, he suggested toeing out the speakers, did he mean to place the speakers perpendicular to the rear wall?

[@johnyang799]

​@@sebastiantomita5956Not necessarily. In fact he mentioned 10 degress off axis. This means the speakers will face 10 degrees off from you.

[@dananskidolf]

With two speakers along the wall and listening position the same distance from each speaker as the distance between the speakers, having them like that would be a 30 degree toe-out, which is enough to affect the tone quite a lot on most speakers. Lots of reflections too.

[@bryanjones9952]

Thanks for this video. One of the few where someone give an explanation of why you might like to toe-out speakers. I have speakers that are high in the tweeter range, so I toe them out as well.

[@orangek9409]

Thanks for good and basic knowledge. Could you upload scripts for non-english people?

[@-elijahriggs-]

I love this channel so much I even watching videos I don't need to.

[@joelopez7459]

What If we have no center channel and want good coverage ...

[@rc2257]

Positioning speakers correctly has more impact on SQ than do many equipment upgrades. Toeing is part of that.

[@spuddyl9938]

Great to see you smile in the thumbnail. I hope you are well.🙂

[@chych7]

Does it matter much for wide dispersion speakers like Philharmonic BMRs?

[@yoddeb]

Please define "you". For example, is "aimed directly at you" equivalent to "aimed directly at your ear"?

[@0-60STYLE]

Bro just wear headphones at this point, pointed directly at your brain

[@Sc2God724]

I personally like mine straight out or a very slight toe in unless it's a super warm speaker then I toe them in

[@rickg8015]

Some speakers with waveguides (Geddes, and Audiokinesis, etc.) recommend severe toe-in.. Maybe you can expound on that one day, Erin.. Thanks for posting this.

[@Tendervittle]

Extreme toe-In // sounds kinky

[@BuffSquadBigBenni]

Great explanations. I crossfire my front l/r speakers for wider sweetspot for home theater use.

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

I do the same in my family room, which is also my listening room. My seat is in the sweet spot, but I moved around the room when I first setup the system with the speakers toed out a bit and found the sweet spot to be very small. Toeing them in really helped the other seats and I didn't find there to be a very large drop off in imaging/stereo effect. The tradeoff was worth it.

[@sprsk]

Back to basics ! Excellent help and info as allways

[@jaredkaye3669]

I prefer toe out. I hear a wider stereo separation and the bass response is deepened with backfiring ports angled 45 degrees from the projecting wall.

[@ABNHW]

DUDE!! how does this relate in a car? I am about to do my pillars and not finding much info.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

Same thing.

[@Joe_65]

Hi Erin, is there a measurement that determines if a speaker will handle dense music tracks well without too much distortion? I’m not an experienced audiophile, so I apologize if my question is ignorant.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

The multitone distortion test I do is a good indicator of a speaker's ability to handle complex (dense) music.

[@D800Lover]

Sorry, but I can't quite agree. For me all speakers that are not straight ahead are toed-in and I suggest to experiment with the amount of toe-in. Think about it, look down on you feet, they are normally pointing straight ahead and so are your toes. If you toe-in your feet, *_it means that they are no longer parallel._* Even when the speakers are pointed straight on axis, they are still toed-in. I have come across speakers that are designed to point straight ahead and you are advised not to toe-in. That's my take on it. I tell listeners of my designs to listen off axis, so that they can see the insides of the speakers around 15° off axis. If they want it brighter, use more toe-in until you listen fully on axis. If you want less brightness, use less toe-in. Simply do it to taste. I have been saying this for decades and it hasn't confused anybody.

[@0-60STYLE]

I point my soeakers directly in my brain, i have giant straps and wear my soeakers like headphones for best audiophile results

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

That’s gotta hurt! 😂

[@H2OFSU]

Erin, would you ever measure the SVS Ultra Towers? Or what do you think of their design with the two woofers on the the bottom for lower bass? Is there a speaker review that you have done that has a similar design to see how the data would look?

[@0-60STYLE]

Ship him one and he will

[@0-60STYLE]

But shipping towers is a lil pricyyyy

[@jasonkillsformomy]

It's a hassle to measure floor standers because of their weight. It doesn't matter where the woofers are on speakers. The reason for the woofers placement in the SVS Ultra towers, Kef Blades, some subs and so on is because the speaker can be narrower. And usually when two woofers are firing against each others it will cause less cabinet vibration, but that's nit picking. Most manufacturers who does it do it because of design choice because it's a trend nowadays to have narrower speakers.

[@0-60STYLE]

@@jasonkillsformomy I on the other hand am dying for a budget tower with a couple of 10" drivers... A few good 8" options out there, but nothing with 10

[@jasonkillsformomy]

@@0-60STYLE Forget towers and buy stand mount speakers and one or preferable two cheap subs. Much better option.

[@r423fplip]

Are those the Revel 126 Be speakers.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

They are.

[@r423fplip]

Are you going to measure these speakers Erin ?

[@mikegoddard7354]

I had a question about the kef R8A dolby speakers, you posted a written review. It says to point it 30 degrees off axis to smooth the driver out. However as it is one driver do you suggest placing them flat on the wall aligned with the F and R? only confused cause dolby atmos speakers aren't typically set up like stereo speakers. Do you mean toe them out? Place them flush against the wall? can I point it down or up 30 degrees instead?

[@douglasholmes7581]

Hold on friend. First , he mentions a bump in the high frequency. But this is his experience in test conditions. Do your Atmos speakers smear highs? If so you could "toe out" but that would be difficult with a speaker that mounts flat against the wall. I suggest you turn eq the 🔊 or turn down the treble a little. I have my Atmos speakers (not Kef) mounted on top of the mains, reflecting off the ceiling. Gives a large soundstage. Any questions?

[@douglasholmes7581]

Also if your speakers are wall mounted, they should be outside of the main speaker position .

[@alexw890]

I usually toe out. I’ve never tried toe in. Maybe I will try it…thanks Erin

[@sifi36]

I feel like this video is a direct result of my comment on your R3 Meta video 🤦🏾 Thank you for the clarification!

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

You definitely weren’t the only one to ask.

[@rikardekvall3433]

Great Erin, you do rock. Talking about toe in and out. On the the right foot, the toe is on the left side.😉

[@briansmith4241]

Erin, I have Revel 228Be speakers. What toe-in or lack thereof, would you recommend?

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

They’re designed to be listened to on-axis, I believe.

[@Natan9000]

I’ve always read and learned toed in and out exactly opposite 😅

[@0-60STYLE]

Hey Erin you should set up a youtube membership thing like Andrew's channel

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

Hmm. I’ll look into it. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@rrchannel2464]

Have you thought of toeing in at about 150 degrees-- isnt that the configuration of human ears? I listen at about 4 1/2 ' ... Are you a Mono or stereo guy?

[@kc6575]

What device are you using to spin that speaker either way? Thank you.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

amzn.to/44ePWb5 It’s called a “lazy Susan”. They come in different sizes and weight capacity. If you’re looking to use it for speakers then you’ll want a heavy duty one.

[@kc6575]

@@ErinsAudioCorner thank you! This would be convenient for me. Sometimes it’s just me in the house where I’d want that “sweet” axis.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

​@@kc6575 I wouldn't recommend using a lazy Susan for listening purposes

[@RadekPilich]

I have never seen toed out pair of speakers 😮 Although I can see how it can make sense both to uneducated logic as well as to real acoustics, for example of you have wide room and very narrow speaker distance, you know like a stereo boombox.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

That’s wild. Most speakers are designed to be listened to directly on axis. It’s very interesting to me to hear that people are not aware of this. I think it just means that manufacturers do a very bad job of telling people how to listen to their speakers.

[@marcparsons1726]

Easy but not??

[@zefrog7482]

Great stuff as usual, no nonsense, just killer advice.🙂

[@IrenESorius]

👍⭐‍‍👍‍‍

[@DougMen1]

You shouldn't say toe out because that's a misleading statement. You should say firing direct into the room, parallel to the wall behind the speakers and the wall behind the listener, which is how we always setup our speakers in the old days, and is still how you'll see them at trade shows, in dealer showrooms, and in YT videos from high end dealers like Sound Sommelier, Alpha Audio, and Kenrick Sound. I never see any experts set up speakers with them toed in at all. Toe in, where they're angled in to point the tweeters directly at your ears, is something that came about very recently, and seems to be a product of the "instant internet experts", as a result of poorly designed speakers that have poor horizontal dispersion and poor power response in the room, and so that's a stupid way to try to fix a larger problem with poorly designed speakers/crossovers, and which locks your head into a vice to get a solid center image, but will drift if you move your head even an inch or two in many cases, and limits soundstage width and depth, as well as making the high end too bright and peaky in moist cases. If I use ANY toe in at all, it's very very little, maybe a few degrees at most.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

The overwhelming majority of speakers are designed to be listened to on-axis. This isn’t new.

[@shipsahoy1793]

The fact that you actually have to explain this shows a severe lack of audio awareness. It would be very humorous if it wasn’t so sad.

[@stevenoconnor5693]

I don’t deem it as audio awareness as it is trying to go for “your audio perfection“ it’s good that people actually explain this because it is amazing. How many people don’t get it

[@shipsahoy1793]

@@stevenoconnor5693 👍you're right!.. it is amazing, because we instinctively knew this 50 years ago just by sheer observation ..I guess that's what we used to call common sense..😉

[@Douglas_Blake_579]

Sad day when you have to spend 6 minutes explaining 2 simple terms... to people who claim to be experts.

[@steven2809]

Sorry ... just wrong...😖

[@burton7023]

I have polk lsim 703 not a bright speaker by any means but they have much better sound stage and center image pointing straight out